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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post


    Hi Duarte.


    If you can lend me a hand and shed some light on this graphic. The yellow is me, it is still in process but until today it is the estimate.
    Hi dear friend Carlos.


    First of all is need to say that TMRCA it's defined as the time to most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) estimate and are given based on DNA test results and established mutation rates as practiced in genetic genealogy. Simply put, it would be the estimate average haplogroup age.


    As I could not accurately visualize the numbers above the lines of your chart I will use my result as an example.




    The dark (gray) line is my haplogroup's estimated average age (possibly born 3,700 years before the present, ie, 3,700 ybp).


    The red line establishes an interval for possible average age of my haplogroup, which can range from 4600 ybp to 2900 ybp.


    Cheers.

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    Merci beaucoup


    Let's see now if it looks clearer, I don't know why the hell it looks blurry.


    Mine is BY7449 *, below there are two more subclades and there is a step where they come together as if it were a puzzle piece, I don't know who they are, but we must have something to do.


    In the window (i) says: Ci95% 7100> <4700ybp for BY7449 *

    10 years of struggle to conquer the truth and what your interior dictates against tidal wind and any forecast, wrong as can be seen. LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post



    Merci beaucoup


    Let's see now if it looks clearer, I don't know why the hell it looks blurry.


    Mine is BY7449 *, below there are two more subclades and there is a step where they come together as if it were a puzzle piece, I don't know who they are, but we must have something to do.


    In the window (i) says: Ci95% 7100> <4700ybp for BY7449 *

    10 years of struggle to conquer the truth and what your interior dictates against tidal wind and any forecast, wrong as can be seen. LOL

    Hi Carlos.
    il n'y a pas de quoi.
    It seems that by classifying his haplogroup as E-BY7449 *, Yfull is saying that this is uncertain, that is, there may still be change. The only certainty is that there is a Dutchman stuck on you all the time. LOL. :)




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    The thing is like that now.


    The Dutchman is the most pleasant and the only one who answers me to the messages, but he is stubborn in a Spanish origin and in turn of a Phoenician. But my father's family tells me that we come from a deserter of Napoleon's troops.


    Someone of confidence has told me that they are not Askenazis, I really don't get asquenazi results, so in the first order. Apparently one of the Poles is from the nobility and descends from Scotland.


    Someone of them has answered me, has 25 years of research perto not loose fly, very typical of the E-V22 specialists in E-V22, here I send greetings and that they do very well and take advantage of them, I do not need them and For the glory of my mother I will know the whole truth even if it takes 20 more years.


    The Dutchman wants to make me Phoenician, I do not feel Arabic, or Jewish, or Phoenician, I am sorry but it is so. I wonder at what time the rest of Europeans forgot that Spain is a European country with which they have maintained close relations throughout history forgetting and obsessing with the Alhambra and failing with the Phoenicians.


    Everyone here says what they think about Spain and if it is Andalusia I do not even tell you ..., because now I say that I am a Jázaro.

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    Now up again. I am in contact with a genealogist and could prove that I am descended from a deserter of Napoleon's troops. What in those troops could there be many nationalities? Yes, but surely there was no Phoenician from Andalusia y olé. So be careful with the movements because I am following them closely.This topic is already public.


    -------------------------------------------------------
    Post independent topic
    Keep putting Andalusia 0.00% WHG
    Last edited by Carlos; 27-12-19 at 12:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    The Dutchman wants to make me Phoenician, I do not feel Arabic, or Jewish, or Phoenician, I am sorry but it is so. I wonder at what time the rest of Europeans forgot that Spain is a European country with which they have maintained close relations throughout history forgetting and obsessing with the Alhambra and failing with the Phoenicians.


    Everyone here says what they think about Spain and if it is Andalusia I do not even tell you ..., because now I say that I am a Jázaro.
    It could be worse and have the clade of a possible Subsaharian slave or eunuch like mine, I would prefer the Phoenician.

    I have no problem with it, but I expected to find myself being a direct descendant of Thor or Superman. Lol.

    Sorry for the spam and have your luck with the search

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post


    Now up again. I am in contact with a genealogist and could prove that I am descended from a deserter of Napoleon's troops. What in those troops could there be many nationalities? Yes, but surely there was no Phoenician from Andalusia y olé. So be careful with the movements because I am following them closely.This topic is already public.

