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    Orgaz digs up his Visigoth city



    Orgaz digs up his Visigoth city

    Eight Spanish and foreign institutions discover in Toledo a 6th-century palatine complex that during the last century was minimized as the remains of a church


    What began a century ago as an inexhaustible quarry on the outskirts of the hamlet of Arisgotas, from which the neighbors took the stones to build their houses, has ended up being, after three years of investigations, an unknown strongly Visigoth palatine complex walled, not an isolated church as originally thought.

    Experts have concluded that the enclave is of "enormous importance" and allows us to reinterpret this town surrounded by walls and defense towers erected in the seventh century and that was located about 30 kilometers from the then Visigothic capital, Urbs Regia, Toledo. The set included palaces, churches, houses, pipes, cultivation areas and warehouses.

    The translation of one of the tombstones found in the excavations clearly indicates that it was built by a monarch whose name ended in the syllable. “It was like a small Recópolis,” says Jorge Morín, director of the works, referring to the impressive palatine city that King Leovigildo ordered to build in Zorita de los Canes (Guadalajara) in 578 in honor of his son Recaredo. Even the body of an elderly nobleman, inside a sarcophagus, has returned to light in Orgaz after opening the floor of the church. Who was?


    1. CHURCH WHERE THE `DUX` WAS ENTERED

    The site of Los Hitos has been known for more than a century and has been the subject of diverse interpretations. The fact that the neighbors carried for decades the ashlars they found when plowing the fields in order to fix their homes and that they opened the sarcophagi that they found to sell the objects they hid made that, in February 1938, in the middle of the Civil War, The Artistic Board of the Treasury of the Republic visited the place and made the first studies and photographs.

    But all conservation attempts were abandoned until 2016, when the archaeological consultancy Audema and the Institute of Archeology University of London, under the co-direction of Isabel Sánchez Ramos, supported by the City Council of Orgaz and the Diputación de Toledo, reopened their approximate five hectares and everything took an unexpected turn.


    2. THE REGISTRATION OF A KING In the church there was a carved marble that reads on the last line `it was made by ... do`, no doubt a Visigoth monarch

    This summer, the excavations in which the Complutense Universities of Madrid, Polytechnic, Cordoba, CEU, Newcastle (United Kingdom), Cologne and Marburg (Germany) or the Geological and Mining Institute were resumed took place. Three years ago, it was already discovered that the supposed church indicated by archaeologists that the Republic sent was not such, but an aristocratic pavilion of almost 11 meters high that had barred windows and a staircase to climb to its second floor.

    The following year, it was found, this time, a church with a burial in the nave, in front of the choir, and later other tombs in the southern portico, as well as a pantheon attached to the same area. In this last enclosure the body of a man was discovered - possibly a dux, a prominent member of the noble dome - on which analyzes are being made. These have determined, for the moment, that it was an elderly man, with bowed legs for many hours riding and ankle injuries from spurs. He was buried, possibly, with weapons and other valuables, but these were pillaged during the Muslim invasion. In 711 the complex was taken by the Arabs, but not destroyed, but adapted to their needs and turned into a kind of communications hub.


    Hundreds of sculptural pieces have also been recovered, found in one of the museums of the municipality and which make it one of the "most important sets of Hispania goda". One of these pieces is a long inscription that corresponds to a poem of religious-spiritual content. It has been translated by the Complutense professor Isabel Velázquez and ends with the phrase "it was built by ... do".

    This last verse directly connects the construction of the settlement with a Visigoth king, which together with the fact that the body found of the doge in the pantheon is undoubtedly that of the person who erected the palace, opens up spectacular expectations for archaeologists. Will it be the body of a monarch? "We don't know yet because we are in the first phase of the investigation, but we will find out," says Morin.

    Already in 2018, another building with buttresses and two small porches was located, which included a central classroom of the basilical plant, which meant a new palatine space of the late sixth or early seventh centuries. This building was reoccupied in the tenth and eleventh centuries, in Andalusian times and transformed. The church was also modified by Muslims and turned into a mosque with a mihrab. Jorge Morín, director of the department of Archeology of Audema, explains that the group responds to an “urban planning based on Pythagorean squares”, which rules out the hypothesis that it was a randomized complex to which buildings were added.


