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Salento said:
thanks, I thought so too at first, but after dividing, it seemed too close so I subtracted.

thanks again for letting me know! :)
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Certainly it must multpiling results which is a glitch in calculation. If it would add 10 it would be on purpose which would be crazy.
In my opinion at least.

In G25 everyone has distances like 0.01 or 0.02 so it i is too close...
 
The K36 results in Vahaduo are closer to the Conservative Mode results of another k36 calculator with the same modern data samples ...

a small example: R1 - K36

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Ancient:
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Does anyone know what the numbers actually mean? Like I saw in some calculators they are labeled as percentages (%)... but percentages relative to what? I have a hard time figuring out what the numbers mean, lets say they are indeed percentages, how do "percentages" get applied to/as "distance".

mlukas said:
Certainly it must multpiling results which is a glitch in calculation. If it would add 10 it would be on purpose which would be crazy.
In my opinion at least.

In G25 everyone has distances like 0.01 or 0.02 so it i is too close...
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Regarding this... maybe here (G25), when we have 0.0x results we are talking about a percentage where we mean x%.
While on the other calculators, results x.yz are percentages where we straightforwardly mean x.yz%. Do not know... that is just my guess... otherwise what could explain this huge differences in distances between G25 based calculators compared to the other *edit: Gedmatch calculators?

Edit: At least that is what I think is going on:

G25:

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K36:

Archetype0ne said:
Likewise "My results with k36 coordinates by Salento #902". Thank you Salento.



Distance to:Archetype0ne
15.02325531SZ32_northItalian
15.60877958EMA_Alpine_STR_310
17.20377284EMA_northItalian_NW_54
17.23085895SZ1_GreekBalkan
17.28210635R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
17.91060021EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1
17.93035136SZ36_northItalian
18.80814185SZ28_northItalian
18.83637704CL36_northItalian
19.07851671SZ45_Pannonian
19.08825031Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031
19.33016037SZ18_Pannonian
19.67420901CL23_northItalian
20.34097343SZ5_Pannonian
20.69674129CL121__northItalian
20.91450932BA_Hungary_BR2
21.28352180DA199HungaryMedieval
21.57918210I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
21.62697390R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste
22.00965243SZ43_northItalian
22.96952546Gepid_Vim2
23.09229309Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
23.16553906I10892_Catalonia_medieval
23.36344153SZ37_Greek_Italian
23.40365570LBA_Armenia_RISE397



Target: Archetype0ne
Distance: 6.9845% / 6.98452301
14.8EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1
13.4N_Germany_I0797
12.8N_Levant_AinGhazal4
10.6DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC
9.8CHL_Yamnaya_Kalmykia_RISE546
8.8MA2198_Anatolia_IA
8.0Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92
5.2EMA_Greek_STR_300
4.6EN_Iberia_I0411_I041
4.4I1979_Beaker_North_Italy
3.0I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE
2.6N_Germany_I0795
1.8AV2_Hungary_Szolad
0.2MBA_Armenia_RISE416



Think this calculator is not a good match for me, the distances are quite far.
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I mean the difference between "0.042 to 15.02"; and "4% to 15%", is in orders of magnitude.
 
@Archetype0ne

Your K36 SZ32 is 1.502325531 (divide by 10) as per @mlukas suggestion,

... because K36 gives high distances by default :)
 
Salento said:
@Archetype0ne


Your K36 SZ32 is 1.502325531 (divide by 10) as per @mlukas suggestion,

... because K36 gives high distances by default :)
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I highly doubt it...
Because when you go to "Single" tab of the calculator you get a "composite" of different components. It would make no sense, just by logic, for the distance of my composite to be 6.98%
while my distance to a homogeneous sample is 1.50 %.​
By definition the composite is made out of more components to more "closely" estimate your background... that is to say to decrease the distance... If that makes sense.

I think my explanation in the previous comment is backed by evidence here:

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As you can see in the "Single" tab of Vahaduo, K36 yields 6.98% from the input 6.98.
While the "Single" tab of Vahaduo for G25 yields 2.59% from the input 0.0258.
I think that is solid proof that on both calculators the distances are % expressed differently, in one case as 00.x in the other case as x%.

