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Stuvane K15 ancient:
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Me, K15 ancient, using 23andme v5
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Stuvane K13 Ancient
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My K13 ancient
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Are all the Antonio et al samples not included in the K13 ancient?
 
Angela said:
OK, 23andme v5. I'm a bit more "matchy" than you to Toscana and North Italian (Bergamo?), but I'm half East Liguria/Tuscan, after all, and maybe more western shifted? My results using the v3 are worse, with again the K15 being worse than the K13.

You have more ancestry from Romagna, though, right? Mine is half Emilian. That might explain why you have closer numbers to Balkan people and I have closer numbers to Spaniards and Portuguese. You're always my closest, though. Emilia-Romagna strong! :)

K13
#Population (source)Distance
1Tuscan3.31
2North_Italian4.87
3West_Sicilian9.85
4Italian_Abruzzo10.26
5Greek_Thessaly11.19
6Portuguese12.77
7Spanish_Extremadura12.9
8Spanish_Murcia13.58
9Spanish_Andalucia13.68
10Central_Greek13.95
11Spanish_Valencia13.97
12Spanish_Galicia14.34
13East_Sicilian14.35
14Spanish_Cataluna14.57
15Bulgarian14.77
16Romanian14.85
17Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon14.89
18South_Italian15.52
19Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha15.59
20Ashkenazi16.68

K15 v5
#Population (source)Distance
1Tuscan3.96
2North_Italian5.66
3Italian_Abruzzo9.67
4West_Sicilian9.69
5Greek_Thessaly10.67
6Greek11.03
7Spanish_Extremadura12.42
8Spanish_Murcia12.45
9Portuguese12.53
10Central_Greek12.72
11East_Sicilian12.73
12Bulgarian12.86
13Spanish_Andalucia12.98
14Spanish_Cataluna13.32
15Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon13.41
16Spanish_Galicia13.5
17Romanian13.59
18Spanish_Valencia13.85
19South_Italian14.22
20Ashkenazi14.61

K15
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Correct, @Angela: I'm your "eastern" neighbor :)
 
Just for the heck of it, this is the K15 ancient using ancestry

Distance to:Claire
6.23683413IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
10.08218230IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.37367341BronzAgeBalkan
10.70144850Vucedol_I3499
10.81427298EMBA_Croatia_I4331
11.41200245ScythianMoldova_SCY197
12.63404527BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332
13.02699121IA_Civitavecchia_R473
13.44933827ScythianMoldova_SCY300
14.74471431IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
15.66575884IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
15.74114672Bavaria_STR310
15.76888075IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
16.55643681IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
16.60224684IA_Ardea_R851
18.01145469IronAgeBalkan
18.58877080Scythian_SCY311
18.68457385IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
18.91148857IA_Civitavecchia_R475
19.53576208MedievalHungarian_DA199
20.00811835Mycenaean_I9041
22.34370829BR2_Hungary
23.08357425NorthItalian_HGDP01171
23.51881800IA_Ardea_R850
23.68841278Crimean_Goth_KER1
 
Angela said:
Stuvane K15 ancient:
QdowJYo.png


Me, K15 ancient, using 23andme v5
T9GtWDy.png


Stuvane K13 Ancient
UswAxTM.png


My K13 ancient
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Are all the Antonio et al samples not included in the K13 ancient?
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Frankly I don't know it: for now it seems to me that the K13 oracle works by including only these Italian samples, but from the Iron Age. In the list of "Source" I don't see other samples of successive ages

IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016,36.74,7.19,33.37,1,20.51,0,0,0,0,1.18,0,0,0
IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021,37.07,8.81,31.95,2.08,18.94,0.63,0,0,0,0,0.52,0,0
IA_Ardea_R850,11.62,6.21,21.32,16.86,32.99,9.34,0,0.69,0.66,0,0,0.31,0
IA_Ardea_R851,35.01,14.12,33.47,1.26,16.14,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015,35.88,8.02,33.68,0,19.97,1.72,0,0.11,0,0.62,0,0,0
IA_Civitavecchia_R475,21.89,7.06,33.22,0,25.63,6.6,0,0,0,0,0,3.92,1.68
IA_Civitavecchia_R474,36.98,12.08,25.22,5.32,16.98,1.62,0,0,0.78,0.44,0,0.44,0.14
IA_Civitavecchia_R473,33.91,12.08,31.64,0.33,18.52,3.33,0,0,0.18,0,0,0,0
IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437,19.08,5.15,27.36,15.02,28.43,4.56,0,0.4,0,0,0,0,0
IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435,40.46,14.59,27.65,2.59,12.1,1.38,0.24,0,0.29,0.64,0,0,0.07
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1,29.01,13.68,21.75,9.75,19.74,3.46,0,0,1.24,0.94,0.43,0,0
 
Angela said:
Just for the heck of it, this is the K15 ancient using ancestry

Distance to:Claire
6.23683413IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
10.08218230IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.37367341BronzAgeBalkan
10.70144850Vucedol_I3499
10.81427298EMBA_Croatia_I4331
11.41200245ScythianMoldova_SCY197
12.63404527BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332
13.02699121IA_Civitavecchia_R473
13.44933827ScythianMoldova_SCY300
14.74471431IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
15.66575884IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
15.74114672Bavaria_STR310
15.76888075IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
16.55643681IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
16.60224684IA_Ardea_R851
18.01145469IronAgeBalkan
18.58877080Scythian_SCY311
18.68457385IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
18.91148857IA_Civitavecchia_R475
19.53576208MedievalHungarian_DA199
20.00811835Mycenaean_I9041
22.34370829BR2_Hungary
23.08357425NorthItalian_HGDP01171
23.51881800IA_Ardea_R850
23.68841278Crimean_Goth_KER1
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I'd say rather convergent results with those of 23andme :)
 
Jovialis said:
@Angela,

You're right, this verifies that other calculators, in this case Dodecad K12b correctly puts me closer to the Iron Age sample 437, than Eurogenes.
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For one thing, his calculators are all made to give users more East European, which throws everything off for Italians and Iberians.

If you can upload these ancient samples to the K12b Dodecad on Lukas' site, that would be GREAT!
 
Angela said:
For one thing, his calculators are all made to give users more East European, which throws everything off for Italians and Iberians.
If you can upload these ancient samples to the K12b Dodecad on Lukas' site, that would be GREAT!
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An entire Ancient calculator on Dodecad K12b would be ideal for us, indeed. However, there is this odd error with the coordinates. Maybe mlukas can chime in for a solution.
 
mlukas said:
Some good guy send me K13 Italian regional breakdown (for modern of course). Check it out.
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm
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Given that there's only 1 Ligurian sample, and it's from Genova, not eastern Liguria, I'd say this is pretty accurate as far as Emilia, Toscana, and Liguria are concerned. However, on the K13 and K15 regular I'm much closer to the North Italian sample, which is Bergamo, which is Lombardia. (See upthread) So, that doesn't make sense. I'm also much closer to the Piemonte sample on MDLP.

Distance to:Claire
2.99839957Emilia
3.15726147Tuscany
3.38475996Liguria
3.67819249Tuscan
4.30383550Romagna
5.21252338Umbria
6.16301874Lombardy
6.22120567Marche
6.24877588Lazio
6.80908217FrenchCorsica
7.16684031Veneto
7.74483053Piedmont
8.55386462Friuli-VG
10.40681507Trentino
10.78628759Swiss_Italian
10.85248359Swiss-Italian
11.19184971Albanian
11.27902035West_Sicilian
11.29719134Kosovo_Albanian
12.46015249Abruzzo
12.80389394Greek_Thessaly
13.20890916North_Macedonian
13.28875464Basilicata
13.29574368Molise
13.87101294Greek_Peloponnese
 
mlukas said:
Some good guy send me K13 Italian regional breakdown (for modern of course). Check it out.
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm
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good for me

except I would have thought Trentino should be second ...........as my line heading north through veneto , hit the town of Fonzaso then deviated to the left ( trentino ) .....i am talking 16th century





