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    Y DNA from Hun, Avar and Hungarian nomadic conquerors of the Carpathian Basin


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    The Data is also available, but I cannot post links yet. I can't wait to see where the samples plot on PCA and their modern similarities!

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    From: Y-chromosome haplogroups from Hun, Avar and conquering Hungarian period nomadic people of the Carpathian Basin




    Y-Hg-s determined from 46 males grouped according to sample age, cemetery and Hg. Hg designations are given according to ISOGG Tree 2019. Grey shading designate distinguished individuals with rich grave goods, color shadings denote supposed geographic origin of Hg-s according to Fig. 2. For samples K3/1 and K3/3 the innermost Hg defining marker U106* was not covered, but had been determined previously12

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Interesting, lots of Ns, some Scythian R1a-Z94, Slavic CTS1211, and western R1b clades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    Interesting, lots of Ns, some Scythian R1a-Z94, Slavic CTS1211, and western R1b clades.
    Surprisingly, even two G2a.

    "The PSZ/1 Avar leader belongs to Hg G2a-P15, while K2/33 to the G2a2b-L30 subbranch."

    Early Avar period:
    PSZ/1 (630-660 AD): G-P15 (xL1259) -> G-L293 (G2a1 - "Caucasian").

    Conqueror period:
    K2/33 (895-950 AD): G-L30 (G2a2b).

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    Phenotypes and genetic predict origin of Hun period, early Avar period, midle and late Avar period, Conqueror period:

    “Às vezes ouço passar o vento; e só de ouvir o vento passar, vale a pena ter nascido”.
    Fernando Pessoa
    Y-DNA haplogroup: R1b > M269 > L23 > L51 > P310 > L151 > P312 > DF27 > ZZ12 > ZZ19 > Z31644 > BY2285 > BY25634 > FGC35133

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    Quote Originally Posted by bained View Post
    The Data is also available, but I cannot post links yet. I can't wait to see where the samples plot on PCA and their modern similarities!




