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Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet - Default + data, post #342:

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Jovialis said:
Thanks! :)

Yep, There's a bunch of new ones with the previous ones I posted. Only 47 left to go.
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Well, here's the first batch:
6.16793320MA_Cancelleria_R1285
6.88215809Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R111
9.01179227MA_Cancelleria_R1283
9.10498215IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
9.25520934LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R120
9.40529638LA_Celio_R36
9.46954592LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R33
9.61917356IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
9.80181106IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
9.85873217LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110
10.29759195LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
10.76144972IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.89582948IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
10.91793937IA_Civitavecchia_R473
11.21531542Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R113
12.94033230MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
13.02701424Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R835
13.18377791IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
13.23101281MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
13.78290245LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
13.98591792Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
14.09673366IA_Latin_Palestrina_Selicata_R437
14.36188010MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
14.47437736Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R131
14.62137818LA_Crypta_Balbi_R107
With Szolad and Collegno
6.16793320MA_Cancelleria_R1285
6.36315173SZ43
6.88215809Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R111
7.68900514CL36
8.38781259SZ28
8.99296392SZ31
9.00708055CL23
9.01179227MA_Cancelleria_R1283
9.10498215IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
9.25520934LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R120
9.40529638LA_Celio_R36
9.46954592LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R33
9.61917356IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
9.80181106IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
9.85873217LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110
10.14013314SZ36
10.29759195LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
10.76144972IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.89582948IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
10.91793937IA_Civitavecchia_R473
11.21531542Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R113
11.93190680SZ19
12.94033230MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
13.02701424Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R835
13.11815917CL121
13.18377791IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
13.23101281MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
13.42359490SZ37
13.49423210SZ40
13.78290245LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
13.98591792Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
14.09673366IA_Latin_Palestrina_Selicata_R437
14.36188010MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
14.47437736Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R131
14.62137818LA_Crypta_Balbi_R107


Here, I'm about equally distant to the 1015 Etruscan sample and the R1 Proto-Villanovan, but again, closest mainly to the Szolad samples. The values are much higher than in mytrueancestry.com

Amazing the difference in the values. I wonder what mta did differently?

Thanks, Jovialis. :)
 
Duarte said:
Thanks Angela. I agree with you :)
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Now I'm running your consolidated set with all the ancient samples including Iberian ones.

Well, I'm stumped. :(

Not because all the Iberians showed up, I hasten to add, but because the values for some of the samples from Antonio et al are different, and, for goodness sakes', although SZ43 is the closest, I'm more similar to the Illyrians/Dalmatians and Scythians and Thracians than I am to a lot of the Antonio et al samples. Plus, SZ28 showed up, which I don't remember ever being close to before.

How can that be? I know they settled Avars in northern Italy, but Scythians?

Wait a minute, the Scythians didn't deform women's heads like the Huns and Avars did they? :petrified:

I'm not so sure I want to be so related to them if they did. :sad-2: Hideous practice.

6.31505344SZ43
6.50777996IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
6.58852032RomanCarthagoMixIberia_I8475
7.63776145MA_Cancelleria_R1285
7.69473846ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
8.03440104SZ28
8.06378943ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499
8.68103680CL36
8.83378175Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R111
8.84223954SZ31
9.34141852LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R33
9.34955079CL23
9.47985232IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
9.50960041ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
9.53899890IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
9.59662441IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
9.81422437MA_Cancelleria_R1283
10.03918323LA_Celio_R36
10.16986234LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R120
10.17686101SZ36
10.53433434LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110
10.59060433IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
10.59347441IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
10.84604536PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516
11.18912865HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
11.24687068IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
11.65493029IA_Civitavecchia_R474
11.69325019Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55
11.96830815LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
12.09626389SZ19
12.14681440Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R113
12.26818650GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
12.28989015IA_Civitavecchia_R473
12.29894304SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
12.43548149IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
12.65719163SZ37
12.95066408MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
13.11054156Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105
13.55524253MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
13.67006584Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R835
13.67792016CL121
13.74531193IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
13.82331726EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981
14.00183916CL49
14.07521225LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
14.09731535CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457
14.21060168LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
14.37017745SZ1
14.40416259SZ40
14.56083445LA_Crypta_Balbi_R107

Maybe I did something wrong???
 
Stuvanè said:
Eurogenes k15 ancient adding in Source the regional coordinates by Salento.


