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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    Haha! Well, that isn't surprising, is it? The steppe-admixed ancestry in those ancient Italics and Etruscans isn't but ~25-40% (varies by location and individual), and the modern English have lots of North Germanic/Scandinavian admixture. But, considering linguistics and the events in Bronze Age Europe, it would surprise no one, I believe, if the earliest Proto-Italics were pretty much French/British Celtic-like originally.

    Would you really be troubled to be related to these Welsh babes, honestly? lol






    I’m totally OK with it :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Yes, the ancient Romans look SO, SO, "CELTIC".


    My mother's father looked just like him, and I assure you that nobody would EVER think he was British.

    And poor Agrippa didn't look anything like that extremely ugly man: colorized bust.







    Take your t-rolling elsewhere.

    As for being "happy" about the ancient Roman and Etruscan results, I have ego enough that I'm happy that I was right about both of them for almost seven years, and that I stuck to my guns despite the ridicule, name calling, labeling me as a racist, and even, once, threats that came my way regularly.
    no not the ancient romans in general, just a certain segment carried stronger steppe admixture just as others would have carried more calcolithic adnixture. see what i mean, this is wherethings get real dicey on these boards.

    mark ruffalo is part french.

    a poster earlier on seemed happy that the myceneans are coming out as J2 and not R1B let alone the dreaded R1A.

    look around the eyes, that slight droop, the longish head and the big nose. paul gallens looks far more like agrippa than mark ruffalo.

    even you yourself said at one stage they look more like balkaners, which ones exactly. dont say albanians because they have many celtic types among them.

    im not trolling at all.

    also is that a bust of caesar, well he probably does look more italian. i never said all the roman emperor busts look celtic, just pointing out some do.

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    chael sonnen also has that kind of look. so you agree ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    LivingDNA too, confuses North Italy with the British Isles.

    I get 11+%, and more or less, they assign British to most Italians too.
    LivingDNA is rubbish ..............waited 20 months, no results, cancelled and got my money back
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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    LivingDNA is rubbish ..............waited 20 months, no results, cancelled and got my money back
    I had no trouble with the Standard order by mail.

    but... disappointed with the old free “One World Family”

    Now you can upload Ancestry, 23, FTDNA, ... for free and then pay $39 for autosomal results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I had no trouble with the Standard order by mail.

    but... disappointed with the old free “One World Family”

    you could upload Ancestry, 23, FTDNA, ... for free and then pay $39 for autosomal results.
    yes......but as an italian, what do you get ?

    It seems they like to concentrate on the UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    yes......but as an italian, what do you get ?

    It seems they like to concentrate on the UK
    for Italy, they only have North, South, Tuscany, and Sardinia.
    (G.B. = North Italy, I think :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Yes, the ancient Romans look SO, SO, "CELTIC".


    My mother's father looked just like him, and I assure you that nobody would EVER think he was British.
    who says modern Brits are Celtic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    who says modern Brits are Celtic?
    me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynxbythetv View Post
    me.

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    That'd be wrong, unless you refer to the Welsh, who apparently have quite little post-Antiquity gene flow. The English and the Scottish have lots of later admixture from North German/Scandinavian lands, as much as ~40-50% in some areas. So, genetically they're not the same as their partial Iron Age ancestors.

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    Go there : https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/

    Paste the data below in "data". Then flip both PC1 and PC2 to have the north in the right place.
    Then look what happens. Iron Age Italics, Etruscans, Proto-Villanovan plot between Halstatt DA111 and the Lech Valley BB samples, among a crowd of Bavarian BB samples just above, and Iberian BBs just below. In other words, right where today's French and Swiss samples get packed together.

