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    PCA - Dod k12 - Italy + Rs Iron_Age

    ... I'm not convinced, it's unlikely that I made a mistake, but I'm not 100% sure :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post


    PCA - Dod k12 - Italy + Rs Iron_Age

    ... I'm not convinced, it's unlikely that I made a mistake, but I'm not 100% sure :)

    https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/
    thanks how do you get the names in the PCA ......auto or manual ?
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks how do you get the names in the PCA ......auto or manual ?
    I've added the names manually, matching them with the same colors and symbols of the PCA.

    ... easier to understand ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post


    PCA - Dod k12 - Italy + Rs Iron_Age

    ... I'm not convinced, it's unlikely that I made a mistake, but I'm not 100% sure :)

    https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/
    Well, I seem to have made a mistake. :)

    Not only do no names show up (they only show up if I hover the mouse over them, but the Italian samples don't show up.

    What did you put in source, and what in projection? Then you just run PCA and then plot PCA right?

    Sorry to be such a pest, and thanks in advance. :)


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    this is k13 ancient results
    of a woman who can trace her ancestry to naples from both her sides ( not lying it is real deal)
    look she is not far from R437 the latin

    Distance to: *****
    5.95550166 SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
    6.18951533 CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
    6.32016614 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    8.23535063 CL38_collegno_italy_longobard
    9.34925131 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
    9.98363661 CL30_collegno_italy_longobard
    11.87370625 IA_Ardea_R850
    12.34435093 CL25_collegno_italy_longobard
    13.09539614 SZ19_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.35048314 SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.60615669 I3808_morisco_I3808_morisco
    13.67978801 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
    13.92001078 I7424_morisco2
    13.95204644 SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    14.02390459 I8215_3iberia
    14.24147113 I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE2
    14.35290215 I8215_2iberia
    14.35654206 I3808_iberia
    14.72792246 SZ31_szolad_hungary_longobard
    14.77051116 I7424_morisco
    14.91763721 SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
    15.90511867 SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    15.94411177 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    16.19487265 Chalcolithic_Age_Anatolian_Barcinhoyuk._Turkey_394 3_BC
    16.36177558 CL36_collegno_italy_longobard

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    this is k13 ancient results
    of a woman who can trace her ancestry to naples from both her sides ( not lying it is real deal)
    look she is not far from R437 the latin
    I'm thinking of asking my paternal uncle to take a DNA test, I'm curious to see what his results would be with these calculators (family is from Naples area on both sides going back to the XVIth and prob. further back - I have the records).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TardisBlue View Post
    I'm thinking of asking my paternal uncle to take a DNA test, I'm curious to see what his results would be with these calculators (family is from Naples area on both sides going back to the XVIth and prob. further back - I have the records).
    That would be interesting. My husband's grandmother was from Naples, but he's lost track of the men in that family. I'd like to see the results. Do you know from where in Campania they came?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    That would be interesting. My husband's grandmother was from Naples, but he's lost track of the men in that family. I'd like to see the results. Do you know from where in Campania they came?
    His father's father is from Ercolano, his father's mother from Procida (pretty isolated area, people there are all cousins). His mother's parents were both from Torre del Greco. I'll try to contact him and see if he'd be OK to test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TardisBlue View Post
    His father's father is from Ercolano, his father's mother from Procida (pretty isolated area, people there are all cousins). His mother's parents were both from Torre del Greco. I'll try to contact him and see if he'd be OK to test.
    In the shadow of Vesuvius. :)

    Sorrento and the Amalfi Coast are among my favorite places to visit in Italy. It's the favorite for my kids.

    My Neapolitan nonna in law was from more inland, nearer Benevento. She was a force of nature. It's a good thing she loved me. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Well, I seem to have made a mistake. :)

    Not only do no names show up (they only show up if I hover the mouse over them, but the Italian samples don't show up.

    What did you put in source, and what in projection? Then you just run PCA and then plot PCA right?

    Sorry to be such a pest, and thanks in advance. :)
    .. a general example, just in case other members are unfamiliar :)

    in SOURCE add all of the source Dodecad K12b coordinates from http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/dodecad-k12b-vahaduo.htm + Romans IronAge and your coordinates.


    in PROJECTED add only all the Italians, Corsica, Sardinia (from the source above), + the Romans IronAge and your coordinates.

    click to PCA PLOT

    Set PROJECT SOURCES to NO (so the results will show just the “Projected”)

    click RUN PCA

    click PLOT PCA

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    OK.Back to square 1. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    In the shadow of Vesuvius. :)

    Sorrento and the Amalfi Coast are among my favorite places to visit in Italy. It's the favorite for my kids.