Distance to:Stuvanè
4.06595622IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
8.25298734Italia_Umbria
9.10625609Italia_Toscana
9.11383015Italia_Emilia
9.29851601Italia_Bergamo
9.30705109Italia_Romagna
10.12929415Italia_Veneto
10.16353777Italia_Friuli
10.47946564Italia_Liguria
10.50258064Italia_Orobia
10.62931795Italia_Brescia
11.08832269Italia_Piemonte
11.29565403Italia_Lombardia
11.32528587Italia_Ager_Gallicus
11.45519969Italia_Lazio
11.77299452BronzAgeBalkan
11.79011026FR_Italia_Corsica
11.93661175Italia_Insubria
12.20388053Italia_Marche
12.79597202Italia_Emilia_Est
13.35829705IA_Civitavecchia_R474
13.51964497Italia_Abruzzo
13.54733184Italia_Trentino
13.65697990Vucedol_I3499
14.11556233ScythianMoldova_SCY197


Compared to other calculators it makes me slide into more central areas, but at the same time it increases the distance
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SHOUT OUT TO SALENTO!

At least Corsica is where it belongs, and the rest looks reasonable. However, adding the modern samples seems to push the ancients away. Also, the darn Scythians are intruding again! :)

You shouldn't be so far from Romagna, Stuvane!

Grugni didn't even sample in Romagna, or Umbria for that matter. In fact, I don't think any academic paper has sampled there. Did the creator just use people he knew???

Anyway, here it is:
3.36122002Italia_Emilia
3.76767833Italia_Toscana
4.58380846Italia_Liguria
4.88050202Italia_Romagna
5.82006014Italia_Orobia
5.97063648Italia_Brescia
6.10724160Italia_Emilia_Est
6.43373142Italia_Bergamo
6.51638704Italia_Lombardia
6.59585476IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
6.72710933FR_Italia_Corsica
6.80831110Italia_Veneto
6.81763155Italia_Lazio
6.86879902Italia_Insubria
7.14892999Italia_Ager_Gallicus
7.17363227Italia_Friuli
7.40002027Italia_Umbria
8.02165818Italia_Piemonte
8.61444136Italia_Marche
9.57179711Italia_Trentino
9.97415661IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.52466151EMBA_Croatia_I4331
10.83707525ScythianMoldova_SCY197
11.14772174Italia_Abruzzo
11.64466831BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332
11.76470144Italia_Molise
11.84143572Italia_Ticino
11.90834581BronzAgeBalkan
12.52287507Italia_Val_d_Aosta
13.03677107Vucedol_I3499
13.05595650Italia_Basilicata
13.33667875Italia_Campania
13.34351903IA_Civitavecchia_R473
13.43527819Italia_Puglia
14.45502681Italia_Salento
14.87404787Italia_Sicilia
14.91996984Bavaria_STR310
14.99525258IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
14.99546598IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
15.06043824IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
15.46276819IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
15.83683996ScythianMoldova_SCY300
16.19309729IA_Ardea_R851
16.26327458IronAgeBalkan
16.51389948MA_Malta
17.46251414IA_Civitavecchia_R475
18.13431002Italia_Calabria
18.36019063MedievalHungarian_DA199
18.44684797Scythian_SCY311
18.71971421IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435

Who are Italia Insubria and Italia Ager Gallicus, from what papers? Other than the Proto-Villanovan, they're my closest ancients.

Is the Vucedol Late Neolithic, i.e. pre-steppe?

Wait till my husband sees my distance from Italia Calabria. He'll say it explains everything. Much closer to his Campania side, but certainly not close. Opposites attract indeed. :)

This doesn't make sense. My value for the R1015 Etruscan is much further than on other calculators, even this one without moderns, and my R474 Etruscan is closer.
 
Angela said:
Now I'm running your consolidated set with all the ancient samples including Iberian ones.

Well, I'm stumped. :(

Not because all the Iberians showed up, I hasten to add, but because the values for some of the samples from Antonio et al are different, and, for goodness sakes', although SZ43 is the closest, I'm more similar to the Illyrians/Dalmatians and Scythians and Thracians than I am to a lot of the Antonio et al samples. Plus, SZ28 showed up, which I don't remember ever being close to before.

How can that be? I know they settled Avars in northern Italy, but Scythians?

Wait a minute, the Scythians didn't deform women's heads like the Huns and Avars did they? :petrified:

I'm not so sure I want to be so related to them if they did. :sad-2: Hideous practice.

