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    ... huge distance from me, Obviously I have evolved beyond ...


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    Salento's suggestion to compare Me to Otzi on GEDMATCH

    Salento: Thanks for the tip. I get something on 6 Chromosomes, which is kind of neat. What are your thoughts? Regardless of how good this is (I think it is not to bad, curious what some of the mods say), Dove mando la bottiglia di vino?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Salento: Thanks. I am over at GEDMATCH and have my Kit over there, but actually never tried this before, was always running the Dodecad, Punt, Eurogenes calculators. I will give this a shot. I doubt I share segments with Otzi but you never know. It is clearly the oldest sample that I get a Distance that low, which I know is 20, but Otzi is the oldest known European Mummy we have so not too shabby.

    Do you know off the top of your head why the Italian/Sicilian Bell Beakers are not included in the Punt DNAL source sample spreadsheet?
    ... I guess nobody cared to add them,

    this is Otzi Dodecad K12 code:
    (he has a lot of Sicilian Cumpari) :)

    Otzi_dok_K12,0,0,5.85,0.33,48.10,4.42,0.20,4.25,9. 75,2.39,22.61,2.11

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    (he has a lot of Sicilian Cumpari) :)

    Otzi_dok_K12,0,0,5.85,0.33,48.10,4.42,0.20,4.25,9. 75,2.39,22.61,2.11[/QUOTE]

    Salento using the Other Dodecad 12 coordinates that the Jovialis and the rest of the Eupedia team have put together. I get 23.57 using Dodecad K12B, I included the 2 Beakers that I get distances lower than the Beakers in the PuntDNAL. I think the calculator MTA uses gives me a 15 for the Sicilian_Bell Beaker. Thanks for the GEDMATCH tips and the Otzi Dodecad K12 coordinates.


    18.25766688 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy

    20.92535065 I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily

    23.57074882 Otzi_dok_K12

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    @Palermo Trapani
    thanks for il Vino :)

    You Win, with Otzi you get 7.5 cM and I get 6.9 cM

    ... about the cM, ... Everyone has an opinion to express, lol

    I think that in this case the cM it’s OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Palermo Trapani
    thanks for il Vino :)

    You Win, with Otzi you get 7.5 cM and I get 6.9 cM

    ... about the cM, ... Everyone has an opinion to express, lol

    I think that in this case the cM it’s OK
    Otzi must have just given me some intrinsic desire for Cannoli's and Cassata, that is my story. Again good job with the suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Otzi must have just given me some intrinsic desire for Cannoli's and Cassata, that is my story. Again good job with the suggestions.
    Otzi Dodecad K12 Ancient results:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Otzi Dodecad K12 Ancient results:

    Ok, really neat, so Otzi is relatively pretty close to those Sicilian samples from the paper that came out earlier this year. Here are my distances from the Ancient Sardinians and Sicilians, not including the Sicilian_Bell Beaker. Distances range from 18 for I_3876 to 30.98 for I_4063. So ok, not terrible for a bunch of samples over 4,000 years, to me at least. In same Area code!

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    8.41816488 I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
    12.24358199 I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus
    17.04939588 I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi
    18.04210354 I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    19.50048205 I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
    19.53551126 I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    19.79989646 I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
    20.02307669 I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    20.11438789 I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    20.19769789 I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno
    20.29788659 I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    20.67843563 I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    20.69572178 I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
    20.72742628 I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    20.83430824 I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
    22.17047135 I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    22.34168973 I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    23.91030740 I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    24.91285411 I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna
    25.33204690 I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju
    27.05956947 I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna
    27.12667138 I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
    27.29963187 I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello
    27.52953505 I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    29.54683063 I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna
    30.09199063 I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo
    30.42349092 I7805_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
    30.97076363 I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    30.98842687 I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna

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    Distance to: PuntDNALk12_Stuvanè

