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**Angela** · 09-01-20, 16:05

Well, Iberians aren't getting the "Balkan/Greek" part of the spectrum, so it makes sense as we know the Philistines were probably of Aegean origin and/or Sardinian/Southern Italian.

Even as a North/Central Italian who never gets Greek Islanders they're extremely far from me, although there seems to be variation. Perhaps they were already partly admixed with locals?

17.27458827	ASH068_Iron_Age1
32.23829400	ASH067_Iron_Age1
39.09207720	ASH066_Iron_Age1
40.66160597	ASH029_Late_Bronze_Age
43.12474000	ASH034_Late_Bronze_Age
46.10386318	ASH087_Iron_Age2
46.28961979	ASH135_Iron_Age2
46.33470621	ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age
46.39951616	ASH008_Iron_Age2
54.86118664	ASH2-3_Iron_Age1

**Regio X** · 09-01-20, 16:17

Eurogenes K15 updated spreadsheet

Myself - FTDNA data
Regio X (FTDNA),18.00,27.25,7.31,5.55,18.05,10.25,11.91,1. 69,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

Distance to:	RegioX(FTDNA)
5.81139398	Italy_Piedmont
7.64256501	North_Italian
7.83471123	Italy_Friuli
7.98424699	Italy_Veneto
9.11083970	Italy_Liguria
9.12168296	Italy_Trentino
9.28586022	Spanish_Cataluna
9.57438771	Italy_Lombardy
9.61379738	Spanish_Extremadura
9.81374546	Spanish_Murcia
9.97592101	Italy_Aostavalley
10.07510298	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
10.08800278	Portuguese
10.09617749	Spanish_Andalucia
10.40860221	Spanish_Valencia
11.00705228	France-South
11.05604812	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
11.16201595	Italy_Tuscany
11.49385923	Spanish_Galicia
11.67317009	Austria-Tyrol
11.83990287	Italy_Emiliaromagna
12.69125683	Spanish_Cantabria
12.80010547	Tuscan
13.20445001	French
13.36710515	Spanish_Aragon

Myself - 23andMe data
Regio X (23andMe),17.66,27.71,7.12,5.68,18.19,10.27,11.57, 1.79,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

Distance to:	RegioX(23andMe)
6.27479880	Italy_Piedmont
7.97563791	North_Italian
8.42604890	Italy_Friuli
8.59940696	Italy_Veneto
9.24076837	Spanish_Cataluna
9.51460456	Spanish_Extremadura
9.61484269	Italy_Liguria
9.69180582	Italy_Trentino
9.71839493	Spanish_Murcia
9.76026639	Spanish_Andalucia
9.97705868	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
10.10194536	Italy_Lombardy
10.10349444	Spanish_Valencia
10.14796531	Portuguese
10.33478592	Italy_Aostavalley
10.66746455	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
11.09341246	France-South
11.62681384	Spanish_Galicia
11.64566014	Italy_Tuscany
12.05481232	Austria-Tyrol
12.37268362	Italy_Emiliaromagna
12.37773808	Spanish_Cantabria
12.98425585	Spanish_Aragon
13.12186343	Southwest_French
13.18023141	Tuscan

**Regio X** · 09-01-20, 16:20

Eurogenes K15 updated spreadsheet

Father - 23andMe data
Father (23andMe),19.38,21.32,9.23,5.85,18.59,8.54,14.39,1 .08,1.62,0,0,0,0,0,0

Distance to:	Father(23andMe)
2.83185452	Italy_Friuli
3.10404575	Italy_Veneto
4.78541534	Italy_Trentino
5.84746099	Italy_Piedmont
5.91065986	Italy_Liguria
6.23081857	North_Italian
6.56878984	Italy_Lombardy
7.51052595	Italy_Emiliaromagna
7.53882617	Italy_Tuscany
9.62334661	Albanian-Kosovo
10.17740635	Tuscan
10.18480731	Italy_Aostavalley
10.62274917	Austria-Tyrol
10.98721479	Kosovo_Albanian
11.13799354	Portuguese
11.45726407	Spanish_Galicia
11.65253620	South_Serbian
11.76717919	Montenegrin
11.80491423	Macedonian_2
11.84513402	Albanian-Macedonia
11.91277885	Spanish_Cataluna
12.09184022	Spanish_Extremadura
12.11399191	Albanian-North
12.11897685	Italy_Marche
12.32470623	Macedonian

**Regio X** · 09-01-20, 16:22

Eurogenes K15 updated spreadsheet

Mother - 23andMe data
Mother (23andMe),21.49,23.29,8.51,5.84,19.59,8.92,10.22,1 .95,0,0,0,0.18,0,0,0

Distance to:	Mother(23andMe)
4.29228377	Italy_Piedmont
5.32244305	Italy_Veneto
5.48666565	Italy_Trentino
6.38738601	Italy_Friuli
6.44797643	Italy_Aostavalley
8.14300927	North_Italian
8.20082313	Austria-Tyrol
8.23156729	Italy_Lombardy
8.50304651	Spanish_Galicia
8.65068783	Portuguese
9.08626436	Spanish_Cataluna
9.10936880	Italy_Liguria
9.25953563	France-South
9.88733028	Spanish_Extremadura
10.09185315	French
10.24220191	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
10.84050737	Spanish_Murcia
11.22629948	Italy_Tuscany
11.41492444	Italy_Emiliaromagna
12.58583331	Spanish_Andalucia
12.66361718	Spanish_Valencia
12.78953478	German_Bavarian
12.94397157	Spanish_Cantabria
13.11978658	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.97852281	Tuscan

**Regio X** · 09-01-20, 16:27

Originally Posted by Regio X

It worked well for me and my parents, but my mother got Trentino at first, before Veneto, and she's Venetian in ancestry. My father and I got Veneto at first.

It seems K13 worked better than K15 for us.

**Regio X** · 09-01-20, 17:05

Originally Posted by Duarte

Eurogenes K15 updated spreadsheet.