6.31505344SZ43
6.50777996IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
6.58852032RomanCarthagoMixIberia_I8475
7.63776145MA_Cancelleria_R1285
7.69473846ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
8.03440104SZ28
8.06378943ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499
8.68103680CL36
8.83378175Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R111
8.84223954SZ31
9.34141852LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R33
9.34955079CL23
9.47985232IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
9.50960041ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
9.53899890IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
9.59662441IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
9.81422437MA_Cancelleria_R1283
10.03918323LA_Celio_R36
10.16986234LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R120
10.17686101SZ36
10.53433434LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110
10.59060433IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
10.59347441IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
10.84604536PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516
11.18912865HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
11.24687068IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
11.65493029IA_Civitavecchia_R474
11.69325019Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55
11.96830815LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
12.09626389SZ19
12.14681440Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R113
12.26818650GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
12.28989015IA_Civitavecchia_R473
12.29894304SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
12.43548149IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
12.65719163SZ37
12.95066408MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
13.11054156Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105
13.55524253MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
13.67006584Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R835
13.67792016CL121
13.74531193IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
13.82331726EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981
14.00183916CL49
14.07521225LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
14.09731535CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457
14.21060168LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
14.37017745SZ1
14.40416259SZ40
14.56083445LA_Crypta_Balbi_R107

Maybe I did something wrong???
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Hi Angela.

I obtained the Iberian, Illyrian and Scythian coordinates from the BAM files stored at the following links:

Iberians
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB30874

Illyrians
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB22652


Scythians
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB27628



The K12b coordinates were obtained using the WGS Extract and DNA Admix Studio V2.4 tools. BAM files converted to txt, recommended WGS standard. If Jovialis wants to, he can check the coordinates of the Scythians and Illyrians (only seven samples), because he is using the same tools as me.
I think there's nothing wrong with coordinates, but someone else's QA is always welcome.

Scythians and Illyrians do not appear to me, on Dodecad K12b, but both are good "matches" to me on MTA. Why? I don't know!!!
 
@Angela

Note that there are blank spaces in the posted coordinates that must be removed before data adding to Vahaduo. These spaces appear when data are paste in the Eupedia site. The data copyed and pasted on the Eupedia site, lose the formatting from the original file. In Eupedia appears the white spaces, unfortunately. Try the file from the link below, which is 'clean':

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iWbPJrswse9Wsthm0zTgzH2nh377c4z7/view?usp=sharing
 
@dauarte

my result with all your additions form post 342

Distance to:Torziok12b
1.89726118Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55
2.57738938Italy_FriuliVG
2.91721398Italy_Veneto
3.15360272Italy_Piedmont
4.32371831Italy_Trentino
4.63928874Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105
4.65249395IA_Civitavecchia_R474
4.82277928CL23
4.85309180IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
4.86300319IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
5.02880702IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
5.21059138Swiss_Italian
5.21492090LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R33
5.62034319Italy_Lombardy
6.00532264SZ28
6.33094275Italy_Liguria
6.60955369CL49
6.64383556Italy_Emilia
6.88000000ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499
6.93799683CL94
6.96106620Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.57478052IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
7.62312272CL57
7.70831369CL36
7.72828571CL47



my cousin ( paternal side ) from trentino

Distance to:TrentinoCles
2.53333772LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R33
2.88975778IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
3.31051356IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
3.75795157IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
3.85072720SZ28
4.14305918Italy_Veneto
4.27906532SZ43
4.66815569Italy_Lombardy
4.82467099Italy_Liguria
5.06032608IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
5.11384405Italy_Emilia
5.48084210Italy_Piedmont
5.74693571Italy_Tuscany
5.88459005ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499
6.05645936CL36
6.11802256Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55
6.15176853Italy_FriuliVG
6.50109222CL23
6.53108720SZ31
6.62085059Swiss_Italian
7.19608922Italy_Trentino
7.22083098Italy_Romagna
7.26898205ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
7.89238874CL49
7.97467241SZ36
 
torzio said:
@dauarte

my result with all your additions form post 342

Distance to:Torziok12b
1.89726118Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55
2.57738938Italy_FriuliVG
2.91721398Italy_Veneto
3.15360272Italy_Piedmont
4.32371831Italy_Trentino
4.63928874Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105
4.65249395IA_Civitavecchia_R474
4.82277928CL23
4.85309180IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
4.86300319IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
5.02880702IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
5.21059138Swiss_Italian
5.21492090LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R33
5.62034319Italy_Lombardy
6.00532264SZ28
6.33094275Italy_Liguria
6.60955369CL49
6.64383556Italy_Emilia
6.88000000ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499
6.93799683CL94
6.96106620Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.57478052IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
7.62312272CL57
7.70831369CL36
7.72828571CL47