    17.52635729 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
    18.58986821 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
    20.16762753 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
    20.21640918 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    20.53395237 Unetice_EBA_I0117
    20.55172012 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    23.63013330 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
    23.83470579 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
    24.04003328 Srubnaya_I0430
    25.23614868 Potapovka_I0419
    25.43232589 Vatya_SG_RISE479
    26.31887536 Hungary_BA_I1502
    26.68544922 Iceman_MN_SG
    26.70979596 Hungary_CA_I1497
    27.58610520 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
    28.32936992 Hungary_EN_I0495
    28.70493337 Srubnaya_I0232
    28.73905357 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
    29.04243791 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
    29.81515051 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
    29.95151415 Andronovo_SG_RISE505
    30.22537345 LBK_EN_I0054
    30.29691733 Iberia_EN_I0412
    30.64691175 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
    30.73683783 Armenian_MBA

    Target: PuntDNALk12_Stuvanè
    Distance: 9.3909% / 9.39092818 | ADC: 1x
    68.4 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
    21.4 Iceman_MN_SG
    10.2 Armenian_MBA

    Target: PuntDNALk12_Stuvanè
    Distance: 4.2137% / 4.21371950 | ADC: 0.5x
    36.2 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
    26.6 Iceman_MN_SG
    22.4 Armenian_MBA
    11.0 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
    3.8 Starcevo_MN_I0174

    Target: PuntDNALk12_Stuvanè
    Distance: 2.0426% / 2.04260520 | ADC: 0.25x
    25.8 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
    22.2 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    18.8 Starcevo_MN_I0174
    18.2 Armenian_MBA
    9.8 LBK_EN_I0054
    5.2 Iceman_MN_SG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    You can try the FREE one to one comparison with Otzi the Iceman at GedMatch, Kit # T882519

    just put a 1 in the input box where it says “... value = 7

    (It only works if you share a certain amount of segments with a sample)




    LBK Stuttgart_SG Kit # F999916

    are we sure he is otzi the iceman ?
    i mean look how weird his eurogenes k13 results

    Kit Number: T882519 Elapsed Time: 7.36 seconds





    Population
    North_Atlantic 16.85 Pct
    Baltic -
    West_Med 39.58 Pct
    West_Asian -
    East_Med 25.76 Pct
    Red_Sea 3.26 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian 6.28 Pct
    Siberian 1.63 Pct
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 2.19 Pct
    Northeast_African 4.43 Pct
    Sub-Saharan -

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    are we sure he is otzi the iceman ?
    i mean look how weird his eurogenes k13 results

    Kit Number: T882519 Elapsed Time: 7.36 seconds


    Population
    North_Atlantic 16.85 Pct
    Baltic -
    West_Med 39.58 Pct
    West_Asian -
    East_Med 25.76 Pct
    Red_Sea 3.26 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian 6.28 Pct
    Siberian 1.63 Pct
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 2.19 Pct
    Northeast_African 4.43 Pct
    Sub-Saharan -
    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Thanks, Ötzi Kit T882519 is in good shape. The other two, not so much ... :)

    Iceman_2 T882519
    Kit T882519
    Status: Good
    Number of original snps is 241844


    Iceman2012 UE6375887
    Kit UE6375887
    Status: Less than 2,000 SNPs for Chr1-22
    Number of original snps is 2107

    Tyrolean Iceman OTZI Tisenjoch Pass, Oetztal Alps XN1042534 M CT-M5825 - 5300 years
    Kit XN1042534
    Status: Less than 2,000 SNPs for Chr1-22
    Kit XN1042534 has not completed batch processing for the one-to-many comparison results.
    Number of original snps is 1264
    ... got it from here:
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post580302

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    Otzi
    (I think 99.9%) :) GedMatch # T882519 - EU K13 modern

    #1 Sardegna

    Distance to: Otzi_EU_K13
    13.50960399 Sardinia



    25.98374107 Apulia


    Otzi_EU_K13,16.85,0,39.58,0,25.76,3.26,0,6.28,1.63 ,0,2.19,4.43,0

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    The EU K13 Otzi featured on Vahaduo is:

    #1 Sardegna

    ... must be from a different file / Kit,
    ... and I don’t know if it’s better or worse quality of # T882519
    ... but they both start with:

    Sardinia
    Sardinian
    FrenchCorsica



    Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp,24.42,0.00,46.4 2,0.00,24.87,2.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,1.53,0. 00

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    The EU K13 Otzi featured on Vahaduo is:

    #1 Sardegna

    ... must be from a different file / Kit,
    ... and I don’t know if it’s better or worse quality of # T882519
    ... but they both start with:

    Sardinia
    Sardinian
    FrenchCorsica



    Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp,24.42,0.00,46.4 2,0.00,24.87,2.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,1.53,0. 00
    maybe lukasz know
    because the values of the eurogenes k13 otzi kit in vahaduo
    looks more logic
    not scoring east asian and siberian .......

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    Distance to: New_Englander
    3.95953280 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.29397252 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    4.79885403 CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
    4.98184705 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    5.26657384 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    5.28824167 Szolad37
    5.97147385 Szolad36
    6.52223121 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    6.64915032 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    6.67253325 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    6.71292783 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.12226790 scy192_Scythian
    7.14725122 Szolad31
    7.42528114 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.54028514 scy300_Scythian
    7.87182317 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    7.98444112 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    8.04194628 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.17937650 R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.19025641 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    8.29413045 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    8.44258847 Collegno121
    8.50715581 scy305_Scythian
    8.68067970 R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.74982286 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Target: New_Englander
    Distance: 0.0596% / 0.05962805
    3.4 Collegno25
    3.4 R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    3.2 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    3.0 R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    2.8 France_IA_ERS88
    2.4 R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
    2.2 I1700_AG88_1_Early_MPPNB
    2.2 MX310_Switzerland_LN
    2.0 France_BA_RIX2
    2.0 I1631_AR1/43c_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
    1.8 I1154_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Le vant
    1.8 I1170_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Le vant
    1.8 I12029_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    1.8 R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    1.8 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    1.6 ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age
    1.4 I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara _Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
    1.4 I0550_KAR22A_Karsdorf_LN_Karsdorf_Germany_2564-2475_calBCE
    1.4 MX279_Switzerland_LN
    1.4 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    1.4 Szolad12
    1.2 ASH008_Iron_Age2
    1.2 France_IA_COL153A
    1.2 R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    1.0 ASH066_Iron_Age1
    1.0 ASH067_Iron_Age1
    1.0 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    1.0 I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
    1.0 I1665_SG19_Seh_Gabi_Iran¬_ChL
    1.0 I1674_SG21_Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
    1.0 I1955_GD1150_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485
    1.0 I2318_Peloponnese_Neolithic
    1.0 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    1.0 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    1.0 R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    1.0 R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    1.0 R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    1.0 R76_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    1.0 RISE109_Wojkowice_Poland_3544_years
    1.0 RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years
    1.0 RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years
    1.0 RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years
    1.0 RISE431_Leki_Male_Poland_3762_years
    1.0 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary
    1.0 RISE568¬_Brandysek_Czech_Republic
    0.8 I1160_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Le vant
    0.8 I3151_Trypillia
    0.8 I6492_NE_Iberia_RomP
    0.8 I8211_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1
    0.8 RISE546_Temrta_IV_Russia_~2000_years
    0.8 TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561
    0.6 ASH2-3_Iron_Age1
    0.6 France_BA_RIX15
    0.6 I1171_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Le vant
    0.6 I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
    0.6 I1658_TA3/R8_Early_Bronze_Age_Aragatsotn_Armenia
    0.6 I1661_SG16_Seh_Gabi_Iran_Late_Neolithic
    0.6 I3712_Ukraine_Neolithic
    0.6 I3778_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    0.6 I5402_Iron_Gates_HG
    0.6 I5405_Lepenski_Vir
    0.6 I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical
    0.6 R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    0.6 R1551_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    0.6 Szolad19
    0.4 ANI163_Varna_Outlier
    0.4 Collegno63
    0.4 France_IA_Jeb8
    0.4 I0060_ROT3_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany _2294-2206_calBCE
    0.4 I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    0.4 I1945_GD16_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic
    0.4 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    0.4 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    0.4 KO1_Hungary_5710BC
    0.4 R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    0.4 RISE00_Sope_Estonia_~2000_years
    0.4 RISE435_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4094_years
    0.4 RISE47_Sebber_skole_Denmark_3153_years
    0.4 RISE555_Stalingard_Quarry_Russia_4082_years
    0.4 RISE567_Knezeves_Czech_Republic
    0.4 RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    0.4 Szolad13
    0.2 Aesch11_Switzerland_LN
    0.2 ANI153_Varna
    0.2 ANI159_ANI181_Varna
    0.2 ANI160_Varna_Outlier
    0.2 ASH029_Late_Bronze_Age
    0.2 BR2_Hungary_1180BC
    0.2 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
    0.2 Bul4_Yamnaya_Bulgaria
    0.2 I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
    0.2 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    0.2 I0171_BZH12_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_Benzingerode-Heimburg_Germany_2204-2136_calBCE
    0.2 I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Ru ssia_3305-2925_calBCE
    0.2 I1168_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Le vant
    0.2 I1172_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Le vant
    0.2 I1179_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Le vant
    0.2 I1181_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Le vant
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    0.2 I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
    0.2 I2216_Malak_Preslavets
    0.2 I2427_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    0.2 I2430_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    0.2 I2510_Balkans_BronzeAge
    0.2 I2532_Balkans_Neolithic
    0.2 I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna
    0.2 I5068_LBK_Austria
    0.2 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    0.2 I7672_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    0.2 I7676_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    0.2 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    0.2 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    0.2 MX265_Switzerland_LN
    0.2 NE1_Hungary_5230BC
    0.2 NE7_Hungary_4420BC
    0.2 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    0.2 R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    0.2 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    0.2 R17_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    0.2 R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    0.2 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    0.2 R38_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    0.2 R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    0.2 R9_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    0.2 RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years
    0.2 RISE154_Szczepankowice_Poland_3522_years
    0.2 RISE175_Abekas_I_Sweden_3025_years
    0.2 RISE276_Trundholm_mose_II_2525_years
    0.2 RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
    0.2 RISE446_Bergrheinfeld_Germany_4015_years
    0.2 RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years
    0.2 RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary
    0.2 RISE484_Erd_4_Hungary
    0.2 RISE563_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany
    0.2 RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
    0.2 RISE94_Viby_Sweden_4025_years
    0.2 SX29_Switzerland_LN
    0.2 Szolad27