Source excluded (Vahaduo default):
Italy_Aostavalley,26.62,25.03,7.48,4.39,17.71,6.75 ,9.38,1.80,0.00,0.02,0.17,0.19,0.14,0.15,0.16
Italy_Piedmont,21.38,25.13,7.86,4.01,19.32,6.70,12 .69,2.19,0.11,0.01,0.06,0.12,0.24,0.13,0.03
Italy_Trentino,21.92,21.72,11.28,5.55,18.46,5.83,1 3.09,1.32,0.00,0.03,0.11,0.16,0.47,0.06,0.00
Italy_Abruzzo,11.25,15.03,6.36,2.91,16.39,15.65,26 .38,5.48,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.00,0.23,0.17,0.07
Italy_Apulia,9.50,14.93,6.66,2.94,17.44,14.90,27.2 4,4.99,0.03,0.05,0.00,0.18,0.58,0.55,0.01
Italy_Calabria,8.07,12.92,4.55,1.98,17.48,15.12,31 .66,6.46,0.13,0.11,0.04,0.09,0.36,0.97,0.07
Italy_Campania,8.83,15.10,5.33,2.06,18.31,14.96,29 .68,5.57,0.12,0.14,0.04,0.06,0.13,0.56,0.08
Italy_Central_Sicily,8.94,14.64,4.78,1.31,17.60,14 .12,29.14,6.68,0.05,0.15,0.03,0.14,0.20,1.84,0.36
Italy_East_Sicily,8.07,12.81,4.41,1.82,18.07,15.44 ,30.59,6.26,0.22,0.18,0.13,0.07,0.23,1.20,0.48
Italy_West_Sicily,9.37,13.38,4.79,1.71,18.12,13.93 ,30.01,5.89,0.32,0.25,0.05,0.16,0.21,0.98,0.85
Italy_Emiliaromagna,17.94,19.13,7.04,3.17,20.08,8. 91,19.65,3.29,0.03,0.12,0.00,0.04,0.29,0.15,0.02
Italy_Friuli,19.00,21.50,10.42,6.03,17.50,7.38,14. 76,2.41,0.28,0.15,0.02,0.34,0.06,0.13,0.00
Italy_Lazio,15.18,17.36,7.06,2.43,19.99,9.92,23.83 ,3.74,0.07,0.14,0.03,0.10,0.03,0.05,0.09
Italy_Liguria,18.23,21.71,6.84,3.24,20.21,7.98,17. 82,3.03,0.11,0.17,0.07,0.23,0.24,0.03,0.08
Italy_Lombardy,21.50,22.45,6.34,2.73,20.71,6.38,16 .91,2.27,0.11,0.21,0.08,0.06,0.16,0.07,0.00
Italy_Marche,15.34,17.26,5.97,2.22,19.56,11.73,22. 54,4.32,0.21,0.10,0.00,0.37,0.10,0.27,0.07
Italy_Tuscany,17.25,20.05,6.52,2.79,20.41,9.07,19. 20,3.54,0.57,0.25,0.02,0.06,0.14,0.08,0.02
Italy_Veneto,21.07,21.37,8.50,5.45,18.65,7.15,14.6 9,2.42,0.14,0.18,0.05,0.08,0.15,0.09,0.00

Source included (Salento):
Italia_Val_d_Aosta,25.41,24.37,9.11,2.14,18.18,5.1 8,12.89,1.82,0,0.14,0.26,0.05,0.23,0.14,0.03
Italia_Piemonte,19.28,23.71,7.82,4.67,19.93,6.66,1 4.21,2.82,0.6,0.01,0.1,0.09,0.15,0.01,0.17
Italia_Ticino,22.8,23.57,6.92,5.78,20.65,4.11,13.1 5,2.55,0,0,0,0.21,0.02,0.19,0
Italia_Insubria,20.25,23.17,6.95,2.68,21.05,6.51,1 6.43,2.23,0.02,0.19,0.04,0.04,0.11,0.15,0.03
Italia_Lombardia,19.84,22.41,6.98,3.53,20.32,7.22, 15.92,2.73,0.34,0.2,0.12,0,0.22,0.03,0.02
Italia_Orobia,18.64,23.16,7.08,3.13,21.11,6.94,16. 78,2.39,0.13,0.11,0.12,0.06,0.12,0.15,0
Italia_Bergamo,17.2,24.91,6.3,3.61,21.1,7.11,16.52 ,2.7,0.08,0.11,0.04,0,0.16,0.12,0
Italia_Brescia,18.29,23.54,6.24,3.38,21.57,6.58,17 .99,1.88,0.13,0,0.15,0.13,0.01,0.05,0
Italia_Trentino,21.17,21.45,9.97,5.67,19.19,5.71,1 4.14,1.6,0,0.08,0.05,0.34,0.38,0.19,0
Italia_Veneto,18.38,22.48,9.33,4.48,19.47,8.18,14. 8,1.87,0.13,0.19,0.38,0.2,0.03,0,0.02
Italia_Friuli,18.28,20.89,9.71,6.3,17.72,7.73,15.6 1,2.73,0.27,0.23,0,0.34,0.09,0.03,0
Italia_Liguria,18.89,20.85,6.57,3.3,19.99,8.12,18. 12,3.21,0.3,0.11,0.05,0.14,0.2,0.04,0.05
Italia_Emilia_Est,19.61,17.93,6.98,2.85,20.51,7.47 ,19.69,3.92,0.1,0.31,0.01,0,0.36,0.16,0.03
Italia_Emilia,17.09,22.09,6.51,2.76,20.45,7.88,19. 25,2.66,0.12,0.23,0,0.25,0.56,0.09,0.01
Italia_Romagna,15.39,19.53,6.06,2.76,20.02,11.42,2 0.81,3.53,0,0.27,0,0.08,0.03,0.06,0
Italia_Ager_Gallicus,14.31,17.3,6.24,2.66,20.71,11 .7,22.42,3.15,0.29,0.21,0,0.49,0.17,0.32,0
Italia_Toscana,16.08,19.73,7.22,3.37,20.24,9.46,19 .64,3.33,0.43,0.14,0,0.03,0.08,0.1,0.06
Italia_Marche,14.58,16.59,6.1,1.66,18.6,12.77,24.2 2,5.27,0.08,0.07,0.02,0.27,0.12,0.13,0.15
Italia_Umbria,11.81,20.9,4.8,3.84,18.93,11.3,23.12 ,4.06,0.26,0.25,0,0,0.61,0.08,0
Italia_Lazio,15.38,17.54,5.91,2.24,19.39,11.2,23.6 5,3.75,0.22,0.13,0.08,0.31,0.1,0.14,0.02
FR_Italia_Corsica,15.68,20.17,4.72,2.02,22.97,7.39 ,22.33,3.9,0.04,0,0.12,0.08,0.41,0.1,0
Italia_Abruzzo,12.63,15.65,6,2.53,17.25,13.12,26.5 5,5.01,0.11,0.11,0.24,0.12,0.27,0.35,0
Italia_Campania,10.22,15.97,5.69,1.76,17.24,14.18, 27.95,5.58,0.36,0.18,0.01,0.1,0.08,0.44,0.07
Italia_Molise,12.64,15.55,4.9,2.66,19.12,13.88,26. 57,4.89,0.12,0.17,0.12,0.21,0.07,0.16,0.03
Italia_Basilicata,12.9,13.78,5.31,2.62,17.24,14.57 ,26.56,5.49,0.2,0.05,0,0,0.32,0.75,0.16
Italia_Salento,10.2,15.75,4.62,2.93,18.01,14.06,29 .54,4.33,0,0,0,0.09,0.22,0.16,0
Italia_Puglia,11.44,13.61,6.71,2.69,17.81,15.01,26 .47,5.1,0.18,0.02,0.01,0.16,0.32,0.3,0.09
Italia_Calabria,7.3,14.31,5.07,0.88,17.24,16.23,30 .57,6.58,0.11,0.33,0,0.03,0.33,0.72,0.19
Italia_Sicilia,9.54,14.62,4.97,1.31,18.21,15.22,28 ,5.32,0.08,0.38,0.31,0.17,0.23,1.28,0.48
MA_Malta,6.412,15.962,4.828,1.31,18.664,13.406,29. 816,5.644,0,0.51,0.108,0,0.286,1.724,1.322
Italia_Sardegna,8.1,21.38,1.97,0,43.44,1.07,19.54, 3.13,0,0.11,0,0,0.15,0.43,0.04