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    Supplementary Table S5: Modern population N1a database used for population genetic analysis. This dataset was taken from Ilumäe et al. 2016 with the following modifications: Russians Kostroma, Russians Orjol, Russians Kursk, Russians Voronez, Russians Belgorod and Russians Smolensk groups were merged as Russian (RUS) as they mapped very close to each-other. Mordva and Mordva 1 groups were also merged for the same reason. Subclades were grouped according to the markers tested in this study.
    code N1a2 - L666 N1a1a - M178 xB187 xB211 xB197 xM2019 xVL29 xZ1936 N1a1a2 - B187 N1a1a1a2- B211 N1a1a1a1a1a - VL29 N1a1a1a1a2 - Z1936 N1a1a1a1a3 - B197 N1a1a1a1a4 - M2019 N1 ratio in pop n total
    Northeastern Europe Linguistic affiliation
    Saami (Sweden) Uralic, Finno-Saami SAA 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 46,15% 53,85% 0,00% 0,00% 100,00% 13
    Finns Uralic, Finno-Saami FIN 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 12,82% 41,03% 0,00% 0,00% 53,85% 39
    Karelians Uralic, Finno-Saami KAR 0,72% 0,72% 0,00% 0,72% 15,11% 20,14% 0,00% 0,00% 37,41% 139
    Vepsa Uralic, Finno-Saami VEP 17,50% 2,50% 0,00% 0,00% 2,50% 32,50% 0,00% 0,00% 55,00% 40
    Russians Arhangelsk Indo-European, Balto-Slavic RUSA 6,60% 0,94% 0,00% 0,94% 13,21% 22,64% 0,00% 0,00% 44,34% 106
    Russians Pinega Indo-European, Balto-Slavic RUSP 16,50% 0,97% 0,00% 0,00% 3,88% 19,42% 0,00% 0,00% 40,78% 103
    Eastern Europe
    Estonians Uralic, Finno-Saami EST 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 27,66% 2,98% 0,00% 0,00% 30,64% 235
    Avars Test_population AVAR 0,00% 14,29% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 35,71% 0,00% 50,00% 14
    Hungarian_Conquerors Test_population CONQ 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 10,34% 0,00% 6,90% 17,24% 29
    Latvians Indo-European, Balto-Slavic LVA 0,00% 3,49% 0,00% 0,00% 38,37% 1,16% 0,00% 0,00% 43,02% 86
    Lithuanians Indo-Europen, Balto-Slavic LTU 0,00% 0,90% 0,00% 0,00% 39,64% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 40,54% 111
    Belarusians Indo-European, Balto-Slavic BLR 0,75% 0,00% 0,00% 1,12% 7,87% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 9,74% 267
    Polish Indo-European, Balto-Slavic POL 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 4,30% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 4,30% 93
    Russians Pskov Indo-European, Balto-Slavic RUSPS 0,76% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 18,18% 3,79% 0,00% 0,00% 22,73% 132
    Russians Indo-European, Balto-Slavic RUS 0,37% 0,37% 0,00% 0,18% 5,69% 2,20% 0,00% 0,00% 8,81% 545
    Crimean Tatars Altaic,Turkic TATC 0,00% 0,36% 0,00% 0,00% 2,89% 0,00% 1,08% 0,00% 4,33% 277
    Ukrainians Indo-European, Slavic UKR 0,53% 0,18% 0,00% 0,00% 6,89% 1,06% 0,18% 0,18% 9,01% 566
    Volga-Uralic region
    Udmurts Uralic, Finno-Permic UDM 11,11% 0,00% 0,00% 66,67% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 77,78% 54
    Maris Uralic, Finno-Volgaic MAR 15,69% 0,00% 0,00% 13,73% 11,76% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 41,18% 51
    Komi Permians Uralic, Finno-Permic KOMP 6,67% 5,00% 0,00% 11,67% 1,67% 5,00% 0,00% 0,00% 30,00% 60
    Komi (Syktyk distr.) Uralic, Finno-Permic KOMS 35,29% 0,00% 0,00% 17,65% 11,76% 5,88% 0,00% 0,00% 70,59% 17
    Komi (Izhemsky distr.) Uralic, Finno Permic KOMI 16,67% 0,00% 0,00% 43,33% 0,00% 10,00% 0,00% 0,00% 70,00% 30
    Mordva Uralic, Finno-Volgaic MRD 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 9,13% 0,76% 2,66% 0,00% 0,00% 12,55% 263
    Chuvashes Altaic, Turkic CHV 9,65% 0,00% 0,00% 20,18% 2,63% 3,51% 0,00% 0,00% 35,96% 114
    Volga Tatars Altaic, Turkic TAT 9,77% 0,75% 0,75% 0,00% 3,76% 12,78% 0,00% 0,00% 27,82% 133
    Bashkirs Altaic, Turkic BSH 0,88% 0,00% 0,00% 0,70% 0,70% 14,96% 0,00% 0,00% 17,25% 568
    Western Siberia
    Khanty and Mansi Uralic, Ob-Ugric KHT 26,98% 11,11% 0,00% 19,05% 0,00% 7,94% 0,00% 12,70% 77,78% 63
    Nenets Uralic, Samoyedic NEN 69,05% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 14,29% 9,52% 0,00% 0,00% 92,86% 42
    Nganasans Uralic, Samoyedic NGA 54,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 4,00% 0,00% 0,00% 58,00% 50
    Selkups Uralic, Samoyedic SEL 6,98% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 2,33% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 9,30% 43
    Siberian Tatars Altaic, Turkic TATS 17,19% 0,45% 0,00% 0,00% 1,36% 5,43% 2,26% 0,90% 27,60% 221
    Dolgans from Taymyr Altaic, Turkic DLGT 24,07% 5,56% 0,00% 0,00% 3,70% 7,41% 0,00% 3,70% 44,44% 54
    Central Siberia
    Central Yakuts Altaic, Turkic YAKC 2,17% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 85,87% 88,04% 92
    Vilyuy Yakuts Altaic, Turkic YAKV 0,00% 1,69% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 89,83% 91,53% 59
    Northern Yakuts Altaic, Turkic YAKN 10,77% 1,54% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 69,23% 81,54% 65
    Evenks Altaic, Tungusic EVK 5,26% 1,75% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 1,75% 47,37% 56,14% 57
    Evens Altaic, Tungusic EVN 8,33% 8,33% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 29,17% 45,83% 24
    Yukaghirs Isolate YUK 0,00% 27,27% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 27,27% 11
    Dolgans from Yakutia Altaic, Turkic DLGY 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 50,00% 50,00% 10
    Eastern Siberia
    Asian Eskimos Eskimo-Aleut ESK 11,76% 11,76% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 23,53% 0,00% 47,06% 17
    Chukchi Chukotko-Kamtchatkan CHK 0,00% 6,52% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 47,83% 0,00% 54,35% 46
    Koryaks Chukotko-Kamtchatkan KORY 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 22,22% 0,00% 22,22% 9
    Nanais Altaic, Tungusic NAN 0,00% 0,77% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 43,85% 44,62% 130
    Southern Siberia
    Altaians Altaic, Turkic ALT 8,20% 0,00% 9,84% 6,56% 0,00% 0,00% 3,28% 0,00% 27,87% 61
    Tuvans Altaic, Turkic TUV 20,00% 0,00% 6,32% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 6,32% 1,05% 33,68% 95
    Khakassis Altaic,Turkic KHK 16,67% 0,57% 23,56% 0,57% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 41,38% 174
    Shorians Altaic,Turkic SHR 8,70% 0,00% 26,09% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 4,35% 39,13% 23
    Mongolia & Transbaikal
    Mongols Altaic, Mongolic MNG 5,77% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 6,30% 0,26% 12,34% 381
    Buryats Altaic, Mongolic BUR 2,70% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 41,44% 0,00% 44,14% 111
    Central Asia & Caucasus
    Kazakhs Altaic, Turkic KZH 1,08% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 2,16% 0,54% 3,78% 185
    Uzbeks Altaic, Turkic UZB 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,47% 0,47% 0,93% 215
    Karanogays Altaic,Turkic KNO 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,84% 1,68% 0,84% 6,72% 2,52% 12,61% 119
    Karakalpaks Altaic,Turkic KARA 0,00% 1,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 1,00% 2,00% 4,00% 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by du-te View Post
    So G2a were warrior hunts and not farmers?
    Not sure what you mean. Observe timeframes. Before ~10k years ago, humans were all HGs. After ~4k years ago, almost all Europeans were also "farmers". G2a was indeed the most common haplogroup among ANF/EEF in Neolithic though.

    These Avars lived a bit more than 1k years ago.

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