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my grandmother, southern Italian from Campania

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Duarte, all of a sudden when I add your new Collegno and Szolad sample it says column number mismatch or variable column number in source. Am I doing something wrong?
 
my dodecad k12b updated spreadsheet results

Distance to:torziok12b
7.31461551N_Italian
10.24966341O_Italian
10.73141650North_Italian
12.22643039TSI30
13.80326773Tuscan
16.01512098C_Italian
16.27628950Romanians
16.46947479Baleares
17.05822969Galicia
17.07617053Bulgarian
17.12228373Bulgarians
17.86829035Extremadura
17.92111604French
18.08995578French
18.38292414Portuguese
20.19489044Murcia
20.45467184Castilla_Y_Leon
20.48964617Cataluna
20.55820031Greek
20.81762715Spaniards
21.12570946Canarias
21.59592091Andalucia
21.78016988Spanish
22.99629535Mixed_Germanic
23.18748801Hungarians


51.2N_Italian
24.2O_Italian 19.6
German 1.8
Romanians 1.8
Tajiks



same as before
 
K13 ancient

Distance to:Torzio
3.14279107IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
7.21271793CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
7.47605511SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
7.54191620SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
7.62072831RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9
7.71743481CL49_collegno_italy_longobard
7.83749960DA195_Hungary_Scythian
8.02793871SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
8.32675207DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary
8.40845408SZ45.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
8.55622580SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
8.69714321SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
8.70789871CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
9.38891900SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard
9.47101367SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
9.66252038IA_Civitavecchia_R474
9.66802979SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
10.28309292I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1_2
10.32287751scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
10.45008134CL94_collegno_italy_longobard
10.54462896CL57_collegno_italy_longobard
10.83154190ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
11.10855526SZ18_szolad_hungary_longobard
11.34702604CL47_collegno_italy_longobard
11.45461916I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1



Distance to:trentinoCles
4.99492743SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
6.58473993IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
6.88456970SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
7.26103298ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
7.46621725IA_Civitavecchia_R474
7.58897226SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
7.81855485RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9
8.14178727I7424_morisco
8.14660666CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
8.25780843I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1
8.84250530SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
8.90200539I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1_2
9.50753385CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
9.52839966I7424_morisco2
9.57641895I12647_iberia
9.73838282CL49_collegno_italy_longobard
9.77061411I12647_iberia2
9.95622418SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
10.27542700SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
10.51157933scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
10.66541138I12516_iberia
10.93564813SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
10.94344096IA_Civitavecchia_R473
11.32243348CrusaderSI41KingdomofJerusalem
11.95757919SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard
 
OK, my K12b without Szolad and Collego since they aren't working for some reason.
3.35070082France_Corsica
5.88253772Italy_Tuscany
6.05046701Italy_Emilia
6.46549999Italy_Liguria
7.41275253Italy_Romagna
7.49533572Italy_Lombardy
9.01179227MA_Cancelleria_R1283
9.10498215IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
9.37771817Italy_Marche
9.40447500Italy_Piedmont
9.40529638LA_Celio_R36
9.61917356IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
9.80181106IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
9.81684050Italy_Veneto
10.29759195LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
10.41448482Italy_Lazio
10.76144972IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.89582948IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
10.91793937IA_Civitavecchia_R473
11.46905892Swiss_Italian
12.79029632Italy_Trentino
12.93960726Italy_FriuliVG
12.94033230MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
13.18377791IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
13.23101281MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970

I'd really like to know if those Corsican samples came from people of mixed Corsican/French ancestry.
 
Does anyone have a link to the part of the Grugni paper where they listed their samples by area? My memory of it is that they used samples only from certain specific areas, and some of them were counterintuitive, as well: Viterbo being their "Central Italian" sample, for example.
 
Perhaps these "new" Italian samples are actually the ones from the Raveane et al paper. There's no comparison between those samples and the ones traditionally used, which is probably why I get such a different result to "Northern Italian" depending on whether they're using Bergamo or a rather eclectic collection of "Northern Italians".