    Keep putting Andalusia 0.00% WHG
    Dear Carlos. To say that there is no WHG in Iberia is a gross mistake, I think . I know this bar chart pointing 0% WHG in Spain I think that is not correct. FTDNA says I'm 37% WHG, and look I'm not 100% European ;)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Dear Carlos. To say that there is no WHG in Iberia is a gross mistake, I think . I know this bar chart pointing 0% WHG in Spain I think that is not correct. FTDNA says I'm 37% WHG, and look I'm not 100% European ;)
    6% Metal Age Invader, 58% Farmer, 36% Hunter-Gatherer, 0% non-European.

    They are very similar to mine, but Davidski coordinates grant me a Sub-Saharan and North-African components.

    Target: Juan_scaled
    Distance: 4.7970% / 0.04797037
    Aggregated
    55.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    10.0 WHG
    4.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian
    1.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    1.2 Gambian
    0.6 Han

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dou View Post
    6% Metal Age Invader, 58% Farmer, 36% Hunter-Gatherer, 0% non-European.

    They are very similar to mine, but Davidski coordinates grant me a Sub-Saharan and North-African components.

    Target: Juan_scaled
    Distance: 4.7970% / 0.04797037
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    55.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    10.0 WHG
    4.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian
    1.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    1.2 Gambian
    0.6 Han
    Nice results Dou :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dou View Post
    It could be worse and have the clade of a possible Subsaharian slave or eunuch like mine, I would prefer the Phoenician.

    I have no problem with it, but I expected to find myself being a direct descendant of Thor or Superman. Lol.

    Sorry for the spam and have your luck with the search
    It makes me want to strangle someone. LOL


    We'll see. The Dutchman lives in the dream of Spanish thirds in Holland. A study has been done and nothing at all.


    If I still be adding, I doubt it. The Dutchman and I shared an ancestor from the year 1400.

    We'll see. The Dutchman lives in the dream of Spanish thirds in Holland. A study has been done and nothing at all.


    If I still be adding, I doubt it. The Dutchman and I shared an ancestor from the year 1400.


    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holanda

    Later, West Frisia was conquered and, as a result, most regional institutions referred to Holland and West Frisia as a single unit. At the same time, armed confrontations took place and followed each other until Jacqueline I, countess of Henao, was forced to cede all her possessions, including Holland, to her cousin Felipe III of Burgundy, known as Felipe the Good, in 1432.

    As a result, Holland became part of the Burgundy Netherlands, and later, in 1477, it became part of the Seventeen Habsburg Provinces. In the 16th century, the county became the most densely urbanized European region, with the majority of the population living in large cities. In the Burgundy Netherlands, Holland was the dominant region of the north; Holland's political influence largely determined Burgundian dominance over the area.

    My paternal family assures that by father line DnaY we come from a French soldier defector of Napoleon's troops who changed his last name. (It may well have been a soldier or a military nobleman, that's right now)


    It is what I have to date.

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    Merry Christmas to all. Duarte and company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    It makes me want to strangle someone. LOL


    We'll see. The Dutchman lives in the dream of Spanish thirds in Holland. A study has been done and nothing at all.


    If I still be adding, I doubt it. The Dutchman and I shared an ancestor from the year 1400.

    We'll see. The Dutchman lives in the dream of Spanish thirds in Holland. A study has been done and nothing at all.


    If I still be adding, I doubt it. The Dutchman and I shared an ancestor from the year 1400.


    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holanda

    Later, West Frisia was conquered and, as a result, most regional institutions referred to Holland and West Frisia as a single unit. At the same time, armed confrontations took place and followed each other until Jacqueline I, countess of Henao, was forced to cede all her possessions, including Holland, to her cousin Felipe III of Burgundy, known as Felipe the Good, in 1432.

    As a result, Holland became part of the Burgundy Netherlands, and later, in 1477, it became part of the Seventeen Habsburg Provinces. In the 16th century, the county became the most densely urbanized European region, with the majority of the population living in large cities. In the Burgundy Netherlands, Holland was the dominant region of the north; Holland's political influence largely determined Burgundian dominance over the area.

    My paternal family assures that by father line DnaY we come from a French soldier defector of Napoleon's troops who changed his last name. (It may well have been a soldier or a military nobleman, that's right now)


    It is what I have to date.

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    Merry Christmas to all. Duarte and company.
    Thanks Carlos. Best wishes to you, DOU and everybody :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by haidahai View Post
    Duarte and Carlos, Did you find something new with Big Y, or others with whom you shared a recent ancestor with?
    Hi haidahai.
    I think the post below answers part of your question. I have a mach Y with a man from Cordoba, Spain. I have no intention of contacting him, for now.
    Hugs and Happy New Year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    In both, Big Y and Yfull, I form a terminal clade of haplogroup R1b-DF27 with a Cordoba Spanish: R-FGC35133.