my cousin ( paternal side ) from trentino

Distance to:TrentinoCles
2.53333772LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R33
2.88975778IllyrianDalmatian_I4332
3.31051356IllyrianDalmatian_I4331
3.75795157IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
3.85072720SZ28
4.14305918Italy_Veneto
4.27906532SZ43
4.66815569Italy_Lombardy
4.82467099Italy_Liguria
5.06032608IllyrianDalmatian_I3313
5.11384405Italy_Emilia
5.48084210Italy_Piedmont
5.74693571Italy_Tuscany
5.88459005ProtoThracianIllyrianVucedol_I3499
6.05645936CL36
6.11802256Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55
6.15176853Italy_FriuliVG
6.50109222CL23
6.53108720SZ31
6.62085059Swiss_Italian
7.19608922Italy_Trentino
7.22083098Italy_Romagna
7.26898205ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
7.89238874CL49
7.97467241SZ36
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Very cool, torzio. I tried to vote for your post, but unfortunataly I can vote no more today. Cheers :) (y)
 
Duarte said:
Hi Angela.

I obtained the Iberian, Illyrian and Scythian coordinates from the BAM files stored at the following links:

Iberians
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB30874

Illyrians
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB22652


Scythians
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB27628



The K12b coordinates were obtained using the WGS Extract and DNA Admix Studio V2.4 tools. BAM files converted to txt, recommended WGS standard. If Jovialis wants to, he can check the coordinates of the Scythians and Illyrians (only seven samples), because he is using the same tools as me.
I think there's nothing wrong with coordinates, but someone else's QA is always welcome.

Scythians and Illyrians do not appear to me, on Dodecad K12b, but both are good "matches" to me on MTA. Why? I don't know!!!
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Hope you don't think I was implying it's your fault!!! You can't be blamed for my "weird" ancestry results :) The vagaries of these calculators are also not your responsibility.

It's frustrating though to get such different distances depending not only on the calculator but on the combination of sources.

Although, most of the samples to which I'm close appear again and again. Different order, and sometimes different distances, but many of the same samples. SZ28 and SZ31 are new, but looking at them they should probably have shown up before, as they're the same mix of TSI pulled northwest by IBS and Great Britain.
 
I think I have to take a break. I'm forgetting what I tested and what I didn't. :)

Anyway, these are my husband's K15 ancient results with the Grugni sample coordinates provided by Salento.

Sicily (and Malta) is a surprise, but Calabria and Campania are correct. I stopped at a distance of 25 because after that, what's the point.

R850 shows up earlier and R437 later than on other calculators. I give up! :)

4.79172203Italia_Calabria
5.37255209MA_Malta
6.36634118Italia_Sicilia
6.93840039Italia_Campania
6.93961094Italia_Salento
8.04560750IA_Ardea_R850
9.07207253Italia_Puglia
9.50939535Italia_Molise
9.84236760Italia_Basilicata
9.84325657Italia_Abruzzo
12.09268374Mycenaean_I9041
12.18474866Italia_Umbria
12.30266638Italia_Marche
12.30402373IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
13.99994286Italia_Ager_Gallicus
14.00897926Italia_Lazio
14.79203164ChalcolithicAgeAnatolian
15.59970192Italia_Romagna
15.62582798KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
16.02196305Crimean_Goth_KER1
17.17328157Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212
17.65555437Mycenaean_I9006
17.68222837FR_Italia_Corsica
17.84806432Italia_Toscana
17.99575228KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2200
18.27189372IronAgeBalkan
18.78429131Minoan_Lasithi_I9005
19.18024505ArmenianChalcolithic_I1632
19.73363879IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
19.74544758ArmenianChalcolithic_I1634
19.85970795Italia_Emilia
20.89206069Italia_Emilia_Est
21.11876180Italia_Liguria
22.05061904Minoan_Lasithi_I0074
22.50006000AnatoliaEarlyNeolithic_Tep003
22.53031513Italia_Brescia
22.66304701Italia_Bergamo
23.03091618Italia_Orobia
23.24185879Italia_Friuli
23.75656330Italia_Veneto
23.79650184Italia_Lombardia
24.03288996Vucedol_I3499
24.38706214Italia_Insubria
24.42494012ArmenianChalcolithic_I1407
24.45488908Minoan_Lasithi_I0073
24.47140781IA_Civitavecchia_R475
25.16761808Italia_Piemonte
25.75751735Bavaria_STR310

Where's all this Levantine I'd like to know.
 
I, the Scythians and the Illyrians of Dalmatia:

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@dauarte

Do you have ancient sample I5524 from Bavaria BB sample in your data-base ..............My mothers data gets this from another site

I5524
mtDNA: H72


............................................

and why are my results nearly always under 10 ....while others have many over 10 ............
 
torzio said:
@dauarte

Do you have ancient sample I5524 from Bavaria BB sample in your data-base ..............My mothers data gets this from another site

I5524
mtDNA: H72


............................................

and why are my results nearly always under 10 ....while others have many over 10 ............
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Hi torzio,

I don't have this data, but tomorrow (for me, in Brazil, are January 6th, 10:34 PM now, LOL) I will search and return to you.
 
