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Jovialis said:
Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe

Incomplete, but more to come...

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14317
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB8448

Code: 
I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE,0,3.41,0,0,16.30,78.32,0,1.77,0,0,0,0.20
I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE,0,3.40,0,0,15.78,80.48,0,0,0,0,0,0.34
I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE,0,4.06,0,0,18.94,75.51,0.21,0,0,0,0,1.28
I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE,0,3.12,0,0,14.53,80.68,0.86,0,0,0,0,0.81
I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE,0,1.70,0,0.67,15.64,80.65,0.78,0,0,0,0,0.57
I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE,10.45,11.74,0,0,0,76.26,1.55,0,0,0,0,0
I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE,12.20,9.22,0,0,0,72.54,4.77,0,0,0,0,1.27
I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE,0,2.82,0,0,19.21,75.14,1.17,1.11,0,0,0,0.55
I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE,0,3.12,0,0,10.91,84.89,0,0,0,0,0,1.08
I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE,0,0,3.87,0,45.99,0,0,0,11.46,0,38.68,0
I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE,0,0,0,3.21,48.60,0,0,0,13.41,0,34.78,0
I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE,0,0,0,0,49.91,5.50,0,1.94,13.22,0,29.44,0
I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE,0,0,6.23,0,53.62,0,0,0,13.30,0.48,25.34,1.03
I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE,0,0,5.23,0,48.47,1.59,0,0,10.90,0,33.70,0.13
I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE,0,0,4.33,0,56.82,0,0,0,13.62,0,25.23,0
I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE,0,0,2.58,0,51.16,2.25,0,0.17,10.03,0,33.81,0
I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE,0,0,5.23,0,48.47,1.59,0,0,10.90,0,33.70,0.13
I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE,0,0,0.37,0,53.18,2.82,0,0,16.16,0,27.47,0
I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE,0,0,4.59,0,53.71,0,0,0.56,11.48,0,29.65,0
I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE,0,0,3.13,0,55.97,0.39,0,0,12.09,0,28.42,0
I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE,0,0,2.97,0,59.37,0,0,0,8.69,0.39,28.09,0.49
I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE,0,0,2.60,0,45.47,0,0,0,14.99,0,36.19,0.75
I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE,0,0,0,0,49.98,0,0,0,10.18,0,39.85,0
I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE,0,0.97,4.25,0,72.87,1.91,0.14,0,12.75,0,7.12,0
I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE,0,0,4.49,0,70.57,0,0,0,7.25,0,17.70,0
I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE,0,0,3.81,0,84.67,0,0,0,11.52,0,0,0
I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE,0,0.20,5.33,0.54,71.06,0,0,0,7.66,0,15.01,0.20
I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE,0,0,1.11,0,59.94,13.60,0,0,11.03,0,14.32,0
I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE,0,0,3.08,0,60.02,9.60,0,0.80,12.13,0,14.37,0
I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE,0,0,1.10,0,70.89,7.72,0,0,0.73,0,19.56,0
I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE,0,0,3.89,0,62.68,10.75,0,0,5.76,0,16.92,0
I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE,0,0,0,0,69.15,13.70,0,0,9.75,0.81,6.59,0
I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE,0,0,5.20,0.90,64.84,11.09,0,0,8.30,1.41,8.26,0
I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE,0,0,8.13,0,66.86,4.35,3.31,0,6.74,0,10.61,0
I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE,0,0,5.75,0,67.99,11.11,0,0,4.29,0,10.86,0
I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE,28.39,2.27,0,0,1.33,59.88,3.17,0,0,0,4.07,0.90
I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE,31.17,1.18,0,0,3.08,55.89,2.47,0,0,0,6.21,0
I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia,24.30,6.53,0,0,0,59.51,0,0,0,0,9.15,0.51
I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE,26.41,3.99,0,0,3.20,64.51,1.24,0,0,0,0,0.65
I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE,23.53,4.79,0,0,0,60.56,1.18,0,0,0,9.61,0.33
I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE,24.47,0.31,0,0,14.14,52.37,0,0,0,0,8.71,0
I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE,31.70,0,0,1.34,0,56.80,10.17,0,0,0,0,0
I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE,27.75,2.45,0,0.34,5.62,59.40,0.45,0,0,0,2.90,1.09
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Wonderful, Jovialis! Thanks.