    According to a message sent by the FTDNA Project Administrator DF27, in a few days he would reposition me, putting us together in a new subclade: R-Y54249. See message below:


    "Duarte,

    Project R DF27 and Subclades. R1b-DF27 Subclades Project: DF27+ ZZ12+ Z195+ Z198+ Z209+

    Congrats on the new results. I've taken a quick peek at your private mutations and one of the males who was already on the FGC35133 branch. You and he match with at least one private mutation, meaning that you and he will form a NEW downstream branch:

    BY25634>FGC35133>Y54249

    (I will get you moved in the next few days)

    This male is only sitting at Y500 and would likely share some more private mutations with you found in the new Y700 region. In fact, you appear to be the ONLY male in this entire branch of the DF27 tree with new Y700 results compared to the older version."


    However, this has not been done to date by the FTDNA, but Yfull has already advanced the FTDNA and has grouped us into a new subclade containing the SNP FGC35133: R-Y45921 (Y45921 * Y53021 * Y54249 Y55210 * Y56488 * Y111390 * FGC35133).


    It is a young clade, that appears to have emerged at 680 BCE (TMRCA 2700 ybp)


    Below are illustrative images:





    Last edited by Duarte; 27-12-19 at 20:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haidahai View Post
    Duarte and Carlos, Did you find something new with Big Y, or others with whom you shared a recent ancestor with?
    My results are higher.

    Since you have mixed several themes as you always like to do. These are my results; although in other calculators he also obtained CHG.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Thanks Carlos. Best wishes to you, DOU and everybody :)
    Same to you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by haidahai View Post
    Thanks Carlos. I was referring to the haplogroup inheritance.
    Yes I know and I replied that they were above the post.

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    Deep research

    We'll see. I have obtained this map where my knot appears








    If that map is real in the Mesolithic it was already in Europe.

    Here the E-BY7503 downstream of mine takes a pole vault and is situated in medieval times above. What could have been my jump to the continental zone? It must have been before medieval times because I hardly get results from Greece, I get more results from the Balkans and from Rome, also Gauls and Iberia for granted. I am next to a Dutchman but seeing this map the Dutchman's hypothesis of coming from a soldier of the Spanish thirds perhaps a Phoenician who lived in Andalusia becomes unfeasible. It has to be another way.



    The E of my haplogroup wheel are these:

    E1b1b1a1b1 - Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
    E1b1b1a1b1a - Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
    E1b1b1b1a1 - Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
    E1b1b1a1b1a - Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia
    E1b1b1a - Early Medieval Iberia Granada
    E1b1b1b1a1 - Medieval Taifa of Valencia
    E-V13 - Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
    E1b - Medieval Tyrolian

    Mine is E1b1b1a1c

    In imputed I have
    E1b1a1 - Moor Cordoba Caliphat
    E1b1b1a1b1a - Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
    E1b1b1b1a - Guanche Canary Islands
    E1b - Medieval Tyrolian
    E1b1b1b1a1 - Guanche Canary Islands
    E1b1b1a - Early Medieval Iberia Granada
    E1b1b1b1a1 - Medieval Taifa of Valencia
    E1b1b1b1a1 - Guanche Cana
    E1b1b1b1a1 - Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
    E1b1b1 - Kenya Kokurmatakore PIA
    E1b - Hellenic Roman / Cretan

    Neolithic

    7. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499 -
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    9. Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany (2385 BC) ..... 10.35 - UNTA58_68Sk1 -
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    35. Celtiberian Mix Tribe Northern Spain (2300 BC) ..... 13.49 - I3238 -
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    49. Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury (2300 BC) ..... 14.27 - I2416-BB -
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    99
    % match vs all users


    84. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 15.96 - Niedertiefenbach1 - ?
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    99
    % match vs all users


    100. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 16.7 - Niedertiefenbach20
    Top
    99
    % match vs all users


    136. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 18.61 - Niedertiefenbach27 - ?
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    99
    % match vs all users


    147. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 19.0 - Niedertiefenbach37 - ?
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    99
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    151. Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany (2273 BC) ..... 19.28 - UNTA85_1343 -
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    42
    % match vs all users


    167. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 20.61 - Niedertiefenbach33 - ?
    Top
    99
    % match vs all users


    Early Bronze Age


    14. High Status Male Haunstetten (2059 BC) ..... 11.38 - POST_44 -
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    99
    % match vs all users


    24. North Alpine Bronze Age (1677 BC) ..... 12.2 - AITI_98 -
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    99
    % match vs all users