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    assuming was dod k12, ... interesting,

    you’re closer to the Apulia-Abruzzo Crusader than me :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    The EU K13 Otzi featured on Vahaduo is:

    #1 Sardegna

    ... must be from a different file / Kit,
    ... and I don’t know if it’s better or worse quality of # T882519
    ... but they both start with:

    Sardinia
    Sardinian
    FrenchCorsica



    Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp,24.42,0.00,46.4 2,0.00,24.87,2.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,1.53,0. 00
    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    maybe lukasz know
    because the values of the eurogenes k13 otzi kit in vahaduo
    looks more logic
    not scoring east asian and siberian .......
    @Salento and @Kingjohn

    “The Iceman’s ancestry most closely mirrors that of modern-day Sardinians,” said Underhill, who, with Bustamante, came to the conclusion by analyzing the mummy’s Y chromosome. “His lineage is very rare in mainland Europe — only 1 percent or less share the same sequence — but is rather frequent in northern Sardinia and southern Corsica.”
    Sardinia is the second-largest island in the Mediterranean Sea. It lies 120 miles west of Italy’s mainland and 7.5 miles south of the French island of Corsica.
    “When we found the Iceman was most closely related with modern Sardinians, it was at first hard to believe,” said Bustamante. “It’s a real mystery. Did he or his ancestors travel to the Alps from Sardinia, or did the Europe of 5,000 years ago more closely resemble Sardinia and Corsica? It’s a fascinating question in part because it addresses how rapidly people spread across Europe, and how far they rambled.”

