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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I was reading the comments of eurogenes, and apparently Davidski has seen the paper. While I take strong exception to the interpretation that he presents for the paper (recalling his claim of ABA "being just a few sailors" for Raveane et al); it seems the leaked PCA is in fact part of the Moots paper.
    His modus operandi is to somehow get hold of unpublished papers and to then put out his own spin on the contents in order to try to mold perception of it. It's a common public relations ploy. He's done it with a lot of papers and with his own blogs as well: put out something outrageous and count on the fact that most people won't read the whole thing and realize the heading is a distorted view.

    I don't read his blog, so I don't know what he's saying this week, but I can tell you that anyone who thinks they're getting unvarnished truth from him is a few Fridays short a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I was reading the comments of eurogenes, and apparently Davidski has seen the paper. While I take strong exception to the interpretation that he presents for the paper (recalling his claim of ABA "being just a few sailors" for Raveane et al); it seems the leaked PCA is in fact part of the Moots paper.

    Are we talking about this leaked PCA? This PCA is contradictory to the rumors about the Romans analyzed by Moots. That Stanford analyzed the Etruscans is absolutely probable, since they have already done so at least 4 years ago.




    This PCA is 4 years old and the three Etruscans were analyzed just by Stanford.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Are we talking about this leaked PCA? This PCA is contradictory to the rumors about the Romans analyzed by Moots. That Stanford analyzed the Etruscans is absolutely probable, since they have already done so at least 4 years ago.




    This PCA is 4 years old and the three Etruscans were analyzed just by Stanford.


    My assumption is based on this post he made in the R1a comments:

    Davidski:
    @zardos

    Yeah, the abstract describes pretty well the results that I've seen from the paper.

    Expect a lot of the Romans to cluster well south of the early Italic individuals, even from south central Italy (Samnites), and basically among modern Cretans, Sicilians and Cypriots. Quite a few of the Romans, especially the late ones, also cluster with Middle Eastern groups.

    The one thing I don't get is why so few of the Romans overlap with Mycenaeans. Most of them are shifted east/northeast compared to Mycenaeans, and so overlap strongly with modern Greeks. But of course modern Greeks have a lot of Slavic ancestry.

    I'm hoping that the paper explains this in some detail, instead of simply claiming that many Romans were of Greek descent because they cluster with modern Greeks.

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    https://eventpilotadmin.com/web/page...19&id=20303061

    October 16th they will be having the poster session.

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    Here is another one they are doing:

    PgmNr 2304: Exploring health, disease, and diet in Ancient Rome through paleogenomics.

    https://eventpilotadmin.com/web/page...G19&id=1923459

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here is another one they are doing:

    PgmNr 2304: Exploring health, disease, and diet in Ancient Rome through paleogenomics.

    https://eventpilotadmin.com/web/page...G19&id=1923459
    Good to see they did isotope analysis.

    As for the genetics paper, I would have expected more from a paper supervised by Pinhasi.

    My major objection stands: analyzing the inhabitants of a port and the capital of an international empire is not the way of going about investigating the genetic history of a people. If you want to examine the disparate inhabitants of a "global" city in the heydey of its empire, great. If you want to investigate the prehistory of a people, great. Don't make a mishmash by combining the two.

    It almost seems as if they're surprised that the population was heterogeneous. Is New York homogeneous genetically? Is Paris? Is London? Is Rio, even after hundreds of years? What would be the reaction of geneticists digging in NYC in 4019? I think it might be the same. New York is heterogeneous because the level of intermarriage between Asians and whites or blacks and whites is small. It happens, but far less often than the media might have you believe, and the studies document it.

