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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Bolded are new coordinates for Dodecad K12b; more to come:

    IA_Latin_Ardea_R850,7.30,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0 ,0.43,14.77,0,40.10,0
    IA_Latin_Ardea_R851,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0. 14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
    IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435,4.84,0.64,0.65 ,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
    IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437,6.45,0,3.03,0,33 .19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
    IA_Civitavecchia_R475,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37 ,1.98,11.26,0,22.70,0.42
    IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015,1.56,0.19,2.85,0,47 .15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
    IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1,5.02,1.78,1.33, 0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.50,0.40
    IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.2 3,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.10,0
    IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021,2.11,0,1.96,0.60,47.70,24. 04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
    IA_Civitavecchia_R474,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74 ,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
    IA_Civitavecchia_R473,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79 ,0,0.21,7.39,0.21,20.17,0.34
    MA_Villa_Magna_R60,6.75,0.68,3.35,0,27.36,18.94,0, 1.54,11.04,0,30.34,0
    MA_Villa_Magna_R65,7.61,0,2.22,0.30,28.15,13.40,0, 0,12.74,0,35.20,0.38
    MA_Villa_Magna_R57,6.89,0,2.97,0.58,27.50,15.59,0, 0,0.58,0,34.62,0
    MA_Villa_Magna_R59,4.24,0,2.25,0.19,28.74,15.80,0. 31,0,12.53,0.66,34.39,0.88
    MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970,9.25,0,5.12,0.53,29. 32,18.41,0,0,7.11,0,30.25,0.01
    MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973,8.17,0.16,2.94,0,28. 76,15.28,0,0,10.56,0.15,33.57,0.40
    MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969,6.45,0.25,0.99,0,30. 40,17.81,0.65,1.10,11.67,0,30.67,0
    MA_Villa_Magna_R1290,6.30,0,1.09,0.34,30.16,15.96, 0.27,0,12.04,0.09,32.81,0.93
    Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548,10.45,0,1.98,0,23.44,1 0.87,0,0.17,13.89,0,39.20,0
    Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549,9.97,0,3.98,0.04,27.49 ,20.49,0,0.96,10.94,0.05,26.09,0
    Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836,8.69,0,0.99,0,30.9 5,15.55,0,0,10.40,0,33.42,0
    LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121,7.68,0,2.81,0, 29.21,18.18,0,0.90,11.76,0,29.47,0
    LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118,7.28,0.85,1.85 ,0,34.72,14.81,0,0,11.95,0,28.29,0.24
    LA_Celio_R36,7.23,0,3.17,0,32.85,20.10,0,0.35,9.77 ,0,26.50,0.02
    I will add them but for Dodecad K12b Ancient, first I need more samples from other areas for it to create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Happy NY!
    Here's the updated k13 ancient :)



    Here are mine for comparison:
    3.23024767 SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    3.92136456 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
    4.61476977 SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    5.48877035 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    5.52075176 SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
    6.08428303 I7424_morisco
    6.61990936 CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
    6.84388778 I7424_morisco2
    7.73375717 SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
    9.31946887 col018_col018_M_R1b-Z2123_T2b
    9.37121123 SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    9.81173787 CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
    9.93161115 I12647_iberia2
    9.96091361 I12647_iberia
    10.26733169 CrusaderSI41KingdomofJerusalem
    10.48618138 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
    10.51419517 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 _2
    10.54139459 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1
    10.57125820 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
    10.66753486 col001_col001
    10.67171964 CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
    10.70753006 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    10.82380709 RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_ GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9
    11.21984848 SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
    12.17064912 SZ19_szolad_hungary_longobard
    12.52218032 I12516_iberia
    12.74365332 SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
    12.89520454 CL49_collegno_italy_longobard
    13.44571679 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    13.49187904 I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE2
    13.63865463 SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.74177208 I3807_morisco
    13.81188619 I3807_morisco
    14.21938466 I10865_iberia
    14.24593275 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    14.41144337 I12649_low_quality
    14.74637244 DA195_Hungary_Scythian
    14.90830306 CL94_collegno_italy_longobard
    15.25983617 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    15.43876614 DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary
    15.57760251 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    15.59921152 IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    15.61387204 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    15.64138741 SZ45.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    15.69199477 CL57_collegno_italy_longobard
    16.00789180 IA_Ardea_R851
    16.09816760 I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE2
    16.19303863 CL47_collegno_italy_longobard
    16.68914617 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
    16.89786969 IA_Civitavecchia_R475