What I fail to understand is what these % means in relation to "Distance" in both calculators.
 
by looking, I Think :

we say that the distance is how close we are to a sample, but it’s also the % of how different we are from it.

I’m close enough to make a one to one comparison to a Dod K12 sample.

The Apulian sample below is 3.13% different than me

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and in the Single below it matches my distance

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and:
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... all together, I’m about 2.07 % different than the samples below:

EPUS8AP.jpg
 
Salento said:
The K36 results in Vahaduo are closer to the Conservative Mode results of another k36 calculator with the same modern data samples ...

a small example: R1 - K36

CCc71Gg.jpg


djdalSH.jpg


GXO8VtX.jpg



Ancient:
EHLg8cf.jpg
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so should the first number read .............0.728 ?
 
torzio said:
so should the first number read .............0.728 ?
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Yes, or 0.739 from another file at yourDNAportal.

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also smile and be Happy,

Miss R1 didn’t have any hair on her back, lol
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I have the same back hair results as she does :)
 
Salento said:
Yes, or 0.739 from another file at yourDNAportal.

LlzUtyL.jpg

also smile and be Happy,

Miss R1 didn’t have any hair on her back, lol
riL6FBL.jpg


I have the same back hair results as she does :)
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great......i dont like hairy women.............is she blonde or dark hair or is this still in debate ...........IIRC eyes are blue

for me R1 is aligned closely with SZ1 in regards to similarities
 
Salento said:
by looking, I Think :

we say that the distance is how close we are to a sample, but it’s also the % of how different we are from it.

I’m close enough to make a one to one comparison to a Dod K12 sample.

The Apulian sample below is 3.13% different than me

2KmZ9DP.jpg


and in the Single below it matches my distance

sjB997U.jpg


and:
cYB0Ohf.jpg


... all together, I’m about 2.07 % different than the samples below:

EPUS8AP.jpg
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I think your explanation makes a lot of sense, on how these % mean distances.

However, as for the division by a factor of 10 for K calculators... I still doubt it. Say 0.7% is way too close in the example from your last post... and 0.2% to a Villa Magna sample makes even less sense from the example I'm quoting in this reply.. that's even closer than G25's 2%...
Would be interesting if mlucas would give his two cents to my posts 926, 928.
 
Archetype0ne said:
I think your explanation makes a lot of sense, on how these % mean distances.

However, as for the division by a factor of 10 for K calculators... I still doubt it. Say 0.7% is way too close in the example from your last post... and 0.2% to a Villa Magna sample makes even less sense from the example I'm quoting in this reply.. that's even closer than G25's 2%...
Would be interesting if mlucas would give his two cents to my posts 926, 928.
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Thanks, ... but to Clarify:

The division by 10 was about the K36 Vahaduo results only,

and it doesn’t apply to the Apulian + Villa Magna example because are Dodecad K12 results, as I stated in the post #929 :)
 
Unfortunately, the Punt calculator would need as many ancient samples as the K12b to be any good.
 
Thanks @mlukas.

Puntndnal K12 Ancient is quite interesting to do the analysis of very ancient ancestry components, specially in the single mode (admixture).

This is the analysis that I made of my very anciente admixture (single mode) displayed by this calculator.

Bichon's man is a WHG discovered at the "Grotte du Bichon" located north of the Western Alps.

The Iceman is the famous Otzi, a male from chalcolitic age that lived in the Alps.

Ust'-Ishim is a very ancient specimen from North Eurasian Upper Paleolithic. Ust'-Ishim belongs to pan-Eurasian mitochondrial (mtDNA) haplogroup R* and it's genome is slightly close to Mesolithic Iberian La Brana-1 and Upper Paleolithic Siberian MA-1 (or Mal'ta boy).

Kotias Klde, discovered in Georgia, is Caucasian Hunter-Gatherer (CHG). The Caucasus hunter-gatherers contributed significantly to modern European populations by way of the Yamna people. Around half of the Yamna people's DNA come from the Caucasus hunter-gatherers. The Caucasus hunter-gatherers also contributed genetically to modern Central Asians and South Asians.