    Source: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-ne...nean-isle.html

    Out of curiosity, another paper to read about Ötzi, the iceman:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/24667-iceman-mummy-otzi-closest-relatives.html

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    I used the GEDmatch k12b results input into the Dec_Anciant_k12b, was the only difference the spreadsheet populations or is it a completely different calculator? Iv tried those indy downloadable calcs, but I cant figure out how to use them and am afraid of computer viruses.


    After the validity of that calculator I used was questioned I went back and did it again to make sure. My distances were all exactly the same but my single changed. Very strange.

    New_Englander,7.69,0,1.60,0,27.50,21.49,1.28,0.10, 10.87,0,29.34,0.08

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    You can try the FREE one to one comparison with Otzi the Iceman at GedMatch, Kit # T882519

    just put a 1 in the input box where it says “... value = 7

    (It only works if you share a certain amount of segments with a sample)




    LBK Stuttgart_SG Kit # F999916


    I get with Otzi

    Largest segment = 6.2 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 25.4 cM (0.710 Pct)

    6 shared segments found for this comparison.

    148539 SNPs used for this comparison.

    42.451 Pct SNPs are full identical


    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-Y33791
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I get with Otzi

    Largest segment = 6.2 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 25.4 cM (0.710 Pct)

    6 shared segments found for this comparison.

    148539 SNPs used for this comparison.

    42.451 Pct SNPs are full identical


    Torzio: 9 Segments, pretty good, I got 7.5 with Otzi. The calculators for Otzi are, in my view, regardless of the distances, are showing that Otzi is closest to modern Sardians, which as Duarte noted in post #969, is what the Research papers on Otzi document. So it does appear the calculators are documenting Otzi's closest modern relatives are Sardinians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Otzi Dodecad K12 Ancient results:

    I don't know if you remember when the Otzi genome first came out we discussed here how the first analyses and PCAs showed that after Sardinia, he was closest to Sicily.

    I remember speculating too that given the copper ax he carried his might have been a line coming from the Balkans in the Chalcolithic, and here we go, the Bronze Age Chalcolithic shows up.

    The usual suspects attacked the whole idea mercilessly. Of course.:)

    Great work on this, btw.

    Here is mine to the decent kit using gedmatch.
    Largest segment = 5.6 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 61.9 cM (1.729 Pct)

    16 shared segments found for this comparison.

    241549 SNPs used for this comparison.

    42.792 Pct SNPs are full identical



    I came late to the discussion about the different kits, so this may have been answered already. Do we know which calculator uses the optimal sample? Is it K13, Dodecad K12b or Punt?

    As to K13:

    From Punt:
    Distance to: Angela 21.38129790Iceman_MN_SG

    From Eurogenes:
    Distance to:Angela 27.30328369Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp

    From K12b:

    I don't know. :)

    Where did you guys get the K12 coordinates for him?

    I scoured the ancient list on Dodecad K12b Ancient, and couldn't find him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post

    I always get .................and it is strange

    54.6 Ust_Ishim_DG
    16.0 Hungary_HG_I1507
    14.6 Scythian_IA_I0247
    9.4 Karelia_HG_I0061
    5.4 Hungary_CA_I1497

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K-M9#Structure

    Ust_Ishim is part of K2a ...............I am part of K1b ................both have K-M9 in there markers ( I am confirmed with a snp of K-M9 )

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I always get .................and it is strange

    54.6 Ust_Ishim_DG
    16.0 Hungary_HG_I1507
    14.6 Scythian_IA_I0247
    9.4 Karelia_HG_I0061
    5.4 Hungary_CA_I1497

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K-M9#Structure

    Ust_Ishim is part of K2a ...............I am part of K1b ................both have K-M9 in there markers ( I am confirmed with a snp of K-M9 )
    I meant to mention it before when I saw your results. There's something wrong. There's no way you're closest to a Central Asian.

