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    Jovialis vs Jovialis

    There can be no covenants between men and lions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Jovialis vs family

    All raw data from 23andme V5, with Dodecad K12b coordinates.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Fascinating. Do you "see" it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Fascinating. Do you "see" it?
    For the most part, though my younger brother, and younger sister are the most alike to each other genetically; but very different in phenotype. But out of all my siblings, I'm closest to my younger sister genetically. Moreover, people say we look the most alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Jovialis vs family

    All raw data from 23andme V5, with Dodecad K12b coordinates.

    interesting

    I ran mine and my family members with some selected ancients

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    2.82842712
    BelunPk12b ................................1st cousin paternal side in Belluno
    2.89198893
    PonzanoK12b ................................Father
    4.82277928 Collegno23
    4.86300319 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.02880702 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
    5.21492090 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    6.00532264 Szolad28
    6.60955369 Collegno49
    6.80141162
    TrentinoCles .......................................Female 1st cousin from sister of my paternal grandfather
    6.88000000 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    6.93799683 Collegno94
    7.57478052 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    7.62312272 Collegno57
    7.70831369 Collegno36
    7.72828571 Collegno47
    7.89459942 Bavaria_BB_II5524
    7.93197958 Szolad45
    8.04854024 Szolad43
    8.12515231 Szolad27
    8.87062568 NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120
    9.50909039 Collegno102
    9.57848631 Szolad18
    9.71251255 Szolad31
    10.29711610 Szolad36
    10.30020874 Szolad1



    it is interesting that the female line split apart from family percentage very quickly
    35.8
    BelunPk12b 32.6 PonzanoK12b 20.0 Collegno23 9.4 Szolad27 2.2 NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120

    my grandfather sister b.1884 ( which Trentinocles came via ) ....my grandfather b. 1895 .......and his brother ( which Belunp came via ) b. 1886

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Jovialis vs Jovialis

    Raw-Data(s)
    me vs me



    I noticed earlier that 23v5 and LivingDNA are close.

    my 23v5 upload to LivingDNA is almost Identical (almost).
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    Salento: Interesting analysis you and Jovialis did there. We know you cluster with yourself!! I have had DNA test done with Ancestry, which my raw DNA is in the format to upload to GEDMATCH (which of course I have done). My NatGEO DNA format is not to knowledge compatible with GEDMATCH. So am I correct to assume your NatGEO DNA was done earlier or with a format that NatGEO no longer provides to those who want to download their raw DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Salento: Interesting analysis you and Jovialis did there. We know you cluster with yourself!! I have had DNA test done with Ancestry, which my raw DNA is in the format to upload to GEDMATCH (which of course I have done). My NatGEO DNA format is not to knowledge compatible with GEDMATCH. So am I correct to assume your NatGEO DNA was done earlier or with a format that NatGEO no longer provides to those who want to download their raw DNA.
    I think we have the same version of NatGeo.
    I reformatted the data.

    but, you should still be able to get the coordinates with AdmixtureStudio:

    https://dnagenics.com/admixture-studio/

    ... if you get the NatGeo numbers for Dodecad K12, follow the pattern below:

    Gedrosia
    Siberian
    Northwest_African
    Southeast_Asian
    Atlantic_Med
    North_European
    South_Asian
    East_African
    Southwest_Asian
    East_Asian
    Caucasus
    Sub_Saharan

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    Weird, ??? R58 and R59 are closer to me than me.

    EDIT - got it :)
    Quality sample R58 = 70, R59 = 68









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    Salento: Grazie Millie. I will check out AdmixtureStudio.

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    It is not and I would need it to do some checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    My Iberian samples. You see all the samples from the East, there will be no Turdetans on this list. It seems that I am further with those who have that bit of North Africa. There may be some similarity between those of NE and SE.


    Distance to: Carlos
    4.54604223 I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    6.36550077 I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    6.80016912 I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    8.03897382 I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    8.09474521 I10897_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
    9.38433802 I3775_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    10.14166653 I7676_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    10.17365716 I3584_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    10.25304345 I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP
    10.33415212 I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    10.68906451 I3778_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    10.82268451 I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP
    10.99237918 I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    11.13917861 I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    11.15615525 I3577_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    11.78944443 I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    11.91919880 I12029_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    12.47799263 I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    12.64660429 I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    12.77554304 I3776_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    12.87735998 I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    13.24548225 I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    15.46389666 I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    15.89462488 I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    15.97944930 I3575_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    16.26949292 I3583_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    16.42185434 I8145_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.77781869 I12648_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.82859768 I7423_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.89776908 I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    17.01190466 I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    17.77518776 I12645_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    17.80648477 I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.17958195 I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    18.48926986 I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    18.51607950 I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.70617812 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    18.86419890 I12162_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    18.91308806 I6492_NE_Iberia_RomP
    19.57238871 I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    19.73857644 I7672_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    20.55279300 I7674_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    21.42752669 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    22.16003836 I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    24.26034419 I7458_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    25.26275321 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    27.27200396 I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    29.57099254 I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    31.43112152 I8147_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    31.51357803 I10854_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
    33.83623649 I7426_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    44.47936375 I7427_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr
    44.51117949 I12646_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    45.43101254 I7158_NE_Iberia_RomP
    52.37528425 I3810_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr2