Hungary_CA is a specimen from the chalcolitic in Central Europe, and maybe belongs to the CW culture.\

AnatolianNeolithic is an Anatolian Neolitic Farmer - ANF.

Distance to:Duarte
15.78606981Alberstedt_LN_I0118
17.27425831Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
17.66748426Vatya_SG_RISE479
18.12622410Hungary_BA_I1502
18.29672102Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
18.61209284Unetice_EBA_I0117
20.58786050Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
21.22804748Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
21.32393022BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
22.28295313Hungary_CA_I1497
23.59555043Iceman_MN_SG
24.03497452BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
24.22395509Baalberge_MN_I0560
24.76368309Iberia_M_I0406
24.82599444Epserstedt_MN_I0172
24.97779013Potapovka_I0419
25.05434094Hungary_EN_I0495
26.19236530Srubnaya_I0430
26.63343763Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
27.47762726Iberia_EN_I0412
27.75103602Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
28.88390555LBK_EN_I0054
28.99499957Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
29.56010825Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
29.69898988Srubnaya_I0232

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Duarte said:
Thanks @mlukas.

Puntndnal K12 Ancient is quite interesting to do the analysis of very ancient ancestry components, specially in the single mode (admixture).

This is the analysis that I made of my very anciente admixture (single mode) displayed by this calculator.

Bichon's man is a WHG discovered at the "Grotte du Bichon" located north of the Western Alps.

The Iceman is the famous Otzi, a male from chalcolitic age that lived in the Alps.

Ust'-Ishim is a very ancient specimen from North Eurasian Upper Paleolithic. Ust'-Ishim belongs to pan-Eurasian mitochondrial (mtDNA) haplogroup R* and it's genome is slightly close to Mesolithic Iberian La Brana-1 and Upper Paleolithic Siberian MA-1 (or Mal'ta boy).

Kotias Klde, discovered in Georgia, is Caucasian Hunter-Gatherer (CHG). The Caucasus hunter-gatherers contributed significantly to modern European populations by way of the Yamna people. Around half of the Yamna people's DNA come from the Caucasus hunter-gatherers. The Caucasus hunter-gatherers also contributed genetically to modern Central Asians and South Asians.

Hungary_CA is a specimen from the chalcolitic in Central Europe, and maybe belongs to the CW culture.\

AnatolianNeolithic is an Anatolian Neolitic Farmer - ANF.

Distance to:Duarte
15.78606981Alberstedt_LN_I0118
17.27425831Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
17.66748426Vatya_SG_RISE479
18.12622410Hungary_BA_I1502
18.29672102Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
18.61209284Unetice_EBA_I0117
20.58786050Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
21.22804748Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
21.32393022BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
22.28295313Hungary_CA_I1497
23.59555043Iceman_MN_SG
24.03497452BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
24.22395509Baalberge_MN_I0560
24.76368309Iberia_M_I0406
24.82599444Epserstedt_MN_I0172
24.97779013Potapovka_I0419
25.05434094Hungary_EN_I0495
26.19236530Srubnaya_I0430
26.63343763Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
27.47762726Iberia_EN_I0412
27.75103602Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
28.88390555LBK_EN_I0054
28.99499957Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
29.56010825Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
29.69898988Srubnaya_I0232

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Just for you, Duarte. :)