    My Neapolitan nonna in law was from more inland, nearer Benevento. She was a force of nature. It's a good thing she loved me. :)
    Italian mammas! I love them. My grandma was very talkative and well, Italian, but my grandfather was a quiet, introvert man. They were both lovely, sweet people. Exiled twice - first their families left Italy for Algeria, then they had to leave Algeria (my grandfather was born there) at the independence and went to France (or rather, were exiled there) in the 60's. They went through a lot, it was a very traumatic experience for them I guess.

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    I'm out of juice already. I like too many posts. :) Sorry, Salento, and thanks.

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    I'm ignoring the one "Corsican" sample who is right next to me. I remember one of the guys who used to be around 23andme forums was from Corsica, and he was very atypical and quite like a few Tuscans. He was an Italian "Aryan" type too if I remember correctly. I'm actually about equidistant from Liguria, Emilia and Toscana, which is exactly where I was born, as it so happens. :) If I'm reading it correctly, my closest Iron Age samples are R1015 and R1016, although not really close.

    The fact that I'm a mixture is distancing me a bit from everyone. Well, except for those Szolad samples. And no, I don't think we're relict Pannonians. :) None of them show up in Collegno. Considering how poorly the Langobards fed those people, whom they had either enslaved, or reduced to abject serfdom, they were either left behind or perished during the journey. It's a surprise some Langobards made it, given the condition they themselves were in.
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    I think I got a better group picture :)
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    Dodecad K12b original spreadsheet - PCA Plot

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    Portuguese,6.01,0.00,7.71,0.00,47.55,22.32,0.90,0.10,5.01,0.00,9.71,0.70
    Extremadura,6.91,0.00,6.01,0.00,48.25,22.12,0.30,1.00,4.30,0.00,10.71,0.40
    Galicia,5.09,0.00,5.00,0.00,48.25,23.38,0.70,0.90,5.39,0.00,11.09,0.20
    Baleares,5.50,0.00,3.70,0.00,49.40,22.50,0.20,0.00,4.40,0.00,14.20,0.10
    Canarias,5.00,0.30,11.80,0.60,46.70,17.60,0.10,2.80,3.70,0.00,11.20,0.20
    Murcia,5.50,0.00,6.00,0.00,50.60,19.60,0.00,0.20,5.90,0.60,11.20,0.40
    Castilla_La_Mancha,6.80,0.40,3.50,0.00,54.30,21.10,0.00,0.60,4.50,0.00,8.80,0.00
    Castilla_Y_Leon,5.40,0.00,6.10,0.00,51.20,22.30,0.40,0.60,4.00,0.00,10.00,0.00
    N_Italian,5.69,0.00,0.90,0.00,41.16,23.68,0.20,0.00,5.59,0.00,22.78,0.00
    Spaniards,6.50,0.00,3.00,0.00,53.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,3.60,0.00,10.80,0.10
    Spanish,6.21,0.00,5.11,0.00,52.55,22.72,0.20,0.00,4.00,0.00,8.81,0.40
    Andalucia,7.19,0.00,5.09,0.00,52.55,18.08,0.00,0.60,3.20,0.10,12.89,0.30
    Cataluna,7.30,0.00,2.40,0.00,52.10,25.20,0.30,0.00,3.50,0.00,9.20,0.00
    Cantabria,5.70,0.10,3.10,0.00,54.80,23.50,0.30,0.30,3.00,0.00,8.90,0.30
    Valencia,6.81,0.00,3.00,0.00,55.46,22.22,0.00,0.00,2.40,0.00,9.91,0.20
    Aragon,6.31,0.10,3.40,0.00,56.16,21.82,0.40,0.00,3.00,0.00,8.81,0.00
    North_Italian,4.50,0.00,0.70,0.00,44.04,22.02,0.00,0.00,5.81,0.00,22.92,0.00
    French,7.91,0.00,0.20,0.00,44.44,36.54,0.00,0.00,2.50,0.00,8.41,0.00
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    French,8.08,0.00,0.60,0.00,43.81,36.83,0.10,0.00,2.69,0.00,7.88,0.00
    TSI30,5.01,0.00,0.80,0.00,38.78,19.34,0.10,0.00,7.31,0.00,28.66,0.00
    O_Italian,6.21,0.00,1.10,0.00,33.53,21.82,0.00,0.20,7.81,0.00,28.53,0.80
    Tuscan,4.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,37.86,18.68,0.50,0.00,7.19,0.50,30.47,0.00
    C_Italian,4.80,0.00,2.30,0.00,34.83,17.12,0.10,0.00,8.71,0.00,32.13,0.00
    Mixed_Germanic,10.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,38.40,44.10,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00,6.30,0.00
    Kent,10.49,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.86,43.86,0.00,0.00,0.20,0.00,3.60,0.00
    PCA Plot:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Dodecad K12b original spreadsheet - PCA Plot