    K15 ancient. The same samples are usually about a point or so different.
    6.59585476 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    9.97415661 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    10.52466151 EMBA_Croatia_I4331
    10.83707525 ScythianMoldova_SCY197
    11.64466831 BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332
    11.90834581 BronzAgeBalkan
    13.03677107 Vucedol_I3499
    13.34351903 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    14.91996984 Bavaria_STR310
    14.99525258 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    14.99546598 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    15.06043824 IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    15.46276819 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    15.83683996 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    16.19309729 IA_Ardea_R851
    16.26327458 IronAgeBalkan
    17.46251414 IA_Civitavecchia_R475
    18.36019063 MedievalHungarian_DA199
    18.44684797 Scythian_SCY311
    18.71971421 IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    19.49851789 Mycenaean_I9041
    21.14828835 BR2_Hungary
    21.92221248 NorthItalian_HGDP01171
    23.55316115 IA_Ardea_R850
    24.14315845 Crimean_Goth_KER1


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    The dodecad K12b in its present state puts me MUCH closer to the ancient samples, and it's a very different order as well.

    3.80336693 TSI30
    5.63808478 Tuscan
    5.91498943 North_Italian
    6.22841874 N_Italian
    8.70606685 O_Italian
    8.92554760 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    9.07843048 C_Italian
    9.47641282 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    9.81848257 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    10.57665354 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    10.77751827 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    10.82190833 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    12.90000388 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    14.21805894 Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
    14.37636254 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_437
    14.41470083 Albanian_Kosovo
    14.72641504 Albanian_North
    15.65395797 Baleares
    15.77446988 Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
    15.95765020 IA_Civitavecchia_R475
    17.55905464 Greek
    17.56309198 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_435
    17.79110733 Sicilian
    18.03087352 S_Italian_Sicilian
    18.06927779 Galicia
    Last edited by Angela; 02-01-20 at 19:36.


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    so Salento is more exacting as it is a certain area of puglia?
    I’m exacting LOL

    my results pinpointed to Salento.

    I noticed that the Grugni “Region” Data is different than the one in the Calculator.
    ... now it all gets complicated.

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    Averaging the Regions, maybe?



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    K13 ancient

    looks good

    except , I thought someone said col001_col001 = sample CL23 ............which is also present





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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    I will add them but for Dodecad K12b Ancient, first I need more samples from other areas for it to create.
    @mlukas

    More some samples to help to create Dodecad K12b Ancient:

    Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R61,1.37,0.04,3.55 ,0.00,35.80,32.50,1.16,0.00,4.96,0.89,19.29,0.44
    Imperial_Rome_Mausoleo_Augusto_R33,3.61,0.00,0.70, 0.17,37.01,26.51,0.61,0.35,7.08,0.00,23.68,0.28
    Latin_Roman_Isola_Sacra_R37,2.14,1.00,2.70,0.00,50 .70,31.46,0.00,0.00,4.24,0.00,7.65,0.12
    Late_Medieval_Villa _Magna_Italy_R55,6.32,0.00,1.47,0.24,36.06,27.04,0 .10,0.00,7.59,0.00,21.04,0.14
    Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105,6.44,0.32,4.78,0. 53,36.54,27.56,0.00,0.00,5.54,0.00,17.97,0.32
    Lombard_Buried_Rome_R106,9.84,0.00,0.93,0.00,33.19 ,39.41,0.75,0.00,4.06,0.00,11.00,0.81
    Gallo_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R108,5.73,0.00,1.77,0 .97,35.80,35.18,0.00,0.00,4.99,0.00,15.30,0.26
    Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110,4.57,1.19,2.3 8,0.76,41.91,24.74,0.07,0.00,5.24,0.00,18.96,0.17
    Carthago_Outlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R111,6.68,0.00,0. 53,0.35,37.36,17.99,0.00,0.00,9.60,0.00,26.98,0.51
    Celtoiberian_Outlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R116,5.47,0.4 2,1.19,0.19,43.87,34.16,0.00,0.00,3.74,0.00,10.63, 0.33
    Late_Medieval_Cancelleria_Basilica_R1219,5.17,1.04 ,0.65,0.00,33.82,41.08,0.60,1.05,1.48,0.00,14.71,0 .39
    Medieval_Cancelleria_Basilica_R1285,3.81,0.00,0.85 ,0.00,37.37,17.26,1.47,0.56,9.42,0.11,28.92,0.22