Distance to:Angela
19.92385254Alberstedt_LN_I0118
21.38129790Iceman_MN_SG
21.59397833Hungary_CA_I1497
21.60184946Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
22.73213364Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
23.09112167Hungary_EN_I0495
23.12011894Unetice_EBA_I0117
23.89183752Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
24.97878900Iberia_EN_I0412
25.11234557LBK_EN_I0054
25.14696602BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
25.28378730Vatya_SG_RISE479
25.75441516Epserstedt_MN_I0172
25.88725362Hungary_BA_I1502
26.47262548BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
26.54580758Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
26.63963025Baalberge_MN_I0560
26.91170563Stuttgart_SG
27.51072336Starcevo_MN_I0174
27.61557350Iberia_M_I0406
28.21967222Srubnaya_I0430
28.60314493Potapovka_I0419
29.32967610Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
29.83420688Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
31.07056324Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
32.68393948Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
32.77651446Srubnaya_I0232
33.49940149Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
34.01499522Andronovo_SG_RISE505
34.07124741Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
34.45837924Armenian_MBA
34.66525494Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
37.27197204Kostenki14_UP_SG
38.59520566Scythian_IA_I0247
45.45690157Yamnaya_Samara_I0443
48.59794131Poltavka_I0440
49.21503734Yamnaya_Samara_I0231
49.79407495Afanasievo_SG_RISE511
50.45859590Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552
51.90260013MA1_SG
57.03007891Ust_Ishim_DG
58.49760593Samara_Eneolithic_I0433
63.49984173Samara_HG_I0124
64.67750691AnatolianNeolithic_I0746
65.12196173Hungary_HG_I1507
65.31844992Bichon
65.52983977AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
74.57955417Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585
79.74628455Karelia_HG_I0061
80.86587599Kotias_Kide_KK

I am definitely a lot Early Neolithic, even Iberia EN, which duplicates what I've seen on other calculators. Then there's the Central Europe pull, and the Iran Neo Pull, and about 25% steppe. (Of course, Sintashta has some European farmer. Still, 25-30% steppe is what I usually get on other calculators.) These samples in combination get me pretty darn close as far as distance goes.

Target: Angela
Distance: 0.4917% / 0.49170926
22.2LBK_EN_I0054
19.0Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
14.2Stuttgart_SG
10.2Armenian_MBA
6.4Starcevo_MN_I0174
5.8Kotias_Kide_KK
5.6Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
4.2Iberia_M_I0406
3.0Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552
2.8Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
2.4Potapovka_I0419
1.4Baalberge_MN_I0560
1.2LaBrana
0.6AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
0.4Andronovo_SG_RISE505
0.4Kostenki14_UP_SG
0.2Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585


I'm surprised you get no steppe at all, Duarte. I know some analyses show Iberians don't get much, despite the Bell Beaker ancestry, but none? Are the Portuguese different from Spaniards in that regard, because probably most analyses like that are done with Spaniards?
 
Salento said:
these are the K36-Ancient coordinates I used ...
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Salento: Nice work, finally getting around to running K36-ancient coordinates using the data you povided in post 902. Since there is no K36 sheet, I just used the Eurogenes K13 and posted your coordinates in the Source tab my own in the Target and ran them. It estimated them and seems to have worked. I cut it off at 30, the last one in my list is a distance of 29.96 (BA_I0070_Minoan). I left that Minoan for comparison purposes relative to the Myceneans that show up K36. R437 has always shown up in the Dodecad K7, K12 estimates as <5 and my closest Iron Age Roman distance, Not as close here in K36 but still first. Thanks again!