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    Especially since the population of Rome dropped down to a mere 30,000. The urban centers were de-populated, and these exotic populations were not supplemented with continuous waves of migration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Especially since the population of Rome dropped down to a mere 30,000. The urban centers were de-populated, and these exotic populations were not supplemented with continuous waves of migration.
    We have to wait to see if the paper confirms it, but one of the leaks floating around stated that the "signal", i.e. samples from the Levant disappeared. The dates would have to be examined. Rome had an ancient Jewish population. At one point all Jews were exiled. Might that explain the disappearance of that "signal"? Or might it have something to do with the arrival and then departure of people from the Levant fleeing the revolts or fleeing the repercussions? There's a lot we don't know about that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    We have to wait to see if the paper confirms it, but one of the leaks floating around stated that the "signal", i.e. samples from the Levant disappeared. The dates would have to be examined. Rome had an ancient Jewish population. At one point all Jews were exiled. Might that explain the disappearance of that "signal"? Or might it have something to do with the arrival and then departure of people from the Levant fleeing the revolts or fleeing the repercussions? There's a lot we don't know about that period.
    Like NYC or Paris or London, it absolutely wasn't a melting pot. Rather, it was more like a stew! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Also Sardinia which gets Iran-like ancestry in late antiquity, and IA.
    I don't see how that would support the hypothesis of a prehistoric migration from Anatolia to Mainland Italy or Sardinia during the bronze age considering that's a sample from the Late Punic/Early Roman period not an early iron age sample, so a sample dating to a period when Phoenicians and North Africans had been living in Sardinia for several centuries, and when Romans and other Italics were also starting to settle.
    The site where that sample comes from became in fact a Roman colony. The other samples were from Caralis and the context is not really clear, apparently they are dated to the Late antiquity period and during antiquity Caralis had been for centuries one of the bases of the Roman imperial fleet, in fact in Caralis there are cemeteries of sailors from all nationalities including people of Egyptian, Syrian and Dacian descent. There are late bronze age samples from Sardinia dating to the last few centuries of the second millennium bc both from the study you mentioned and the other one which was published in the same month and the samples from both of those studies lack Iran N ancestry.

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    OK, not Sardinia in the Bronze Age.

    Are you willing to wager that "Iranian like" ancestry was present in Sicily in the middle Bronze Age but not right across the straits in, say, Calabria, or Apulia, where you can see the land across the Adriatic Sea???

    Please see:
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...+Mediterranean

    " In Sicily, Iranian-related ancestry also arrived by the Middle Bronze Age, thus revealing that this ancestry type, which was ubiquitous in the Aegean by this time, also spread further west prior to the classical period of Greek expansion."

    We discuss the paper at length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pygmalion View Post
    I don't see how that would support the hypothesis of a prehistoric migration from Anatolia to Mainland Italy or Sardinia during the bronze age considering that's a sample from the Late Punic/Early Roman period not an early iron age sample, so a sample dating to a period when Phoenicians and North Africans had been living in Sardinia for several centuries, and when Romans and other Italics were also starting to settle.
    The site where that sample comes from became in fact a Roman colony. The other samples were from Caralis and the context is not really clear, apparently they are dated to the Late antiquity period and during antiquity Caralis had been for centuries one of the bases of the Roman imperial fleet, in fact in Caralis there are cemeteries of sailors from all nationalities including people of Egyptian, Syrian and Dacian descent. There are late bronze age samples from Sardinia dating to the last few centuries of the second millennium bc both from the study you mentioned and the other one which was published in the same month and the samples from both of those studies lack Iran N ancestry.
    Hence the time periods I mentioned in the quote you made of me. Also, the quote from the paper that Angela provided is point I was making. If it was verified in Sicily, I would strongly suggest it was also in the mainland, especially the south, where it is most strongly detected in modern populations.

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    FYI

    I have written Moots about the abstract, and inquired about the Anatolian Bronze-Age-like ancestry, and this was her response to my inquiry:

    Thank you for your email. Yes, that is an abstract one of my colleagues submitted for a poster at an upcoming conference (the American Society of Human Genomics).

    Most of our data is from the last 3,000 years, so the project focuses more on the genetics of the rise and fall of the Roman Empire more than the prehistoric transitions.

