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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    There is no evidence that I3313, a Bronze Age sample dated 1500-900 BCE, is Illyrian, that is an Iron age ethnos.


    All these samples, I4331, I4332, I3499, should be renamed as what they are: Bronze Age Croatia.
    Thank you Pax. The names were borrowed from the MTA. This way, It is easier to compare Dodecad K12b Ancient results with those from MTA. In another opportunity these ancient samples may be better labeled. Unfortunately I do not have the time to do this work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Thank you Pax. The names were borrowed from the MTA. This way, It is easier to compare Dodecad K12b Ancient results with those from MTA. In another opportunity these ancient samples may be better labeled. Unfortunately I do not have the time to do this work.


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    I figured it wasn't your fault. MTA is literally inventing labels.

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    my results from added data on post # 404 ......................no error issues


    Distance to: Torziok12b
    1.89726118 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.57738938 Italy_FriuliVG
    2.91721398 Italy_Veneto
    3.15360272 Italy_Piedmont
    4.32371831 Italy_Trentino
    4.63928874 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    4.65249395 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    4.86300319 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.21059138 Swiss_Italian
    5.21492090 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    5.62034319 Italy_Lombardy
    6.33094275 Italy_Liguria
    6.64383556 Italy_Emilia
    6.96106620 Italy_Aosta_Valley
    7.28685117 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.88022842 R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.00853232 Italy_Tuscany
    8.04563857 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.49518687 R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.88398559 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    8.89470067 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.92698343 Italy_Romagna
    10.18906767 Albanian_North
    10.39892783 R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.43786377 Albanian_Kosovo


    45.0 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 22.6 Italy_Veneto 16.0 Italy_FriuliVG 9.0 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria 4.6 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi 1.2 Avar_Dagestan 1.0 R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi 0.4 Pathan

    .................................................. .................................................. ...


    Distance to: TrentinoCles
    2.53333772 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    3.75795157 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    4.14305918 Italy_Veneto
    4.66815569 Italy_Lombardy
    4.82467099 Italy_Liguria
    5.11384405 Italy_Emilia
    5.48084210 Italy_Piedmont
    5.74693571 Italy_Tuscany
    6.11802256 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.15176853 Italy_FriuliVG
    6.62085059 Swiss_Italian
    7.19608922 Italy_Trentino
    7.22083098 Italy_Romagna
    8.36066385 Albanian_North
    8.58509755 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    8.65458260 Albanian_Kosovo
    9.10143395 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.46118914 R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
    9.51338005 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.52751048 France_Corsica
    9.83237509 R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    9.98795274 R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    10.08367493 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.20557691 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.31492336 Italy_Lazio

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    using only data from post #404

    Distance to: TrentinoCles
    2.53333772 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    3.75795157 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    6.11802256 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.58509755 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    9.10143395 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.46118914 R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
    9.51338005 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.83237509 R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    9.98795274 R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    10.08367493 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.20557691 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.49232577 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.61070214 R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    11.89476776 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    12.20367568 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    12.34320461 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    12.39171497 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    12.61407944 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
    13.18071318 R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
    13.18973085 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    13.37933855 R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    13.43228201 R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    13.83968569 R118__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    13.91132273 R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    14.05549003 R970__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


    Distance to: Torziok12b
    1.89726118 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.63928874 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    4.65249395 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    4.86300319 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.21492090 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    7.28685117 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.88022842 R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.04563857 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.49518687 R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.88398559 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    8.89470067 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.39892783 R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.85074652 R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
    13.01181771 R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    13.55029151 R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    13.60258064 R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    13.78514055 R1549_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo
    14.00105710 R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella
    14.03935540 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    14.07171987 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    14.17418075 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    14.17553174 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    14.20135205 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    14.28941216 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    14.41937585 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica


    87.0 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.8 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    4.0 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    3.2 R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    There is no evidence that I3313, a Bronze Age sample dated 1500-900 BCE, is Illyrian, that is an Iron age ethnos.