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
9.38742244R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste
13.85944804CL30_GreeksouthItalian
13.91804584SZ36_northItalian
14.80324627SZ19_Italian_Balkan
14.83656631CL38_GreeksouthItalian
15.58050384Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
15.80700794R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
15.91645375SZ32_northItalian
17.21268137N_Bar8_Anatolia
17.87645938CL36_northItalian
17.89344293CL25_south_Italian
18.04412370N_Bar31_Anatolia
18.46390262EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1
18.50104051SZ40_Italian
18.67760691CL121__northItalian
18.94370872R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
19.09797110BA_I9006_Mycenean
19.19162317BA_I9033_Mycenaean
19.24412897EN_Anatolia_Tepe002
19.43110393CL31_Greek_Balkan
19.44597131SZ1_GreekBalkan
20.09655692CHL_Anatolian_I1584
20.27764533SZ37_Greek_Italian
20.43723073EMA_Greek_STR_300
21.09759465SZ43_northItalian
21.46843730N_Greece_Revenia5
21.50496222Crimean_Goth_Ker_1
21.52275772EN_Anatolia_Tep003
21.65731516EMA_Italian_STR_502
21.95546629N_Hungary_NE1_
22.00090907CL23_northItalian
22.13096473BA_I9041_Mycenaean
22.67735875I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
22.71274752SZ28_northItalian
22.90390141I10892_Catalonia_medieval
23.20863848N_Greece_Kleitos10
23.76315846BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi
23.94855319CL57_northItalian
24.37730502CHL_Armenia_I1632
24.71491048Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031
24.91072661SZ45_Pannonian
24.93148612BA_I9010_Mycenaean
24.93221009EMA_northItalian_NW_54
25.07332248CHL_Armenia_I1407
25.13115596i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
25.34151535LBA_Armenia_RISE397
25.54769853EMA_Alpine_STR_310
25.69031530LBK_Germany_Stuttgart
25.97307067SZ18_Pannonian
26.32985188N_Levant_AinGhazal2
26.42564663N_Anatolia_I0707
26.42564663N_Anatolia_I0707_BAR2
26.59022189I3578_EMA_Andalusia
26.75112521N_Levant__AinGhazal3
27.15734707N_Anatolia_I0709
27.15734707N_Anatolia_I0709_BAR20
27.38053506LBK_I0022_Germany
27.38053506LBK_I0025_Germany
27.39369818CL47_Alpine
27.43572853CL94_Iberian
27.63411298N_Levant_AinGhazal4
27.81500674BA_Hungary_BR2
27.90955392Gepid_Vim2
28.03148765LBK_Germany_I0100
28.34916048CL63_Alpine
28.44541791EMA_GreekBalkan_aed_1108
28.47419885I1979_Beaker_North_Italy
28.66457395MA2198_Anatolia_IA
29.08394059DA199HungaryMedieval
29.09438949N_Levant_AinGhazal1
29.15924553i3757_Celtiberian_IA
29.16937606N_Anatolia_I0708
29.16937606N_Anatolia_I0708_BAR6
29.37205645i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
29.41679282EMA_northItalian_FN_2
29.45007810EMA_Alpine_STR_535
29.49586920BA_Hungary_RISE483
29.96892057BA_I0070_Minoan

Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 9.3874% / 9.38742244 | ADC: 2x
100.0R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste

Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 7.7358% / 7.73581803 | ADC: 1x
84.8R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste
15.0Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
0.2CL30_GreeksouthItalian

Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 4.1692% / 4.16923406 | ADC: 0.5x
49.4R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste
21.8Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
7.6CL38_GreeksouthItalian
4.6N_Levant_AinGhazal4
4.2BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi
4.2SZ36_northItalian
3.8CL30_GreeksouthItalian
3.0N_Levant_AinGhazal2
1.4I1152_Israel_chalcolithic

Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 2.5922% / 2.59220221 | ADC: 0.25x
30.2Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
25.8R437_Iron_Age_Praeneste
19.8CL38_GreeksouthItalian
7.4N_Levant_AinGhazal2
4.6N_Levant_AinGhazal4
4.2BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi
3.6SZ36_northItalian
3.0EBA_Jordan__I1705
1.0SZ1_GreekBalkan
0.4N_Bar31_Anatolia
 
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ancient k12 for myself



Distance to:Torziok12b
45.07513283Kostenki14_UP_SG
49.77366372Ust_Ishim_DG
50.88425690Scythian_IA_I0247
51.73246176Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
53.30992028Andronovo_SG_RISE505
53.31779815BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
53.63168466MA1_SG
53.63168466Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
53.98460521Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
54.13841150Potapovka_I0419
54.14801566Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
54.27713699Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
54.52208360Alberstedt_LN_I0118
54.99906908Srubnaya_I0232
55.10887043Srubnaya_I0430
55.37470181Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
55.55553618Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
55.64106038Unetice_EBA_I0117
55.70401781Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
56.38570386Vatya_SG_RISE479
56.73577002BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
56.79584140Hungary_BA_I1502
57.03821175Afanasievo_SG_RISE511
57.35728027Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
58.31978738Yamnaya_Samara_I0443



and modern one below

Distance to:Torziok12b
33.71776386Selkup
37.69811136Chuvash
39.32502511Altaian
42.91756750Dolgan
44.60053363Tuvinian
45.78381373Turkmen
47.31868130Hazara
48.24476759Uzbek
48.78603899Mordovian
49.08561500Russian
50.76571284Finnish
51.51026694Yakut
53.77255434Nogai
55.27628425Czech
55.36413641Belarusian
55.56309567Hungarian
55.58468854Romanian
55.61948939Croatian
55.72950386Scottish_West
55.82031530Icelandic
55.90301960German_North
56.11548449Estonian
56.18841162Irish
56.26488781English_South
56.28736626Dutch_North
 