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    K13 ancient

    looks good

    except , I thought someone said col001_col001 = sample CL23 ............which is also present




    Ok I deleted those col00... samples.

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    My results "Vahaduo Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet" with following sources: Vahaduo default + post #185(Jovialis) + post # 205(Duarte):



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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    Added Collegno, Szolad and Crusader samples to K13 ancient:) http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13_ancient-vahaduo.htm
    My new results:



    **I12649_low_quality = Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) - I12649
    ***CrusaderSI40KingdomofJerusalem = Crusader Knight French/Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-40

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    My results "Vahaduo Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet" with following sources: Vahaduo default + post #185(Jovialis) + post # 205(Duarte):


    We're like two halves of a coin, Duarte. :) You don't get the Proto-Villanovan, but we get the same IA Antonio et al samples; it's just we alternate as to whom is closer. You even get North Italians in your first 25, while I have to wait for number 38 to get my first Iberian sample.

    There's something about the Portuguese/Galicians and the Italians, or you have an unknown Italian ancestor. :)

    5.77578566 TSI30
    7.01325174 Tuscan
    7.63776145 Medieval_Cancelleria_Basilica_R1285
    7.91022756 N_Italian
    8.19289936 North_Italian
    8.54513312 Carthago_Outlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R111
    8.92685275 O_Italian
    9.18970076 C_Italian
    9.30455265 Imperial_Rome_Mausoleo_Augusto_R33
    9.53899890 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    10.03918323 LA_Celio_R36
    10.59019358 Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110
    10.59060433 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    10.59347441 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    11.24687068 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    11.65493029 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    11.69325019 Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55
    11.96830815 LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
    12.28989015 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    12.95066408 MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
    13.11054156 Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105
    13.55524253 MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
    13.74531193 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    13.78103407 Albanian_Kosovo
    13.81326174 Albanian_North
    14.21060168 LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
    14.78568565 Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
    14.83840625 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    14.92438943 MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
    14.93139980 IA_Civitavecchia_R475
    15.07093560 MA_Villa_Magna_R60
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    15.74071790 Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
    15.83666632 MA_Villa_Magna_R57
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    16.22560939 MA_Villa_Magna_R59
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    18.41931323 MA_Villa_Magna_R65
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    20.21236008 Gallo_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    We're like two halves of a coin, Duarte. :) You don't get the Proto-Villanovan, but we get the same IA Antonio et al samples; it's just we alternate as to whom is closer. You even get North Italians in your first 25, while I have to wait for number 38 to get my first Iberian sample.

    There's something about the Portuguese/Galicians and the Italians, or you have an unknown Italian ancestor. :)

