Stuvanè
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When I read history soon I have a substrate, but I don't remember the details. Let's see I remember that the Goths are divided and those who enter Spain are called Visigoths and those of Italy do not remember anymore. A few years ago I was talking to a biologist and he told me that these people are all the same despite their names, they would refer to their most ancestral origin, I don't know.
With regard to the Visigoths or Goths in Spain, it acquires all the epic and historical significance as something of ours in perceiving the situation as soon as they are part of us, we are going to mix. Bone as they are part of the Spanish genetic heritage so that we understand each other, as with the rest of the ethnic groups that have to do with the history of Spain. We do not have a vision of the typical "pure" goth in reference to our history or as part of us. It is like any historical event of a Norwegian princess who travels to the court of Castile to marry, it is like drinking a glass of water, but her descendant or knowing that El Cid disdained Goths, Latinos or whatever it is when we acquire all the relevance for putting an imaginary example. I don't know if I have understood. So when it is part of us, what is known by history, archeology e.t.c. It is when it makes sense for a migration to our historic country and won by hand that integrates into the whole contributing.
I hope it is understood, it is not about idolizing a blonde hair and blue eyes riding towards Spain, it is the history of a country, it is beyond that.
In the sample that I obtained from the hillock of the pig at the beginning it appeared as vascones e.t.c. Well, now he's like Iberian, Latin ...
The ilergetes also appeared at the beginning as Vascones / ilergetes
I think there were people who would tell you something and they may be super bundled. If the term vascones refers to the Iberian peninsula in times of the bronze age, it would be an appropriate term for samples of the entire peninsula provided that the results correspond. It is not about modern Basques.
I think we are going to waste a lot of time today if in MTA they begin to pay attention to current socio-political issues because in a matter of 10 years all this will be clarified almost 100% I imagine when the calculators are ready. So why waste time today if in a few years the whole truth is going to be known? We lose the current time.
In the case of the Moorish era, for example, there are other totally different circumstances when it comes to sociology, religion, e.t.c. There are Spaniards who do not show their results because the small percentage of North Africa is not seen, but even that I think has a socio-political motive, historical religious or whatever you want to call it. Even when the news came out that the percentage of Spaniards in North Africa could be that it did not respond to the Muslim era, I saw that they still did not show their results, I do not understand it sincerely, sharing snp with Moors or Goths does not make you moro or goth, it It is about what I explained above, it is about knowing our Spanish genetic heritage, one thing or the other will not make us more Spanish or less modern Spanish.
In some forum to get from the Red Sea I think or North East Africa another Spanish said it was black, then you could only answer: Eat my cock, you think: what do you care about and ignore it like a jerk. And yet these types of people do not show their results, it is what I do not see proportional in the forums, some give everything and others comfortably allow themselves to judge others by their ethnical results that obviously does not show so that they insult him but for the general knowledge, beyond politics etc. In short, the truth that will be found sooner or later.
I would confirm that the difference between the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths was essentially nothing, an ancient division based mostly on the respective dominant dynasties, where the Thervingi (predecessors of the Visigoths) were led by the Balts, and the Greutungi (the pre-Ostrogoths) ruled by the Amali by which Theoderic the Great would have descended.
The Goths in many ways were a sort of nebula in Eastern Europe, a centripetal group assimilating with relative ease the neighbours, nor should we forget that - although more secluded - even the Gepids were "Goths". Certainly the eastern branch of the Goths was more exposed to the influences of the steppe civilizations, assimilating protoslavs and even more sarmatic groups, to the point that Byzantine military treaty at the beginning of the VIIth century as the "Strategikon" by Mauritius didn't classify the Goths anymore between the Germans (the so-called "blond peoples" / "Xantha Ethne"), but among the "Huns", given their acquired and brilliant ability to fight on horseback. Even if it will certainly be updated, the study by Vernadsky remains fundamental:
https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/sa...ulum.1951.2.jg.340/saeculum.1951.2.jg.340.xml
Now I don't remember which other scholar affirmed it, if Wolfram or Heather, in any case the members of the two groups - at least until the first half of the IVth century - moved rather freely from one tribe to another. The event that broke and fractured the Goth macro-group was the advent of the Huns. The Goths who managed to escape definitively became the Visigoths, while most of Greutungi, which was blocked by the Asian invaders and became a vassal for at least 70-80 years, until the death of Attila in the middle of the Vth century, would have become the Ostrogoths, with a long gestation that would have ended after a few decades, bringing together several Eastern Germans scattered along the Danube and in Balkan area