    Looks like they did come from north of the Alps, and were by the Iron Age in the process of admixing with Remedello-like pops. What happened later is a different story. And I can't think what nordicism might have to do with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynxbythetv View Post
    mark ruffalo is part french.
    Only 1/4th: "His father is of Italian descent, from Girifalco and his mother is of half French Canadian and half Italian ancestry."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    That'd be wrong, unless you refer to the Welsh, who apparently have quite little post-Antiquity gene flow. The English and the Scottish have lots of later admixture from North German/Scandinavian lands, as much as ~40-50% in some areas. So, genetically they're not the same as their partial Iron Age ancestors.
    how large are these areas and how much does this 50% represent overall ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvclv View Post
    Go there : https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/

    Paste the data below in "data". Then flip both PC1 and PC2 to have the north in the right place.
    Then look what happens. Iron Age Italics, Etruscans, Proto-Villanovan plot between Halstatt DA111 and the Lech Valley BB samples, among a crowd of Bavarian BB samples just above, and Iberian BBs just below. In other words, right where today's French and Swiss samples get packed together.

    Looks like they did come from north of the Alps, and were by the Iron Age in the process of admixing with Remedello-like pops. What happened later is a different story. And I can't think what nordicism might have to do with that.
    you're probably right
    there seems to be 1 oultier though : ITA Villanovan in the direction of Bell Beaker ITA
    which is this Bell Beaker ITA?
    is it possible to incorporate the Remedello individuals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    you're probably right
    there seems to be 1 oultier though : ITA Villanovan in the direction of Bell Beaker ITA
    which is this Bell Beaker ITA?
    is it possible to incorporate the Remedello individuals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    which is this Bell Beaker ITA?
    Sample ID / genetic sex (M/F): I2478 / M
    Find location: Via Guidorossi, Parma, Emilia Romagna
    Associated label in publication: Beaker Northern Italy
    Date: 2194–1939 calBCE (3671±40 BP, LTL-5035A)
    MtDNA haplogroup (mother): K1a2a
    Y-DNA haplogroup (father): R1b1a1a2a1a2 (P312)
    Reference: Olalde et al. 2018


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    First, the Romans of the Republic, the founders of Empire, were supposed to be Scandinavian like or German like, and the Etruscans were Anatolians. I heard it here dozens of times. Now they were all Swiss or French. :)

    Has anyone ever denied that steppe related ancestry entered Italy from over the Alps??? Given the linguistic analyses of Italic and Celtic, has anyone ever denied that there might have been an Italo-Celtic speaking group in Central Europe which diverged into two streams? Haven't we known that for a very, very, long time?

    What we also know is that by the time they were more than a bunch of shepards shivering from malaria on their hills, they had absorbed local Chalcolithic ancestry, and a bit perhaps from further south. R437 and R850 had absorbed quite a lot.

    Oh, and only one of the samples might be plotting in southern France. Just saying. :)


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    I was going to do an analysis of my own dna to highlight the Bavarian BB and Remedello Bronze connection even in a half Emilian/half Tuscan, but Duarte has closed access to his google doc. I think he may be offended that we utilized the vahaduo K12b updated, with Italian regional samples which may have been put together by a known Italian racist. Or else he got offended because I said that dna shows one can indeed divide people, more or less, into large "breeding populations", and that believing this doesn't, ipso facto make one a "racist".

    It's a pity, because he's an excellent poster.

    And you think I see racism everywhere, hrvclv? :)

    I'll see if I can reconstruct the list from posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvclv View Post
    Sample ID / genetic sex (M/F): I2478 / M
    Find location: Via Guidorossi, Parma, Emilia Romagna
    Associated label in publication: Beaker Northern Italy
    Date: 2194–1939 calBCE (3671±40 BP, LTL-5035A)
    MtDNA haplogroup (mother): K1a2a
    Y-DNA haplogroup (father): R1b1a1a2a1a2 (P312)
    Reference: Olalde et al. 2018
    you seem to have a well organised database
    how did you collect and build it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I was going to do an analysis of my own dna to highlight the Bavarian BB and Remedello Bronze connection even in a half Emilian/half Tuscan, but Duarte has closed access to his google doc. I think he may be offended that we utilized the vahaduo K12b updated, with Italian regional samples which may have been put together by a known Italian racist. Or else he got offended because I said that dna shows one can indeed divide people, more or less, into large "breeding populations", and that believing this doesn't, ipso facto make one a "racist".

    It's a pity, because he's an excellent poster.

    And you think I see racism everywhere, hrvclv? :)

    I'll see if I can reconstruct the list from posts.