Doing the same here. Still not that good.

Distance to:	RegioX(FTDNA)
6.21478881	Italia_Piemonte
6.56102888	Italia_Veneto
7.23834926	Italia_Bergamo
7.64256501	North_Italian
7.91932447	Italia_Lombardia
8.22541792	Italia_Orobia
8.26630510	Italia_Friuli
8.59419572	Italia_Insubria
8.83040769	Italia_Trentino
9.08970297	Italia_Brescia
9.14356604	Italia_Ticino
9.28586022	Spanish_Cataluna
9.61379738	Spanish_Extremadura
9.81374546	Spanish_Murcia
9.83389546	Italia_Liguria
10.07510298	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
10.08800278	Portuguese
10.09617749	Spanish_Andalucia
10.12535431	Italia_Emilia
10.24367122	Italia_Val_d_Aosta
10.40860221	Spanish_Valencia
11.00705228	France-South
11.05604812	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
11.49385923	Spanish_Galicia
11.53626456	Italia_Toscana

Distance to:	RegioX(23andMe)
6.68239478	Italia_Piemonte
7.13301479	Italia_Veneto
7.54011273	Italia_Bergamo
7.97563791	North_Italian
8.44687516	Italia_Lombardia
8.68160699	Italia_Orobia
8.83840483	Italia_Friuli
9.08593418	Italia_Insubria
9.24076837	Spanish_Cataluna
9.40052658	Italia_Trentino
9.49600442	Italia_Brescia
9.51460456	Spanish_Extremadura
9.52685677	Italia_Ticino
9.71839493	Spanish_Murcia
9.76026639	Spanish_Andalucia
9.97705868	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
10.10349444	Spanish_Valencia
10.14796531	Portuguese
10.36769502	Italia_Liguria
10.57442197	Italia_Emilia
10.66746455	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
10.74822776	Italia_Val_d_Aosta
11.09341246	France-South
11.62681384	Spanish_Galicia
12.00430756	Italia_Toscana

Distance to:	Father(23andMe)
2.89319892	Italia_Veneto
3.07436172	Italia_Friuli
3.92838389	Italia_Trentino
4.31308474	Italia_Piemonte
4.83588668	Italia_Lombardia
5.88045917	Italia_Orobia
6.03705226	Italia_Liguria
6.14150633	Italia_Insubria
6.23081857	North_Italian
7.01246034	Italia_Bergamo
7.05277250	Italia_Brescia
7.23684323	Italia_Ticino
7.44861732	Italia_Emilia
7.82681928	Italia_Toscana
8.31607480	Italia_Emilia_Est
8.74555316	Italia_Val_d_Aosta
9.62334661	Albanian-Kosovo
9.94925123	Italia_Romagna
10.17740635	Tuscan
10.62274917	Austria-Tyrol
10.98721479	Kosovo_Albanian
11.13799354	Portuguese
11.45726407	Spanish_Galicia
11.65253620	South_Serbian
11.76717919	Montenegrin

Distance to:	Mother(23andMe)
5.40697697	Italia_Piemonte
5.64061167	Italia_Trentino
5.88167493	Italia_Veneto
6.12929033	Italia_Ticino
6.92439889	Italia_Lombardia
7.24220961	Italia_Friuli
7.34042233	Italia_Val_d_Aosta
7.78759270	Italia_Insubria
8.14300927	North_Italian
8.19030524	Italia_Orobia
8.20082313	Austria-Tyrol
8.50304651	Spanish_Galicia
8.65068783	Portuguese
8.76280206	Italia_Bergamo
9.08626436	Spanish_Cataluna
9.25953563	France-South
9.37425730	Italia_Liguria
9.55642716	Italia_Brescia
9.88733028	Spanish_Extremadura
10.09185315	French
10.24220191	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
10.84050737	Spanish_Murcia
10.88791073	Italia_Emilia
11.84695742	Italia_Emilia_Est
11.88732939	Italia_Toscana

**Regio X** · 09-01-20, 17:19

Originally Posted by Regio X

It seems K13 worked better than K15 for us.

Eurogenes K13 updated spreadsheet

Regio X (FTDNA),35.64,14.28,22.14,9.81,16.50,1.32,0,0,0,0. 31,0,0,0

Distance to:	RegioX(FTDNA)
4.88753517	Veneto
5.75650936	Piedmont
5.89065361	Friuli-VG
6.01373428	Trentino
6.14356574	Swiss-Italian
6.22361631	AostaValley
7.66760719	Swiss_Italian
7.91935603	Lombardy
8.04279802	Liguria
8.64694166	Emilia
9.23523145	Swiss_French
9.87522658	Portuguese
10.07731611	Tuscany
10.46031548	Spanish_Cataluna
10.59506961	Spanish_Extremadura
11.29241338	Spanish_Galicia
11.34784120	Spanish_Murcia
11.43815982	French
11.65185393	Spanish_Valencia
11.75326338	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
11.90779996	Spanish_Andalucia
12.37994346	Swiss_German
12.85538798	Romagna
12.89509209	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
12.97232824	Tuscan

