Angela
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Anybody with half a brain who's been around for longer than a minute knows what Davidski is all about. Those who deny it either secretly agree with him or just want to be able to use his programs and post on his site or are so new to the "hobby" that they don't have a clue about the "players".
If the debacle with the Mycenaeans, whom he claimed were going to be carbon copies of the Corded Ware people of Poland up until the day before the publication of the paper, and the Etruscans, who were going to be Anatolian Iron Age people up until a week before the paper came out, isn't enough for people to see his analyses aren't reliable then they're being wilfully blind. I certainly didn't make mistakes like that.
Oh, and don't forget how the northern Indians were going to be 50% Andronovo or whatever nonsense he modeled for months.
Ignore him.
On to more important things.
R473 Etruscan
Bavaria BB did show up, but at a further distance than the Balkan samples. Same for the Spanish samples which show up.
R474 Etruscan...This one has good hits to the German BB and North Alpine samples, but equally good hits to the Balkans Bronze Age.
R1015 Etruscan-more Balkan Bronze Age heavy
R1016 Roman-the only upper class sample-again, closer to Bronze Age Balkans
Boville Ernica-Bavarian BB and a Spanish sample show up relatively early, but Balkans is first.
R851, maybe more western?
Same for R435
From what I can see there's a mixture of Balkan Bronze Age and North Alpine/German BB/Iberian Bronze Age, with some samples leaning more one way than the other.
I would need more Etruscan samples to say whether they lean more "eastern" than "western" Bronze Age in comparison to the Latins.
Whether it was always mixed or the mixture occurred after they arrived in Italy I don't know.
To get a balanced view both German Beaker and Balkan Bronze have to be included in the sources.
If the debacle with the Mycenaeans, whom he claimed were going to be carbon copies of the Corded Ware people of Poland up until the day before the publication of the paper, and the Etruscans, who were going to be Anatolian Iron Age people up until a week before the paper came out, isn't enough for people to see his analyses aren't reliable then they're being wilfully blind. I certainly didn't make mistakes like that.
Oh, and don't forget how the northern Indians were going to be 50% Andronovo or whatever nonsense he modeled for months.
Ignore him.
On to more important things.
R473 Etruscan
Distance to: | R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia |
---|---|
5.23807216 | I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge |
7.33017053 | I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
7.88686249 | I1113_Malak_Preslavets |
8.15739542 | I2111_Trypillia |
8.17621551 | I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge |
8.33299466 | I2215_Malak_Preslavets |
8.84239786 | I1297_Malak_Preslavets |
9.36587423 | I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge |
9.46015856 | Bavaria_BB_II5524 |
9.83392089 | I3151_Trypillia |
10.07499380 | Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.18056482 | I2110_Trypillia |
10.61650131 | Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.62080505 | I1926_Trypillia |
10.62551175 | ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977 |
10.84815192 | CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239 |
11.21283639 | I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge |
11.59367931 | I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
12.06694245 | I0706_Balkans_Neolithic |
12.55335015 | I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete |
12.55979299 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72 |
13.34862165 | I1295_Malak_Preslavets |
14.53531217 | I2440_Globular_Amphora |
14.54483757 | IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9 |
Bavaria BB did show up, but at a further distance than the Balkan samples. Same for the Spanish samples which show up.
R474 Etruscan...This one has good hits to the German BB and North Alpine samples, but equally good hits to the Balkans Bronze Age.
Distance to: | R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia |
---|---|
5.74122809 | I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge |
6.77580991 | Bavaria_BB_II5524 |
8.72072818 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120 |
9.30280603 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72 |
9.65161126 | I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.61332653 | I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.90744700 | I1113_Malak_Preslavets |
11.18787737 | I2215_Malak_Preslavets |
11.81452496 | I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
11.82549788 | CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239 |
12.33373423 | I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete |
12.54336877 | I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge |
12.68957840 | I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
13.05530161 | Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge |
13.21538876 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119 |
14.00343886 | I2111_Trypillia |
14.45190299 | I2181_Balkans_Chalcolithic_outlier |
14.92140074 | I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge |
15.52350798 | ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977 |
15.70083756 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_78 |
16.12808730 | I3151_Trypillia |
16.32355047 | BronzeAgeEngland_I2462 |
16.50133328 | I1297_Malak_Preslavets |
16.56924561 | Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge |
17.55443819 | BellBeakerSouthernFrance_I3874 |
R1015 Etruscan-more Balkan Bronze Age heavy
Distance to: | R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia |
---|---|
5.90466765 | I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge |
7.39762124 | I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge |
7.71334558 | I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
8.13312363 | I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge |
8.35159266 | I2215_Malak_Preslavets |
8.37548805 | I2111_Trypillia |
8.72612743 | I3151_Trypillia |
9.37365457 | I2110_Trypillia |
9.64178925 | Bavaria_BB_II5524 |
9.76218725 | I1113_Malak_Preslavets |
9.95499874 | Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.42357424 | CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239 |
10.52312216 | I1297_Malak_Preslavets |
10.70558733 | ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977 |
10.72228520 | I1926_Trypillia |
11.05433851 | I0706_Balkans_Neolithic |
11.10513395 | Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge |
11.40769915 | I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge |
11.85190702 | I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete |
11.99557418 | I1295_Malak_Preslavets |
12.39624540 | I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
13.15312510 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72 |
14.56524631 | ANI160_Varna_Outlier |
14.83928570 | I4088_Balkans_Chalcolithic |
14.89781192 | IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9 |
R1016 Roman-the only upper class sample-again, closer to Bronze Age Balkans
Distance to: | R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima |
---|---|
7.35068024 | I3151_Trypillia |
8.76047373 | I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge |
9.09492716 | I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
9.45085710 | I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge |
9.68979876 | I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.22361971 | I2110_Trypillia |
10.45816906 | Bavaria_BB_II5524 |
10.55012322 | I2215_Malak_Preslavets |
10.69418534 | Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.99995000 | CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239 |
11.07581148 | I2111_Trypillia |
11.10573726 | I0706_Balkans_Neolithic |
11.18283506 | ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977 |
11.73281296 | I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete |
11.86617040 | I1926_Trypillia |
11.93298370 | I1113_Malak_Preslavets |
11.95698122 | I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge |
12.09002895 | I1295_Malak_Preslavets |
12.25331384 | I1297_Malak_Preslavets |
12.57254549 | I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
13.06662925 | Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge |
13.48874716 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72 |
14.70167337 | ANI160_Varna_Outlier |
14.73282050 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120 |
15.32862681 | IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9 |
Boville Ernica-Bavarian BB and a Spanish sample show up relatively early, but Balkans is first.
