Albanian Gedmatch Results

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MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Caucasian37.69
2Neolithic29.65
3Steppe16.38
4NorthEastEuropean15.73
5SouthEastAsian0.29
6Ancestor0.24
7Australian0.02


Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Greek (Thessaloniki)5.4
2Albanian (Albania)5.84
3Kosovar (Kosovo)5.91
4Greek (Greece)7.03
5Italian (Tuscany)7.4
6Bulgarian (Bulgaria)8.03
7Bulgarian (Bulgaria)8.06
8Macedonian (Macedonia)8.11
9Greek (Peloponnes)8.32
10Gagauz (Gagauzia)8.7
11Greek (Macedonia)9.19
12Greek (Athens)9.33
13Italian (NorthIitaly)9.44
14Italian (Abruzzo)9.74
15Romanian (Romania)9.78
16Romanian (Gorj)9.88
17Montenegrian (Montenegro)10.06
18Italian (Friul)10.52
19Italian (Bergamo)10.52
20Serbian (Serbia)10.69


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 76.7%Italian (Bergamo)+23.3%Georgian (Megrelia)@4.57
2 66.8%German (Germany)+33.2%Turk (Trabzon)@4.58
3 75.9%Italian (Bergamo)+24.1%Adygei (Adygea)@4.72
4 63%French (France)+37%Turk (Trabzon)@4.76
5 66.7%Greek (Athens)+33.3%German (Germany)@4.78
6 77.7%Italian (Bergamo)+22.3%Turk (Trabzon)@4.91
7 77.4%Italian (Bergamo)+22.6%Abhkasian (Abkhasia)@4.99
8 76.9%Italian (Bergamo)+23.1%Georgians (Zugdidi)@5.08
9 89.9%Greek (Thessaloniki)+10.1%German (Germany)@5.09
10 75.5%Italian (Bergamo)+24.5%Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny)@5.09
11 84.8%Greek (Thessaloniki)+15.2%Italian (Bergamo)@5.14
12 75.9%Italian (Bergamo)+24.1%Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria)@5.14
13 75%Italian (Bergamo)+25%Kumyk (Dagestan)@5.14
14 92.1%Greek (Thessaloniki)+7.9%French (France)@5.15
15 93.2%Greek (Thessaloniki)+6.8%Irish (Connacht)@5.18
16 94%Greek (Thessaloniki)+6%Scottish (Argyll_bute)@5.18
17 93.6%Greek (Thessaloniki)+6.4%English (Cornwall)@5.18
18 92.8%Greek (Thessaloniki)+7.2%Dutch (Netherlands)@5.19
19 96.3%Greek (Thessaloniki)+3.7%Basque (France)@5.19
20 93.5%Greek (Thessaloniki)+6.5%Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands)@5.19

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Admixture Proportions

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1East_Med20.14
2West_Med16.74
3North_Sea16.41
4Baltic14.84
5West_Asian14.81
6Atlantic12.1
7Eastern_Euro3.36
8Red_Sea1.13
9Oceanian0.42
10Amerindian0.05


Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Greek_Thessaly5.78
2Bulgarian8.51
3Greek8.97
4Romanian9.77
5Central_Greek11.12
6Italian_Abruzzo11.58
7Tuscan11.86
8East_Sicilian12.41
9Ashkenazi12.98
10Serbian13.59
11West_Sicilian14.25
12South_Italian14.28
13North_Italian14.96
14Moldavian17.56
15Italian_Jewish19.17
16Hungarian19.25
17Croatian19.84
18Austrian20.15
19Sephardic_Jewish20.48
20Algerian_Jewish20.8