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    Portuguese,6.01,0.00,7.71,0.00,47.55,22.32,0.90,0.10,5.01,0.00,9.71,0.70
    Extremadura,6.91,0.00,6.01,0.00,48.25,22.12,0.30,1.00,4.30,0.00,10.71,0.40
    Galicia,5.09,0.00,5.00,0.00,48.25,23.38,0.70,0.90,5.39,0.00,11.09,0.20
    Baleares,5.50,0.00,3.70,0.00,49.40,22.50,0.20,0.00,4.40,0.00,14.20,0.10
    Canarias,5.00,0.30,11.80,0.60,46.70,17.60,0.10,2.80,3.70,0.00,11.20,0.20
    Murcia,5.50,0.00,6.00,0.00,50.60,19.60,0.00,0.20,5.90,0.60,11.20,0.40
    Castilla_La_Mancha,6.80,0.40,3.50,0.00,54.30,21.10,0.00,0.60,4.50,0.00,8.80,0.00
    Castilla_Y_Leon,5.40,0.00,6.10,0.00,51.20,22.30,0.40,0.60,4.00,0.00,10.00,0.00
    N_Italian,5.69,0.00,0.90,0.00,41.16,23.68,0.20,0.00,5.59,0.00,22.78,0.00
    Spaniards,6.50,0.00,3.00,0.00,53.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,3.60,0.00,10.80,0.10
    Spanish,6.21,0.00,5.11,0.00,52.55,22.72,0.20,0.00,4.00,0.00,8.81,0.40
    Andalucia,7.19,0.00,5.09,0.00,52.55,18.08,0.00,0.60,3.20,0.10,12.89,0.30
    Cataluna,7.30,0.00,2.40,0.00,52.10,25.20,0.30,0.00,3.50,0.00,9.20,0.00
    Cantabria,5.70,0.10,3.10,0.00,54.80,23.50,0.30,0.30,3.00,0.00,8.90,0.30
    Valencia,6.81,0.00,3.00,0.00,55.46,22.22,0.00,0.00,2.40,0.00,9.91,0.20
    Aragon,6.31,0.10,3.40,0.00,56.16,21.82,0.40,0.00,3.00,0.00,8.81,0.00
    North_Italian,4.50,0.00,0.70,0.00,44.04,22.02,0.00,0.00,5.81,0.00,22.92,0.00
    French,7.91,0.00,0.20,0.00,44.44,36.54,0.00,0.00,2.50,0.00,8.41,0.00
    French_Basque,9.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,73.10,17.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    French,8.08,0.00,0.60,0.00,43.81,36.83,0.10,0.00,2.69,0.00,7.88,0.00
    TSI30,5.01,0.00,0.80,0.00,38.78,19.34,0.10,0.00,7.31,0.00,28.66,0.00
    O_Italian,6.21,0.00,1.10,0.00,33.53,21.82,0.00,0.20,7.81,0.00,28.53,0.80
    Tuscan,4.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,37.86,18.68,0.50,0.00,7.19,0.50,30.47,0.00
    C_Italian,4.80,0.00,2.30,0.00,34.83,17.12,0.10,0.00,8.71,0.00,32.13,0.00
    Mixed_Germanic,10.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,38.40,44.10,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00,6.30,0.00
    Kent,10.49,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.86,43.86,0.00,0.00,0.20,0.00,3.60,0.00
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    N_Italian,5.69,0.00,0.90,0.00,41.16,23.68,0.20,0.0 0,5.59,0.00,22.78,0.00 .....................North East Italian