    ES and CE what it means It’s what I’m closest to. In those samples of Germany they put whole sentences to you and here we have to have these nomenclatures so concise.
    The distances have nothing to do with those of MTA


    138. Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 18.36 - I7675
    86. Basque Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 15.77
    - I7673



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    All Iberian samples produced until now by Eupedia Team:

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    I7158_NE_Iberia_RomP,0.00,0.00,4.52,0.00,81.19,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,14.29,0.00
    I6492_NE_Iberia_RomP,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,60.03,20.99,5.86,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.12,0.00
    I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.46,47.09,28.10,0.00,0.00,1.44,1.15,19.74,2.02
    I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP,11.19,0.00,3.23,0.00,31.52,26.82,0.00,0.00,2.29,0.00,24.80,0.15
    I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.00,40.66,22.99,0.00,1.71,8.95,0.00,18.18,0.00
    I3778_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES,3.47,0.00,0.00,0.00,52.22,27.34,4.20,0.33,2.44,0.00,10.02,0.00
    I3776_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES,8.76,1.39,0.00,0.00,39.32,32.56,0.00,0.00,9.02,0.00,8.95,0.00
    I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES,2.61,0.00,2.44,0.00,36.84,33.68,0.00,0.00,4.52,0.00,18.45,1.46
    I3775_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES,1.41,0.00,0.00,3.81,43.51,32.07,0.00,0.00,4.31,0.00,14.04,0.84
    I7674_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES,7.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,53.11,19.43,4.74,3.88,10.86,0.00,0.17,0.00
    I7672_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,40.16,43.52,3.58,1.53,0.00,0.00,11.20,0.00
    I7676_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES,11.31,0.00,0.00,0.00,44.04,30.24,0.72,0.00,4.48,0.00,9.22,0.00
    I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES,2.91,0.00,3.04,1.19,45.82,27.67,0.00,1.36,5.65,0.00,12.36,0.00
    I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES,2.95,0.00,1.04,1.14,44.60,26.83,1.56,0.48,7.00,0.00,14.41,0.00
    I12029_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL,7.08,0.00,0.00,0.00,47.73,30.61,6.68,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.90,0.00
    I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL,6.23,0.00,8.27,0.00,33.19,19.13,3.15,0.00,10.50,0.00,17.72,1.82
    I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL,3.82,0.00,0.34,0.00,31.49,36.06,1.24,0.00,6.32,2.06,18.13,0.55
    I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL,8.16,0.03,0.00,0.72,40.41,30.73,2.65,0.00,0.00,0.00,17.30,0.00
    I12162_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL,6.67,0.00,0.00,0.18,32.95,39.94,0.00,0.00,2.65,1.70,14.65,1.27
    I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL,12.49,0.00,0.00,0.00,42.61,31.12,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.79,0.00
    I10854_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE,0.00,0.00,23.04,0.00,30.67,15.90,0.00,0.00,7.94,16.12,6.34,0.00
    I10897_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE,4.57,0.00,2.93,0.00,41.45,32.06,1.14,0.00,0.42,2.81,13.08,1.52
    I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE,3.10,0.00,7.45,0.40,31.78,18.15,0.55,1.33,8.37,0.00,26.88,1.99
    I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE,2.52,0.00,9.14,0.10,36.32,14.96,0.00,2.02,10.74,0.95,20.40,2.85
    I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE,2.94,0.00,10.24,0.00,42.64,18.17,0.06,1.34,6.79,0.82,15.04,1.96
    I3577_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE,0.00,0.65,9.06,0.00,43.37,25.03,0.00,2.85,10.40,0.00,8.65,0.00
    I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE,9.25,0.00,11.25,0.00,44.09,16.75,1.13,0.15,1.99,0.00,15.38,0.00
    I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE,5.11,0.63,3.92,0.00,38.43,20.10,2.87,0.39,12.10,0.00,15.48,0.96
    I3583_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE,3.72,0.00,11.01,0.00,40.58,14.07,2.19,4.45,9.03,0.19,14.77,0.00
    I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE,5.95,0.00,6.82,0.00,44.10,11.64,0.00,0.83,8.68,0.00,17.88,4.10
    I3575_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE,4.73,0.00,13.91,0.00,35.78,18.65,0.00,3.15,8.19,0.64,13.02,1.92
    I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE,2.70,0.00,10.04,0.00,38.28,16.68,2.53,0.00,9.78,0.00,17.31,2.68
    I3584_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE,7.27,0.24,1.93,1.68,49.09,20.73,0.00,0.00,6.96,0.00,9.68,2.42
    I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE,4.08,0.00,9.88,0.00,36.41,10.68,0.00,4.28,11.28,0.00,21.53,1.88
    I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,4.05,0.00,9.87,0.69,24.77,15.42,0.00,2.47,17.63,0.00,24.08,1.01
    I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,9.14,1.39,9.09,0.00,32.26,9.23,2.51,3.49,12.14,0.00,20.75,0.00