    5.77578566 TSI30
    7.01325174 Tuscan
    7.63776145 Medieval_Cancelleria_Basilica_R1285
    7.91022756 N_Italian
    8.19289936 North_Italian
    8.54513312 Carthago_Outlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R111
    8.92685275 O_Italian
    9.18970076 C_Italian
    9.30455265 Imperial_Rome_Mausoleo_Augusto_R33
    9.53899890 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    10.03918323 LA_Celio_R36
    10.59019358 Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110
    10.59060433 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    10.59347441 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    11.24687068 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    11.65493029 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    11.69325019 Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55
    11.96830815 LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
    12.28989015 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    12.95066408 MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
    13.11054156 Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105
    13.55524253 MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
    13.74531193 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    13.78103407 Albanian_Kosovo
    13.81326174 Albanian_North
    14.21060168 LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
    14.78568565 Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
    14.83840625 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    14.92438943 MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
    14.93139980 IA_Civitavecchia_R475
    15.07093560 MA_Villa_Magna_R60
    15.44809697 Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R61
    15.74071790 Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
    15.83666632 MA_Villa_Magna_R57
    15.85858758 MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973
    16.22560939 MA_Villa_Magna_R59
    16.87495481 Greek
    16.98617379 Baleares
    17.48096679 Sicilian
    18.06676783 S_Italian_Sicilian
    18.41931323 MA_Villa_Magna_R65
    18.65583823 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    19.05637689 Galicia
    19.54686931 Extremadura
    19.73342596 Canarias
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    20.15096027 Portuguese
    20.21236008 Gallo_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R108
    20.22217842 Andalucia
    21.22178362 Ashkenazi
    ˆˆHi Angela. Happy NY.
    I think there must be an ancestral connection of Italians and Galicians. My maternal great-grandfather was a Portuguese immigrant from the historical region of Portugal called "Trás-os-Montes and Alto Douro", northern border of Portugal and bordering southern Galicia.
    Cheers :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    We're like two halves of a coin, Duarte. :) You don't get the Proto-Villanovan, but we get the same IA Antonio et al samples; it's just we alternate as to whom is closer. You even get North Italians in your first 25, while I have to wait for number 38 to get my first Iberian sample.

    There's something about the Portuguese/Galicians and the Italians, or you have an unknown Italian ancestor. :)
    Of my 10 closest samples at least 6 are IA, and my nearest non-Iberian place in G25 is North Italia (Lombardia). It doesn't seem to be something weird in Spain.
    Edit: I've noticed that it's from another calculator, well it's the same.

    Distance to: Juan
    6.48487471 CrusaderSI40KingdomofJerusalem
    8.69102986 IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    8.73305788 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    9.53303205 I12516_iberia
    10.04796994 IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    10.22150185 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary_CT_M5751_H2a1
    10.40747808 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    10.51795608 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    10.56828747 IA_Ardea_R851
    10.77071957 CL94_collegno_italy_longobard
    10.79063019 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    10.94150355 I3759_Celtiberian_I3759_Celtiberian_m
    11.27374383 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1
    11.30341984 I6581_Silesia_Bell_Beaker_R1b_R1b
    11.77082835 I12649_low_quality
    11.90969773 I3757_Celtiberian_I3757_Celtiberian_U
    12.27101870 I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE2
    12.34169761 I8203_iberia
    12.41680313 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 _2
    12.57931636 ILK001_Neolithic_Podolia_GAC_I2a_I2a
    12.66531879 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
    12.94695331 I3758_Celtiberian_U
    13.43898062 I8474_iberia
    13.55980826 N38_Neolithic_Kujawy_GAC_culture
    13.66013543 RISE564_Osterhofen_Altenmark_Germany_M_R_L51_HV

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    K12b Duarte + Jovialis, All spanish regions first lol.
    Distance to: Juan
    2.98337058 Galicia
    3.26111944 Extremadura
    3.51485419 Portuguese
    3.63123946 Castilla_Y_Leon
    4.74488145 Murcia
    5.01586483 Spanish
    5.37716468 Baleares
    6.07864294 Spaniards
    6.66932530 Cataluna
    7.03263109 Castilla_La_Mancha
    7.29433342 Andalucia
    7.31586632 Cantabria
    8.15364336 Valencia
    8.47230193 Aragon
    8.79476549 Canarias
    9.16251603 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    10.92343353 Latin_Roman_Isola_Sacra_R37
    12.13097276 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    12.25666757 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    12.30338165 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    12.35709513 Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110
    12.63451622 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    13.79595955 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    13.91769737 Celtoiberian_Outlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R116
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    My Dodecad k12 + Jovialis & Duarte Updates :)







    I should then understand what that O_Italian really is (for now it only seems to me that he is located east of Tuscany...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    My Dodecad k12 + Jovialis & Duarte Updates :)







    I should then understand what that O_Italian really is (for now it only seems to me that he is located east of Tuscany...)
    IIRC, o_italians means other italians, that is italians who lived in ciuntries which had italians for centuries, like bordering italy with france, swiss, austria, slovenia croatia

    So you could be swiss-italian as an exampl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dou View Post
    Of my 10 closest samples at least 6 are IA, and my nearest non-Iberian place in G25 is North Italia (Lombardia). It doesn't seem to be something weird in Spain.
    Edit: I've noticed that it's from another calculator, well it's the same.