    6.06036303 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


    6.86379633 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN

    6.99657773 I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
    7.16551464 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    7.41494437 I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
    8.75370207 Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
    8.85352472 Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
    9.34367166 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
    9.64873049 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
    10.77930888 I0706_Balkans_Neolithic
    12.22507260 Bavaria_BB_II5524

    Iron Age:
    The first sample is one which has a bit of "Armenian", i.e. Caucasus in it. It's also the only "upper class" sample we have.
    9.10498215 R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    9.61917356 R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    9.80181106 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    10.76144972 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    10.89582948 R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
    10.91793937 R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia

    Iron Age Scythians: this is the group of assimilated "Scythians" from Moldova who are autosomally "Southern European", specifically "Tuscan like".
    8.12881295 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
    9.05183407 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    9.31019871 ScythianMoldova_SCY300

    The trajectory for my ancestry has seemed to me to point to an entrance into Italy from the southern edge of the eastern Alps. It's possible, of course, that we just don't have enough samples from more "western" entry points.

    We have a member from the Romagna who gets similar results, although closer to R1, and Torzio is closer to some of the Etruscan samples.

    Or, people like the Piemontese or western Lombards would show slightly different affinities. Unfortunately, none have posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    First, the Romans of the Republic, the founders of Empire, were supposed to be Scandinavian like or German like, and the Etruscans were Anatolians. I heard it here dozens of times. Now they were all Swiss or French. :)

    Has anyone ever denied that steppe related ancestry entered Italy from over the Alps??? Given the linguistic analyses of Italic and Celtic, has anyone ever denied that there might have been an Italo-Celtic speaking group in Central Europe which diverged into two streams? Haven't we known that for a very, very, long time?

    What we also know is that by the time they were more than a bunch of shepards shivering from malaria on their hills, they had absorbed local Chalcolithic ancestry, and a bit perhaps from further south. R437 and R850 had absorbed quite a lot.

    Oh, and only one of the samples might be plotting in southern France. Just saying. :)
    I think what people are arguing here is simply that Proto-Italics were more probably French-like or even British-like than like some other steppe-admixed population more to the east of Switzerland/South Germany. Of course by the time Iron Age Latins, Oscans etc. existed they were not Proto-Italic anymore, but predominantly local Italians in ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvclv View Post
    ITA_Remedello_BA:RISE486,0.113823,0.169593,0.02790 7,-0.047804,0.080323,-0.025379,-0.013631,0.001385,0.059925,0.071801,0.00406,0.0137 88,-0.012933,-0.003991,-0.016422,-0.017767,-0.002999,0.012035,0.000754,-0.006503,0.001996,-0.003339,-0.02354,-0.027835,-0.007664
    ITA_Remedello_BA:RISE487,0.124067,0.162485,0.04110 6,-0.045866,0.075706,-0.025658,-0.0094,0.011769,0.05154,0.096403,-0.010068,0.01079,-0.031367,-0.016652,-0.017779,-0.000663,0.013038,0.00266,0.017095,-0.018384,0.009733,0.008779,-0.019596,-0.018436,-0.004431
    ITA_Remedello_BA:RISE489,0.121791,0.173656,0.04110 6,-0.062662,0.07663,-0.028726,-0.00564,0.004384,0.059925,0.079637,-0.006171,0.017534,-0.030773,-0.013212,-0.021172,-0.008353,0.00691,0.004561,0.015712,-0.006003,-0.003743,-0.003462,-0.012941,-0.026992,-0.007903
    they are outliers on the plot
    maybe Iberia BB without the steppe ancestry, so Iberian chalcolithic ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    I think what people are arguing here is simply that Proto-Italics were more probably French-like or even British-like than like some other steppe-admixed population more to the east of Switzerland/South Germany. Of course by the time Iron Age Latins, Oscans etc. existed they were not Proto-Italic anymore, but predominantly local Italians in ancestry.
    Exactly...

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    As others have tried to point out, the modern British are not "Celts". Not even the Irish and Scottish, and perhaps not even the Welsh, are "Celts". You know that, surely.

    Take a look at my post number 771. I address the issue tangentially.

    As I said, Piemontese or western Lombards might skew differently. I don't know, but I don't see that pull in the results of the Italian posters on our Board.

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