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 75.9%Greek_Thessaly+24.1%Romanian@5.14
2 87.8%Greek_Thessaly+12.2%Hungarian@5.17
3 72.8%Greek_Thessaly+27.2%Bulgarian@5.2
4 90.7%Greek_Thessaly+9.3%Ukrainian_Lviv@5.2
5 91.2%Greek_Thessaly+8.8%South_Polish@5.22
6 92.7%Greek_Thessaly+7.3%Swedish@5.24
7 90.4%Greek_Thessaly+9.6%East_German@5.25
8 87.5%Greek_Thessaly+12.5%Moldavian@5.25
9 91.5%Greek_Thessaly+8.5%Ukrainian@5.26
10 93.5%Greek_Thessaly+6.5%Lithuanian@5.27
11 89%Greek_Thessaly+11%Croatian@5.27
12 92.2%Greek_Thessaly+7.8%North_German@5.29
13 93.5%Greek_Thessaly+6.5%Estonian@5.3
14 93%Greek_Thessaly+7%North_Dutch@5.31
15 93.6%Greek_Thessaly+6.4%West_Norwegian@5.32
16 92.7%Greek_Thessaly+7.3%Polish@5.33
17 93.4%Greek_Thessaly+6.6%Norwegian@5.33
18 92.8%Greek_Thessaly+7.2%Ukrainian_Belgorod@5.33
19 92.8%Greek_Thessaly+7.2%Russian_Smolensk@5.34
20 93.4%Greek_Thessaly+6.6%Belorussian@5.35



puntDNAL K15 Admixture Proportions

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Mediterranean35.35
2NE_European34.86
3Caucasian21.01
4SW_Asian6.33
5Horn_Of_Africa1.03
6Amerindian0.42
7Omo_River0.42
8Beringian0.34
9Siberian0.23

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Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Greek_Thessaly3.27
2Albanian5.19
3Montenegrin5.59
4Greek_Central5.59
5Italian6.08
6Tuscan6.24
7Bulgarian6.54
8Romanian7.12
9Macedonian8.04
10Bosnian10.45
11Serbian14.07
12Ashkenazy_Jew14.33
13Portuguese14.78
14Spaniard15.33
15Brazilian15.41
16Sicilian15.5
17French17.02
18Sephardic_Jew18.19
19South_German19.35
20Croatian19.56


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 71.9%Greek_Thessaly+28.1%Macedonian@0.99
2 81.9%Greek_Thessaly+18.1%Serbian@1
3 75.5%Greek_Central+24.5%French@1.02
4 89%Greek_Thessaly+11%Scottish@1.04
5 77.8%Greek_Central+22.2%South_German@1.04
6 88.3%Greek_Thessaly+11.7%English@1.05
7 89.1%Greek_Thessaly+10.9%North_German@1.06
8 89.7%Greek_Thessaly+10.3%Norwegian@1.08
9 78.5%Greek_Central+21.5%Utahn_White@1.08
10 56.2%Greek_Central+43.8%Romanian@1.08
11 86.7%Greek_Thessaly+13.3%Utahn_White@1.08
12 88%Greek_Thessaly+12%Irish@1.08
13 86.2%Greek_Thessaly+13.8%South_German@1.09
14 88.5%Greek_Thessaly+11.5%Orcadian@1.09
15 90.4%Greek_Thessaly+9.6%Swedish@1.11
16 59.2%Greek_Central+40.8%Macedonian@1.12
17 80.9%Greek_Central+19.1%English@1.15
18 84.7%Greek_Thessaly+15.3%French@1.15
19 54.1%Greek_Central+45.9%Bulgarian@1.17
20 69.8%Greek_Thessaly+30.2%Romanian@1.19

Dodecad V3 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Mediterranean33.91
2West_European25.62
3West_Asian22.03
4East_European12.33
5Southwest_Asian5.62
6Northwest_African0.41
7Northeast_Asian0.06



Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Tuscan (Xing)8.96
2TSI (HapMap)9.91
3Tuscan (Henn)9.97
4Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)10.92
5O_Italian (Dodecad)11.58
6Romanians_14 (Behar)11.95
7Ashkenazi (Dodecad)12.2
8C_Italian (Dodecad)13.48
9Greek (Dodecad)14.61
10Tuscan (HGDP)15.47
11N_Italian (Dodecad)15.92
12S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)16.73
13Balkans (Dodecad)16.75
14Sicilian (Dodecad)18.19
15Morocco_Jews (Behar)18.58
16S_Italian (Dodecad)19.44
17North_Italian (HGDP)20.15
18Slovenian (Xing)21.46
19Sephardic_Jews (Behar)21.94
20Hungarians (Behar)22.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 75.2%Greek (Dodecad)+24.8%Swedish (Dodecad)@2.94
2 76%Greek (Dodecad)+24%Norwegian (Dodecad)@3.43
3 52.5%S_Italian (Dodecad)+47.5%Slovenian (Xing)@3.82
4 68.2%Greek (Dodecad)+31.8%N._European (Xing)@3.83
5 51.4%Cypriots (Behar)+48.6%German (Dodecad)@3.94
6 68.1%Greek (Dodecad)+31.9%German (Dodecad)@3.99
7 56.5%S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)+43.5%Slovenian (Xing)@4.08
8 57.4%Slovenian (Xing)+42.6%Cypriots (Behar)@4.12
9 68.9%Greek (Dodecad)+31.1%Argyll (1000 Genomes)@4.15
10 69.8%S_Italian (Dodecad)+30.2%FIN (1000Genomes)@4.24
11 71.4%Greek (Dodecad)+28.6%Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)@4.24
12 55.5%TSI (HapMap)+44.5%Romanians_14 (Behar)@4.28
13 58.6%Tuscan (Xing)+41.4%Romanians_14 (Behar)@4.3
14 71.5%S_Italian (Dodecad)+28.5%Finnish (Dodecad)@4.49
15 69.7%Greek (Dodecad)+30.3%Orkney (1000 Genomes)@4.53
16 74.6%S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)+25.4%Finnish (Dodecad)@4.55
17 69.4%Greek (Dodecad)+30.6%Orcadian (HGDP)@4.59
18 67.9%Greek (Dodecad)+32.1%CEU (HapMap)@4.62
19 55.6%Tuscan (Henn)+44.4%Romanians_14 (Behar)@4.8
20 57.3%S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)+42.7%Hungarians (Behar)@4.84

FTDNA autosomal is interesting:

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livingDNA gives me 98.8% Aegean and 1.2% British Isles.
 
This shows you are actually greek. Even though there is an arvanite old immigration to Thesaly, their impact should not have profoundly changed their DNA.
 
This shows you are actually greek. Even though there is an arvanite old immigration to Thesaly, their impact should not have profoundly changed their DNA.

My Y-DNA subclade is E-V13 Berisha-Sopi cluster. Quite specific among North Albanians.
 
if this results are right you are an ancient Macedonian. HOW FAR CAN YOU TRACE YOUR ORIGIN BY DOCUMENTATION?
 
^^Are you holding out on us? You have an ancient Macedonian sample for comparison????
 
[h=2]Gedmatch.Com[/h][h=2]MDLP K16 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle[/h][FONT=&quot]This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4[/FONT]

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Caucasian31.66
2Neolithic29.66
3Steppe16.44
4NorthEastEuropean15.90
5NorthAfrican4.03


Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kosovar_Kosovo @ 5.517442
2 Italian_Tuscany @ 5.550957
3 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 6.089726
4 Macedonian_Macedonia @ 6.571898
5 Romanian_Gorj @ 6.837037
6 Italian_Friul @ 6.922196
7 Bulgarian_Bulgaria @ 7.004812
8 Albanian_Albania @ 7.158790
9 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 7.171329
10 Corsican_Corsica @ 7.478145
11 Italian_Bergamo @ 7.658819
12 Bulgarian_Bulgaria @ 7.773789
13 Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 7.822875
14 Greek_Greece @ 7.965331
15 Gagauz_Gagauzia @ 7.969672
16 Romanian_Apuseni @ 8.025558
17 Romanian_Romania @ 8.418855
18 Swiss_Switzerland @ 8.554920
19 Serbian_Serbia @ 8.784595
20 Greek_Peloponnes @ 9.572340