Too far back in time for great matches to LBK,and too much additional admixture, but I'll be interested to see what others get. I have to check my scores for the Italian Neolithic and compare to the scores for Spanish Neolithic. As expected, far from Yamnaya.

Distance to:Angela
19.21075480I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
21.87954296I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
21.87954296I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE
22.06102899I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
23.71827987I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
24.39876226I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE
24.40363088I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
24.49030420I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
24.56839840I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE
24.65377659I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE
25.24106971I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
25.54821716I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE
25.82573910I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE
25.93232153I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
26.09685038I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE
26.84412040I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE
27.31193878I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE
32.00002812I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
32.97353181I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
33.54804614I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
34.95177821I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
35.79120562I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
36.90360010I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
38.13416316I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE
42.30064657I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE
50.70726970I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
55.34847604I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE
62.80324036I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE
63.30784628I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE
63.82811293I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia
63.98136916I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
65.94229068I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE
66.16053204I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
66.62747481I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
68.29628614I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
68.68152590I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE
69.88098311I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
71.87354451I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.00814329I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.47830572I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
73.68035016I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE
76.49070270I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE
77.41672687I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE


I don't know why people think this doesn't work. It seems spot on to me.

This is with no distance column...About 70% early and middle Neolithic, which I get on most calculators.

Target: Angela
Distance: 1.2990% / 1.29897586

39.4I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
17.0I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
15.8I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
10.2I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
9.4I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
6.0I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
2.2I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
 
Angela said:
Wonderful, Jovialis! Thanks.

Too far back in time for great matches to LBK,and too much additional admixture, but I'll be interested to see what others get. I have to check my scores for the Italian Neolithic and compare to the scores for Spanish Neolithic. As expected, far from Yamnaya.

Distance to:Angela
19.21075480I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
21.87954296I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
21.87954296I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE
22.06102899I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
23.71827987I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
24.39876226I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE
24.40363088I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
24.49030420I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
24.56839840I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE
24.65377659I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE
25.24106971I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
25.54821716I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE
25.82573910I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE
25.93232153I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
26.09685038I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE
26.84412040I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE
27.31193878I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE
32.00002812I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
32.97353181I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
33.54804614I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
34.95177821I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
35.79120562I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
36.90360010I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
38.13416316I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE
42.30064657I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE
50.70726970I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
55.34847604I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE
62.80324036I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE
63.30784628I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE
63.82811293I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia
63.98136916I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
65.94229068I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE
66.16053204I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
66.62747481I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
68.29628614I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
68.68152590I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE
69.88098311I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
71.87354451I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.00814329I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.47830572I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
73.68035016I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE
76.49070270I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE
77.41672687I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE


I don't know why people think this doesn't work. It seems spot on to me.

This is with no distance column...About 70% early and middle Neolithic, which I get on most calculators.

Target: Angela
Distance: 1.2990% / 1.29897586
39.4I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
17.0I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
15.8I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
10.2I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
9.4I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
6.0I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
2.2I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
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Because of Stalinistic self-denial of reality.
 
Distance to:Torziok12b
29.71293153I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
30.12492656I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE
32.50575641I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE
33.04780174I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE
33.26346344I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
33.26346344I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE
33.60404142I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
33.62046401I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
35.19496271I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
35.27680825I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
35.41002400I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE
35.61102498I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE
35.85372784I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
36.22631640I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE
36.83965798I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE
36.89050013I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
37.55961262I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
38.06974915I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE
38.66230723I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
39.46392023I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
39.85599829I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
41.53188655I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
41.63014293I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
45.42696446I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
46.14802271I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE


I0022:
mtDNA: T2e


I0559:
mtDNA: HV6'17
Y-DNA: R*? ( old east germany )


I0560
mtDNA: T2e1
 
Jovialis: Great work as usual. Since you have been putting these samples together and have some neat research tools to post this information for us. I would be interested in (maybe others) in you running these Yamnaya samples vs the Roman ones and the other ancient samples you have put together. For example, what is the distance numbers between these Steppe peoples in vs the Roman and Greek samples, etc, that you put together.?