    I7427_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr,0.00,0.00,11.27,0.99,15.79,14.73,2.99,6.88,6.39,0.61,10.40,29.96
    I7458_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,14.44,2.62,6.27,0.96,23.45,31.72,0.00,0.00,4.57,0.00,15.97,0.00
    I8145_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,1.83,0.00,4.34,0.00,44.17,13.87,1.05,8.69,7.43,0.61,17.38,0.63
    I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,2.86,0.00,11.74,0.00,33.63,15.45,0.00,5.86,6.76,0.00,18.38,5.33
    I8147_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,2.33,0.00,7.08,1.74,45.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,16.10,0.00,22.58,4.88
    I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,3.84,0.00,6.12,0.00,35.25,20.05,0.00,0.00,12.51,1.09,18.05,3.09
    I7426_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,0.53,6.49,0.00,6.98,31.77,19.39,0.00,7.94,26.90,0.00,0.00,0.00
    I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,7.13,0.00,3.96,0.00,36.13,20.73,3.94,1.66,7.66,0.00,16.99,1.81
    I7423_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,3.46,0.00,14.04,0.49,47.70,14.41,0.00,0.00,8.10,0.00,9.37,2.43
    I3810_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr2,4.21,1.82,13.59,0.00,19.61,7.16,0.07,7.62,6.12,1.62,0.00,38.19
    I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,5.96,0.00,8.29,0.00,33.58,17.38,0.00,2.21,12.34,0.00,19.37,0.88
    I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,5.75,0.40,8.13,0.23,29.23,12.37,1.27,1.93,18.34,0.00,21.01,1.33
    I12645_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,16.65,0.00,3.35,0.00,44.28,15.77,0.00,1.25,9.49,0.00,9.21,0.00
    I12646_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,0.00,0.00,0.42,0.00,67.8,0.00,0.00,0.00,25.14,0.00,0.00,6.64
    I12648_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,4.91,0.00,1.60,3.13,56.77,16.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,14.46,2.59
    I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,0.00,0.00,15.68,1.49,53.95,17.64,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,11.24,0.00
    I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,2.62,1.23,7.21,0.04,39.51,25.34,0.00,0.00,7.84,1.09,13.31,1.81
    I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,4.18,0.00,8.23,0.18,37.93,21.03,0.00,0.00,9.03,1.04,17.24,1.15
    I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE,3.00,0.59,4.20,0.41,43.15,22.89,0.00,2.18,4.70,0.00,18.05,0.81
    I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE,0,0.97,4.25,0,72.87,1.91,0.14,0,12.75,0,7.12,0
    I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE,0,0,4.49,0,70.57,0,0,0,7.25,0,17.70,0
    I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE,0,0,3.81,0,84.67,0,0,0,11.52,0,0,0
    I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE,0,0.20,5.33,0.54,71.06,0,0,0,7.66,0,15.01,0.20
    I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE,0,0,0,0,69.15,13.70,0,0,9.75,0.81,6.59,0
    I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE,0,0,5.20,0.90,64.84,11.09,0,0,8.30,1.41,8.26,0
    I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE,0,0,8.13,0,66.86,4.35,3.31,0,6.74,0,10.61,0
    I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE,0,0,5.75,0,67.99,11.11,0,0,4.29,0,10.86,0
    I0411_Troc4_Spain_EN_relative_of_I0410_Els_Trocs_Spain_5303-5204_calBCE,0,0,5.88,0,72.92,0,0,0,12.22,0,8.98,0
    LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469,9.22,0.00,1.86,0.32,52.61,20.57,1.16,0.00,0.87,0.00,13.40,0.00
    BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_I2472,1.14,0.00,3.50,1.18,56.65,26.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,11.52,0.00
    CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238,2.44,0.00,3.07,0.00,44.99,36.67,0.52,0.00,0.17,0.60,10.96,0.59
    Pre-RomanGirona_I3324,5.56,1.29,0.00,0.00,52.03,29.28,0.00,0.00,3.67,0.32,7.07,0.77
    LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576,3.39,1.20,10.98,0.00,37.27,15.84,0.00,1.46,9.98,0.03,17.96,1.88
    LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581,2.25,0.00,9.46,0.99,36.90,18.80,0.00,0.42,12.18,0.62,16.63,1.75
    EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585,4.00,0.76,7.98,0.00,40.89,21.30,1.15,2.10,7.58,0.29,13.67,0.26
    EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981,5.23,0.02,8.00,0.74,43.54,17.45,0.00,1.85,6.11,0.00,15.69,1.37
    RomanVillaGranadaSpain_I4055,6.34,0.29,11.67,0.00,35.87,20.88,0.00,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06
    MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425,4.46,0.00,11.07,1.63,34.23,17.00,0.00,2.36,7.37,0.00,17.40,4.48
    CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457,3.88,0.00,10.09,0.00,37.97,18.30,0.00,2.07,8.05,0.00,16.16,3.50
    HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497,1.70,0.00,4.03,0.00,42.32,12.32,0.00,0.32,14.03,3.23,18.18,3.87
    IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498,1.57,1.18,7.25,0.00,37.31,21.69,2.00,0.79,8.98,0.46,17.01,1.75
    VasconicTribe_I8209,6.77,0.00,1.74,0.00,48.23,30.32,0.21,0.60,0.79,0.17,11.18,0.00
    RomanEraGirona_I8339,2.27,0.00,0.00,0.22,49.12,31.98,3.72,0.00,5.88,0.79,5.59,0.44
