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Distance to: | torziok12b |
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7.31461551 | N_Italian |
10.24966341 | O_Italian |
10.73141650 | North_Italian |
12.22643039 | TSI30 |
13.80326773 | Tuscan |
16.01512098 | C_Italian |
16.27628950 | Romanians |
16.46947479 | Baleares |
17.05822969 | Galicia |
17.07617053 | Bulgarian |
17.12228373 | Bulgarians |
17.86829035 | Extremadura |
17.92111604 | French |
18.08995578 | French |
18.38292414 | Portuguese |
20.19489044 | Murcia |
20.45467184 | Castilla_Y_Leon |
20.48964617 | Cataluna |
20.55820031 | Greek |
20.81762715 | Spaniards |
21.12570946 | Canarias |
21.59592091 | Andalucia |
21.78016988 | Spanish |
22.99629535 | Mixed_Germanic |
23.18748801 | Hungarians |
51.2 | N_Italian | 24.2 | O_Italian | 19.6 | German | 1.8 | Romanians | 1.8 | Tajiks |
Distance to: | Torzio |
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3.14279107 | IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1 |
7.21271793 | CL36_collegno_italy_longobard |
7.47605511 | SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard |
7.54191620 | SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard |
7.62072831 | RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9 |
7.71743481 | CL49_collegno_italy_longobard |
7.83749960 | DA195_Hungary_Scythian |
8.02793871 | SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard |
8.32675207 | DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary |
8.40845408 | SZ45.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard |
8.55622580 | SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard |
8.69714321 | SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard |
8.70789871 | CL23_collegno_italy_longobard |
9.38891900 | SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard |
9.47101367 | SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard |
9.66252038 | IA_Civitavecchia_R474 |
9.66802979 | SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century |
10.28309292 | I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1_2 |
10.32287751 | scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce |
10.45008134 | CL94_collegno_italy_longobard |
10.54462896 | CL57_collegno_italy_longobard |
10.83154190 | ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC |
11.10855526 | SZ18_szolad_hungary_longobard |
11.34702604 | CL47_collegno_italy_longobard |
11.45461916 | I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 |
Distance to: | trentinoCles |
---|---|
4.99492743 | SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard |
6.58473993 | IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1 |
6.88456970 | SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century |
7.26103298 | ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC |
7.46621725 | IA_Civitavecchia_R474 |
7.58897226 | SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard |
7.81855485 | RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9 |
8.14178727 | I7424_morisco |
8.14660666 | CL36_collegno_italy_longobard |
8.25780843 | I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 |
8.84250530 | SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard |
8.90200539 | I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1_2 |
9.50753385 | CL23_collegno_italy_longobard |
9.52839966 | I7424_morisco2 |
9.57641895 | I12647_iberia |
9.73838282 | CL49_collegno_italy_longobard |
9.77061411 | I12647_iberia2 |
9.95622418 | SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard |
10.27542700 | SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard |
10.51157933 | scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce |
10.66541138 | I12516_iberia |
10.93564813 | SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard |
10.94344096 | IA_Civitavecchia_R473 |
11.32243348 | CrusaderSI41KingdomofJerusalem |
11.95757919 | SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard |
3.35070082 | France_Corsica |
5.88253772 | Italy_Tuscany |
6.05046701 | Italy_Emilia |
6.46549999 | Italy_Liguria |
7.41275253 | Italy_Romagna |
7.49533572 | Italy_Lombardy |
9.01179227 | MA_Cancelleria_R1283 |
9.10498215 | IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016 |
9.37771817 | Italy_Marche |
9.40447500 | Italy_Piedmont |
9.40529638 | LA_Celio_R36 |
9.61917356 | IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015 |
9.80181106 | IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1 |
9.81684050 | Italy_Veneto |
10.29759195 | LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118 |
10.41448482 | Italy_Lazio |
10.76144972 | IA_Civitavecchia_R474 |
10.89582948 | IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021 |
10.91793937 | IA_Civitavecchia_R473 |
11.46905892 | Swiss_Italian |
12.79029632 | Italy_Trentino |
12.93960726 | Italy_FriuliVG |
12.94033230 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969 |
13.18377791 | IA_Latin_Ardea_R851 |
13.23101281 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970 |
Does anyone have a link to the part of the Grugni paper where they listed their samples by area? My memory of it is that they used samples only from certain specific areas, and some of them were counterintuitive, as well: Viterbo being their "Central Italian" sample, for example.