    4. THE PALACE Experts have rebuilt the main building of the enclave, the palace. It had two floors and reached 11 meters high

    This year a wall between two and three meters wide has been unearthed with rectangular towers and that experts place in the reigns that span between Teudis (531-538) and Recaredo (586-601). This fortification, which surrounded the entire town, had a monumental door and had warehouses and houses attached to it. Each house occupied about 20 square meters and had a rectangular backyard. “The walled, in addition to giving protection (the archers could shoot from the adarves of the towers over 80 meters), conferred prestige as a palatial city, according to the marbles that were used in its construction and giving continuity to the classical world in the one who built their buildings, ”says the director of the excavations.

    The magnetic polarity analyzes of the Faculty of Physics of the Complutense of Madrid, carried out by Alicia Perea, have undoubtedly determined that they are remains of the Visigothic period, which closes “the controversy generated in the last century that denied the existence of its own Visigothic architecture, a sterile debate in the Spanish archeology of the period in the last 30 years ”. The materials found - ceramic, glass or metal - are being studied at the University of Newcastle, in the United Kingdom.

    "IN THE NAME OF GOD ... DO, HE DID THIS CHURCH"
    The translation made by Isabel Velázquez Soriano of the tombstone found in the church, reads as follows: "Recite the melodious chant of Christ / lift up crying eyes, together with hands and hearts / for Christ to wash the blame and forgive the debts / keep the bodies and the interiors of the minds immaculate / and drive away the abominable snake and again enclose it / where seduction is far from the righteous spirits / where the shameful delight of lust and charm / banal talk, the ostentation and ambition of riches / Glorify you the doors behind the immense walls / in the name of God (... do) made this church. "


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Very interesting.
    There is much more. But because of misfortune, the left in Spain has only taken care of extolling and restoring everything from the Muslim era, I don't know what strange reasons it obeys but they tend to ignore any other historical era in Spain, they have a fixation with everything that is Moorish.

    Abandoned Visigoth Jewel

    After undergoing a rigorous recovery process, the hermitage of San Ambrosio was left to its fate in 2004

    Nestled in the middle of the Breña pine forest, a place of singular beauty halfway between the road that leads from the Caños de Meca to Barbate, one of the jewels of the Visigoth of the southern peninsular rises: the hermitage of San Ambrose.

    A thorough rehabilitation work carried out in two phases - from 98 to 2000 and from 2002 to 2004 - managed to get all the archeological and constructive brilliance out of it, in view of its immediate enhancement. But, incomprehensibly, today it is abandoned to its fate and to the design of the cows that literally graze there freely. And it is that at present this property of the Bishopric of Cádiz and Ceuta is leased and is subject to grazing.



    Así lo lamenta la arqueóloga que dirigió la excavación, Paloma Bueno, quien asegura que se le parte el alma cuando regresa por el que fue el centro neurálgico de su trabajo durante estos cuatro años que duró la intervención, junto a las dos escuelas taller que se pusieron en marcha para su recuperación.
    "Lo dejamos perfecto -véanse las imágenes de la página siguiente-, hicimos la obra de consolidación a través de una gran estructura enorme de metal, se limpió, se hizo el vallado, un camino de acceso y se excavó. Solo faltó techarlo". Incluso se arreglaron las naves anexas de cara a la construcción del futuro centro de visitantes. Pero la falta de entendimiento entre administraciones o la propia desidia y falta de interés que este tipo de iniciativas culturales despiertan en este país, y en esta provincia, hicieron el resto. Y eso que fue en época de bonanza económica.






    This is how the archaeologist who led the excavation, Paloma Bueno, regrets, who assures that his soul is broken when he returns for what was the nerve center of his work during these four years that the intervention lasted, together with the two workshop schools that were They launched for recovery.


    "We left it perfect - see the images on the next page - we did the consolidation work through a huge huge metal structure, it was cleaned, the fence was made, an access road was excavated. It just needed to roof it." Even the attached ships were arranged for the construction of the future visitor center. But the lack of understanding between administrations or the lack of interest and lack of interest that this type of cultural initiatives arouse in this country, and in this province, did the rest. And that was during the economic boom.