    28. North Alpine Bronze Age (1794 BC) ..... 12.9 - AITI_43 -
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    98
    % match vs all users


    44. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.01 - I4331 -
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    94
    % match vs all users


    47. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.25 - I4332 -
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    95
    % match vs all users


    51. High Status Burial Mound Haunstetten (2112 BC) ..... 14.38 - POST_50 -
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    99
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    52. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1563 BC) ..... 14.42 - OTTM_151ind2 -
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    98
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    54. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66 -
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    99
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    64. North Alpine Bronze Age (1752 BC) ..... 14.69 - AITI_120 -
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    84
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    68. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 -
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    99
    % match vs all users


    As older results I have these but it is autosomal.
    And the DNA of many of them is unknown. If the E-BY7503 that is downstream of mine made the jump to the continent in medieval times I am upstream I jumped before.

    My god why didn't you make me smarter lol


    Well, I have no idea, I hope they solve it now because there are clues to know now.

    Well, if the super mega experts still don't know how I would know.
    Last edited by Carlos; 28-12-19 at 22:36.

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    ^^
    Man, don't be like that. Angela is one of the fairest moderators there have been here. Focus a little and stop worrying about what others think of you. What interests me now is to find out the path of my haplogroup Ydna. Where, how, when and why.

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    The E-V22 we want calculators we do not believe what you have always told us. So far we have arrived, the clamor is already heard on the networks.

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    I am Juan in the tree. From Juan I observe two paths to the left, right that somehow coincide or have coherence with the DNA and mtDNA maps. Where the DNA map stops over southern Greece, the graph continues until it reaches Juan.






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    This is my situation in Yfull with a Dutchman from the OV region.
    My partner, I think he has always believed to be a descendant of a Spanish balance of thirds in Holland but I have an oral tradition by a father's family to descend from a deserter of Napoléon's troops, according to my French family, the troops that were in Montejaque Ronda were Franco-Polish, this is a difficult fact to date for different reasons.


    The region of my Dutch companion in the year 1400 was under domination of Burgundy and curiously in these results I find that region like others in France.






    This is my situation in Yfull with a Dutchman from the OV region.
    My partner, I think he has always believed to be a descendant of a Spanish balance of thirds in Holland but I have an oral tradition by a father's family to descend from a deserter of Napoléon's troops, according to my French family, the troops that were in Montejaque Ronda were Franco-Polish, this is a difficult fact to date for different reasons.


    The region of my Dutch companion in the year 1.400 was under domination of Burgundy and curiously in these results I find that region like others in France. and the Dutch OV region also appears on the line from southern Greece to reach Juan.




    I understand that Iberia or even more Andalusia is doomed to the fact of Al-Andalus, Phoenicians e.t.c. but we must not forget the History of Spain in relation to the rest of European countries in the past as well as relatively modern times

    I do not know what it can be but I see more of a continental track of the match with the Dutch than a Phoenician track in Andalusia, thirds e.t.c. however epic it may be.

    As I am a multidisciplinary scientist I also include my MTA E





    Mine isE1b1b1a1c*V22+


    I do not know what to think because following the path of the graphic "Juan" and also discarding those that are not E1b1b1a1c could be:

    Medieval Tyrolian
    Sant Julià de Ramis

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    We are seeing these days as nothing is as it seems. The Greeks of the Ampurias colony are not the Greeks that everyone expected, the Visigoths of Girona are not the Visigoths that everyone expected, the Etruscans are not the Etruscans that everyone expected and it is not that there are people with an agenda and people without an agenda is that we all have a bigger agenda than a piano.


    Based on that nothing is what it seems and seeing my results from regions based on 700,000 modern examples from so many regions why my E-V22 could not be the E-V22 that nobody would expect in Andalusia that as you all know is my region of origin.


    I have these results and the oral tradition of my family about the French legionary defector of Napoleon's troops as he passed through Spain from which he had to run as everyone knows. Then I have seen that there is a French region where they were not anti-republics if that legionary was hypothetically from that region and had ended up enrolled in Napoleon's troops could have some consistency his defection due to his ideals. Although it is not a bit as high as that and relatively recently it has not been so long since the invasion and I do not know to what extent the autosomal can play to raise some origins or others; although in my case I come from a population whose origin is in the repopulation of Andalusia and the autosomal has had enough games to play with and it is possible that some regions of origin of the repopulation had doubled by paternal and maternal means referring to my values higher in some regions.


    It is a hypothesis based on the Etruscans that nobody expected, the Visigoths that nobody expected and the Greeks that nobody expected.

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