    I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical,4.30,0.33,5.35,0.00,39.62,19.72,1.18,0.14,7.35,0.00,22.00,0.00
    GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851,7.04,0.00,0.00,0.00,39.28,30.10,1.85,2.44,5.97,0.00,13.33,0.00
    GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852,7.32,0.00,3.77,0.00,43.67,27.11,1.41,0.37,5.94,0.00,9.37,1.03
    GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853,3.61,0.00,6.44,0.00,38.24,26.00,1.37,0.00,6.47,0.00,17.25,0.63
    GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866,4.02,0.48,8.95,0.00,39.73,28.49,0.11,2.53,6.47,0.00,6.62,2.62
    GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892,5.59,0.26,3.58,0.41,44.49,24.42,0.33,1.20,5.21,0.00,14.35,0.16
    GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895,3.18,0.37,5.23,0.41,43.22,25.89,0.00,0.60,6.19,0.00,14.57,0.33
    VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032,7.89,1.02,2.62,0.00,37.25,38.02,0.00,0.20,0.00,0.00,12.74,0.26
    VisigothIberianGirona_I12034,4.09,0.00,0.00,1.22,49.32,29.61,0.69,0.00,1.50,0.86,12.33,0.38
    BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208,1.39,0.00,5.31,0.43,54.53,22.97,1.16,0.00,3.96,0.94,8.35,0.95
    BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12209,0.00,0.00,4.43,1.66,55.40,27.36,0.00,0.00,3.50,0.00,7.08,0.56
    IlergetesOutlierCatalan_I12410,0.26,0.00,3.37,0.76,57.15,25.49,0.00,0.16,0.53,0.81,10.56,0.91
    SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515,4.18,0.00,8.23,0.18,37.93,21.03,0.00,0.00,9.03,1.04,17.24,1.15
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    IronAgeCatalan_I12640,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,52.97,24.35,0.00,0.00,5.65,0.00,15.41,1.61
    HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644,2.34,1.37,10.60,0.00,36.12,19.10,0.00,1.78,10.72,0.00,16.68,1.29
    HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647,2.44,0.70,9.01,0.00,36.94,20.28,0.00,1.89,8.27,0.00,18.90,1.58
    MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649,9.43,0.96,4.90,0.00,43.04,19.67,0.00,0.81,7.33,0.00,13.86,0.00
    IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878,0.45,0.28,5.90,0.00,57.80,28.10,0.55,0.00,1.02,0.00,5.91,0.00
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    BAIberiaValdescusaLaRioja_VAD002,0.00,1.91,0.00,0.91,61.64,25.41,0.00,0.00,3.70,0.87,5.56,0.00
    BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208,1.39,0.00,5.31,0.43,54.53,22.97,1.16,0.00,3.96,0.94,8.35,0.95
    VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758,3.58,0.82,1.72,0.00,48.92,32.83,0.00,0.00,2.47,0.00,8.72,0.94
    VisigothGermanicGirona_I12163,7.57,0.24,0.32,0.77,34.32,39.43,0.00,0.00,3.75,0.12,12.64,0.83
    VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759,2.22,0.00,1.44,1.17,52.23,30.07,0.00,0.00,2.58,0.05,8.61,1.63
    BasqueCarolingian_I3777,8.28,0.90,0.00,0.00,44.20,32.10,0.11,0.30,5.29,0.50,8.25,0.08
    IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320,4.64,0.00,4.88,1.09,52.24,25.19,0.00,0.00,3.67,0.00,7.44,0.86
    lercavonesCatalan_I3321,3.80,0.00,4.55,0.00,55.48,25.14,0.00,0.83,2.20,0.32,7.68,0.00
    IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136,0.00,0.00,4.83,0.00,61.85,21.67,1.21,0.00,3.88,0.00,6.07,0.49
    IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9,0.89,0.00,1.25,0.00,58.14,21.43,0.49,0.00,4.69,0.00,11.18,1.93
    CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239,0.00,0.00,2.63,2.34,44.59,28.94,2.32,0.66,0.00,0.00,18.51,0.00
    IberianSettlementCataloniaSpain_I3496,5.38,0.21,0.75,0.00,53.63,28.85,1.92,1.72,5.92,0.00,1.63,0.00
    CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3243,8.87,0.00,2.93,4.86,36.62,38.06,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.67,0.00
    ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977,2.96,0.00,2.41,0.00,52.45,25.53,0.60,0.00,3.19,0.00,12.86,0.00
    8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1,4.28,0.00,0.00,0.16,51.43,35.70,0.98,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.48,0.97
    I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2,1.20,0.00,2.31,0.00,22.09,16.57,0.00,0.00,20.72,2.25,34.86,0.00
    I8206_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries1,10.54,1.38,0.82,0.29,39.66,38.43,1.88,0.00,1.52,0.00,3.76,1.71
    I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2,0.47,0.00,4.06,0.00,36.68,5.45,0.00,0.00,12.64,0.00,40.71,0.00
    I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1,6.77,0.00,1.74,0.00,48.23,30.32,0.21,0.60,0.79,0.17,11.18,0.00
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    I8211_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1,6.96,0.00,0.00,0.00,56.45,25.38,5.94,0.00,0.00,0.00,5.27,0.00
    I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical,4.06,0.00,0.00,0.00,37.75,47.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,10.75,0.00
    I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1,6.42,0.00,0.00,2.22,55.45,29.43,1.50,0.00,0.00,2.76,2.22,0.00
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    1 members found this post helpful.
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    So, the real matches start at around 10, and they're Roman Era and onwards.