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +50% Greek_Athens @ 3.405587


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Germany +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Turk_Trabzon @ 2.429218


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 German_Germany + Spanish_Spain + Spanish_Galicia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.405845
2 German_Germany + Spanish_Spain + Spanish_Murcia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.422127
3 German_Germany + German_Germany + Spanish_Murcia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.429218
4 German_Germany + Spanish_Spain + Spanish_Cataluna + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.485558
5 German_Germany + Spanish_Spain + Spanish_Extremadura + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.492173
6 German_Germany + German_Germany + Spanish_Canarias + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.504178
7 Hungarian_Budapest + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.513301
8 German_Germany + German_Germany + Spanish_Andalucia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.532966
9 German_Germany + Spanish_Spain + Spanish_Andalucia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.558950
10 Hungarian_Budapest + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Valencia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.566865
11 German_Germany + Spanish_Baleares + Spanish_Galicia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.571206
12 Croat_Croatia + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.574387
13 German_Germany + Spanish_Spain + Spanish_Valencia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.579964
14 Hungarian_Hungary + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.581404
15 German_Germany + Spanish_Spain + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.584052
16 Hungarian_Budapest + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.599833
17 Croat_Croatia + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.602919
18 Hungarian_Hungary + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.610102
19 Croat_Croatia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.625388
20 Hungarian_Hungary + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.625654

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puntDNAL K15 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Mediterranean37.48
2NE_European34.83
3Caucasian16.87
4SW_Asian6.49
5Horn_Of_Africa1.75
6E_Asian1.48


Finished reading population data. 157 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian @ 3.474872
2 Montenegrin @ 4.411736
3 Albanian @ 5.074699
4 Bulgarian @ 6.261489
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.738791
6 Romanian @ 6.993570
7 Tuscan @ 7.046173
8 Macedonian @ 8.887180
9 Greek_Central @ 9.383031
10 Portuguese @ 12.153571
11 Bosnian @ 12.312151
12 Spaniard @ 12.923020
13 Brazilian @ 13.167256
14 Serbian @ 15.597919
15 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 16.040031
16 French @ 17.167164
17 Sicilian @ 17.388763
18 South_German @ 20.230896
19 Sephardic_Jew @ 20.618008
20 Utahn_White @ 21.137497

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Montenegrin +50% Albanian @ 1.958186


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +25% Basque +25% Samaritian @ 1.820556


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French + Bosnian + Spaniard + Cypriot @ 1.559721
2 South_German + Macedonian + Spaniard + Cypriot @ 1.580264
3 French + Bulgarian + Albanian + Sicilian @ 1.585715
4 South_German + Spaniard + Bulgarian + Cypriot @ 1.604194
5 French + Romanian + Albanian + Sicilian @ 1.611210
6 Lithuanian + Italian + Sardinian + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.615016
7 French + Bulgarian + Tuscan + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.616727
8 French + Macedonian + Spaniard + Cypriot @ 1.624212
9 French + Romanian + Tuscan + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.655474
10 French + Montenegrin + Albanian + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.656199
11 French + Bulgarian + Albanian + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.663461
12 South_German + Spaniard + Romanian + Cypriot @ 1.669072
13 Utahn_White + Spaniard + Bulgarian + Cypriot @ 1.675894
14 French + Romanian + Albanian + Sephardic_Jew @ 1.697778
15 Hungarian + Spaniard + Italian + Cypriot @ 1.698021
16 Serbian + Spaniard + Greek_Central + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.702154
17 Norwegian + Hungarian + Sardinian + Assyrian @ 1.702559
18 Norwegian + Austrian + Sardinian + Assyrian @ 1.708012
19 Serbian + Spaniard + Greek_Thessaly + Sicilian @ 1.718469
20 French + Montenegrin + Albanian + Sicilian @ 1.719811