    All these samples, I4331, I4332, I3499, should be renamed as what they are: Bronze Age Croatia.
    The earliest mention of Illyrian was 1600BC in Noricum ....................I agree it might not be Illyrian .....................but Noricum ( east Austria ) to Dalmatia is not much of a journey


    BTW.....there is no evidence that ancient samples found in Italy, Germany Spain etc etc.....are Italian, German or Spanish either ...................so I do not see your point in this type of classification


    Jazinka Cave (1 individual)Jazinka Cave is located within the boundaries of the Krka National Park, on the left bank of the Krka River in Šibenik-Knin County in southern Croatia. The cave is situated at the top of the canyon at a height of 216 m above sea level. Members of the local caving club first drew the attention to the cavein 2006 when they recorded it in detail. It is in theform of a horizontal tunnel with the total length of about 42 m. The cave was excavated in 2008 and 2009 by archaeologists from the museums in Drniš and Šibenik. The frontpart of the cave was used as a dwelling area (temporary or permanent) where numerous fragments of pottery and animal bones were found. Conversely, the rear part of the cave was used as a burial place where numerous fragments of scattered human bones were discovered in a thick layer of mud. Beside the human remains, numerous Bronze Age pottery fragments as well as several objects made of bronze such as one fibula, a spear tip, and one bronze button were also recovered. Based on the archaeological material the cemetery can be dated to the Late Bronze and/or to the beginning of the Early Iron Age.22We report genetic data from one individual:I3313/ JAZ1


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    The confusing part of the paper and mapping of this sample is that it was found in Slovenia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krka_Cave

    The maps on the position of this sample confuses it with
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krka_National_Park and island off Dalmatia


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    The earliest mention of Illyrian was 1600BC in Noricum ....................I agree it might not be Illyrian .....................but Noricum ( east Austria ) to Dalmatia is not much of a journey
    Torzio, what does the earliest mention of Illyrian mean? What kind of mention of Illyrian in 1600 BC in Noricum?


    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    The confusing part of the paper and mapping of this sample is that it was found in Slovenia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krka_Cave

    I think this is a different place, not the one where the I3313 sample was found. It may happen that places with the same name exist in Slovenia and Croatia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Torzio, what does the earliest mention of Illyrian mean? What kind of mention of Illyrian in 1600 BC in Noricum?





    I think this is a different place, not the one where the I3313 sample was found. It may happen that places with the same name exist in Slovenia and Croatia.
    maybe i will check

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    All of the Rome, Greece, and Philistines

    ... on a 60 samples run, the first non R is the last one -
    a Mycenaean:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    All of the Rome, Greece, and Philistines

    ... on a 60 samples run, the first non R is the last one -
    a Mycenaean:

    Is this K12b, Salento?

    This is what showed up for K12b before for that sample.

    Distance to: I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    8.64348888 Sicilian
    8.97400691 S_Italian_Sicilian
    10.67560303 C_Italian
    13.06422596 Tuscan
    13.15328096 Ashkenazi


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Is this K12b, Salento?

    This is what showed up for K12b before for that sample.

    Distance to: I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
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    8.97400691 S_Italian_Sicilian
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    yes, Dodecad k12b
    Thanks :)

    Even in my case (a Pugliese) there’s a noticeable distance between the Mycenaean (Ancient Greek?) and the Romans.

    I thought I would have been a bit closer to the Mycenaean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    yes, Dodecad k12b :)

    Even in my case (a Pugliese) there’s a noticeable distance between the Mycenaean (Ancient Greek?) and the Romans.

    I thought I would have been a bit closer to the Mycenaean.
    My husband is closer. As you know, everything in Italy is regional.

    Let me see if I can find his result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    My husband is closer. As you know, everything in Italy is regional.

    Let me see if I can find his result.
    No, not that much closer in K12b.

    Yours: 19041/13.99

    His:
    13.21405691 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


    It was mta I was thinking of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    I've uploaded them to GEDmatch.

    GEDmatch Genesis kit numbers of crusaders belonging to European and Admixed groups:

    Crusader SI39 - kit number EM9001776
    Crusader SI40 - kit number QR8698402
    Crusader SI47 - kit number XA2645587
    Crusader SI41 - kit number ME3828251
    Crusader SI53 - kit number ZX8440629

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    CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI39,6.95,1.03,0.00,0.00,34 .51,40.91,2.01,0.00,0.00,0.18,12.88,1.53
    CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40,4.28,0.74, 3.35,0.00,47.07,26.39,0.00,0.37,5.96,0.18,10.79,0. 86
    CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI47,9.87,0.00,0.60,0.00,35 .64,40.84,0.00,1.53,1.29,1.56,7.96,0.71
    CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41,3.20,0.00, 8.67,0.00,37.38,17.90,0.25,2.24,8.44,0.10,18.87,2. 93
    CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI53,8.18,0.59, 1.46,0.00,27.16,18.68,0.36,0.31,9.76,0.00,32.79,0. 70