I don't know whether it's such a good idea to include them but keep the old ones at the same time.

As for the Corsican sample, I think it comes from this paper on Corsica, which chose its Corsican samples (for geographical coverage) from the DiCristoforo paper, and nowhere did they say that they checked or even asked whether all four grandparents were from Corsica.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-49901-8

With a lot of papers coming from young, NOT seasoned researchers, we're going to have a mess on our hands.
 
Does anyone have a link to the part of the Grugni paper where they listed their samples by area? My memory of it is that they used samples only from certain specific areas, and some of them were counterintuitive, as well: Viterbo being their "Central Italian" sample, for example.


There was no North-east of Italy in the Grugni samples..............other north italian area where present

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ghts_from_a_male_Y-chromosome_perspective#pf2
 
These are the K12b results of one of my matches. Mother was from Capri, and father was allegedly from Sicily:


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These are the K12b results of one of my matches. Mother was from Capri, and father was allegedly from Sicily:


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I wonder if the "Turk" samples are from Pontic Greek areas.

Once again, we see the problem we always had with using modern samples, i.e. there were no Ashkenazi Jews in Italy until they fled Germany, and some from the end of the 19th century, and even then they were a handful, and mostly in the north, so they can have had nothing to do with the ethnogenesis of southern Italians.
 
I wonder if the "Turk" samples are from Pontic Greek areas.

The Pontian Greeks cluster close to Hamshen Armenians and Georgian Laz (and of course the Trabzon_Turks with no C.Asian admix) not with the rest of the Turkish population. Overlapping Greeks and Turks can be from areas like Asian Minor, Istanbul, and Cappadocia.

PCA and distances using G25 population averages:

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I wonder if the "Turk" samples are from Pontic Greek areas.

Once again, we see the problem we always had with using modern samples, i.e. there were no Ashkenazi Jews in Italy until they fled Germany, and some from the end of the 19th century, and even then they were a handful, and mostly in the north, so they can have had nothing to do with the ethnogenesis of southern Italians.

This is her K15 ancient:

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And her K13 ancient:

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I wonder if the "Turk" samples are from Pontic Greek areas.

Once again, we see the problem we always had with using modern samples, i.e. there were no Ashkenazi Jews in Italy until they fled Germany, and some from the end of the 19th century, and even then they were a handful, and mostly in the north, so they can have had nothing to do with the ethnogenesis of southern Italians.

Pontic Greeks usually end up more like the Armenians than the Turks.

I don't find G25 completely accurate, but that's the current situation.

Where there are so many populations the labels don't match perfectly own their clusters.


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Iberian Samples to help developing the Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient:

LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469,9.22,0.00,1.86,0.32,52.61,20.57,1.16,0.00,0.87,0.00,13.40,0.00
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_I2472,1.14,0.00,3.50,1.18,56.65,26.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,11.52,0.00
CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238,2.44,0.00,3.07,0.00,44.99,36.67,0.52,0.00,0.17,0.60,10.96,0.59
Pre-RomanGirona_I3324,5.56,1.29,0.00,0.00,52.03,29.28,0.00,0.00,3.67,0.32,7.07,0.77
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576,3.39,1.20,10.98,0.00,37.27,15.84,0.00,1.46,9.98,0.03,17.96,1.88
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581,2.25,0.00,9.46,0.99,36.90,18.80,0.00,0.42,12.18,0.62,16.63,1.75
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585,4.00,0.76,7.98,0.00,40.89,21.30,1.15,2.10,7.58,0.29,13.67,0.26
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981,5.23,0.02,8.00,0.74,43.54,17.45,0.00,1.85,6.11,0.00,15.69,1.37
RomanVillaGranadaSpain_I4055,6.34,0.29,11.67,0.00,35.87,20.88,0.00,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06
MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425,4.46,0.00,11.07,1.63,34.23,17.00,0.00,2.36,7.37,0.00,17.40,4.48
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457,3.88,0.00,10.09,0.00,37.97,18.30,0.00,2.07,8.05,0.00,16.16,3.50
HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497,1.70,0.00,4.03,0.00,42.32,12.32,0.00,0.32,14.03,3.23,18.18,3.87
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498,1.57,1.18,7.25,0.00,37.31,21.69,2.00,0.79,8.98,0.46,17.01,1.75
VasconicTribe_I8209,6.77,0.00,1.74,0.00,48.23,30.32,0.21,0.60,0.79,0.17,11.18,0.00
RomanEraGirona_I8339,2.27,0.00,0.00,0.22,49.12,31.98,3.72,0.00,5.88,0.79,5.59,0.44
RomanCarthagoMixIberia_I8475,4.30,0.33,5.35,0.00,39.62,19.72,1.18,0.14,7.35,0.00,22.00,0.00
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851,7.04,0.00,0.00,0.00,39.28,30.10,1.85,2.44,5.97,0.00,13.33,0.00
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852,7.32,0.00,3.77,0.00,43.67,27.11,1.41,0.37,5.94,0.00,9.37,1.03
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853,3.61,0.00,6.44,0.00,38.24,26.00,1.37,0.00,6.47,0.00,17.25,0.63
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866,4.02,0.48,8.95,0.00,39.73,28.49,0.11,2.53,6.47,0.00,6.62,2.62
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892,5.59,0.26,3.58,0.41,44.49,24.42,0.33,1.20,5.21,0.00,14.35,0.16
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895,3.18,0.37,5.23,0.41,43.22,25.89,0.00,0.60,6.19,0.00,14.57,0.33
VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032,7.89,1.02,2.62,0.00,37.25,38.02,0.00,0.20,0.00,0.00,12.74,0.26
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034,4.09,0.00,0.00,1.22,49.32,29.61,0.69,0.00,1.50,0.86,12.33,0.38
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208,1.39,0.00,5.31,0.43,54.53,22.97,1.16,0.00,3.96,0.94,8.35,0.95
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12209,0.00,0.00,4.43,1.66,55.40,27.36,0.00,0.00,3.50,0.00,7.08,0.56
IlergetesOutlierCatalan_I12410,0.26,0.00,3.37,0.76,57.15,25.49,0.00,0.16,0.53,0.81,10.56,0.91
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12514,2.62,1.23,7.21,0.04,39.51,25.34,0.00,0.00,7.84,1.09,13.31,1.81
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515,4.18,0.00,8.23,0.18,37.93,21.03,0.00,0.00,9.03,1.04,17.24,1.15
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516,3.00,0.59,4.20,0.41,43.15,22.89,0.00,2.18,4.70,0.00,18.05,0.81
TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561,2.75,0.00,0.00,0.00,64.04,17.25,6.88,0.00,5.47,0.00,3.61,0.00
IronAgeCatalan_I12640,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,52.97,24.35,0.00,0.00,5.65,0.00,15.41,1.61
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644,2.34,1.37,10.60,0.00,36.12,19.10,0.00,1.78,10.72,0.00,16.68,1.29
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647,2.44,0.70,9.01,0.00,36.94,20.28,0.00,1.89,8.27,0.00,18.90,1.58
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649,9.43,0.96,4.90,0.00,43.04,19.67,0.00,0.81,7.33,0.00,13.86,0.00
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878,0.45,0.28,5.90,0.00,57.80,28.10,0.55,0.00,1.02,0.00,5.91,0.00
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_VAD001,3.95,0.00,0.00,0.00,56.95,26.02,1.54,0.00,3.09,0.00,7.87,0.59
BAIberiaValdescusaLaRioja_VAD002,0.00,1.91,0.00,0.91,61.64,25.41,0.00,0.00,3.70,0.87,5.56,0.00
Roman_Soldier_FN_2,1.16,0.00,2.13,0.14,47.26,32.04,0.00,0.00,2.96,0.00,13.75,0.57


Sources:
1)BAM files Iberians:
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB30874