    North_Italian,4.50,0.00,0.70,0.00,44.04,22.02,0.00 ,0.00,5.81,0.00,22.92,0.00..................North West Italian


    In red , is what I was always told about these 2 italian group .....................Also, I cannot recall the difference between Tuscany and TSI sampel , one was Florence , other Siena .....pity I lost my old PC in August



    I am bottom green dot.....and first Italian is North East Italian marker in pink


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    Here is the PCA with the original Dodecad K12b Italian populations.

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    PCA plot - Dodecad K12b ancient (my top 25) + Dodecad K12b modern original spreadsheet (my top 25):


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    GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892,5.59,0.26,3.58,0.41,44.49,24.42,0.33,1.20,5.21,0.00,14.35,0.16
    GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895,3.18,0.37,5.23,0.41,43.22,25.89,0.00,0.60,6.19,0.00,14.57,0.33
    EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585,4.00,0.76,7.98,0.00,40.89,21.30,1.15,2.10,7.58,0.29,13.67,0.26
    PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516,3.00,0.59,4.20,0.41,43.15,22.89,0.00,2.18,4.70,0.00,18.05,0.81
    PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12514,2.62,1.23,7.21,0.04,39.51,25.34,0.00,0.00,7.84,1.09,13.31,1.81
    R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna,2.65,0,4.67,0.48,45.40,26.94,0.90,0.04,4.71,0.50,13.32,0.39
    R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi,4.57,1.19,2.38,0.76,41.91,24.74,0.07,0,4.24,0,18.96,0.17
    R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
    R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
    R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi,4.36,0,0.84,0,41.26,29.23,0,0.72,8.18,0.42,15.00,0
    R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,8.10,0,2.34,0.49,37.74,30.14,1.07,0,5.02,0.51,14.57,0
    Roman-SoldierFN_2,2.95,0.31,3.26,0.82,42.88,29.21,0.00,0.00,3.24,0.45,14.20,2.69
    EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981,5.23,0.02,8.00,0.74,43.54,17.45,0.00,1.85,6.11,0.00,15.69,1.37
    GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852,7.32,0.00,3.77,0.00,43.67,27.11,1.41,0.37,5.94,0.00,9.37,1.03
    MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649,9.43,0.96,4.90,0.00,43.04,19.67,0.00,0.81,7.33,0.00,13.86,0.00
    CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40,4.28,0.74,3.35,0.00,47.07,26.39,0.00,0.37,5.96,0.18,10.79,0.86
    GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853,3.61,0.00,6.44,0.00,38.24,26.00,1.37,0.00,6.47,0.00,17.25,0.63
    CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457,3.88,0.00,10.09,0.00,37.97,18.30,0.00,2.07,8.05,0.00,16.16,3.50
    SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515,4.18,0.00,8.23,0.18,37.93,21.03,0.00,0.00,9.03,1.04,17.24,1.15
    GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866,4.02,0.48,8.95,0.00,39.73,28.49,0.11,2.53,6.47,0.00,6.62,2.62
    IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498,1.57,1.18,7.25,0.00,37.31,21.69,2.00,0.79,8.98,0.46,17.01,1.75
    CL94,5.52,0.00,3.55,0.97,38.92,30.19,0.81,0.00,3.37,0.00,16.69,0.00
    I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,5.34,0,0,0,47.45,28.85,0.64,0,3.59,1.22,12.27,0.65
    R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,5.78,0,1.08,0,47.40,25.74,1.87,0.62,4.57,0.14,12.29,0.50
    R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi,6.44,0.32,4.78,0.53,36.54,27.56,0,0,5.54,0,17.97,0.32
    Portuguese,6.01,0.00,7.71,0.00,47.55,22.32,0.90,0.10,5.01,0.00,9.71,0.70
    Extremadura,6.91,0.00,6.01,0.00,48.25,22.12,0.30,1.00,4.30,0.00,10.71,0.40
    Galicia,5.09,0.00,5.00,0.00,48.25,23.38,0.70,0.90,5.39,0.00,11.09,0.20
    Baleares,5.50,0.00,3.70,0.00,49.40,22.50,0.20,0.00,4.40,0.00,14.20,0.10
    Canarias,5.00,0.30,11.80,0.60,46.70,17.60,0.10,2.80,3.70,0.00,11.20,0.20
    Murcia,5.50,0.00,6.00,0.00,50.60,19.60,0.00,0.20,5.90,0.60,11.20,0.40
    Castilla_La_Mancha,6.80,0.40,3.50,0.00,54.30,21.10,0.00,0.60,4.50,0.00,8.80,0.00
    Castilla_Y_Leon,5.40,0.00,6.10,0.00,51.20,22.30,0.40,0.60,4.00,0.00,10.00,0.00
    N_Italian,5.69,0.00,0.90,0.00,41.16,23.68,0.20,0.00,5.59,0.00,22.78,0.00
    Spaniards,6.50,0.00,3.00,0.00,53.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,3.60,0.00,10.80,0.10
    Spanish,6.21,0.00,5.11,0.00,52.55,22.72,0.20,0.00,4.00,0.00,8.81,0.40
    Andalucia,7.19,0.00,5.09,0.00,52.55,18.08,0.00,0.60,3.20,0.10,12.89,0.30
    Cataluna,7.30,0.00,2.40,0.00,52.10,25.20,0.30,0.00,3.50,0.00,9.20,0.00
    Cantabria,5.70,0.10,3.10,0.00,54.80,23.50,0.30,0.30,3.00,0.00,8.90,0.30
    Valencia,6.81,0.00,3.00,0.00,55.46,22.22,0.00,0.00,2.40,0.00,9.91,0.20
    Aragon,6.31,0.10,3.40,0.00,56.16,21.82,0.40,0.00,3.00,0.00,8.81,0.00
    North_Italian,4.50,0.00,0.70,0.00,44.04,22.02,0.00,0.00,5.81,0.00,22.92,0.00
    French,7.91,0.00,0.20,0.00,44.44,36.54,0.00,0.00,2.50,0.00,8.41,0.00
    French_Basque,9.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,73.10,17.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    French,8.08,0.00,0.60,0.00,43.81,36.83,0.10,0.00,2.69,0.00,7.88,0.00
    TSI30,5.01,0.00,0.80,0.00,38.78,19.34,0.10,0.00,7.31,0.00,28.66,0.00
    O_Italian,6.21,0.00,1.10,0.00,33.53,21.82,0.00,0.20,7.81,0.00,28.53,0.80
    Tuscan,4.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,37.86,18.68,0.50,0.00,7.19,0.50,30.47,0.00
    C_Italian,4.80,0.00,2.30,0.00,34.83,17.12,0.10,0.00,8.71,0.00,32.13,0.00
    Mixed_Germanic,10.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,38.40,44.10,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00,6.30,0.00
    Kent,10.49,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.86,43.86,0.00,0.00,0.20,0.00,3.60,0.00
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    I only have 2 ancient near myself