    All makes sense, I think.

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    17.01190466 I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    17.12127040 MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425
    17.39066704 I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1
    17.57584706 VisigothGermanicGirona_I12163
    17.77518776 I12645_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    17.80648477 I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    17.91124786 I8206_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries1
    18.17958195 I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    18.48926986 I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    18.51607950 I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.70617812 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    18.86419890 I12162_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    18.91308806 I6492_NE_Iberia_RomP
    19.47952258 RomanVillaGranadaSpain_I4055
    19.54739113 HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497
    19.57238871 I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    19.73857644 I7672_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    19.89751492 IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136
    20.03394869 BAIberiaValdescusaLaRioja_VAD002
    20.55279300 I7674_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    21.42752669 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    22.16003836 I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    23.07180530 I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical
    24.26034419 I7458_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    25.23824281 TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561
    25.26275321 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    26.85847538 I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
    27.27200396 I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    28.44515952 I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
    29.57099254 I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    29.99982500 I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
    31.43112152 I8147_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    31.51357803 I10854_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
    32.31492999 I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
    33.83623649 I7426_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    36.93809416 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    37.53646627 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    37.78762496 I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
    37.95916885 I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE
    39.38774936 I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE
    40.27692516 I0411_Troc4_Spain_EN_relative_of_I0410_Els_Trocs_S pain_5303-5204_calBCE
    44.47936375 I7427_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr
    44.51117949 I12646_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    45.43101254 I7158_NE_Iberia_RomP
    50.70577975 I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE
    52.37528425 I3810_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr2



    Target: Carlos
    Distance: 0.1659% / 0.16585629
    17.2 VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032

    11.4 IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878

    10.6 VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758

    8.2 I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE

    5.4 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576

    5.2 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP

    5.2 I7458_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE

    4.6 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644

    4.4 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647

    4.0 I7158_NE_Iberia_RomP

    3.2 I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE

    3.0 VasconicTribe_I8209

    2.4 Pre-RomanGirona_I3324

    2.2 I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE

    2.2 lercavonesCatalan_I3321

    1.8 I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical

    1.6 I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

    1.6 I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE

    1.2 I8145_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE

    1.0 MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649

    1.0 I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1

    0.8 ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977

    0.6 I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE

    0.4 I3577_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE

    0.4 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2

    0.2 I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE

    0.2 I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE

    It roughly coincides with MTA in Sant Julià de Ramis my first Sant Julià is

    5. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (880 AD) ..... 9.193 - I10895
    Visigoth + Vascones (4.831)
    Vascones + Gallo-Roman (5.148)
    Visigoth + Latin (5.661)
    Visigoth (5.682)
    Visigoth + Iberian (5.797)
    Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (6.131)
    Iberian (7.783)
    Gallo-Roman (7.858)
    Vascones (8.07)
    Latin (8.675)