Regio X (23andMe),35.79,13.90,22.51,10.25,15.79,1.38,0.21, 0,0,0.17,0,0,0

Distance to:	RegioX(23andMe)
5.47916052	Veneto
5.96602045	AostaValley
6.18221643	Piedmont
6.58668354	Swiss-Italian
6.65508828	Trentino
6.69911935	Friuli-VG
8.28356204	Swiss_Italian
8.32122587	Lombardy
8.46681758	Liguria
9.05518636	Emilia
9.28078122	Swiss_French
9.77986196	Portuguese
10.25382855	Spanish_Cataluna
10.33404567	Spanish_Extremadura
10.45176062	Tuscany
11.06583029	Spanish_Galicia
11.20403945	Spanish_Murcia
11.36180003	French
11.51952690	Spanish_Valencia
11.55589460	Spanish_Andalucia
11.56891525	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.50862103	Swiss_German
12.54294224	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.28441192	Romagna
13.38760994	Tuscan

Father (23andMe),30.70,16.33,23.32,9.79,16.68,0.73,2.18,0 ,0,0,0.26,0,0

Distance to:	Father(23andMe)
4.14387500	Veneto
5.44103850	Friuli-VG
5.90366835	Trentino
6.04591598	Piedmont
7.27156792	Liguria
7.32746204	Emilia
7.77803960	Lombardy
8.18447310	Tuscany
8.19824981	Swiss-Italian
9.65127453	Swiss_Italian
10.16101865	AostaValley
10.82294698	North_Macedonian
10.86650358	Bulgarian_Central
10.88009651	Romagna
11.00969416	Kosovo_Albanian
11.10028828	Swiss_French
11.31752181	Vlach_North-Macedonia
11.41458278	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
11.51778625	Tuscan
11.54571782	Greek_Central-Macedonia
11.56396126	Bulgarian_Southwest
11.80932259	Macedonian_Northwest
11.83933275	Macedonian_East
12.03518591	Umbria
12.05106634	Bulgarian_Serres

Mother (23andMe),34.67,16.28,23.32,8.61,14.65,1.53,0,0,0. 58,0.37,0,0,0

Distance to:	Mother(23andMe)
4.40568950	Trentino
4.80165596	Veneto
5.35870320	Swiss-Italian
5.38909083	Piedmont
5.52411984	AostaValley
5.77187145	Friuli-VG
7.40777294	Swiss_Italian
7.52204759	Swiss_French
8.26922608	Lombardy
9.01763273	Liguria
9.47065996	Portuguese
9.59438899	Emilia
10.15953247	Spanish_Cataluna
10.30036407	Spanish_Galicia
10.44933491	Spanish_Extremadura
10.67349989	French
10.94197423	Tuscany
11.08835876	Swiss_German
11.36961301	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
11.51716111	Spanish_Murcia
11.54709487	Spanish_Valencia
11.99497395	Spanish_Andalucia
12.64945453	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.35860771	Spanish_Cantabria
14.00106425	Bulgarian_Southwest

**Regio X** · 09-01-20, 17:25

Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet

Regio X (FTDNA),6.85,0,0.83,0,37.94,27.68,0,0,5.67,0,21.03 ,0

Distance to:	RegioX(FTDNA)
2.39088689	Italy_Piedmont
2.63399647	Italy_Veneto
3.16993060	Italy_Trentino
3.67232386	Swiss_Italian
4.03821446	Italy_FriuliVG
4.15184026	Italy_Lombardy
5.72630462	Italy_Aosta_Valley
5.90672076	Italy_Liguria
6.18443134	Italy_Emilia
7.84163950	Italy_Tuscany
10.31105232	Italy_Romagna
11.58057425	Albanian_North
11.82398410	Albanian_Kosovo
11.95253346	France_Corsica
13.44420931	Italy_Lazio
13.76962302	Italy_Marche
14.71513507	Baleares
15.66826729	Galicia
16.54312546	Extremadura
17.07581330	French
17.29189695	Portuguese
17.36542830	French
17.87426082	Romanians
18.53336451	Bulgarians
18.69441628	Bulgarian

Regio X (23andMe),6.89,0,0.86,0,37.85,27.39,0,0,5.54,0,21. 47,0

Distance to:	RegioX(23andMe)
2.24344826	Italy_Piedmont
2.29503756	Italy_Veneto
3.54222247	Italy_Trentino
3.90931932	Italy_Lombardy
3.92451430	Swiss_Italian
4.10606576	Italy_FriuliVG
5.58310040	Italy_Liguria
5.77220331	Italy_Emilia
6.17809231	Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.42188318	Italy_Tuscany
9.87867400	Italy_Romagna
11.27978280	Albanian_North
11.50199113	Albanian_Kosovo
11.58134776	France_Corsica
13.02102354	Italy_Lazio
13.33306409	Italy_Marche
14.88337327	Baleares
15.92879782	Galicia
16.76368098	Extremadura
17.53226454	Portuguese
17.56222651	French
17.78062991	Romanians
17.85887734	French
18.37406324	Bulgarians
18.54359189	Bulgarian

Father (23andMe),7.92,0,0.69,0,36.48,28.19,0.26,0,6.36,0, 20.09,0

Distance to:	Father(23andMe)
3.64732724	Italy_FriuliVG
3.66697697	Italy_Piedmont
3.99426807	Italy_Veneto
4.27463683	Italy_Trentino
5.30620981	Swiss_Italian
6.02165073	Italy_Lombardy
6.31809881	Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.04214926	Italy_Liguria
7.24383538	Italy_Emilia
8.69640558	Italy_Tuscany
10.83715369	Italy_Romagna
11.46114305	Albanian_North
11.62113161	Albanian_Kosovo
13.20788840	France_Corsica
13.60173790	Italy_Lazio
14.12788724	Italy_Marche
15.89862573	Baleares
16.46931996	Galicia
16.87346734	French
17.05845245	French
17.25683343	Romanians
17.26528019	Extremadura
17.89991061	Portuguese
18.13588432	Bulgarian
18.24012884	Bulgarians

Mother (23andMe),5.03,0.21,1.33,0,37.33,29.53,0,0,5.60,0, 20.98,0

Distance to:	Mother(23andMe)
1.73202771	Italy_Trentino
2.93848192	Italy_FriuliVG
2.99785131	Swiss_Italian
3.07960118	Italy_Veneto
3.86842346	Italy_Piedmont
5.34890994	Italy_Lombardy
5.45672435	Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.18972532	Italy_Liguria
7.81619543	Italy_Emilia
9.33078507	Italy_Tuscany
11.01143951	Albanian_North
11.47835790	Italy_Romagna
11.58492555	Albanian_Kosovo
13.44245052	France_Corsica
14.44598609	Italy_Lazio
14.90839019	Italy_Marche
15.76217307	Baleares
16.34925381	Romanians
16.42503272	Galicia
16.64098855	French
16.88928655	French
17.02857892	Bulgarians
17.36272156	Bulgarian
17.55130479	Extremadura
17.60212487	Bosnian