These are the K12b results of one of my matches. Mother was from Capri, and father was allegedly from Sicily:
I wonder if the "Turk" samples are from Pontic Greek areas.
I wonder if the "Turk" samples are from Pontic Greek areas.
Once again, we see the problem we always had with using modern samples, i.e. there were no Ashkenazi Jews in Italy until they fled Germany, and some from the end of the 19th century, and even then they were a handful, and mostly in the north, so they can have had nothing to do with the ethnogenesis of southern Italians.
I wonder if the "Turk" samples are from Pontic Greek areas.
Once again, we see the problem we always had with using modern samples, i.e. there were no Ashkenazi Jews in Italy until they fled Germany, and some from the end of the 19th century, and even then they were a handful, and mostly in the north, so they can have had nothing to do with the ethnogenesis of southern Italians.
Here is the samples I've done thus far, with the previous others included:
MA_Villa_Magna_R57,6.89,0,2.97,0.58,27.50,15.59,0,0,0.58,0,34.62,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R58,5.26,0,1.27,0,28.14,15.43,0,0,12.83,0,35.80,0.05
MA_Villa_Magna_R59,4.24,0,2.25,0.19,28.74,15.80,0.31,0,12.53,0.66,34.39,0.88
MA_Villa_Magna_R60,6.75,0.68,3.35,0,27.36,18.94,0,1.54,11.04,0,30.34,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R65,7.61,0,2.22,0.30,28.15,13.40,0,0,12.74,0,35.20,0.38
MA_Villa_Magna_R1290,6.30,0,1.09,0.34,30.16,15.96,0.27,0,12.04,0.09,32.81,0.93
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970,9.25,0,5.12,0.53,29.32,18.41,0,0,7.11,0,30.25,0.01
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973,8.17,0.16,2.94,0,28.76,15.28,0,0,10.56,0.15,33.57,0.40
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969,6.45,0.25,0.99,0,30.40,17.81,0.65,1.10,11.67,0,30.67,0
MA_Cancelleria_R1283,4.58,0,1.73,0,34.27,18.15,0,0.08,11.02,0,29.41,0.75
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121,7.68,0,2.81,0,29.21,18.18,0,0.90,11.76,0,29.47,0
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118,7.28,0.85,1.85,0,34.72,14.81,0,0,11.95,0,28.29,0.24
LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R30,7.67,0,4.49,0.47,27.43,8.56,0.25,1.38,11.74,0.86,37.00,0.24
LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R32,5.90,0,7.07,0.12,29.06,12.90,1.05,1.03,7.57,0,35.31,0
LA_Crypta_Balbi_R107,3.12,0,2.59,0,30.01,16.90,1.72,0,13.16,0,32.50,0
LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110,4.57,1.19,2.38,0.76,41.91,24.74,0.07,0,4.24,0,18.96,0.17
LA_Celio_R36,7.23,0,3.17,0,32.85,20.10,0,0.35,9.77,0,26.50,0.02
LA_Celio_R35,5.62,0,4.55,0.11,28.56,13.42,1.72,0.59,12.58,0,32.74,0.11
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549,9.97,0,3.98,0.04,27.49,20.49,0,0.96,10.94,0.05,26.09,0
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548,10.45,0,1.98,0,23.44,10.87,0,0.17,13.89,0,39.20,0
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1551,14.46,0,0.14,0,10.32,4.49,0,0.80,14.76,0,54.71,0.33
Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836,8.69,0,0.99,0,30.95,15.55,0,0,10.40,0,33.42,0
Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R132,1.95,0,17.82,1.68,24.91,4.20,0,6.73,16.66,0.14,24.20,1.71
Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R134,8.38,0,5.00,0.32,22.37,7.35,0,1.16,15.45,0,39.61,0
Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R136,8.83,0.08,3.88,0,26.08,13.09,0.38,0,12.75,0,34.91,0
Imperial_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_R1543,8.61,0,6.43,0,21.01,9.18,0.27,0.24,15.01,0.04,39.07,0.15
Imperial_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_R1545,7.66,0,1.16,0.13,25.08,8.12,1.02,0.68,15.23,0,40.91,0.01
Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R131,7.30,0.24,0.94,0.57,31.63,13.18,0.27,0,11.79,0,33.23,0.84
Imperial_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis_R37,2.14,1.00,2.70,0,50.70,31.46,0,0,4.24,0,7.65,0.12
Imperial_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis_R38,11.97,0.24,2.94,0,17.99,1.99,0.16,0.30,18.03,0,46.26,0.13
IA_Latin_Ardea_R850,7.30,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.10,0
IA_Latin_Ardea_R851,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
IA_Civitavecchia_R475,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.70,0.42
IA_Civitavecchia_R474,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
IA_Civitavecchia_R473,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0.21,20.17,0.34
IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015,1.56,0.19,2.85,0,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.50,0.40
IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.10,0
IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021,2.11,0,1.96,0.60,47.70,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
N_Grotta_Continenza_R2,0,0,3.98,0,54.75,0,0,0,11.90,0,29.37,0
N_Grotta_Continenza_R8,0,0,2.83,0,53.23,0,0,0,13.82,0.25,29.87,0
N_Grotta_Continenza_R9,0,0,3.27,0,50.85,0,0,0,13.25,0,32.63,0
Distance to: | torziok12b |
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4.65249395 | IA_Civitavecchia_R474 |
4.86300319 | IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1 |
7.31461551 | N_Italian |
8.04563857 | LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110 |
10.24966341 | O_Italian |
10.73141650 | North_Italian |
10.85074652 | LA_Celio_R36 |
12.22643039 | TSI30 |
13.78514055 | Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549 |
13.80326773 | Tuscan |
14.00105710 | IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435 |
14.07171987 | IA_Civitavecchia_R473 |
14.17553174 | MA_Cancelleria_R1283 |
14.20135205 | IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015 |
14.41937585 | IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021 |
14.47632550 | IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016 |
15.47923771 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970 |
15.48482160 | IA_Latin_Ardea_R851 |
15.69879932 | LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121 |
16.01512098 | C_Italian |
16.10745480 | MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969 |
16.22593911 | LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118 |
16.27628950 | Romanians |
16.46947479 | Baleares |
16.47231010 | MA_Villa_Magna_R60 |
53.4 | IA_Civitavecchia_R474 | 46.6 | IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1 |
Pontic Greeks usually end up more like the Armenians than the Turks.
I don't find G25 completely accurate, but that's the current situation.
Where there are so many populations the labels don't match perfectly own their clusters.
The Pontian Greeks cluster close to Hamshen Armenians and Georgian Laz (and of course the Trabzon_Turks with no C.Asian admix) not with the rest of the Turkish population. Overlapping Greeks and Turks can be from areas like Asian Minor, Istanbul, and Cappadocia.
PCA and distances using G25 population averages:
Well, the western Black Sea coast could be the heavily Balkan admixed "Turks" of the far northwest, and central might make sense as well, but there's no way Southern Italians could be that related to Crimean Tatars with their heavy Turkic input.
Something weird is going on all of a sudden with these calculators since the Grugni/Raveane samples were added. Who prepared them for upload to calculators?
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