2)Roman_Soldier_FN_2:
GEDmatch Kit Number: Z061309

3)BAM files Italians:
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB32566
 
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My results "Vahaduo Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet" with following sources: Vahaduo default + post #185(Jovialis) + post #205(Duarte) + post #249(Duarte) + post #296(Duarte):

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Here is the samples I've done thus far, with the previous others included:

MA_Villa_Magna_R57,6.89,0,2.97,0.58,27.50,15.59,0,0,0.58,0,34.62,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R58,5.26,0,1.27,0,28.14,15.43,0,0,12.83,0,35.80,0.05
MA_Villa_Magna_R59,4.24,0,2.25,0.19,28.74,15.80,0.31,0,12.53,0.66,34.39,0.88
MA_Villa_Magna_R60,6.75,0.68,3.35,0,27.36,18.94,0,1.54,11.04,0,30.34,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R65,7.61,0,2.22,0.30,28.15,13.40,0,0,12.74,0,35.20,0.38
MA_Villa_Magna_R1290,6.30,0,1.09,0.34,30.16,15.96,0.27,0,12.04,0.09,32.81,0.93
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970,9.25,0,5.12,0.53,29.32,18.41,0,0,7.11,0,30.25,0.01
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973,8.17,0.16,2.94,0,28.76,15.28,0,0,10.56,0.15,33.57,0.40
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969,6.45,0.25,0.99,0,30.40,17.81,0.65,1.10,11.67,0,30.67,0
MA_Cancelleria_R1283,4.58,0,1.73,0,34.27,18.15,0,0.08,11.02,0,29.41,0.75
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121,7.68,0,2.81,0,29.21,18.18,0,0.90,11.76,0,29.47,0
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118,7.28,0.85,1.85,0,34.72,14.81,0,0,11.95,0,28.29,0.24
LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R30,7.67,0,4.49,0.47,27.43,8.56,0.25,1.38,11.74,0.86,37.00,0.24
LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R32,5.90,0,7.07,0.12,29.06,12.90,1.05,1.03,7.57,0,35.31,0
LA_Crypta_Balbi_R107,3.12,0,2.59,0,30.01,16.90,1.72,0,13.16,0,32.50,0
LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110,4.57,1.19,2.38,0.76,41.91,24.74,0.07,0,4.24,0,18.96,0.17
LA_Celio_R36,7.23,0,3.17,0,32.85,20.10,0,0.35,9.77,0,26.50,0.02
LA_Celio_R35,5.62,0,4.55,0.11,28.56,13.42,1.72,0.59,12.58,0,32.74,0.11
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549,9.97,0,3.98,0.04,27.49,20.49,0,0.96,10.94,0.05,26.09,0
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548,10.45,0,1.98,0,23.44,10.87,0,0.17,13.89,0,39.20,0
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1551,14.46,0,0.14,0,10.32,4.49,0,0.80,14.76,0,54.71,0.33
Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836,8.69,0,0.99,0,30.95,15.55,0,0,10.40,0,33.42,0
Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R132,1.95,0,17.82,1.68,24.91,4.20,0,6.73,16.66,0.14,24.20,1.71
Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R134,8.38,0,5.00,0.32,22.37,7.35,0,1.16,15.45,0,39.61,0
Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R136,8.83,0.08,3.88,0,26.08,13.09,0.38,0,12.75,0,34.91,0
Imperial_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_R1543,8.61,0,6.43,0,21.01,9.18,0.27,0.24,15.01,0.04,39.07,0.15
Imperial_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_R1545,7.66,0,1.16,0.13,25.08,8.12,1.02,0.68,15.23,0,40.91,0.01
Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R131,7.30,0.24,0.94,0.57,31.63,13.18,0.27,0,11.79,0,33.23,0.84
Imperial_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis_R37,2.14,1.00,2.70,0,50.70,31.46,0,0,4.24,0,7.65,0.12
Imperial_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis_R38,11.97,0.24,2.94,0,17.99,1.99,0.16,0.30,18.03,0,46.26,0.13
IA_Latin_Ardea_R850,7.30,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.10,0
IA_Latin_Ardea_R851,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
IA_Civitavecchia_R475,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.70,0.42
IA_Civitavecchia_R474,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
IA_Civitavecchia_R473,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0.21,20.17,0.34
IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015,1.56,0.19,2.85,0,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.50,0.40
IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.10,0
IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021,2.11,0,1.96,0.60,47.70,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
N_Grotta_Continenza_R2,0,0,3.98,0,54.75,0,0,0,11.90,0,29.37,0
N_Grotta_Continenza_R8,0,0,2.83,0,53.23,0,0,0,13.82,0.25,29.87,0
N_Grotta_Continenza_R9,0,0,3.27,0,50.85,0,0,0,13.25,0,32.63,0
 