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    CRUZADERS

    CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI39,6.95,1.03,0.00,0.00,34 .51,40.91,2.01,0.00,0.00,0.18,12.88,1.53
    CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40,4.28,0.74, 3.35,0.00,47.07,26.39,0.00,0.37,5.96,0.18,10.79,0. 86
    CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI47,9.87,0.00,0.60,0.00,35 .64,40.84,0.00,1.53,1.29,1.56,7.96,0.71
    CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41,3.20,0.00, 8.67,0.00,37.38,17.90,0.25,2.24,8.44,0.10,18.87,2. 93
    CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI53,8.18,0.59, 1.46,0.00,27.16,18.68,0.36,0.31,9.76,0.00,32.79,0. 70

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    I wonder what part of Puglia one of the Tuscan Crusader Knight comes from ... :) LOL



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    4.78208110 Italy_Abruzzo

    Distance to: CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I wonder what part of Puglia one of the Tuscan Crusader Knight comes from ... :) LOL



    Distance to: Salento_me
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    4.78208110 Italy_Abruzzo

    Distance to: CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI53
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    4.05160952 Italy_Abruzzo
    Hi Salento. Very cool.
    I only stay in 5 if I mix the crusaders. Son of three parents, LOL :)


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    K13 from an italian site




    Eurogenes K13 è probabilmente il calcolatore amatoriale presente su Gedmatch più indicato per gli individui di lignaggio europeo, anche se ha i suoi anni (sei, se non vado errato). Oggi, dal suo stesso autore, David Wesolowski (Davidski), abbiamo il Global25, che però è a pagamento. Reputo il K13 piuttosto affidabile e dunque ho creato, basandomi su di esso, grazie ad un programma specifico, alcune mappe che mettono in luce la realtà genetica italiana, anche inserita nel contesto europeo. Ricordo che me ne ero già occupato, e infatti vi rimando a questo articolo. Pur trattandosi di prodotti amatoriali mostrano conclusioni affini a quelle degli studi accademici e, relativamente all’Italia, il noto cline genetico che va tanto in direzione nord-sud quanto in direzione est-ovest. La più nota dicotomia italiana è, infatti, quella che separa il Settentrione dal Mezzogiorno, ma ne esiste anche un’altra, che è quella che distanzia il Nord-Ovest dal Nord-Est e la costa tirrenica da quella adriatica. L’Italia segue, dunque, un gradiente genetico studiato da anni (vedi Barbujani, Sokal, Cavalli-Sforza e Piazza, tra i primi), che del resto è in linea con la naturale diversificazione territoriale ed etno-culturale di questo Paese.

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    I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,5.34,0,0,0,47.45,28.85,0.64,0,3.59,1.22,12.27,0.65
    I2477_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,0,0,6.01,0.21,60.29,7.43,0,0.07,7.60,0.08,18.30,0
    I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,0,1.31,0,0,43.62,20.47,0,0,8.75,0,25.64,0.20
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    I don't think the "Tuscan like" Crusaders are very Tuscan like. I usually get very high matches with actual "Tuscan like" samples. Maybe mislabeling by mta again?

    12.09009512 CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
    16.14783886 CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI53
    18.67368469 CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40
    27.34404871 CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI39
    30.02284130 CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI47

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    Distance to: I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    7.33017053 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    7.71334558 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    8.94514393 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.03744433 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    9.09492716 R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
    9.84451624 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.30931133 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
    10.40761740 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    10.60992460 R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    10.64267823 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    11.57587146 R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
    11.75436089 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    12.12525051 R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    12.18047208 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    12.68957840 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    12.91180468 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    13.49453964 R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
    13.60669688 R118__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    14.76508720 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    14.87691164 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    15.33378296 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    15.65276014 R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    16.07396964 R113__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    16.15704181 R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    16.16990724 R52___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Distance to: I2477_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    2.19063918 R104__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    4.96153202 R1014_Chalcolithic___Monte_San_Biagio
    6.59086489 R4____Chalcolithic___Grotta_Continenza
    6.98534895 R5____Chalcolithic___Grotta_Continenza
    11.85240904 R6____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    11.91308524 R16___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    13.71939503 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    13.90250337 R19___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    15.20222681 R2____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    15.75732211 R17___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    16.33176353 R10___Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    16.96443633 R8____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    17.56980649 R3____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    19.72695871 R9____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    19.83230950 R18___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    19.96860786 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
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    22.11317707 R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
    22.59231507 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
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    24.66819004 R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    25.40738279 R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