    75. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (990 AD) ..... 15.05 - I10892
    Iberian + Illyrian (7.785)
    Vascones + Illyrian (9.271)
    Vascones + Etruscan (10.61)
    Visigoth + Iberian (10.97)
    Iberian + Etruscan (11.58)
    Iberian (12.34)
    Visigoth (12.97)
    Vascones (13.34)
    Etruscan (13.8)
    Illyrian (15.39)

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    My top 25 matches using Iberian Sample from Duarte Post #788. I4054 is not too bad. I know we should not take the Ancient Historians as "Gospel" but is there any research to establish if the Sicani, one of the three major groups of people in Sicily before any Pheonician sea ports were established in the West Coast and Greeks colonized pretty much the entire island, were in fact from Iberia. I think it is well established the Sicels were part of the Oenotrians Italic Tribe from the Southern Mainland and the Elymi or Elymians are pretty much confirmed to be from Liguria given the language and names of just about every major Elymian town in Trapani and Palermo (i.e. Segesta) are the same as the Ligurian region. The Ausones from Campania had colonized the Lipari Islands and set up trade routes from Campania with the Northern Coast of Sicily in towns like Milazzo, Messina and Ausones also settled and integrated with the Elymi, Sicani and Sicels. Anybody have any thoughts if modern DNA research can establish who the Sicani were and where they are from are is that something that archaeologist are going to have to solve similar to solving the mystery of the Elymi.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    9.79056178 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    12.84361320 I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    12.99809217 I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    13.67693314 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    13.96867209 I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    14.00911489 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    14.38200612 I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    14.86477380 I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    15.21495974 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    15.81303260 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    16.29658246 I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    16.42560501 I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    17.61388089 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
    17.78634308 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
    18.31167114 MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425
    18.39318352 I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.57208389 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581
    18.67874996 I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    18.70885619 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    18.86455406 I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.86455406 SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
    18.88968766 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644
    18.91112900 I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    19.24926232 HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497
    19.32237563 I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    Last edited by Palermo Trapani; 18-02-20 at 18:58.

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    Target: Jovialis
    Distance: 3.2199% / 3.21992557
    33.4 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    31.8 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    20.2 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Target: Jovialis
    Distance: 3.2199% / 3.21992557
    33.4 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    31.8 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    20.2 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    12.4 I7458_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    2.2 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    Distance to: Jovialis
    9.40424372 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    14.30092305 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    14.73361802 I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    14.80892636 I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    15.44085814 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    15.67710432 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    15.93528475 I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    15.98208372 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.14707094 I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    16.47135089 I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    16.76033413 I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.99790575 I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    17.42776233 I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    17.71856371 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
    18.54324675 MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425
    18.64078593 I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.64078593 SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
    18.76095680 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
    18.81172241 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    19.42934636 IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
    19.46995891 I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    19.48897637 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644
    19.49589187 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581
    19.58417473 I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    19.65347298 I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Distance to: Jovialis
    9.40424372 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    14.30092305 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    14.73361802 I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    14.80892636 I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    15.44085814 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    15.67710432 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    15.93528475 I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    15.98208372 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.14707094 I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    16.47135089 I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    16.76033413 I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.99790575 I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    17.42776233 I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    17.71856371 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
    18.54324675 MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425
    18.64078593 I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.64078593 SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
    18.76095680 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
    18.81172241 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    19.42934636 IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
    19.46995891 I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    19.48897637 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644
    19.49589187 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581
    19.58417473 I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    19.65347298 I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    It all makes sense. Olalde et al found that the Classical and Roman Period introduced some new ancestry into Iberia, some of it Italian, some of it Greek, some from even further east, and that made a permanent and lasting, if minor change.

    My top match, 18475, at a distance of 6 is, in modern terms, a North/Central Italian, and so emblematic of that change. I'm sure Romans from Southern Italy also settled in Iberia.

    I thought it would be sort of unfair to use that in my mix, so I removed it, but my "fit" is still surprisingly good, although my distance to individual post Roman ancient Iberian samples only starts at about 10. I think part of that is the inclusion of the Greek like Empuries samples.
    Target: Angela
    Distance: 3.4963% / 3.49626335 | ADC: 0.5x
    53.6 I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    24.2 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    17.0 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    5.2 I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP



    Target: Angela
    Distance: 1.4996% / 1.49955513 | ADC: 0.25x
    30.0 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    22.4 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    20.6 I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP
    15.8 I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    11.2 LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


    OK I removed all three of the samples labeled Empuries 2 by Olalde et al and held by them to be Mycenaean like.