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[h=2]puntDNAL K10 Ancient 4-Ancestors Oracle[/h]This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1ENF39.22
2WHG32.56
3CHG24.46
4Amerindian2.43
5Siberian1.06


Finished reading population data. 108 populations found.
10 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 3.404233
2 Tuscan @ 4.205641
3 Greek @ 4.411087
4 Italian_South @ 5.083319
5 Italian_North @ 6.316337
6 Bulgarian @ 7.543826
7 Sicilian @ 11.582650
8 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 11.638170
9 French @ 13.089755
10 Spanish_Southwest @ 13.815832
11 Spanish_Northeast @ 15.274633
12 Croatian @ 16.325411
13 German_South @ 16.341951
14 Hungarian @ 17.746143
15 Utahn_white @ 18.820112
16 Sephardic_Jew @ 19.315048
17 Irish @ 19.590708
18 English_South @ 20.929407
19 Turkish_Aydin @ 22.090803
20 German_North @ 22.600891

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.538877


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +25% Sardinian +25% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.264708


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Estonian + Sardinian + Ashkenazi_Jew + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.121333
2 Scottish_West + Sardinian + Bulgarian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.197611
3 English_South + Sardinian + Bulgarian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.209031
4 Basque_Spanish + Scottish_West + Sephardic_Jew + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.244288
5 Hungarian + Hungarian + Sardinian + Iraqi_Jew @ 2.264708
6 Hungarian + Spanish_Southwest + Albanian + Cypriot @ 2.287249
7 Scottish_West + Spanish_Northeast + Ashkenazi_Jew + Cypriot @ 2.298505
8 Hungarian + Hungarian + Sardinian + Assyrian @ 2.300096
9 Irish + Hungarian + Sardinian + Iraqi_Jew @ 2.300574
10 Irish + Sardinian + Bulgarian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.308770
11 Hungarian + Spanish_Southwest + Sardinian + Abkhasian @ 2.309950
12 English_South + Hungarian + Sardinian + Iraqi_Jew @ 2.316780
13 Croatian + Spanish_Northeast + Sardinian + Abkhasian @ 2.319366
14 English_South + Spanish_Southwest + Sardinian + Abkhasian @ 2.329626
15 Irish + Spanish_Southwest + Sardinian + Abkhasian @ 2.331886
16 German_South + Sardinian + Italian_South + Kumyk @ 2.336155
17 Scottish_West + Sardinian + Sicilian + Kumyk @ 2.340324
18 Hungarian + Spanish_Northeast + Sardinian + Georgian @ 2.349679
19 Basque_Spanish + Scottish_West + Ashkenazi_Jew + Iraqi_Jew @ 2.351871
20 Scottish_West + Albanian + Italian_South + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.354934

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G25 Model

Target: AC_scaled
Distance: 2.3967% / 0.02396666
94.0 Southern_Europe
4.8 Western_Europe
1.2 East_Asia



Distance to: AC_scaled
0.02639508 Southern_Europe:Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03693863 Southern_Europe:Bulgarian
0.04552827 Southern_Europe:Italian_Bergamo
0.05876807 Southern_Europe:Sicilian_East
0.05878750 Southern_Europe:Spanish_Andalucia
0.05970204 Southern_Europe
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ortuguese
0.06274470 Western_Europe:French_Auvergne
0.06323644 Southern_Europe:Spanish_Valencia
0.07517540 Western_Europe:Belgian
0.07594046 Eastern_Europe:Hungarian
0.07832863 Southern_Europe:Spanish_Asturias
0.08317272 Western_Europe:German
0.09745185 Western_Europe:English
0.10319285 Western_Europe:Irish
0.10608261 Middle_East:Turkish_Central
0.10749825 Eastern_Europe
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olish
0.10768508 Eastern_Europe:Ukrainian
0.10842489 Northern_Europe:Swedish
0.11104422 Northern_Europe:Icelandic
0.11694972 Middle_East:Lebanese_Christian
0.12299287 Eastern_Europe:Russian_Smolensk
0.12685249 Middle_East:Assyrian
0.13069549 Eastern_Europe:Lithuanian_PA
0.16141992 Middle_East:Iranian_Mazandarani
0.17084764 South_Asia
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arsi_Pakistan

