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    Arrow New EHG / ANE map (Eastern Hunter Gatherers / Ancient North Eurasians)

    EHG (Eastern Hunter Gatherers) and West_Siberian_HG (WSHG) derive from ANE (Ancestral North Eurasian).
    ANE derives from ANS (Ancient North Siberian).



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    This map describes the Eastern Hunter Gatherers in the context of Eurasian Paleogenetics and is primarily based on the autosomal dataset of 11 highly actual studies:
    1. https://scholar.harvard.edu/vagheesh...d-central-asia
    2. https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../6396/eaar7711
    3. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19310
    4. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1
    5. https://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886
    6. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02825-9
    7. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28757201
    8. https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.2003703
    9. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/448829v1
    10. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29900529
    11. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30415837


    Haplogroup dataset is partially obtained from:


    1. http://homeland.ku.dk/
    2. http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/~mcdonald/ge...nt-revised.pdf


    The main information corpus is taken from Damgaard et al. (2018) and Narasimhan et al. (2018). A detailed description with additional references will follow. The WSHG ancestry type existed in the southern Steppe and in Turan since at least 4000 BC and formed about 80% of the ancestry of an early 3rd millennium BC agro-pastoralist from Dali, Kazakhstan. It further contributed to multiple outlier individuals from 2nd millennium sites in Kazakhstan and Turan. While Narasimhan (2018) ascribes the origins of Central Asian Steppe pastoralist ancestry in South Asia to the 2nd millennium BC, the study of Damgaard (2018) traces this influence likely to a time long predateding any development of Iranian and Indo-Aryan languages, and most likely occurred during the time period of ca. 2800–2300 BC and even earlier during the Eneolithic from Kelteminar culture groups (4000–3500 BC).

    The Native American population movements are well described in Posth et al. (2018) and earlier studies: Bortolini et al. (2003), Balter et al. (2013), Raghavan et al. (2014).

    LEGEND:

    • WHG = West European Hunter-Gatherer
    • CHG = Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
    • WSHG = West Siberian Hunter-Gatherer
    • SHG = Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherer
    • BLN = Baltic Late Neolithic
    • EHG = Eastern Hunter-Gatherer
    • ANE = Ancient North Eurasian
    • ANS = Ancient North Siberian
    • ANI-ASI = Ancestral North- and South Indian
    • ENF/EEF = Early Neolithic Farmer / Early European Farmer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpakut View Post

    The main information corpus is taken from Damgaard et al. (2018) and Narasimhan et al. (2018). A detailed description with additional references will follow. The WSHG ancestry type existed in the southern Steppe and in Turan since at least 4000 BC and formed about 80% of the ancestry of an early 3rd millennium BC agro-pastoralist from Dali, Kazakhstan.
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    First question, How is Yamna/afanasievo related with WSHG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    First question, How is Yamna/afanasievo related with WSHG?
    WSHG is made of the same EHG component. But currently, we don't know, because it looks like we are dealing with an additional Native American genetic cline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpakut View Post
    It is interesting that my reputation points changed into red after this post. Seems I have triggered the Indo-European brain cancer topic ;D
    2nd question: Does tarim mummies have Z93, not M17?

    Moreover, I don't think their boat-shaped coffin culture is related with andronovo at all. Androvo culture was already in tarim basin around 2,500bc.

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    These R1b are also related-Vucedol and Afansievo,


    Yamnaya and Afanasievo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Yamnaya and Afanasievo
    Early Yamnaya genetic cline: (Steppe EMBA)


    Early CHG genetic cline: (Steppe Maykop, Hatti) <- here is the additional (but unknown) Native American component. These CHG people alsos stormed over the central steppes during the Namazga epoch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    2nd question: Does tarim mummies have Z93, not M17?

    Moreover, I don't think their boat-shaped coffin culture is related with andronovo at all. Androvo culture was already in tarim basin around 2,500bc.
    If we believe indo-european.eu Tarim harboured R1a Z93 (most likely linked to Steppe_MLBA). Chinese scientists also found R1b in Tarim mummies. They tried to link it with Indo-Europeans because of high Celtic R1b values in Europe. It seems, for Chinese scientists, the Turks do not exist either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpakut View Post
    If we believe indo-european.eu Tarim harboured R1a Z93 (most likely linked to Steppe_MLBA). Chinese scientists also found R1b in Tarim mummies. They tried to link it with Indo-Europeans because of high Celtic R1b values in Europe. It seems, for Chinese scientists, the Turks do not exist either.
    I don't want to engage political, best to be neutral.
    To me there are many pieces to the puzzel. Each one has a story to tell. Like Xiahoe R1a-93 mummies. Or R1b-Z2109+ Afansievo kurgans. What I can surmise from Chinese men[type ydna O clans?] are just as interested in exploring their genetics and sciences/archeological history like any other group proud of their history. The difference being perhaps accomplishing a social harmony. You have an interesting ydna line.
    Any idea how your particular branch of ydna L1b made history on the steppe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    You have an interesting ydna line.
    Any idea how your particular branch of ydna L1b made history on the steppe?
    Interesting question. It is worth mentioning the Dolgan E-M35 (40%) in far north-east Siberia. I think the answers to both questions are very likely the same. But L1b has a story of its own. L1 was also found in Maykop samples. I personally think that my line was always part of the steppe. According to the research of my grandpa, my family line is of prominent Göktürk-Ashina origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpakut View Post
    If we believe indo-european.eu Tarim harboured R1a Z93 (most likely linked to Steppe_MLBA). Chinese scientists also found R1b in Tarim mummies. They tried to link it with Indo-Europeans because of high Celtic R1b values in Europe. It seems, for Chinese scientists, the Turks do not exist either.
    Third question: Does andronov in the map mean Alakul (samples around 1,800bc)?

    If the mummies had z93, it would be connected to east andronovo zevakinskiy-BA [the oldest example of R1a in ancient DNA from Central Asia which is dated to 2132-1940 calBCE (ID I3770, Narasimhan 2019)]

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