..............75.6Veneto................18.8Friuli-VG..............5.6Bosniak_Sandzak


Bosniak Sandzak is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raška_(region)

The name is derived from the name of the region's most important fort of Ras, which first appears in the 6th century sources as Arsa, recorded under that name in the work De aedificiis of Byzantine historian Procopius.[2] By the 10th century, the variant Ras became common name for the fort, as attested by the work De Administrando Imperio, written by Constantine Porphyrogenitus,[3] and also by the Byzantine seal of John, governor of Ras (c. 971–976).[4]


Do you have anything on these Bosnians samples?
 
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Mine. Italian regions are inaccurate (no Campania). I guess it's trickier for "mixed" people.

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Distance to:Carlos
4.58067681Swiss
5.21342498Italian_North
6.32596238Provancestralal
8.82495326Montenegrin
9.58610453Bulgarian
9.71032955Macedonian
9.96185224French
10.18203320German-South
10.39813926Romania
10.98089250Portugese
11.81142667Serbian
11.99235173Italian-North
12.01633055Gagauz
12.54261934Iberian
13.07867730Spaniard
14.14526423Corsican
15.24446129Ashkenazim_V
15.42628601Kosovar
16.11452140CEU
16.14545757British
17.35571952Greek_South
17.50005143Orcadian
17.72703585Austrian
17.79018550German_V
17.87579928Greek_North


TargetDistanceBasque
Corsican
Croatian
Cypriot
Finnish-North
Georgian_Imereti
Georgian_Laz
German_V
Inkeri
Italian-Center
Italian_North
Kosovar
Latvian
Lumbee
Montenegrin
Moroccan
Mozabite
Polish_V
Sardinian
JuanCarlos0.76247348•
4.06.818.21.22.60.80.21.23.411.07.86.26.60.44.24.60.65.215.0
Average0.76247348•
4.06.818.21.22.60.80.21.23.411.07.86.26.60.44.24.60.65.215.0
RESET SORTINGCOPY TABLE AS CSVCOPY TABLE AS TSV
 
It worked well for me and my parents, but my mother got Trentino at first, before Veneto, and she's Venetian in ancestry. My father and I got Veneto at first.

@TardisBlue
Yeah, afaik these Gedmatch Oracles don't work so well for mixed people. Commercial tests such 23andMe's seem to do a better job here.
 
Vahaduo Eurogenes K13 updated spreadsheet. My results.

Very cool.(y) I am a mixed man, as I always knew. Approximately 95% European (mainly Iberian) + approximately 5% non European (mainly SSA). Nice calculator because wrong would be if this fact was not shown in the "Mixed Mode Population Sharing". In the United States I would have to sit in the back seat of the buses.:LOL: (The laughing emoji is only valid if this rule no longer exists, because if it continues to exist, the laughing emoji must be replaced by a frightened emoji:petrified: and also by a thoughtful emoji:unsure: that asks himself: What society is this?).


Don't take me seriously. It's just a joke. I know this rule doesn't exist anymore in US and I love the big cosmopolitan cities of the United States like New York, Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco. Whenever I can, I travel through these stops. Lately I have not gone there much because my time is short. :)

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I have created the coordinates for the Iron Age Italian samples for Dodecad K12b.

All of the samples are close to Northern Italians, with the exception of R437, which is close to Southern Italians, and R850, which is close to Cretans. R475 is close to Italians at a very poor fit.

IA_Latin_Ardea_R850,7.30,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.10,0
IA_Latin_Ardea_R851,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_435,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_437,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
IA_Civitavecchia_R475,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.70,0.42
IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015,1.56,0.19,2.85,0,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.50,0.40
IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.10,0
IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021,2.11,0,1.96,0.60,47.70,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
IA_Civitavecchia_R474,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
IA_Civitavecchia_R473,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0.21,20.17,0.34

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