**Angela** · 09-01-20, 19:21

So, neither Eurogenes K13 nor Dodecad K12b are accurate for you. (edit: K15 nor Dodecad K12b)

Just modern populations for me:

2.99839957	Emilia
3.15726147	Tuscany
3.38475996	Liguria
3.67819249	Tuscan
4.30383550	Romagna
5.21252338	Umbria
6.16301874	Lombardy
6.22120567	Marche
6.24877588	Lazio
6.80908217	FrenchCorsica
7.16684031	Veneto
7.74483053	Piedmont
8.55386462	Friuli-VG
9.55260174	Greek_Western-Thrace
10.37322997	Greek_Central-Macedonia
10.40681507	Trentino
10.56576547	Vlach_Central-Macedonia
10.78628759	Swiss_Italian
10.85248359	Swiss-Italian
11.19184971	Albanian
11.27902035	West_Sicilian
11.29719134	Kosovo_Albanian
11.66765186	Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
12.33875196	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
12.35486544	Greek_Western-Macedonia

The cline of northern Italian provinces looks "accurate" to me for my known ancestry, but then Greek areas start to appear, and further on Turkish samples, and the Spanish samples are
pushed further away. Whether that's "accurate" or not, I don't know.

.99839957	Emilia
3.15726147	Tuscany
3.38475996	Liguria
3.67819249	Tuscan
4.30383550	Romagna
5.21252338	Umbria
6.16301874	Lombardy
6.22120567	Marche
6.24877588	Lazio
6.80908217	FrenchCorsica
7.16684031	Veneto
7.74483053	Piedmont
8.55386462	Friuli-VG
9.55260174	Greek_Western-Thrace
10.37322997	Greek_Central-Macedonia
10.40681507	Trentino
10.56576547	Vlach_Central-Macedonia
10.78628759	Swiss_Italian
10.85248359	Swiss-Italian
11.19184971	Albanian
11.27902035	West_Sicilian
11.29719134	Kosovo_Albanian
11.66765186	Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
12.33875196	Bulgarian_Plovdiv
12.35486544	Greek_Western-Macedonia
12.46015249	Abruzzo
12.67167708	Turk_Alexandroupoli
12.72158795	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
12.80389394	Greek_Thessaly
13.07666624	Vlach_North-Macedonia
13.20890916	North_Macedonian
13.28875464	Basilicata
13.29574368	Molise
13.36336784	Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
13.58006259	Turk_Kazanlik
13.74839991	Macedonian_East
13.87101294	Greek_Peloponnese
13.87630715	Bulgarian_Southwest
13.93366427	Bulgarian_Central
13.99984821	GR_Peloponese
14.24799284	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
14.33496425	Apulia
14.46980995	Turk_Kavala
14.60548869	Greek_Thessaloniki
14.72815331	Portuguese
14.76043021	Bulgarian_Serres
14.82099524	Spanish_Extremadura
15.13495953	Greek_Andros_Island
15.21457854	Macedonian_Southeast
15.46256447	Turk_Thessaloniki

Regio's results still have the Iberians pretty close. So, am I different because I'm half "Tuscan life"?

Distance to:RegioX(23andMe)
5.47916052Veneto
5.96602045AostaValley
6.18221643Piedmont
6.58668354Swiss-Italian
6.65508828Trentino
6.69911935FriuliVG
8.28356204Swiss_Italian
8.32122587Lombardy
8.46681758Liguria
Emilia9.28078122
Swiss_French
9.77986196Portuguese
Spanish_Cataluna10.25382855
10.33404567Spanish_Extremadura
10.45176062Tuscany
11.06583029
Spanish_Galicia11.20403945
Spanish_Murcia11.36180003
French11.51952690
Spanish_Valencia11.55589460
Spanish_Andalucia11.56891525
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon12.50862103
Swiss_German12.54294224
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.28441192Romagna
13.38760994Tuscan

Anyone have any details on the Turkish samples which are showing up?

K13 Ancient is weighted to Szolad and Collegno, and as a result I'm much further away from the Scythians, and Illyrians don't show up at all.

Does anyone have an updated list of ancient samples which includes samples from, say, Antionio et al, which don't yet appear in the K13 ancient?

3.23024767	SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
3.92136456	SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
4.61476977	SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
5.48877035	IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
5.52075176	SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
6.08428303	I7424_morisco
6.61990936	CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
6.84388778	I7424_morisco2
7.73375717	SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
9.37121123	SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
9.81173787	CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
9.93161115	I12647_iberia2
9.96091361	I12647_iberia
10.26733169	CrusaderSI41KingdomofJerusalem
10.48618138	ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
10.51419517	I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 _2
10.54139459	I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1
10.57125820	scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
10.67171964	CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
10.70753006	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.82380709	RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_ GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9
11.21984848	SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
12.17064912	SZ19_szolad_hungary_longobard
12.52218032	I12516_iberia
12.74365332	SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
12.89520454	CL49_collegno_italy_longobard
13.44571679	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
13.49187904	I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE2
13.63865463	SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard
13.74177208	I3807_morisco
13.81188619	I3807_morisco
14.21938466	I10865_iberia
14.24593275	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
14.41144337	I12649_low_quality
14.74637244	DA195_Hungary_Scythian
14.90830306	CL94_collegno_italy_longobard

K15 original

Now, the first two principal components are correct in the sense I'm half Tuscan and half Emilian. The distance is further. Does that mean it's wrong? No Turks show up, although I think they have the standard Turkish samples. So, where did the Turkish samples come from which appear in K13? What is the link to the academic paper? Until I see it, I'm not sure what it means.

