Moots: Ancient Rome Paper

[Angela]

There's no way they "Match" those other samples.

They may be "related" to them or the result of admixtures among groups somewhat like that, but that's it.

Either you've misunderstood, or he's even more delusional than usual.

[torzio]

I noticed that the haplogroup J appears suddenly after 700 BCE and at a very large proportion of 46,3% between 700 BCE - 700 CE. How is that possible?

700bce-700ce		%
I2a	2	4,9
I1	1	2,4
G2a2b	7	17,1
R1b	5	12,2
R1a	1	2,4
R2a	1	2,4
J	1	2,4
J1	6	14,6	46,3
J2a	9	22,0
J2b	3	7,3
E1b1b	2	4,9
T1a	2	4,9
H2	1	2,4
TOTAL	41	100,0

In Imperial Rome is 56% !

This below is the imperial numbers......where did you get the repulican numbers ?

Imperial Rome based on 24 samples from Antonio et al:


29.1 % J2a-M410 7
20.8 % G2a2 5
16.6 % J1a 4
8.3 % R1b 2
4.1 % J2b-M241 1
4.1 % J2b-M205 1
4.1 % T1a 1
4.1 % R1a 1
4.1 % R2a 1
4.1 % E1b-v12 1

[wandering_amorite]

I didn't want to comment anymore but was adressed directly.

Yes, CTS6190 has been found in a turkish guy who says he has Albanian origins. We also have clades other than z638, which has tmrca of 4200 ybp, so its not some young founder effect.

Is the Albanian-origin Turkish guy under CTS6190 visible in any projects or on any trees?

[wandering_amorite]

On Yfull, under CTS6190 there are four Portuguese, one Italian, one Dutch, one British, one Russian. There's not a single Albanian.

The two "Portuguese" under Y36166 are both Anglo-Virginians, one of whom has fabricated a Sephardic origin story. The Portuguese flag under Y22038 is an Italian Sephardic Jew who claims ultimate roots in Portugal. And then everyone under Y33795 is Ashkenazi, to the best of my knowledge. FYI.