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    On a side note ..............I plotted it to a town named Barcis, Friuli
    I have dna matches with 3 people from there ( from Ftdna, 23andme ) ......The Bet, Paulon and Seitz families ....................this is interesting
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    k13 modern populations (updated)
    nice work guys


    4.70345618 Greek_Andros_Island
    5.26046576 East_Sicilian
    5.40289737 Central_Greek
    6.17613957 Malta
    6.37749951 Campania
    6.62987934 Sicily
    6.65193205 Turk_Crete
    7.05329001 Basilicata
    7.05619586 Apulia
    7.19257256 Calabria
    7.46835323 Molise
    7.49086777 Ashkenazi
    7.77440030 Abruzzo
    8.33253263 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
    8.39613006 Greek_Chios
    8.71480350 GR_Peloponese
    8.98597240 Greek_Istanbul
    9.25324267 Greek_Peloponnese
    9.72441386 Greek_Dodecanese
    9.94829634 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    10.12401600 Turk_Burgas
    10.18973994 West_Sicilian
    10.54394613 Greek_Symi_Island
    10.70483069 Greek_Thessaly

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    Great thread. Thanks for all the data and tips. My K15 Ancient results top 25 (reason for editing after first post). Sorry for the format but I don't have enough posts to link it yet I think (>10 I believe is the rule).