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    2.14441134 R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella
    3.88350357 R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.33546368 R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.87983285 R116__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    7.73630403 R37___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    8.40464157 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.12277918 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.14648708 R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
    10.15169937 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.85024885 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
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    11.81452496 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    12.04413965 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
    12.39624540 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    12.57254549 R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
    13.50362914 R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    13.54375502 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
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    15.13243867 R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
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    15.30717805 R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    15.95442258 R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    16.26274577 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    17.85182624 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    17.96129171 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    Distance to: I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
    5.09041256 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    9.18082785 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    9.36654686 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    9.75822217 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    11.35000441 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    12.20272511 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    12.53561327 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    12.97564642 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    13.00133070 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    13.28460011 R18___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    13.48439839 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    13.68384084 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    13.74399505 R9____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    14.05019573 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    14.66692197 R3____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    14.88447513 ASH068_Iron_Age1
    15.61002562 R17___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    16.99877643 R8____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    17.09844437 R10___Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    17.38588508 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    17.50863216 R2____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    17.92545118 R437__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Selicata
    18.21292947 R44___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    18.54376984 R45___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    18.56021282 R19___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I don't think the "Tuscan like" Crusaders are very Tuscan like. I usually get very high matches with actual "Tuscan like" samples. Maybe mislabeling by mta again?

    12.09009512 CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
    16.14783886 CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI53
    18.67368469 CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40
    27.34404871 CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI39
    30.02284130 CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI47
    CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41 on Dodecad K12b upd is a Pugliese.

    Distance to: CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI53
    3.00662402 Italy_Apulia
    4.05160952 Italy_Abruzzo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post

    Distance to: I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    7.33017053 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    7.71334558 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    8.94514393 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.03744433 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
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    9.84451624 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.30931133 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
    10.40761740 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    10.60992460 R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    10.64267823 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    11.57587146 R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
    11.75436089 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    12.12525051 R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    12.18047208 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    12.68957840 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    12.91180468 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    13.49453964 R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
    13.60669688 R118__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    14.76508720 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    14.87691164 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    15.33378296 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    15.65276014 R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    16.07396964 R113__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    16.15704181 R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    16.16990724 R52___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Distance to: I2477_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    2.19063918 R104__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    4.96153202 R1014_Chalcolithic___Monte_San_Biagio
    6.59086489 R4____Chalcolithic___Grotta_Continenza
    6.98534895 R5____Chalcolithic___Grotta_Continenza
    11.85240904 R6____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    11.91308524 R16___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    13.71939503 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    13.90250337 R19___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    15.20222681 R2____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    15.75732211 R17___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    16.33176353 R10___Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    16.96443633 R8____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    17.56980649 R3____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    19.72695871 R9____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    19.83230950 R18___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    19.96860786 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    20.05587944 R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
    20.94841760 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    22.11317707 R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
    22.59231507 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
    23.26070076 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    24.04044509 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    24.48388245 R475__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    24.66819004 R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    25.40738279 R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


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    2.14441134 R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella
    3.88350357 R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.33546368 R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.87983285 R116__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
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    8.40464157 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
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    10.14648708 R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
    10.15169937 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.85024885 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    11.59367931 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    11.81452496 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
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    12.39624540 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    12.57254549 R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
    13.50362914 R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    13.54375502 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    14.19517171 R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
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    15.20329241 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    15.30717805 R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    15.95442258 R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    16.26274577 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
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    17.96129171 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    Distance to: I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
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    9.18082785 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    9.36654686 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    9.75822217 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    11.35000441 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    12.20272511 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    12.53561327 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    12.97564642 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
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    13.68384084 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    13.74399505 R9____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
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    14.88447513 ASH068_Iron_Age1
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    16.99877643 R8____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    17.09844437 R10___Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    17.38588508 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    17.50863216 R2____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
    17.92545118 R437__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Selicata
    18.21292947 R44___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    18.54376984 R45___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
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    Very interesting, Jovialis.

    That Beaker Sicily sample has no steppe at all, right? Look how close it is to a Minoan sample. I think that's within everyone's accepted parameters for "pretty close", yes? :)

    Distance to: I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
    5.09041256 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    Anyone remember offhand how much Iran Neo the Minoans had?

    Sample 12477 is clearly the non steppe admixed North Italian Beaker. Perhaps representative of pre-steppe Northern Italy as well as the area around Rome? I'm surprised how close it is to that R104 Late Antiquity sample. Could people like that have survived, or is it a coincidence?

    The other two do show some "closeness" to some Antonio et al samples.

    This one's two closest matches are to two Etruscan samples, but they're not really good numbers.
    7.33017053 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    7.71334558 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    8.94514393 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.03744433 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    9.09492716 R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
    9.84451624 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.30931133 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
    10.40761740 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    10.60992460 R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    10.64267823 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    This one has a very close match to a Latin tribal sample.