    Distance to: Juan
    6.48487471 CrusaderSI40KingdomofJerusalem
    8.69102986 IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    8.73305788 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    9.53303205 I12516_iberia
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    10.56828747 IA_Ardea_R851
    10.77071957 CL94_collegno_italy_longobard
    10.79063019 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    10.94150355 I3759_Celtiberian_I3759_Celtiberian_m
    11.27374383 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1
    11.30341984 I6581_Silesia_Bell_Beaker_R1b_R1b
    11.77082835 I12649_low_quality
    11.90969773 I3757_Celtiberian_I3757_Celtiberian_U
    12.27101870 I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE2
    12.34169761 I8203_iberia
    12.41680313 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 _2
    12.57931636 ILK001_Neolithic_Podolia_GAC_I2a_I2a
    12.66531879 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
    12.94695331 I3758_Celtiberian_U
    13.43898062 I8474_iberia
    13.55980826 N38_Neolithic_Kujawy_GAC_culture
    13.66013543 RISE564_Osterhofen_Altenmark_Germany_M_R_L51_HV

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    K12b Duarte + Jovialis, All spanish regions first lol.
    Distance to: Juan
    2.98337058 Galicia
    3.26111944 Extremadura
    3.51485419 Portuguese
    3.63123946 Castilla_Y_Leon
    4.74488145 Murcia
    5.01586483 Spanish
    5.37716468 Baleares
    6.07864294 Spaniards
    6.66932530 Cataluna
    7.03263109 Castilla_La_Mancha
    7.29433342 Andalucia
    7.31586632 Cantabria
    8.15364336 Valencia
    8.47230193 Aragon
    8.79476549 Canarias
    9.16251603 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    10.92343353 Latin_Roman_Isola_Sacra_R37
    12.13097276 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    12.25666757 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    12.30338165 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    12.35709513 Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110
    12.63451622 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    13.79595955 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    13.91769737 Celtoiberian_Outlier_Roman_Empire_VP_R116
    14.42872136 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    G25 map of what, Juan? The dark red hot spot is indeed right over Emilia and perhaps bleeding into the Lunigiana.

    I was talking about the K12b. In that one Duarte gets Italians in his first 25. I usually get Spaniards all the time in the oracles, although I get Northern Italians and Tuscans first, and Balkan peoples are sprinkled throughout as well. They're here too, but not in the first 25.

    Perhaps it does have something to do with Galicia. Or perhaps it's what this map calls "Old Castille", and perhaps a bit of Aragon.



    I've said before how much I liked Catalonia, but in Spain proper, these were my favorite cities: Burgos, Segovia, Avila, Toledo, Zaragoza. I liked Pamplona too, although it's not the same province; went twice for the bullfights. Blame it on Hemingway.:) They were also the areas where I thought the people looked most "Italian".


    @stuvane,
    I've noticed before you don't get 1015 and 1016. Maybe too "western"???

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    so Salento is more exacting as it is a certain area of puglia?
    I’m changing my answer: maybe not!

    Ancestry and 23 raw-data give different results for Salento e Puglia.

    ... Puglia went up and Salento went down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    G25 map of what, Juan? The dark red hot spot is indeed right over Emilia and perhaps bleeding into the Lunigiana.

    I was talking about the K12b. In that one Duarte gets Italians in his first 25. I usually get Spaniards all the time in the oracles, although I get Northern Italians and Tuscans first, and Balkan peoples are sprinkled throughout as well. They're here too, but not in the first 25.

    Perhaps it does have something to do with Galicia. Or perhaps it's what this map calls "Old Castille", and perhaps a bit of Aragon.



    I've said before how much I liked Catalonia, but in Spain proper, these were my favorite cities: Burgos, Segovia, Avila, Toledo, Zaragoza. I liked Pamplona too, although it's not the same province; went twice for the bullfights. Blame it on Hemingway.:) They were also the areas where I thought the people looked most "Italian".