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G25 Distance Maps to Modern Europeans

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Tolan K71 calculator using Admixture Studio on more accurate (slow) mode, took 17 hours to calculate:
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^^Are you holding out on us? You have an ancient Macedonian sample for comparison????

this Macedonian thing is becoming complicated. Northern Macedonian, Greek Macedonia. What is the difference? Both are Slavic and ancient Macedonian mixtures
 
Tutkun, the point is that until we have "ancient" Macedonian genomes there's no way anyone to know who is more similar to them.

All the rest is speculation.

My personal takeaway from Progon's gedmatch results is how "bad" these gedmatch calculators are at figuring out Southern Europeans. Dodecad v3 can perhaps be excused because its so old, but the others are just as bad or worse.

That's also why I take the mytrueancestry results with a bit of salt. It's largely based on the K15 test and look how bad the fits are for him.
 
I knew they are not so accurate, but not to this degree actually.

As far as i can see from various calculators i have higher Caucasus than the average Albanian, and just slightly more Northern European.
 
Autosomally, Italians particularly Southern Italians, Albanians and Greeks are very close.
 
Tutkun, the point is that until we have "ancient" Macedonian genomes there's no way anyone to know who is more similar to them.

All the rest is speculation.

My personal takeaway from Progon's gedmatch results is how "bad" these gedmatch calculators are at figuring out Southern Europeans. Dodecad v3 can perhaps be excused because its so old, but the others are just as bad or worse.

That's also why I take the mytrueancestry results with a bit of salt. It's largely based on the K15 test and look how bad the fits are for him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRz8uERFQ2g
 
Yep, you can include Tuscans too.

Dosas (Greek member) on this thread on anthrogenica (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...nnese-Thessaly-Izmir-etc)&p=626417#post626417) did me the honor of including my coordinates on the PCA. You can see how close I plot.
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My G25 coordinates yielded this on the calculator:

Scaled:
0.02639508 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02798197 Albanian
0.03231981 Swiss_Italian
0.03358316 Moldavian
0.03551570 Greek_Thessaly
0.03693863 Bulgarian
0.03703262 Greek_Peloponnese
0.03756595 Italian_Tuscany
0.03872656 Italian_Piedmont
0.03908284 Gagauz

Unscaled:
0.01598550 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.01717197 Greek_Peloponnese
0.01855310 Greek_Izmir
0.01900119 Albanian
0.01967526 Moldavian
0.02016515 Montenegrin
0.02066099 Romanian
0.02068590 Bulgarian
0.02195740 Swiss_Italian
0.02196469 Macedonian

Meaning the calculator puts me closer to Greeks autosomally than to Albanians. While for some other Greek members on that forum, they plot closer to Albanians than to Greeks. The consensus seems to be that Albanians and Greeks have an overlap on PCA where both ethnicites plot.

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Courtesy of Michalis Moriopoulos from Anthrogenica. (Greeks in Aqua, Italians in Orange, Western Jews in Purple.)