    The result? It can be seen in the photos that open this report. A heritage asset - it was declared BIC in 2004 - left to its fate, immersed in the vegetation that wildly emerges on the ground and whose ultimate goal is to serve as food for the bovids. Animals that, by the way, trample the Roman remains that they find in their path, since under the hermitage lies a Roman villa and behind, the necropolis.


    And the thing is not here. According to the archaeologist, a lover of this beautiful corner to which she returns every time she can, "there are remains that we left on the ground because they could not be deposited in the Museum of Cádiz that have disappeared. That was fenced and closed." But the locks are broken, delivering this good to total unprotection.






    Counting, the flirtatious hermitage was subjected to two rehabilitation and consolidation interventions with the launch of the Workshop School of San Ambrose I and II, in a performance that promoted the Commonwealth of the Janda with the collaboration of the Bishopric of Cádiz as owner, the City Council of Barbate and the INEM, which subsidized the project. This work was conceived as a multidisciplinary project composed of different groups of masonry, carpentry, forest resources, rural tourism and the auxiliary archeology module led by Paloma Bueno.


    The purpose was to rehabilitate the hermitage and its surroundings, for which the Emergency Archaeological Intervention Project was approved and approved by the Delegation of Culture in April of 99 in order to carry out the archaeological investigations prior to the restoration work. "It was a very rewarding job and in which many people collaborated," he recalls.


    Specifically, during the first two years the elimination of demolished annexed buildings was carried out, part of the necropolis and the Roman town were excavated - both in the atrium of the hermitage and in the back - and important construction remains were located as columns, mosaics, wall painting, ceramics, glass and numismatics. The second workshop school worked on the shoring of the arches, paramental study, execution of the enclosure, access recovery, improvement of the environment and installation of panels.


    Such was the fervor that awoke at the time, that the City Council of Barbate granted the level of integral protection, typical of the sites that must be preserved for study and public cultural enjoyment. But it did not help, since neither Bishopric, nor Junta, nor City Council of Barbate nor Commonwealth of Municipalities of the Janda, watch over your safeguard today. That of an abandoned Visigothic jewel.

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    Orgaz digs up his Visigoth city

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    There is much more. But because of misfortune, the left in Spain has only taken care of extolling and restoring everything from the Muslim era, I don't know what strange reasons it obeys but they tend to ignore any other historical era in Spain, they have a fixation with everything that is Moorish.

    Abandoned Visigoth Jewel

    After undergoing a rigorous recovery process, the hermitage of San Ambrosio was left to its fate in 2004

    Nestled in the middle of the Breña pine forest, a place of singular beauty halfway between the road that leads from the Caños de Meca to Barbate, one of the jewels of the Visigoth of the southern peninsular rises: the hermitage of San Ambrose.

    A thorough rehabilitation work carried out in two phases - from 98 to 2000 and from 2002 to 2004 - managed to get all the archeological and constructive brilliance out of it, in view of its immediate enhancement. But, incomprehensibly, today it is abandoned to its fate and to the design of the cows that literally graze there freely. And it is that at present this property of the Bishopric of Cádiz and Ceuta is leased and is subject to grazing.



    Así lo lamenta la arqueóloga que dirigió la excavación, Paloma Bueno, quien asegura que se le parte el alma cuando regresa por el que fue el centro neurálgico de su trabajo durante estos cuatro años que duró la intervención, junto a las dos escuelas taller que se pusieron en marcha para su recuperación.
    "Lo dejamos perfecto -véanse las imágenes de la página siguiente-, hicimos la obra de consolidación a través de una gran estructura enorme de metal, se limpió, se hizo el vallado, un camino de acceso y se excavó. Solo faltó techarlo". Incluso se arreglaron las naves anexas de cara a la construcción del futuro centro de visitantes. Pero la falta de entendimiento entre administraciones o la propia desidia y falta de interés que este tipo de iniciativas culturales despiertan en este país, y en esta provincia, hicieron el resto. Y eso que fue en época de bonanza económica.






    This is how the archaeologist who led the excavation, Paloma Bueno, regrets, who assures that his soul is broken when he returns for what was the nerve center of his work during these four years that the intervention lasted, together with the two workshop schools that were They launched for recovery.