    @Stuvane,
    I've noticed before you don't get 1015 and 1016. Maybe too "western"???
    Zaragoza of course used to be the Roman city of Caesaraugusta. :)

    Interesting maps:


    Note where the Roman villas were located. So, not just Baetica by any means, although that's where we have a lot of remains from that time period.



    The first legions were full of men from that area, so maybe that explains it? Maybe they settled? Just speculating, of course.

    For the hot spot area, first were the Neolithic people, then the Liguri and Etruschi (Golasecca somewhere in there as well, perhaps before the "Liguri" and "Etruschi"?), then the Galli, and then the "Latini". Parma was founded by Romans in 183 BCE.






    I really want to know what the Golasecca people were like...

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    Added Collegno, Szolad and Crusader samples to K13 ancient:) http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13_ancient-vahaduo.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Zaragoza of course used to be the Roman city of Caesaraugusta. :)

    Interesting maps:


    Note where the Roman villas were located. So, not just Baetica by any means, although that's where we have a lot of remains from that time period.



    The first legions were full of men from that area, so maybe that explains it? Maybe they settled? Just speculating, of course.

    For the hot spot area, first were the Neolithic people, then the Liguri and Etruschi (Golasecca somewhere in there as well, perhaps before the "Liguri" and "Etruschi"?), then the Galli, and then the "Latini". Parma was founded by Romans in 183 BCE.






    I really want to know what the Golasecca people were like...
    Given the history of Illyrians in Puglia, I was a bit surprised to see that Apulians didn't get closer fits, at least according to MTA. Though I believe culturally (and genetically), the people there were very Greek influenced. I recall reading that the Messapi had projected their power onto the other Iapygian Tribes, so perhaps they were the real Illyrian-derived people? It is very murky to me. Nevertheless, me and Salento, are almost genetic twins, so perhaps the impact did not last to be so significant? idk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Given the history of Illyrians in Puglia, I was a bit surprised to see that Apulians didn't get closer fits, at least according to MTA. Though I believe culturally (and genetically), the people there were very Greek influenced. I recall reading that the Messapi had projected their power onto the other Iapygian Tribes, so perhaps they were the real Illyrian-derived people? It is very murky to me. Nevertheless, me and Salento, are almost genetic twins, so perhaps the impact did not last to be so significant? idk.
    Which are the puglia samples ID's that you guys match in ?

    R1 protovillanovan as per data was born in Nis, Liburian lands and died in North-picene ( marche region ) ....no where near Puglia

    BTW.....where do you guys place your updates ...post #1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    IIRC, o_italians means other italians, that is italians who lived in ciuntries which had italians for centuries, like bordering italy with france, swiss, austria, slovenia croatia

    So you could be swiss-italian as an exampl
    Thanks @Torzio.

    Eventually a not-core/not proper italian sample, but an outlier (with possible and partial foreign ancestry)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    @stuvane,
    I've noticed before you don't get 1015 and 1016. Maybe too "western"???
    That’s right, @Angela.

    They’re almost certainly more Western than I am.
    As for my "neighbors" Imperial_Rome_Mausoleo_Augusto_R33 and LA_Celio_R36 I seem to guess that the first results something like a Venetic, while the second a Centre-italic

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    Some good guy send me K13 Italian regional breakdown (for modern of course). Check it out.
    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post


    Just to have some fun: Vahaduo k13 Ancient + Vahaduo K13 updated. All source data mixed.


    **I12649_low_quality = Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) - I12649

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    G25 map of what, Juan? The dark red hot spot is indeed right over Emilia and perhaps bleeding into the Lunigiana.
    I swore it was the Lombard sample and that's how it is. It is a map of relative distances and that measures them with respect to your nearest region, as you see the north of Italy very close to me. My only point is that it is not uncommon to draw italian regions from Iberians.

    Regions using Global25 modern populations.

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    0.01793061 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    0.01908429 Italian_Lombardy
    0.01934901 Spanish_Aragon
    0.01951743 Spanish_Asturias
    0.01971237 Spanish_Andalucia
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    0.02032187 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
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    0.02064578 Spanish_Menorca
    0.02100471 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.02102207 Spanish_Murcia
    0.02103038 Spanish_Barcelones
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    I have the results from some calculators but in order of percentages, without populations with 0 percent. How can I enter its in "Targhet"?

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