    Maybe you should check the coordinates you used.

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    PuntDNAL K12 Ancient


    Distance to: RegioX(FTDNA)
    15.63401740 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
    16.72371071 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
    17.69922315 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    17.93216384 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    18.13373927 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
    18.55134766 Unetice_EBA_I0117
    21.32703683 Srubnaya_I0430
    21.66616025 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
    21.80579052 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
    22.85153168 Potapovka_I0419
    25.01924259 Vatya_SG_RISE479
    25.44921413 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
    25.99100806 Hungary_BA_I1502
    26.16013188 Srubnaya_I0232
    26.22103163 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
    26.35417424 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
    27.18607180 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
    27.47221323 Andronovo_SG_RISE505
    28.14680266 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
    29.12683471 Iceman_MN_SG
    29.16474756 Hungary_CA_I1497
    29.56404066 Armenian_MBA
    30.87219623 Hungary_EN_I0495
    31.63799140 Scythian_IA_I0247
    32.73640939 Iberia_EN_I0412



    Distance to: RegioX(23andMe)
    15.02042609 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
    16.32278163 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
    17.58474339 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
    17.99592176 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    18.01091891 Unetice_EBA_I0117
    18.80699870 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    21.14174070 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
    21.27517803 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
    22.24641994 Srubnaya_I0430
    23.01701979 Vatya_SG_RISE479
    23.09509039 Potapovka_I0419
    23.92683013 Hungary_BA_I1502
    25.59263957 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
    26.85280618 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
    26.85299238 Srubnaya_I0232
    26.91028056 Hungary_CA_I1497
    27.04927356 Iceman_MN_SG
    27.36079677 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
    28.12566799 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
    28.38138827 Andronovo_SG_RISE505
    28.81463517 Hungary_EN_I0495
    28.83007457 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
    30.42044050 Epserstedt_MN_I0172
    30.75098698 Iberia_EN_I0412
    30.76529213 Baalberge_MN_I0560



    Distance to: Father(23andMe)
    12.90901236 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
    14.54484789 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
    15.49008070 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
    15.91925250 Unetice_EBA_I0117
    17.08544995 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    18.84443154 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    19.17426922 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
    19.28399855 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
    19.88448139 Vatya_SG_RISE479
    20.71382630 Hungary_BA_I1502
    21.79409553 Potapovka_I0419
    21.81748381 Srubnaya_I0430
    24.15538449 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
    25.86991689 Hungary_CA_I1497
    26.04808246 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
    26.09027788 Srubnaya_I0232
    26.33861424 Iceman_MN_SG
    27.00301094 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
    27.62630268 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
    27.85054039 Andronovo_SG_RISE505
    28.01664862 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
    28.16083450 Hungary_EN_I0495
    28.73991301 Epserstedt_MN_I0172
    28.88048822 Baalberge_MN_I0560
    29.42605308 Iberia_M_I0406



    Distance to: Mother(23andMe)
    13.57170586 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
    14.85635218 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
    16.23857137 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
    16.63103124 Unetice_EBA_I0117
    16.92605093 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    19.35590866 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    19.61354634 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
    19.68276403 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
    19.83106654 Vatya_SG_RISE479
    20.76369909 Hungary_BA_I1502
    22.34437737 Potapovka_I0419
    22.40426745 Srubnaya_I0430
    24.52327874 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
    25.45134967 Hungary_CA_I1497
    26.21852780 Iceman_MN_SG
    26.37178796 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
    26.50719148 Srubnaya_I0232
    27.48110624 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
    27.79300631 Hungary_EN_I0495
    28.09147914 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
    28.25617101 Andronovo_SG_RISE505
    28.39843658 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
    28.42096409 Baalberge_MN_I0560
    28.74180231 Epserstedt_MN_I0172
    29.19368425 Iberia_M_I0406
    Forgot to post the Single.