Distance to: | R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica |
---|---|
6.69770856 | I3151_Trypillia |
7.95362182 | CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239 |
8.44269507 | Bavaria_BB_II5524 |
9.72555911 | I2215_Malak_Preslavets |
9.81126393 | I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.30931133 | I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
10.38576911 | I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.45481229 | I1113_Malak_Preslavets |
10.87415284 | ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977 |
11.41484998 | I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge |
11.43899034 | I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge |
11.56217540 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72 |
12.04413965 | I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
12.20604768 | I2110_Trypillia |
12.28929209 | I1297_Malak_Preslavets |
12.79157535 | Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge |
13.04577326 | I0706_Balkans_Neolithic |
13.36867982 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120 |
13.42683879 | I2111_Trypillia |
14.22975755 | I1926_Trypillia |
14.38184967 | I1295_Malak_Preslavets |
14.64225392 | Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge |
14.87163407 | I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete |
16.00559902 | IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9 |
16.21570535 | IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320 |
R851, maybe more western?
Distance to: | R851_Iron_Age_Ardea |
---|---|
7.12745396 | I3151_Trypillia |
7.74215732 | CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239 |
8.31362737 | I2215_Malak_Preslavets |
8.37911093 | ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977 |
8.94475265 | I1113_Malak_Preslavets |
8.99763302 | Bavaria_BB_II5524 |
9.73866521 | I1297_Malak_Preslavets |
10.11018299 | I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge |
10.14648708 | I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
10.83610631 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72 |
11.57587146 | I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
11.68067207 | I2110_Trypillia |
11.81369967 | I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge |
12.75417971 | I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge |
12.96713538 | I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge |
13.14383886 | I1926_Trypillia |
13.18246183 | I2111_Trypillia |
13.56668346 | IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9 |
13.62619169 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120 |
13.98647919 | BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208 |
14.07380901 | Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge |
14.10845137 | IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320 |
14.47627369 | I0706_Balkans_Neolithic |
14.57562692 | IlercavonesCatalan_I3321 |
14.86646226 | I2440_Globular_Amphora |
Same for R435
Distance to: | R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella |
---|---|
2.14441134 | I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy |
6.60470287 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72 |
6.79479212 | ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977 |
6.97894691 | I1113_Malak_Preslavets |
7.11525825 | I2215_Malak_Preslavets |
8.59178678 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119 |
9.01150931 | I1297_Malak_Preslavets |
9.15171569 | Bavaria_BB_II5524 |
9.40140947 | CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239 |
9.51282292 | BronzeAgeEngland_I2462 |
9.63494162 | IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320 |
10.53571070 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120 |
11.23877217 | I2181_Balkans_Chalcolithic_outlier |
11.64855356 | IlercavonesCatalan_I3321 |
12.15553783 | BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208 |
12.23966911 | I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge |
13.58203961 | I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge |
13.76760691 | NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_78 |
13.82287597 | IberianSettlementCataloniaSpain_I3496 |
13.98864540 | IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9 |
14.33947349 | I3151_Trypillia |
14.60477319 | BellBeakerSouthernFrance_I3874 |
14.91302116 | I2111_Trypillia |
15.69331705 | I2440_Globular_Amphora |
15.79126974 | I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge |
From what I can see there's a mixture of Balkan Bronze Age and North Alpine/German BB/Iberian Bronze Age, with some samples leaning more one way than the other.
I would need more Etruscan samples to say whether they lean more "eastern" than "western" Bronze Age in comparison to the Latins.
Whether it was always mixed or the mixture occurred after they arrived in Italy I don't know.
To get a balanced view both German Beaker and Balkan Bronze have to be included in the sources.