4.46072864	Tuscan
6.50442926	North_Italian
11.25741978	Italian_Abruzzo
11.25753970	West_Sicilian
12.44466151	Greek_Thessaly
12.91083653	Greek
14.44350719	Spanish_Extremadura
14.50931425	Spanish_Murcia
14.59778750	Portuguese
14.77803099	East_Sicilian
14.87212157	Bulgarian
14.89837239	Central_Greek
15.09966225	Spanish_Andalucia
15.63734632	Spanish_Cataluna
15.66968730	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
15.70986951	Romanian
15.76791045	Spanish_Galicia
16.20131476	Spanish_Valencia
16.66465421	South_Italian
16.86759023	Ashkenazi
17.51915238	Serbian
17.54667490	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
19.56798661	Spanish_Aragon
19.65718952	French
19.68681792	Spanish_Cantabria

The K15 updated looks "reasonable" to me:

3.86931518	Italy_Tuscany
4.23288318	Italy_Emiliaromagna
4.25635995	Italy_Liguria
4.46072864	Tuscan
6.50442926	North_Italian
6.55881849	Italy_Lazio
6.83303007	Italy_Marche
7.39247590	Italy_Lombardy
7.49916662	France_Corsica
8.00542941	Italy_Friuli
8.40202357	Italy_Veneto
8.93296703	Albanian-Kosovo
9.44547922	Kosovo_Albanian
9.53782470	Albanian-Macedonia
9.78762484	Albanian-South
9.82057534	Albanian-North
10.17207452	Italy_Piedmont
10.84424732	Italy_Trentino
11.25753970	West_Sicilian
12.44466151	Greek_Thessaly
12.56755744	Macedonian_2
12.64764850	GR_Peloponese
12.91083653	Greek
13.21623623	Italy_Abruzzo
13.88518275	Italy_Apulia
14.44350719	Spanish_Extremadura
14.50931425	Spanish_Murcia
14.59778750	Portuguese
14.77803099	East_Sicilian
14.89837239	Central_Greek
15.00283871	Macedonian
15.09966225	Spanish_Andalucia
15.14184636	GR_Macedonia
15.32820603	Romania_South
15.40187976	Bulgarian
15.46748848	Bulgarian_Thracian
15.63734632	Spanish_Cataluna
15.66968730	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
15.68404285	Italy_Aostavalley
15.70986951	Romanian
15.71087203	Italy_Central_Sicily
15.74158188	Italy_Campania
15.76791045	Spanish_Galicia
16.06202353	Gagauz
16.07739737	Montenegrin
16.13829917	South_Serbian
16.20131476	Spanish_Valencia
16.31845275	Romania_Sw
16.35921453	Italy_West_Sicily
16.66465421	South_Italian

K15 ancient-I don't think this includes some of the new samples

6.59585476	IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
9.97415661	IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.52466151	EMBA_Croatia_I4331
10.83707525	ScythianMoldova_SCY197
11.64466831	BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332
11.90834581	BronzAgeBalkan
13.03677107	Vucedol_I3499
13.34351903	IA_Civitavecchia_R473
14.91996984	Bavaria_STR310
14.99525258	IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
14.99546598	IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
15.06043824	IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
15.46276819	IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
15.83683996	ScythianMoldova_SCY300
16.19309729	IA_Ardea_R851
16.26327458	IronAgeBalkan
17.46251414	IA_Civitavecchia_R475
18.36019063	MedievalHungarian_DA199
18.44684797	Scythian_SCY311
18.71971421	IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
19.49851789	Mycenaean_I9041
21.14828835	BR2_Hungary
21.92221248	NorthItalian_HGDP01171
23.55316115	IA_Ardea_R850
24.14315845	Crimean_Goth_KER1

**dosas** · 09-01-20, 19:39

I think that some of these Turkish samples, like the one from Kavala and Alexandroupoli, have been added by Apricity user Kaspias. They are not from academic sources afaik, but from his own personal collection.

**Angela** · 09-01-20, 19:42

Originally Posted by dosas

I think that some of these Turkish samples, like the one from Kavala and Alexandroupoli, have been added by Apricity user Kaspias. They are not from academic sources afaik, but from his own personal collection.

Oh, that's just great.

How do I know who he is? How do I know the samples are legit? They might be, or they might not be. There's no way of checking.

No thanks, people.

Only academic samples should be in these calculators. Lukas should remove them and any other "individual or private" samples which were submitted. It's not like there aren't academic samples available.

**Regio X** · 09-01-20, 20:33

@Angela
This random combination between my parents generated a Piedmontese basically. lol In K15, this similarity to Piedmontese is likely related to my very high Atlantic %. I guess it also explains my odd "Western" % in myOrigins (British + Iberian) and NW in other calculators such MyHeritage and the old DNALand. 23andMe is the only one that "filters" it well.
Anyway, apparently K15 is even worst than K13 for me. At least K13 understands I'm NE Italian in ancestry, while K12b gets for example that I'm closer to Tuscans than to Iberians, which seems correct. K36's "Oracle" (similarity map) also puts me closer to Tuscans than to Iberians.

**TardisBlue** · 09-01-20, 21:04

Originally Posted by Duarte

Great work, Jovialis :)

New samples of Iberians and Bell Beaker France:
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208,1.39,0.00,5.31,0.43,5 4.53,22.97,1.16,0.00,3.96,0.94,8.35,0.95
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758,3.58,0.82,1.72,0.00,48 .92,32.83,0.00,0.00,2.47,0.00,8.72,0.94
VisigothGermanicGirona_I12163,7.57,0.24,0.32,0.77, 34.32,39.43,0.00,0.00,3.75,0.12,12.64,0.83
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759,2.22,0.00,1.44,1.17,52 .23,30.07,0.00,0.00,2.58,0.05,8.61,1.63
BasqueCarolingian_I3777,8.28,0.90,0.00,0.00,44.20, 32.10,0.11,0.30,5.29,0.50,8.25,0.08
BellBeakerFrance_I1388,0.00,0.00,2.30,0.00,59.39,2 1.76,0.81,0.00,7.46,0.00,8.28,0.00
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320,4.64,0.00,4.88,1.09,52 .24,25.19,0.00,0.00,3.67,0.00,7.44,0.86
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321,3.80,0.00,4.55,0.00,55.48 ,25.14,0.00,0.83,2.20,0.32,7.68,0.00
BellBeakerSouthernFrance_I3874,5.77,0.32,0.81,0.47 ,39.46,40.05,1.07,0.56,0.80,0.00,10.47,0.22
IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136,0.00,0.00,4.83,0.00, 61.85,21.67,1.21,0.00,3.88,0.00,6.07,0.49

Would it be possible, by any chance, to have more French samples, especially by region? I'm clueless about all of this, so I can't do it myself but if someone is interested (apart from me) that would be great. My results are inaccurate due to the lack of French samples, I think. This is really annoying. Do such samples exist and are they available, to begin with?

**Angela** · 09-01-20, 21:26

Originally Posted by TardisBlue

Would it be possible, by any chance, to have more French samples, especially by region? I'm clueless about all of this, so I can't do it myself but if someone is interested (apart from me) that would be great. My results are inaccurate due to the lack of French samples, I think. This is really annoying. Do such samples exist and are they available, to begin with?

I'd like to see that too. I know the southwest French sample is available, but I don't know about any others, although papers have been published which use French samples.