Angela said:
Just for you, Duarte. :)

Distance to:Angela
19.92385254Alberstedt_LN_I0118
21.38129790Iceman_MN_SG
21.59397833Hungary_CA_I1497
21.60184946Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
22.73213364Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
23.09112167Hungary_EN_I0495
23.12011894Unetice_EBA_I0117
23.89183752Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
24.97878900Iberia_EN_I0412
25.11234557LBK_EN_I0054
25.14696602BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
25.28378730Vatya_SG_RISE479
25.75441516Epserstedt_MN_I0172
25.88725362Hungary_BA_I1502
26.47262548BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
26.54580758Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
26.63963025Baalberge_MN_I0560
26.91170563Stuttgart_SG
27.51072336Starcevo_MN_I0174
27.61557350Iberia_M_I0406
28.21967222Srubnaya_I0430
28.60314493Potapovka_I0419
29.32967610Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
29.83420688Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
31.07056324Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
32.68393948Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
32.77651446Srubnaya_I0232
33.49940149Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
34.01499522Andronovo_SG_RISE505
34.07124741Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
34.45837924Armenian_MBA
34.66525494Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
37.27197204Kostenki14_UP_SG
38.59520566Scythian_IA_I0247
45.45690157Yamnaya_Samara_I0443
48.59794131Poltavka_I0440
49.21503734Yamnaya_Samara_I0231
49.79407495Afanasievo_SG_RISE511
50.45859590Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552
51.90260013MA1_SG
57.03007891Ust_Ishim_DG
58.49760593Samara_Eneolithic_I0433
63.49984173Samara_HG_I0124
64.67750691AnatolianNeolithic_I0746
65.12196173Hungary_HG_I1507
65.31844992Bichon
65.52983977AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
74.57955417Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585
79.74628455Karelia_HG_I0061
80.86587599Kotias_Kide_KK

I am definitely a lot Early Neolithic, even Iberia EN, which duplicates what I've seen on other calculators. Then there's the Central Europe pull, and the Iran Neo Pull, and about 25% steppe. (Of course, Sintashta has some European farmer. Still, 25-30% steppe is what I usually get on other calculators.) These samples in combination get me pretty darn close as far as distance goes.

Target: Angela
Distance: 0.4917% / 0.49170926
22.2LBK_EN_I0054
19.0Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
14.2Stuttgart_SG
10.2Armenian_MBA
6.4Starcevo_MN_I0174
5.8Kotias_Kide_KK
5.6Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
4.2Iberia_M_I0406
3.0Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552
2.8Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
2.4Potapovka_I0419
1.4Baalberge_MN_I0560
1.2LaBrana
0.6AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
0.4Andronovo_SG_RISE505
0.4Kostenki14_UP_SG
0.2Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585


I'm surprised you get no steppe at all, Duarte. I know some analyses show Iberians don't get much, despite the Bell Beaker ancestry, but none? Are the Portuguese different from Spaniards in that regard, because probably most analyses like that are done with Spaniards?
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Hi @Angela.

Angela. If you check my analysis in mixed mode, for a distance of 4.6 I have 11.8% Kitias Kide KK. This sample is very loaded in CHG ancestry. The Yamma are, on average, 50% CHG. See the graphic below, courtesy of @Demetrios in the thread https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34414-Genetic-Origins-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans/page84.

Cheers :)

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PS: On the other hand, the yammas of Ukraine,
Hungary, Kalmykia, Samara and Bulgaria have a lot of WHG and I am 24.6% Bichon, which sample is practically a pure WHG.

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Where can I get access to PuntDNAL K12 calculator? Admixture Studio only has the Near Eastern one.

If its only on Gedmacht I will pass on this one... deleted my account when they got acquired... can't remember why, but it had something to do with who might use my data.
 
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