Duarte said:
Hi torzio,

I don't have this data, but tomorrow (for me, in Brazil, are January 6th, 10:34 PM now, LOL) I will search and return to you.
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Is that date not Befana date.......when the gifts are opened?

A theory connects the tradition of exchanging gifts to an ancient Roman festivity in honour of Ianus and Strenia (in Italian a Christmas gift used to be called strenna), celebrated at the beginning of the year, when Romans used to give each other presents.
 
Distance to:S_dod_k12b_upd_+_Ancient
3.13945983Italy_Apulia
3.62197460MA_Villa_Magna_R59
4.05852190MA_Villa_Magna_R58
4.78208110Italy_Abruzzo
4.84016529LA_Crypta_Balbi_R107
5.00111987MA_Villa_Magna_R60
5.13485151MA_Villa_Magna_R54
5.25852641MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973
5.26076991MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
5.45192682Italy_Campania
5.67145352Italy_Sicily
5.78962866LA_Celio_R35
5.85737142MA_Villa_Magna_R65
6.13075036MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
6.26099832LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
6.36004717Imperial_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_R1544
6.44980620Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R136
6.69945520MA_Villa_Magna_R56
6.80276414LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R122
6.93261134MA_Villa_Magna_R64
7.02472064Imperial_Palestrina_R436
7.06887544Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
7.22002770Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R114
7.28308711Italy_Calabria
7.34021798Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R835


Distance to:S_dod_K12b_Ancient_only
3.62197460MA_Villa_Magna_R59
4.05852190MA_Villa_Magna_R58
4.84016529LA_Crypta_Balbi_R107
5.00111987MA_Villa_Magna_R60
5.13485151MA_Villa_Magna_R54
5.25852641MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973
5.26076991MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
5.78962866LA_Celio_R35
5.85737142MA_Villa_Magna_R65
6.13075036MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
6.26099832LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
6.36004717Imperial_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_R1544
6.44980620Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R136
6.69945520MA_Villa_Magna_R56
6.80276414LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R122
6.93261134MA_Villa_Magna_R64
7.02472064Imperial_Palestrina_R436
7.06887544Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
7.22002770Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R114
7.34021798Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R835
7.99186461Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R131
8.62114842MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
8.67596104LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R32
9.02955148CL121
9.12576572CL110
 
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Angela said:
SHOUT OUT TO SALENTO!

At least Corsica is where it belongs, and the rest looks reasonable. However, adding the modern samples seems to push the ancients away. Also, the darn Scythians are intruding again! :)

You shouldn't be so far from Romagna, Stuvane!

Grugni didn't even sample in Romagna, or Umbria for that matter. In fact, I don't think any academic paper has sampled there. Did the creator just use people he knew???
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Hi, Angela. I suspected that my areas had few samples. Anyway here are the new results of the Dodecad k12 b with only ancient samples from the Duarte list (post #342) :)

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81885548_619777575506396_6423413389791330304_n.png
 
Angela said:
Hope you don't think I was implying it's your fault!!! You can't be blamed for my "weird" ancestry results :) The vagaries of these calculators are also not your responsibility.

It's frustrating though to get such different distances depending not only on the calculator but on the combination of sources.

Although, most of the samples to which I'm close appear again and again. Different order, and sometimes different distances, but many of the same samples. SZ28 and SZ31 are new, but looking at them they should probably have shown up before, as they're the same mix of TSI pulled northwest by IBS and Great Britain.
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Don't worry, Angela. Each calculator has its own algorithm and, as we have seen in the experiments we have done with Dodecad K12b, the results vary greatly depending on the populations in the data source. It all depends on the algorithm and the quality of the source data. I have you as a teacher and I respect my teachers very much. Since you said that Dodecad K12b is the best calculator and that it is the one that returns the results most consistent with scientific papers, I bought the idea that Dodecad 12b is the best calculator. Your experience is my reference. Cheers :)
 
torzio said:
@dauarte

Do you have ancient sample I5524 from Bavaria BB sample in your data-base ..............My mothers data gets this from another site

I5524
mtDNA: H72


............................................

and why are my results nearly always under 10 ....while others have many over 10 ............
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@torzio

Dodecad 12b coordinates:
Bavaria_BB_II5524,2.95,0.00,1.28,1.77,41.61,28.76,0.00,0.00,3.52,0.00,20.12,0.00

Souce:
Bavaria
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB23635

Cheers :)
 
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