**Ygorcs** · 09-01-20, 22:55

Originally Posted by Angela

Well, Iberians aren't getting the "Balkan/Greek" part of the spectrum, so it makes sense as we know the Philistines were probably of Aegean origin and/or Sardinian/Southern Italian.

Even as a North/Central Italian who never gets Greek Islanders they're extremely far from me, although there seems to be variation. Perhaps they were already partly admixed with locals?

17.27458827	ASH068_Iron_Age1
32.23829400	ASH067_Iron_Age1
39.09207720	ASH066_Iron_Age1
40.66160597	ASH029_Late_Bronze_Age
43.12474000	ASH034_Late_Bronze_Age
46.10386318	ASH087_Iron_Age2
46.28961979	ASH135_Iron_Age2
46.33470621	ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age
46.39951616	ASH008_Iron_Age2
54.86118664	ASH2-3_Iron_Age1

IIRC the authors of that paper claimed the Iron Age Philistines of Ashkelon were already ~53% BA Levantine in ancestry, so there was extensive mixing, indeed.

**Das** · 10-01-20, 10:04

Distance to:	Das
18.43423446	Armenia_Chalcolithic
19.73774303	Iran_Chalcolithic
21.48393586	Armenia_EBA
22.21583894	Armenia_MLBA
25.81316525	British_Roman
27.87671968	Armenia_LBA
28.00428539	Armenia_MBA
30.66962504	Mycenaean_I9041
30.97380990	Mycenaean_I9006
32.22459154	Anatolia_Chalcolithic
33.00113180	Levant_BA
35.09907691	Crete_Armenoi_I9123
35.10451111	Mycenaean_I9010
36.30366235	Mycenaean_I9033
36.54296923	Iran_LN
36.63815770	Minoan_Lasithi_I0071
36.70018937	Minoan_Odigitria_I9129
36.94055089	Minoan_Lasithi_I9005
37.62308733	Minoan_Odigitria_I9127
37.80520467	Levant_N
38.01329636	Minoan_Lasithi_I0070
38.93254166	Minoan_Lasithi_I0073
39.03297196	Minoan_Odigitria_I9131
39.18881856	Minoan_Lasithi_I0074
40.41556878	Hungary_IronAge

Target	Distance		Ancient_Australian	Armenia_EBA	Iran_Chalcolithic	Iran_Mesolithic	Levant_BA	Minoan_Lasithi_I0070	Minoan_Odigitria_I9129	Satsurblia_CHG
Das	0.55652660	•	1.4	3.6	17.6	5.4	34.0	25.6	0.8	11.6
Average	0.55652660	•	1.4	3.6	17.6	5.4	34.0	25.6	0.8	11.6

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**Das** · 10-01-20, 10:19

Eurogenes K15 Ancient

Distance to:	Das
14.48097372	Canaanite_ERS1790730
14.72542020	Canaanite_ERS1790733
14.72542020	Sidon_733
16.26124841	CopperAgeIran_I4351
16.89577166	Canaanite_ERS1790729
16.90902126	CopperAgeIran_I4241
17.98337566	KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2200
18.65971597	Sidon_731
19.50171275	MENA_GladiatorYork_3DRIF26
20.20867635	Kurdistan_Medieval_I1955
20.20867635	LateMedieval_Iranian
20.25304915	Canaanite_ERS1790732
21.28528835	IA_Ardea_R850
23.24832682	ArmenianChalcolithic_I1632
23.43466663	KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
24.35267131	ArmenianChalcolithic_I1634
24.54926068	Crimean_Goth_KER1
24.71909990	Kurdistan_EIA_F38
24.80781933	ChalcolithicAgeAnatolian
25.44981336	ArmenianChalcolithic_I1407
25.85583687	Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212
27.95437175	KurdistanChalcolithic_I1674
28.22390122	KurdistanChalcolithic_I1662
28.60024650	Mycenaean_I9006
29.20548750	ArmeniaCA_I1631

**Duarte** · 10-01-20, 14:43

Originally Posted by TardisBlue

Would it be possible, by any chance, to have more French samples, especially by region? I'm clueless about all of this, so I can't do it myself but if someone is interested (apart from me) that would be great. My results are inaccurate due to the lack of French samples, I think. This is really annoying. Do such samples exist and are they available, to begin with?

Hello @TardisBlue, Good morning.
I have some matches with MTA's French samples, but the research I did on the papers did not allow me to get convertible BAM files through "WGS Extract". I'm sorry.

**Duarte** · 10-01-20, 14:44

More samples to help develop Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB9783:
IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9,0.89,0.00,1.25,0.00,58.14,21. 43,0.49,0.00,4.69,0.00,11.18,1.93

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB23079:
Roman-SoldierFN_2,2.95,0.31,3.26,0.82,42.88,29.21,0.00,0 .00,3.24,0.45,14.20,2.69
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33,7.02,0.51,3.61,0.00,30.37,4 2.59,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.00,15.58,0.24
ThuringiiTribeAED_1108,4.91,9.67,0.04,2.07,12.54,2 7.54,0.18,0.00,9.11,12.08,20.97,1.06

Jovialis #375
PhilistinesASH2-3_Iron_Age1,4.96,0,12.41,0,10.20,0,4.20,0,1.89,0,6 6.34,0
PhilistinesASH008_Iron_Age2,10.84,0,4.00,0,11.39,0 ,0,0.63,29.23,0,43.90,0
PhilistinesASH029_Late_Bronze_Age,8.31,0,9.61,0,12 .28,6.19,0,0,27.92,0,35.69,0
PhilistinesASH033_Late_Bronze_Age,5.83,0,4.07,0,10 .30,3.87,0,0,28.76,0,47.17,0
PhilistinesASH034_Late_Bronze_Age,10.82,0,3.64,0.6 6,14.01,0,0,0.84,25.02,0,45.01,0
PhilistinesASH066_Iron_Age1,9.21,0,7.83,0,15.39,0, 5.06,0.07,22.99,0.97,37.59,0.90
PhilistinesASH067_Iron_Age1,9.18,0,3.02,0,23.86,2. 30,0,0,19.31,0,42.33,0
PhilistinesASH068_Iron_Age1,0,0,0,1.65,39.53,8.59, 0,0.65,14.61,0,34.97,0
PhilistinesASH087_Iron_Age2,5.64,1.37,3.88,0,12.66 ,0,0,2.67,32.15,0,41.63,0
PhilistinesASH135_Iron_Age2,5.14,0,17.24,0.39,6.20 ,6.72,0,3.35,27.59,0,33.18,0.18

**Duarte** · 10-01-20, 14:50

Vahaduo K12b Ancient all samples consolidated until January 10, 2020 - Link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FYM...ew?usp=sharing

My Vahaduo K12b Ancient results with the samples of link above: (Top 50)

**dosas** · 10-01-20, 15:37

Originally Posted by Angela

Oh, that's just great.