    "We left it perfect - see the images on the next page - we did the consolidation work through a huge huge metal structure, it was cleaned, the fence was made, an access road was excavated. It just needed to roof it." Even the attached ships were arranged for the construction of the future visitor center. But the lack of understanding between administrations or the lack of interest and lack of interest that this type of cultural initiatives arouse in this country, and in this province, did the rest. And that was during the economic boom.

    The result? It can be seen in the photos that open this report. A heritage asset - it was declared BIC in 2004 - left to its fate, immersed in the vegetation that wildly emerges on the ground and whose ultimate goal is to serve as food for the bovids. Animals that, by the way, trample the Roman remains that they find in their path, since under the hermitage lies a Roman villa and behind, the necropolis.


    And the thing is not here. According to the archaeologist, a lover of this beautiful corner to which she returns every time she can, "there are remains that we left on the ground because they could not be deposited in the Museum of Cádiz that have disappeared. That was fenced and closed." But the locks are broken, delivering this good to total unprotection.






    Counting, the flirtatious hermitage was subjected to two rehabilitation and consolidation interventions with the launch of the Workshop School of San Ambrose I and II, in a performance that promoted the Commonwealth of the Janda with the collaboration of the Bishopric of Cádiz as owner, the City Council of Barbate and the INEM, which subsidized the project. This work was conceived as a multidisciplinary project composed of different groups of masonry, carpentry, forest resources, rural tourism and the auxiliary archeology module led by Paloma Bueno.


    The purpose was to rehabilitate the hermitage and its surroundings, for which the Emergency Archaeological Intervention Project was approved and approved by the Delegation of Culture in April of 99 in order to carry out the archaeological investigations prior to the restoration work. "It was a very rewarding job and in which many people collaborated," he recalls.


    Specifically, during the first two years the elimination of demolished annexed buildings was carried out, part of the necropolis and the Roman town were excavated - both in the atrium of the hermitage and in the back - and important construction remains were located as columns, mosaics, wall painting, ceramics, glass and numismatics. The second workshop school worked on the shoring of the arches, paramental study, execution of the enclosure, access recovery, improvement of the environment and installation of panels.


    Such was the fervor that awoke at the time, that the City Council of Barbate granted the level of integral protection, typical of the sites that must be preserved for study and public cultural enjoyment. But it did not help, since neither Bishopric, nor Junta, nor City Council of Barbate nor Commonwealth of Municipalities of the Janda, watch over your safeguard today. That of an abandoned Visigothic jewel.

    https://www.diariodecadiz.es/ocio/Jo...497350679.html
    Congratulations Carlos. Very interesting. I believe that no part of a country's history should be overlooked. I agree with you: Archaeological discoveries related to the Visigoths should be given the same importance as those related to the Moors. But it is always important to point out that, IMO, the native peoples of the Iberian Peninsula are those who lived there until the classic antiquity, that is, Iberians and Celtiberians, mainly. The Visigoths, Suevi, Vandals (basically Germanic), and Alans (originally Persian), are newcomers from the early Middle Ages, as are the Moors who came after them. In a very broad sense, first, the Germanic peoples, and finally the Moors, buried the Western Roman Empire in Hispania.
    Cheers dear friend :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Congratulations Carlos. Very interesting. I believe that no part of a country's history should be overlooked. I agree with you: Archaeological discoveries related to the Visigoths should be given the same importance as those related to the Moors. But it is always important to point out that, IMO, the native peoples of the Iberian Peninsula are those who lived there until the classic antiquity, that is, Iberians and Celtiberians, mainly. The Visigoths, Suevi, Vandals (basically Germanic), and Alans (originally Persian), are newcomers from the early Middle Ages, as are the Moors who came after them. In a very broad sense, first, the Germanic peoples, and finally the Moors, buried the Western Roman Empire in Hispania.
    Cheers dear friend :)
    Yes of course the Iberians and Celtiberians at the same level are in the ancestral imaginary of any of us. After more vaguely speaking of Carthaginians, Phoenicians, even more vaguely, vandals, Alans, rises, e.t.c. The Romans acquire more relevance does not make it plain to explain. About the Visigoths good a few decades ago in the school, the full list of Gothic kings had to be known by heart and they occupy a more relevant place as soon as the forgers of Spain are counted on them. The left loves the Muslim era, I don't know why, well I do. But it is something inexplicable, but we would like to erase that era or it removes us a lot inside just by touching the subject, that is the truth. It is a stage of which we do not consider ourselves heirs or ours, I think it may be because there was a moment in history I do not remember with which king, Alfonso X the wise, who qualified as foreigners, maybe when the Mozarabic rite is changed To the Latin, then we see it as an era of foreigners with a culture and religion alien to us and period, that's the truth, our old king dictated it that way and that's how it is within us.