Here is the samples I've done thus far, with the previous others included:

MA_Villa_Magna_R57,6.89,0,2.97,0.58,27.50,15.59,0,0,0.58,0,34.62,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R58,5.26,0,1.27,0,28.14,15.43,0,0,12.83,0,35.80,0.05
MA_Villa_Magna_R59,4.24,0,2.25,0.19,28.74,15.80,0.31,0,12.53,0.66,34.39,0.88
MA_Villa_Magna_R60,6.75,0.68,3.35,0,27.36,18.94,0,1.54,11.04,0,30.34,0
MA_Villa_Magna_R65,7.61,0,2.22,0.30,28.15,13.40,0,0,12.74,0,35.20,0.38
MA_Villa_Magna_R1290,6.30,0,1.09,0.34,30.16,15.96,0.27,0,12.04,0.09,32.81,0.93
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970,9.25,0,5.12,0.53,29.32,18.41,0,0,7.11,0,30.25,0.01
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973,8.17,0.16,2.94,0,28.76,15.28,0,0,10.56,0.15,33.57,0.40
MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969,6.45,0.25,0.99,0,30.40,17.81,0.65,1.10,11.67,0,30.67,0
MA_Cancelleria_R1283,4.58,0,1.73,0,34.27,18.15,0,0.08,11.02,0,29.41,0.75
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121,7.68,0,2.81,0,29.21,18.18,0,0.90,11.76,0,29.47,0
LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118,7.28,0.85,1.85,0,34.72,14.81,0,0,11.95,0,28.29,0.24
LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R30,7.67,0,4.49,0.47,27.43,8.56,0.25,1.38,11.74,0.86,37.00,0.24
LA_Mausole_di_Augusto_R32,5.90,0,7.07,0.12,29.06,12.90,1.05,1.03,7.57,0,35.31,0
LA_Crypta_Balbi_R107,3.12,0,2.59,0,30.01,16.90,1.72,0,13.16,0,32.50,0
LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110,4.57,1.19,2.38,0.76,41.91,24.74,0.07,0,4.24,0,18.96,0.17
LA_Celio_R36,7.23,0,3.17,0,32.85,20.10,0,0.35,9.77,0,26.50,0.02
LA_Celio_R35,5.62,0,4.55,0.11,28.56,13.42,1.72,0.59,12.58,0,32.74,0.11
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549,9.97,0,3.98,0.04,27.49,20.49,0,0.96,10.94,0.05,26.09,0
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548,10.45,0,1.98,0,23.44,10.87,0,0.17,13.89,0,39.20,0
Imperial_Monterotondo_R1551,14.46,0,0.14,0,10.32,4.49,0,0.80,14.76,0,54.71,0.33
Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836,8.69,0,0.99,0,30.95,15.55,0,0,10.40,0,33.42,0
Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R132,1.95,0,17.82,1.68,24.91,4.20,0,6.73,16.66,0.14,24.20,1.71
Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R134,8.38,0,5.00,0.32,22.37,7.35,0,1.16,15.45,0,39.61,0
Imperial_Marcellino_&_Pietro_R136,8.83,0.08,3.88,0,26.08,13.09,0.38,0,12.75,0,34.91,0
Imperial_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_R1543,8.61,0,6.43,0,21.01,9.18,0.27,0.24,15.01,0.04,39.07,0.15
Imperial_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_R1545,7.66,0,1.16,0.13,25.08,8.12,1.02,0.68,15.23,0,40.91,0.01
Imperial_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_R131,7.30,0.24,0.94,0.57,31.63,13.18,0.27,0,11.79,0,33.23,0.84
Imperial_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis_R37,2.14,1.00,2.70,0,50.70,31.46,0,0,4.24,0,7.65,0.12
Imperial_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis_R38,11.97,0.24,2.94,0,17.99,1.99,0.16,0.30,18.03,0,46.26,0.13
IA_Latin_Ardea_R850,7.30,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.10,0
IA_Latin_Ardea_R851,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
IA_Civitavecchia_R475,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.70,0.42
IA_Civitavecchia_R474,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
IA_Civitavecchia_R473,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0.21,20.17,0.34
IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015,1.56,0.19,2.85,0,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.50,0.40
IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.10,0
IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021,2.11,0,1.96,0.60,47.70,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
N_Grotta_Continenza_R2,0,0,3.98,0,54.75,0,0,0,11.90,0,29.37,0
N_Grotta_Continenza_R8,0,0,2.83,0,53.23,0,0,0,13.82,0.25,29.87,0
N_Grotta_Continenza_R9,0,0,3.27,0,50.85,0,0,0,13.25,0,32.63,0