    (Duarte, I think the sample labeled 18206 should read 18216?)

    This is closer to reality.
    Target: Angela
    Distance: 4.3099% / 4.30989324 | ADC: 0.25x
    39.4 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    28.2 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    18.0 I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP
    14.4 I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE



    Target: Angela
    Distance: 5.7698% / 5.76980502 | ADC: 0.5x
    51.2 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    21.8 I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP
    13.0 I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    7.0 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    4.4 I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
    2.6 LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


    If I used only samples before the Roman period I'd be much further away.
    Target: Angela
    Distance: 4.3099% / 4.30989324 | ADC: 0.25x
    39.4 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    28.2 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    18.0 I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP
    14.4 I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE



    Target: Angela
    Distance: 5.7698% / 5.76980502 | ADC: 0.5x
    51.2 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    21.8 I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP
    13.0 I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    7.0 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    4.4 I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
    2.6 LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post

    (Duarte, I think the sample labeled 18206 should read 18216?)
    Hi Angela,

    I8206 and I8216 are different samples, as you can see on the spreadsheet below (link) of Olalde et al paper. Both are Empuries samples.

    Cheers.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1svy...ew?usp=sharing

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    I8213 10-SU-28-D1-E-60 tooth half,half 12213 F K2a .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–400 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8211 10-SU-28-D1-E-96 tooth half,half 29725 M HV0+195 R Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–450 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8212 10-SU-28-D1-E-46 tooth half,half 35129 M H27+16093 R Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8210 10-SU-28-D1-E-91 tooth half,half 63467 M U5b3 R1b1a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8214 10-SU-28-D1-E-82 tooth half,half 530342 F H3+152 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 400–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8209 10-SU-28-D1-E-99 tooth half,half 868050 M U1a1a R1b1a1a2a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 450–400 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8340 10-SU-28-D1-E-63 tooth half 25719 F K1a+195 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8341 10-SU-28-D1-E-62 tooth half 48396 M H1 R1b1a1a2a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8344 10-SU-28-D1-E-74 tooth half 38534 M H3 R1b1a1a Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–400 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8215 10-SU-28-D1-E-76 tooth half,half 829948 F HV11 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries2) NE 400–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8204 12-SU-33-A4-600 tooth half,half 131452 F H1e .. Yes NE_Iberia_Hel_out NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8206 12-SU-33-A4-T680 tooth half,half 425016 M H7a1 R1b1a1a2a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1) NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8203 02-SU-33-A4-T1058 tooth half,half 524097 F H13a1a1 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1) NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8205 12-SU-33-A4-180 tooth half,half 72446 M H14a2c J Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2) NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8208 12-SU-33-A4-T510 tooth half,half 385525 M H33 J Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2) NE 370–204 cal BCE (2220±20 BP, PSUAMS-4277) Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8202 02-SU-33-A4-T1077 tooth half,half 113554 M K2b1 R1b1a1a2a1a Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1) NE 100–300 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8339 10-SU-28-D1-E-8 tooth half 270050 F K1a+195 .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1) NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I10865 10-SU-28-D1-E-37 petrous half 40795 M U5a1a1 HIJK(xI,xJ) Yes NE_Iberia_RomP_out NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I10866 10-SU-28-D1-E-20 petrous half 799391 F K1b2a .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP_out NE 43 cal BCE–51 cal CE (2005±15 BP, PSUAMS-5281) Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8338 10-SU-28-D1-E-15 tooth half 45674 F HV0+195 .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2) NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8475 10-SU-28-D1-E-16 tooth half 551105 F T2b .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP_out NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8216 10-SU-28-D1-E-35 tooth half,half 42507 M H1 J Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2) NE 57–208 cal CE (1895±20 BP, PSUAMS-4212) Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8474 10-SU-28-D1-E-47 tooth half 46847 F U5a1a2b .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1) NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I7158 MGA'92 UE 108 tooth half 5395 M T2b11 .. No (Low coverage) NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I6492 MGA'92 UE 105 tooth half 9030 M T2b11 R1b1a1a2a1a2c No (Low coverage) NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I6490 MGA'92-Resta II tooth half 87409 F K1c2 .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I6491 MGA'92-Resta III tooth half 20130 M H4a1a R No (Contamination) NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I8343 05-SMG-8075 tooth half 93034 M J1c2c2 R1b1a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Late_RomP NE 500–600 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Hi Angela,

    I8206 and I8216 are different samples, as you can see on the spreadsheet below (link) of Olalde et al paper. Both are Empuries samples.