    Distance to: I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    2.14441134 R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella
    3.88350357 R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.33546368 R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.87983285 R116__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    7.73630403 R37___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    8.40464157 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.12277918 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.14648708 R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
    10.15169937 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.85024885 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    11.59367931 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    11.81452496 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    12.04413965 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
    12.39624540 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    12.57254549 R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
    They're quite different, though, as to what hits they get. Those groups had not yet thoroughly mixed.

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    Consolidated data of posts #406 #410 #438 #442 (J + D).
    Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dFq...ew?usp=sharing


    I changed the label MTA of the CrusaderSI53 to CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 (Thanks Salento).
    Please keep in mind that labels are borrowed from MTA and anyone can switch to the one they find most convenient and appropriate. At the moment I am just looking at the number given to the samples and getting their coordinates K12b. There is no "science" in the labels I have put on it other than the "science" of MTA, LOL :)


    My top 50 samples Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient with the data of link above. Cheers to all. Nice weekend.

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    New iberians:
    CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239,0.00,0.00,2.63,2.34,44. 59,28.94,2.32,0.66,0.00,0.00,18.51,0.00
    IberianSettlementCataloniaSpain_I3496,5.38,0.21,0. 75,0.00,53.63,28.85,1.92,1.72,5.92,0.00,1.63,0.00
    CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3243,8.87,0.00,2.93,4.86,36. 62,38.06,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.67,0.00
    ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977,2.96,0.00,2.41,0.00,5 2.45,25.53,0.60,0.00,3.19,0.00,12.86,0.00


    Source:
    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB30874
    Mine:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Consolidated data of posts #406 #410 #438 #442 (J + D).
    Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dFq...ew?usp=sharing
    Thanks, Duarte.

    Distance to: RegioX(FTDNA)
    2.89968964 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.59601168 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    3.79885509 IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
    4.57476775 IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
    5.07911410 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    5.21673269 SZ28
    5.25463605 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    5.28229117 CL23
    5.35665941 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    6.21441067 IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
    6.21540827 Bavaria_BB_II5524
    6.35316457 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    6.49233394 CL94
    6.93071425 ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499
    7.17817526 CL49
    7.33030695 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.87935911 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
    7.93605066 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    7.95744934 CL47
    8.07327071 CL36
    8.12385377 SZ43
    8.20130477 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    8.43240179 R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.59133866 SZ45
    8.75588945 CL57

    Distance to: RegioX(23andMe)
    2.91516723 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.54142627 IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
    3.76893884 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    4.32038193 IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
    4.85656257 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    4.97765005 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.00656569 SZ28
    5.07679032 CL23
    5.48175154 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    5.80977624 IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
    6.38359617 Bavaria_BB_II5524
    6.42000779 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    6.49008475 ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499
    6.87402357 CL94
    7.24563317 CL49
    7.63845534 SZ43
    7.64930716 CL36
    7.79452372 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    8.05767336 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
    8.39454585 CL47
    8.42260648 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.65710113 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    8.68578148 R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    9.04155407 SZ45
    9.10362565 CL57

    Distance to: Father(23andMe)
    2.68057830 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.29012820 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    5.00390847 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    5.60451604 IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
    5.70035964 CL23
    5.98147139 IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
    6.12221365 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    6.28675592 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    6.44727074 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.75549406 CL94
    6.92876612 SZ28
    7.34207736 CL57
    7.47707831 CL47
    7.47747284 SZ45
    7.56755575 CL49
    7.59301653 ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499
    7.83651070 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.93459514 Bavaria_BB_II5524
    7.95587833 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    7.95640622 SZ27
    8.16007353 IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
    8.16143370 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.18962759 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851
    8.19367439 R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.32099754 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853

    Distance to: Mother(23andMe)
    3.68669228 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.78052906 IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
    4.32753972 IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
    4.70398767 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    4.84649358 CL49
    5.09792114 SZ28
    5.27775520 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    5.32097735 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
    5.43430768 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.61098922 Bavaria_BB_II5524
    5.75762972 CL94
    5.92551264 R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.06985173 CL47
    6.37007849 CL23
    7.24883439 SZ45
    7.26198320 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    7.29220131 IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
    7.35519544 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.52283856 R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    7.63681216 CL57
    7.64232949 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
    7.70581599 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.20212777 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    8.25349017 CL102
    8.55503945 ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499

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    Consolidated data of posts #447 #448 (J + D).
    Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SPu...ew?usp=sharing


    My top 50 samples Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient with the data of link above:

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