    In my travels I have met some young man from another region, youth are now having a manipulated or misrepresented education and then people from other regions or countries being Spanish or Andalusian talk to you about the magnificence of Al-Andalus thinking maybe believing that you they are talking about your own story and they are confused because we don't feel they are talking about something of ours, yes about a period or an era but not about our history and this is so and when we say something else we are pretending or lying.


    And that is the pure truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Yes of course the Iberians and Celtiberians at the same level are in the ancestral imaginary of any of us. After more vaguely speaking of Carthaginians, Phoenicians, even more vaguely, vandals, Alans, rises, e.t.c. The Romans acquire more relevance does not make it plain to explain. About the Visigoths good a few decades ago in the school, the full list of Gothic kings had to be known by heart and they occupy a more relevant place as soon as the forgers of Spain are counted on them. The left loves the Muslim era, I don't know why, well I do. But it is something inexplicable, but we would like to erase that era or it removes us a lot inside just by touching the subject, that is the truth. It is a stage of which we do not consider ourselves heirs or ours, I think it may be because there was a moment in history I do not remember with which king, Alfonso X the wise, who qualified as foreigners, maybe when the Mozarabic rite is changed To the Latin, then we see it as an era of foreigners with a culture and religion alien to us and period, that's the truth, our old king dictated it that way and that's how it is within us.


    In my travels I have met some young man from another region, youth are now having a manipulated or misrepresented education and then people from other regions or countries being Spanish or Andalusian talk to you about the magnificence of Al-Andalus thinking maybe believing that you they are talking about your own story and they are confused because we don't feel they are talking about something of ours, yes about a period or an era but not about our history and this is so and when we say something else we are pretending or lying.


    And that is the pure truth.
    I understand your position, Carlos, and I respect you, dear friend. For a Spaniard, educated in Christendom and a citizen of a country that keeps the tradition of the European monarchy, it is difficult to accept the Moorish occupation. The Moors subverted the Catholic Christian tradition of the Visigoth Kings, who accepted Latin as their language and Christianity as their religion. The Visigoths did not behave as invaders. This was not the case of the Moors. There is nothing wrong with defending your country's cultural legacy, which you learned in school. Spain is a Catholic Christian monarchy whose official language is a Latin language. So were the Visigoths kingdoms and kings. Cheers ;)

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    Really, very well understood and expressed feeling Duarte. Because that feeling can sometimes be difficult to explain even to ourselves, it is something that rises from the stomach to the chest, then goes to the head and notes that you lose control, without the need for mushrooms.


    Perhaps many times in the forums for that reason the Spanish have been able to lose their minds and get out of control, it is inexplicable but it is how the country was forged and we must keep it registered in some way. You've made me think about all this now, you're truly a genius.

    In dealing with that exciting historical moment I mean of course. At present we must seek harmony between peoples and ethnicities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Really, very well understood and expressed feeling Duarte. Because that feeling can sometimes be difficult to explain even to ourselves, it is something that rises from the stomach to the chest, then goes to the head and notes that you lose control, without the need for mushrooms.


    Perhaps many times in the forums for that reason the Spanish have been able to lose their minds and get out of control, it is inexplicable but it is how the country was forged and we must keep it registered in some way. You've made me think about all this now, you're truly a genius.

    In dealing with that exciting historical moment I mean of course. At present we must seek harmony between peoples and ethnicities.
    Oh dear friend. Thanks. Genius I am not, but I know the sentiment of a people who know what is their true cultural legacy is and I understand the defense of this legacy as totally legitimate. :)


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