    Cheers.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1svy...ew?usp=sharing

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    I8213 10-SU-28-D1-E-60 tooth half,half 12213 F K2a .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–400 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8211 10-SU-28-D1-E-96 tooth half,half 29725 M HV0+195 R Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–450 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8212 10-SU-28-D1-E-46 tooth half,half 35129 M H27+16093 R Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8210 10-SU-28-D1-E-91 tooth half,half 63467 M U5b3 R1b1a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8214 10-SU-28-D1-E-82 tooth half,half 530342 F H3+152 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 400–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8209 10-SU-28-D1-E-99 tooth half,half 868050 M U1a1a R1b1a1a2a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 450–400 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8340 10-SU-28-D1-E-63 tooth half 25719 F K1a+195 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8341 10-SU-28-D1-E-62 tooth half 48396 M H1 R1b1a1a2a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8344 10-SU-28-D1-E-74 tooth half 38534 M H3 R1b1a1a Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries1) NE 500–400 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8215 10-SU-28-D1-E-76 tooth half,half 829948 F HV11 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek(Empúries2) NE 400–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8204 12-SU-33-A4-600 tooth half,half 131452 F H1e .. Yes NE_Iberia_Hel_out NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8206 12-SU-33-A4-T680 tooth half,half 425016 M H7a1 R1b1a1a2a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1) NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8203 02-SU-33-A4-T1058 tooth half,half 524097 F H13a1a1 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1) NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8205 12-SU-33-A4-180 tooth half,half 72446 M H14a2c J Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2) NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8208 12-SU-33-A4-T510 tooth half,half 385525 M H33 J Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2) NE 370–204 cal BCE (2220±20 BP, PSUAMS-4277) Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8202 02-SU-33-A4-T1077 tooth half,half 113554 M K2b1 R1b1a1a2a1a Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1) NE 100–300 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8339 10-SU-28-D1-E-8 tooth half 270050 F K1a+195 .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1) NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I10865 10-SU-28-D1-E-37 petrous half 40795 M U5a1a1 HIJK(xI,xJ) Yes NE_Iberia_RomP_out NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I10866 10-SU-28-D1-E-20 petrous half 799391 F K1b2a .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP_out NE 43 cal BCE–51 cal CE (2005±15 BP, PSUAMS-5281) Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8338 10-SU-28-D1-E-15 tooth half 45674 F HV0+195 .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2) NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8475 10-SU-28-D1-E-16 tooth half 551105 F T2b .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP_out NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8216 10-SU-28-D1-E-35 tooth half,half 42507 M H1 J Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2) NE 57–208 cal CE (1895±20 BP, PSUAMS-4212) Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8474 10-SU-28-D1-E-47 tooth half 46847 F U5a1a2b .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1) NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I7158 MGA'92 UE 108 tooth half 5395 M T2b11 .. No (Low coverage) NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I6492 MGA'92 UE 105 tooth half 9030 M T2b11 R1b1a1a2a1a2c No (Low coverage) NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I6490 MGA'92-Resta II tooth half 87409 F K1c2 .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I6491 MGA'92-Resta III tooth half 20130 M H4a1a R No (Contamination) NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I8343 05-SMG-8075 tooth half 93034 M J1c2c2 R1b1a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Late_RomP NE 500–600 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    Thanks, Duarte. I was hoping that it was a typo, because I'm working on figuring out the "Mycenaean" like Empuries samples better, and it seems we don't have coordinates for 18216, 18215, and 18338 on the list of samples for which we have coordinates.

    I think we discussed it before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Thanks, Duarte. I was hoping that it was a typo, because I'm working on figuring out the "Mycenaean" like Empuries samples better, and it seems we don't have coordinates for 18216, 18215, and 18338 on the list of samples for which we have coordinates.

    I think we discussed it before.
    You’re welcome Angela. In fact, I remember not having localized some samples of Empuries in the European Nucleotide Archive (ENA) database. When I can, I'll check it again to get the coordinates of Empuries samples that I haven't yet, if there are others. Cheers:)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    You’re welcome Angela. In fact, I remember not having localized some samples of Empuries in the European Nucleotide Archive (ENA) database. When I can, I'll check it again to get the coordinates of Empuries samples that I haven't yet, if there are others. Cheers:)


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    That would be great. Thanks. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Hey Salento: Wanted to get back with you. Thanks for the information again. When I began to download the admixture studio program, my anti virus software went pazzo. So I left it alone. I gathered that is a site from non USA which is why I think my anti virus software automatically deleted it (mine is from my workplace).
    ... from your home PC, click “More info” and “Run anyway” (or something like that)

    it’s a standard Windows message for many 3d party apps, is up to you if you want to install it or not.

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