How do I know who he is? How do I know the samples are legit? They might be, or they might not be. There's no way of checking.

No thanks, people.

Only academic samples should be in these calculators. Lukas should remove them and any other "individual or private" samples which were submitted. It's not like there aren't academic samples available.

They are probably not legit, at least not in the academic sense, where samples are traced through fact checked geneologies.

Plus, a lot of posters on that website push openly certain agendas so their motives are not transparent or open to peer-review scrutiny like samples in academic papers are.

**Jovialis** · 10-01-20, 18:42

Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28783727
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB20914

Code:

I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,0,2.55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95
I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.49,0,3.07,0,37.80,0.67,0,0,13.01,0,44.93,0.03
I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,1.28,0.51,37.14,0,0,0,15.36,0,45.71,0
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,3.39,0.38,35.55,0,0,0,13.26,0,47.43,0
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.41,0,4.34,0,39.06,0,0,0,12.70,0,43.49,0
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,4.14,0,1.89,0,36.48,4.77,0,0,8.08,1.19,43.45,0
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,6.11,0,2.47,0,40.07,15.84,0,0,9.79,0.87,24.86,0
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,0,0,40.48,0,0,0,4.75,0,54.78,0
I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,3.72,0.51,3.62,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.12,2.88,21.92,0
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,6.66,0,43.44,0,0,0,11.86,0,37.93,0
I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,1.10,0,0,0,43.10,0,0,0,17.55,0,38.25,0
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,4.59,0,0,0,33.89,0,0,0,19.71,0,41.08,0.73
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0,0,3.52,1.43,38.53,7.73,0,0.65,13.96,0,34.19,0
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese,1.33,1.22,3.40,0,40.19,9.10,0.52,0,7.58,0.48,33.22,2.96
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,2.87,0,2.57,0,37.48,8.67,0,0.36,10.29,0,37.52,0.24
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,6.79,0,1.92,1.07,27.17,4.07,0,0,14.65,0,42.98,1.35
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.21,0,0.11,0.47,27.71,4.33,0,0.81,12.84,0,44.53,0
I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.16,0.07,1.74,0.67,24.77,1.32,0,0,14.88,0,45.56,1.81

**Jovialis** · 10-01-20, 18:48

Originally Posted by Jovialis

Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28783727
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB20914

I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,0,2 .55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95
I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,0.49,0,3.07,0,37.80,0.67,0,0,13.01,0,4 4.93,0.03
I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,0,0,1.28,0.51,37.14,0,0,0,15.36,0,45.7 1,0
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,0,0,3.39,0.38,35.55,0,0,0,13.26,0,47.4 3,0
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,0.41,0,4.34,0,39.06,0,0,0,12.70,0,43.4 9,0
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.2 5,0.08
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,4. 14,0,1.89,0,36.48,4.77,0,0,8.08,1.19,43.45,0
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,6.11,0,2.47,0,40.07 ,15.84,0,0,9.79,0.87,24.86,0
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,0,0,0,0,40.48,0,0,0,4.75,0,54.78,0
I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,3.72,0.51,3.62,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.12,2.88,21.92 ,0
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,0,0,6.66,0,43.44,0,0,0,11.86,0,37.93,0
I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,1.10,0,0,0,43.10,0,0,0,17.55,0,38.25,0
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,4.59,0,0,0,33.89,0,0,0,19.71,0,41.08,0.73
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese,0,0,3.52,1.43,38.53,7.73,0,0.65,13.96,0,34.1 9,0
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese,1.33,1.22,3.40,0,40.19,9.10,0.52,0,7.58,0 .48,33.22,2.96
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese,2.87,0,2.57,0,37.48,8.67,0,0.36,10.29,0,37.5 2,0.24
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,6.79,0,1.92,1.07,27.17,4 .07,0,0,14.65,0,42.98,1.35
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.21,0,0.11,0.47,27.71,4 .33,0,0.81,12.84,0,44.53,0
I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.16,0.07,1.74,0.67,24.7 7,1.32,0,0,14.88,0,45.56,1.81

**Angela** · 10-01-20, 18:51

Originally Posted by Jovialis

Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28783727
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB20914

I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,0,2 .55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95
I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,0.49,0,3.07,0,37.80,0.67,0,0,13.01,0,4 4.93,0.03
I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,0,0,1.28,0.51,37.14,0,0,0,15.36,0,45.7 1,0
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,0,0,3.39,0.38,35.55,0,0,0,13.26,0,47.4 3,0
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,0.41,0,4.34,0,39.06,0,0,0,12.70,0,43.4 9,0
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.2 5,0.08
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,4. 14,0,1.89,0,36.48,4.77,0,0,8.08,1.19,43.45,0
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,6.11,0,2.47,0,40.07 ,15.84,0,0,9.79,0.87,24.86,0
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,0,0,0,0,40.48,0,0,0,4.75,0,54.78,0
I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,3.72,0.51,3.62,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.12,2.88,21.92 ,0
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,0,0,6.66,0,43.44,0,0,0,11.86,0,37.93,0
I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,1.10,0,0,0,43.10,0,0,0,17.55,0,38.25,0
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete,4.59,0,0,0,33.89,0,0,0,19.71,0,41.08,0.73
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese,0,0,3.52,1.43,38.53,7.73,0,0.65,13.96,0,34.1 9,0
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese,1.33,1.22,3.40,0,40.19,9.10,0.52,0,7.58,0 .48,33.22,2.96
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese,2.87,0,2.57,0,37.48,8.67,0,0.36,10.29,0,37.5 2,0.24
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,6.79,0,1.92,1.07,27.17,4 .07,0,0,14.65,0,42.98,1.35
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.21,0,0.11,0.47,27.71,4 .33,0,0.81,12.84,0,44.53,0
I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.16,0.07,1.74,0.67,24.7 7,1.32,0,0,14.88,0,45.56,1.81

Fabulous!

Is the Vahaduo K12b working for you? It's being wonky for me, starting at number 47. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong???

**Jovialis** · 10-01-20, 19:00

Originally Posted by Angela

Fabulous!

Is the Vahaduo K12b working for you? It's being wonky for me, starting at number 47. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong???

Unfortunately, the text copied from the forum creates spaces between the values, which causes a yellow flag. I tried to edit the post to take out the spaces, but it is no use. I will try to compile all of the coordinates on a downloadable notepad file, which should not have any issues.

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