TonyC Greek member from Anthrogenica results using Eurogenes Global 25 Full Moderns Spreadsheet Runs with Gradient Descent Algorithm (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...radient-Descent-Algorithm&p=628189#post628189)

distance%: 0.85

Albanian 50.29
Greek 19.88
Italian_Campania 17.85
Italian_South 11.97

TonyC using Sorcelow Ancient Calculator Oracle (
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19054-Sorcelow-Ancient-calculator-Oracle/page10)

Distance: 2.6634% / 0.02663363
58.0 Central_Med
26.8 Steppe
8.0 Baltic
7.2 West_Asian


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "34.9% Italian_Molise + 65.1% Albanian" "4.1265"
[2,] "26.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 73.8% Albanian" "4.6996"
[3,] "23.8% Italian_Apulia + 76.2% Albanian" "4.8471"
[4,] "19.1% Italian_Campania + 80.9% Albanian" "4.9618"
[5,] "16.2% Italian_Calabria + 83.8% Albanian" "5.016"
[6,] "9.2% Greek_Kos + 90.8% Albanian" "5.3671"
[7,] "19% Greek_Smyrna + 81% Albanian" "5.4026"
[8,] "19% Greek_Phokaia + 81% Albanian" "5.4175"
[9,] "9.2% Italian_Tuscan + 90.8% Albanian" "5.5753"
[10,] "9.6% Maltese + 90.4% Albanian" "5.5912"
[11,] "5.9% Italian_Jew + 94.1% Albanian" "5.6194"
[12,] "3.6% Greek_Central_Anatolia + 96.4% Albanian" "5.6456"
[13,] "2.7% Sardinian + 97.3% Albanian" "5.6533"
[14,] "6.8% Sicilian_East + 93.2% Albanian" "5.6625"
[15,] "5.5% Greek_Crete + 94.5% Albanian" "5.6802"

Chatzianastasoglou another Greek member from anthrogenica using Sorcelow Ancient Calculator Oracle

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "19.1% French_Corsica + 80.9% Albanian (N=14)" "2.8097"
[2,] "16.1% Italian_Tuscan + 83.9% Albanian (N=14)" "3.0327"
[3,] "95.8% Albanian (N=14) + 4.2% Sardinian" "3.0732"
[4,] "95.8% Albanian (N=14) + 4.2% Sardinian (N=5)" "3.0856"
[5,] "11.2% Italian_Bergamo + 88.8% Albanian (N=14)" "3.0936"
[6,] "10.3% Italian_Bergamo (N=5) + 89.7% Albanian (N=14)" "3.1678"
[7,] "10.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 89.5% Albanian (N=14)" "3.2856"
[8,] "96.8% Albanian (N=14) + 3.2% Italian_Apulia" "3.3868"
[9,] "99.9% Albanian (N=14) + 0.1% Italian_Calabria" "3.4023"

His G25 distance maps:
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So two Greek members based both on the maps and calculators seem more Albanian then me, meanwhile I seem more Greek. I think its mostly due to the major overlap between Greeks and Albanians on PCA and distance maps.

Meanwhile I:

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G25 Model

Target: AC_scaled
Distance: 2.3967% / 0.02396666
94.0 Southern_Europe
4.8 Western_Europe
1.2 East_Asia



Distance to: AC_scaled
0.02639508 Southern_Europe:Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03693863 Southern_Europe:Bulgarian
0.04552827 Southern_Europe:Italian_Bergamo
0.05876807 Southern_Europe:Sicilian_East
------
Scaled:
0.02639508 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02798197 Albanian
0.03231981 Swiss_Italian
0.03358316 Moldavian
0.03551570 Greek_Thessaly
0.03693863 Bulgarian
0.03703262 Greek_Peloponnese
0.03756595 Italian_Tuscany
0.03872656 Italian_Piedmont
0.03908284 Gagauz

Unscaled:
0.01598550 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.01717197 Greek_Peloponnese
0.01855310 Greek_Izmir
0.01900119 Albanian
0.01967526 Moldavian
0.02016515 Montenegrin
0.02066099 Romanian
0.02068590 Bulgarian
0.02195740 Swiss_Italian
0.02196469 Macedonian
 
Further PCAs showing Greek, Albanian, Italian overlap:
CYxhJf4.png


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gXXmROQ.png

Edit: The Italian component does not overlap in most of these PCAs, however as bigsnake49 pointed out there is autosomal proximity.
 

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