    (Wow! I get 25.83 of CHG in this calculator, using FTDNA data!)

    Target: RegioX(FTDNA)
    Distance: 0.1733% / 0.17329166

    22.0 LBK_EN_I0054
    15.4 Satsurblia_SATP
    13.0 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    10.4 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    9.2 Starcevo_MN_I0174
    5.2 Stuttgart_SG
    4.4 Motala12
    4.2 Epserstedt_MN_I0172
    4.2 Iberia_M_I0406
    2.6 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
    2.4 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
    2.4 Vatya_SG_RISE479
    2.0 LaBrana
    0.8 Samara_HG_I0124
    0.6 Loschbour_SG
    0.4 Armenian_MBA
    0.2 AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
    0.2 Hungary_HG_I1507
    0.2 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
    0.2 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
    Target: RegioX(23andMe)
    Distance: 0.2379% / 0.23794957
    25.0 LBK_EN_I0054
    19.6 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    13.0 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    12.0 Satsurblia_SATP
    7.6 Stuttgart_SG
    6.4 Baalberge_MN_I0560
    6.2 Epserstedt_MN_I0172
    3.4 LaBrana
    2.0 Motala12
    1.8 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
    1.0 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
    0.6 AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
    0.6 Samara_HG_I0124
    0.6 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
    0.2 Hungary_HG_I1507
    Target: Father(23andMe)
    Distance: 0.1816% / 0.18163150
    21.0 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
    13.8 LBK_EN_I0054
    12.4 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
    9.4 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    6.6 Starcevo_MN_I0174
    6.2 Satsurblia_SATP
    5.8 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
    5.2 Epserstedt_MN_I0172
    4.0 Stuttgart_SG
    3.2 AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
    2.6 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
    2.2 Armenian_MBA
    2.0 LaBrana
    2.0 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
    1.6 Motala12
    1.2 Kotias_Kide_KK
    0.4 Hungary_HG_I1507
    0.4 Samara_HG_I0124
    Target: Mother(23andMe)
    Distance: 0.3589% / 0.35891503
    25.8 LBK_EN_I0054
    16.2 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
    12.4 Stuttgart_SG
    11.4 Satsurblia_SATP
    10.0 Baalberge_MN_I0560
    6.8 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
    5.2 LaBrana
    3.6 Motala12
    2.8 Epserstedt_MN_I0172
    1.4 Hungary_HG_I1507
    1.2 Iceman_MN_SG
    1.2 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
    1.0 Karelia_HG_I0061
    0.8 Samara_HG_I0124
    0.2 Armenian_MBA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I don't know if you remember when the Otzi genome first came out we discussed here how the first analyses and PCAs showed that after Sardinia, he was closest to Sicily.

    I remember speculating too that given the copper ax he carried his might have been a line coming from the Balkans in the Chalcolithic, and here we go, the Bronze Age Chalcolithic shows up.

    The usual suspects attacked the whole idea mercilessly. Of course.:)

    Great work on this, btw.

    Here is mine to the decent kit using gedmatch.
    Largest segment = 5.6 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 61.9 cM (1.729 Pct)

    16 shared segments found for this comparison.

    241549 SNPs used for this comparison.

    42.792 Pct SNPs are full identical



    I came late to the discussion about the different kits, so this may have been answered already. Do we know which calculator uses the optimal sample? Is it K13, Dodecad K12b or Punt?

    As to K13:

    From Punt:
    Distance to: Angela 21.38129790Iceman_MN_SG

    From Eurogenes:
    Distance to:Angela 27.30328369Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp

    From K12b:

    I don't know. :)

    Where did you guys get the K12 coordinates for him?

    I scoured the ancient list on Dodecad K12b Ancient, and couldn't find him.
    Hi Angela,

    I got the Dodecad K12 coordinates from GedMatch:
    Kit: T882519 (Iceman_2)

    ... about the optimal calculator, I’m not sure :)

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