my results with your data above

Distance to:torziok12b
4.65249395IA_Civitavecchia_R474
4.86300319IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
7.31461551N_Italian
8.04563857LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110
10.24966341O_Italian
10.73141650North_Italian
10.85074652LA_Celio_R36
12.22643039TSI30
13.78514055Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
13.80326773Tuscan
14.00105710IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
14.07171987IA_Civitavecchia_R473
14.17553174MA_Cancelleria_R1283
14.20135205IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
14.41937585IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
14.47632550IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
15.47923771MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
15.48482160IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
15.69879932LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
16.01512098C_Italian
16.10745480MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R969
16.22593911LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
16.27628950Romanians
16.46947479Baleares
16.47231010MA_Villa_Magna_R60



53.4
IA_Civitavecchia_R474 46.6
IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1

Target: torziok12b
 
Pontic Greeks usually end up more like the Armenians than the Turks.

I don't find G25 completely accurate, but that's the current situation.

Where there are so many populations the labels don't match perfectly own their clusters.


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Also Armenians sit with Kurds
Kurds history states.....they came from ancient Medes
Medes came for south of the Aral Sea and east of the caspian sea


And not with Persians, who originate circa 1100BC in Uzbekistan then migrated to modern Iran

This is the consensus
 
The Pontian Greeks cluster close to Hamshen Armenians and Georgian Laz (and of course the Trabzon_Turks with no C.Asian admix) not with the rest of the Turkish population. Overlapping Greeks and Turks can be from areas like Asian Minor, Istanbul, and Cappadocia.

PCA and distances using G25 population averages:

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Well, the western Black Sea coast could be the heavily Balkan admixed "Turks" of the far northwest, and central might make sense as well, but there's no way Southern Italians could be that related to Crimean Tatars with their heavy Turkic input.

Something weird is going on all of a sudden with these calculators since the Grugni/Raveane samples were added. Who prepared them for upload to calculators?
 
Well, the western Black Sea coast could be the heavily Balkan admixed "Turks" of the far northwest, and central might make sense as well, but there's no way Southern Italians could be that related to Crimean Tatars with their heavy Turkic input.

Something weird is going on all of a sudden with these calculators since the Grugni/Raveane samples were added. Who prepared them for upload to calculators?

Only a small part of the samples from Raveane 2019 have been uploaded into the G25, because not all Raveane 2019 samples have been released.

Of course these samples are chosen, prepared and uploaded by the creator of the G25, who is the only person who can do it. Therefore the accuracy of the averages and the results of the individual samples, both modern and ancient, depend exclusively on Davidski.
 

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