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    6.24213105 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    9.63844905 IronAgeBalkan
    10.46008604 Mycenaean_I9041
    12.84337962 Mycenaean_I9006
    14.65860157 IA_Ardea_R850
    17.12174057 Minoan_Lasithi_I9005
    17.21424410 ChalcolithicAgeAnatolian
    17.79199539 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    18.26222878 IA_Civitavecchia_R475
    18.41514594 Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212
    19.58757514 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
    20.40000735 Crimean_Goth_KER1
    20.81910421 EMBA_Croatia_I4331
    20.82740022 Minoan_Lasithi_I0074
    21.12681945 BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332
    21.25376908 AnatoliaEarlyNeolithic_Tep003
    21.56584800 ScythianMoldova_SCY197
    21.61063396 Bavaria_STR310
    21.88122483 Vucedol_I3499
    22.02603687 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2200
    22.76743288 Minoan_Lasithi_I0073
    22.82576614 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    22.96415903 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    23.49475686 Boncuklu002
    23.66721783 IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
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    I think there have been several different calculator results posted in the thread. My top 25 using Eurogenes K13 updated. I am understanding that West_Sicilian 3.763 distance vs. the Sicily 5.34 is the former just includes the Western Provinces of Trapani, Palermo and maybe Agrigento whereas Sicily includes those plus the other 6 provinces. Any feedback would be appreciated.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    3.76350900 West_Sicilian
    4.19145559 Molise
    4.49638744 Apulia
    4.50098878 Abruzzo
    5.01440924 Campania
    5.34816791 Sicily
    5.37374171 Basilicata
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    8.51210315 Marche
    8.56573990 Lazio
    8.70109763 Greek_Andros_Island
    9.10360917 Greek_Western-Thrace
    9.30271466 Ashkenazi
    9.62653105 Umbria
    9.99779476 Moroccan_Jew
    10.09331462 Greek_Symi_Island
    10.32431596 Italian_Jewish
    10.62184071 Romagna
    10.80672938 Sephardic_Jewish
    10.82365003 Tuscan
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    Distance to: IA_Civitavecchia_R475

    the so called : etruscan outlier in k13 updated populations
    close to french from corsica tuscan and west sicilian ( i don't see the north african admixture and if it is it is extremely low)
    11.21273383 FrenchCorsica
    15.06587203 Tuscan
    15.84199798 West_Sicilian
    16.00697973 Lazio
    16.07035469 Tuscany
    16.39113785 Romagna
    16.44822179 Sardinia
    16.52899876 Umbria
    16.64591241 Marche
    16.72230247 Emilia
    16.90906857 Liguria
    16.95272250 Lombardy
    18.30460598 Algerian
    18.56962035 Greek_Western-Thrace
    19.11804906 Abruzzo
    19.20126038 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
    19.24136949 Albanian
    19.29987565 Piedmont
    19.36703901 Molise
    19.62468853 Apulia
    19.79173565 Moroccan_Jew
    19.86173708 East_Sicilian
    19.86889026 Basilicata
    20.20275971 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    20.29891623 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East

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    Distance to: IA_Civitavecchia_R475

    the so called : etruscan outlier in k13 updated populations
    close to french from corsica tuscan and west sicilian ( i dont see the north african admixture and if it is it is extremely low)
    11.21273383 FrenchCorsica
    15.06587203 Tuscan
    15.84199798 West_Sicilian
    16.00697973 Lazio
    16.07035469 Tuscany
    16.39113785 Romagna
    16.44822179 Sardinia
    16.52899876 Umbria
    16.64591241 Marche
    16.72230247 Emilia
    16.90906857 Liguria
    16.95272250 Lombardy
    18.30460598 Algerian
    18.56962035 Greek_Western-Thrace
    19.11804906 Abruzzo
    19.20126038 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
    19.24136949 Albanian
    19.29987565 Piedmont
    19.36703901 Molise
    19.62468853 Apulia
    19.79173565 Moroccan_Jew
    19.86173708 East_Sicilian
    19.86889026 Basilicata
    20.20275971 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    20.29891623 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East

    Well, it's not so close, it's at a distance of 11 from the Corsicans and 15 from the Tuscans. Within a few points (15-16) it has in fact many populations that in a PCA have different positions, even the Sardinians at 16. But yes, as you can see also in the PCA, I agree with you R475 might be less than half north African.


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