    We collaborate with some of the people on the Raveane paper, their work is really impressive.

    Looking forward to being about to share our results, hopefully soon!


    All the best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    FYI

    I have written Moots about the abstract, and inquired about the Anatolian Bronze-Age-like ancestry, and this was her response to my inquiry:

    Thank you for your email. Yes, that is an abstract one of my colleagues submitted for a poster at an upcoming conference (the American Society of Human Genomics).

    Most of our data is from the last 3,000 years, so the project focuses more on the genetics of the rise and fall of the Roman Empire more than the prehistoric transitions.

    We collaborate with some of the people on the Raveane paper, their work is really impressive.

    Looking forward to being about to share our results, hopefully soon!


    All the best,
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    IMO it is about 3000 years ago when Italic speaking tribes entered Italy.
    I wonder whether we'll get a glance at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    FYI

    I have written Moots about the abstract, and inquired about the Anatolian Bronze-Age-like ancestry, and this was her response to my inquiry:

    Thank you for your email. Yes, that is an abstract one of my colleagues submitted for a poster at an upcoming conference (the American Society of Human Genomics).

    Most of our data is from the last 3,000 years, so the project focuses more on the genetics of the rise and fall of the Roman Empire more than the prehistoric transitions.

    We collaborate with some of the people on the Raveane paper, their work is really impressive.

    Looking forward to being about to share our results, hopefully soon!


    All the best,
    Hannah
    Well, if they wanted to show the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, why go back 12,000 years for a sample, and why include samples from the early Bronze Age at all?

    It just confuses the whole picture, especially if you don't also include the later Bronze Age and Iron Age, and other areas of Italy.

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    https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1184555324289757184

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    My assumption is based on this post he made in the R1a comments:
    Davidski:
    @zardos

    Yeah, the abstract describes pretty well the results that I've seen from the paper.

    Expect a lot of the Romans to cluster well south of the early Italic individuals, even from south central Italy (Samnites), and basically among modern Cretans, Sicilians and Cypriots. Quite a few of the Romans, especially the late ones, also cluster with Middle Eastern groups.

    The one thing I don't get is why so few of the Romans overlap with Mycenaeans. Most of them are shifted east/northeast compared to Mycenaeans, and so overlap strongly with modern Greeks. But of course modern Greeks have a lot of Slavic ancestry.

    I'm hoping that the paper explains this in some detail, instead of simply claiming that many Romans were of Greek descent because they cluster with modern Greeks.
    It's stuff like this that makes me ignore autosomal interpretations. Everything is simplified to an extend that it sounds stupid. Everything North-Eastern is Slavic and everything North-Western is Celtic.

    Thank God nobody said ancient Romans were ancient Greeks with a bit of Slavic in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1184555324289757184

    "This tweet is unavailable". What happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    "This tweet is unavailable". What happened?
    I think that might be a twitter user that replied, who has their account set to private. I don't have a twitter account to log-in to, however, to see.

    I took the screen shot 5 mins after it was posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I think that might be a twitter user that replied, who has their account set to private. I don't have a twitter account to log-in to, however, to see.

    I took the screen shot 5 mins after it was posted.
    New Link: just a comment.

    https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status...289757184?s=21

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    but where is the link to the paper ?
    or razib just posted the words
    ancient rome 2358 poster wow

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    Wow it's great or wow it's stupid?

    If it's the former, I beg leave to doubt.

    Interpretation is everything, and this group of young people seems to know nothing of ancient history. It might as well have been done by the "experts" at anthrogenica. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    but where is the link to the paper ?
    or razib just posted the words
    ancient rome 2358 poster wow

    There's no paper yet.


    There are only, I presume, the poster of the paper and the abstract.

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    He was probably browsing a forum like this, and He was surprised by the number of people who are interested in Ancient Rome ....

    that’s it.

    edit: we’re obviously way better than the others :)

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    Razib's post saying "wow" without showing a picture of the poster or hinting what's on it is a bad sign
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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