Thanks again for this work you have been doing.
 
Jovialis/Angela

Here are mine using the data provided by Jovialis in post #683, my closest distance is 22 from Germany which would be in the Neolithic period there,, the Yamnaya distances are far away, 52 to 81. I get way closer distances on the ancient Roman sample including 1 Iron age Roman of about 4 (R437). Thanks again for the work you are doing.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
22.00682394I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
22.56308046I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
22.87777306I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
22.87777306I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE
22.90681776I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
24.29680432I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE
24.81084239I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
26.48903169I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
26.73808707I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
27.81919841I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE
28.44335951I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
29.63099897I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE
31.01388882I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE
33.04138163I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE
34.86797241I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE
34.99976714I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE
36.72523247I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE
42.32382190I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
44.17518647I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
44.22110921I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
44.75861370I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
45.31569706I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
46.59723275I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE
46.69443543I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
50.67204160I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE
52.71458906I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
62.90453322I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE
63.75812340I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia
64.01424763I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
64.42982151I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE
64.47390868I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE
66.36236885I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE
68.46442434I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
70.06285535I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE
71.73862349I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.15636008I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
75.00762828I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
75.60814176I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE
76.96772116I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
77.08914839I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
77.38709905I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
78.64367680I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE
81.85715302I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE

Yamnaya distances given Blue color code makes hard to read.

52.71458906 I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
62.90453322 I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE
63.75812340 I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia
64.01424763 I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
64.42982151 I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE
64.47390868 I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE
66.36236885 I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE
68.46442434 I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
70.06285535 I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE
71.73862349 I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.15636008 I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
75.00762828 I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
75.60814176 I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE
76.96772116 I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
77.08914839 I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
77.38709905 I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
78.64367680 I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE
81.85715302 I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
 
Last edited:
Distance to:Carlos
22.36439358I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE
24.77915455I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE
25.06455066I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE
26.85847538I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE


Target: Carlos
Distance: 1.8147% / 1.81466532
40.8I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
12.6I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
11.8I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
9.4I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE
8.8I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
8.6I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
8.0I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Jovialis/Angela

Here are mine, my closest distance is 22 from Germany which would be in the Neolithic period there,, the Yamnaya distances are far away, 52 to 81. I get way closer distances on the ancient Roman sample including 1 Iron age Roman of about 4 (R437). Thanks again for the work you are doing.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
22.00682394I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
22.56308046I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
22.87777306I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
22.87777306I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE
22.90681776I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
24.29680432I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE
24.81084239I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
26.48903169I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
26.73808707I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
27.81919841I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE
28.44335951I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
29.63099897I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE
31.01388882I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE
33.04138163I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE
34.86797241I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE
34.99976714I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE
36.72523247I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE
42.32382190I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
44.17518647I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
44.22110921I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
44.75861370I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
45.31569706I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
46.59723275I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE
46.69443543I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
50.67204160I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE
52.71458906I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
62.90453322I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE
63.75812340I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia
64.01424763I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
64.42982151I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE
64.47390868I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE
66.36236885I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE
68.46442434I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
70.06285535I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE
71.73862349I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.15636008I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
75.00762828I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
75.60814176I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE
76.96772116I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
77.08914839I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
77.38709905I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
78.64367680I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE
81.85715302I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE

Yamnaya distances given Blue color code makes hard to read.

52.71458906 I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
62.90453322 I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE
63.75812340 I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia
64.01424763 I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
64.42982151 I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE
64.47390868 I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE
66.36236885 I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE
68.46442434 I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
70.06285535 I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE
71.73862349 I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.15636008 I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
75.00762828 I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
75.60814176 I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE
76.96772116 I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
77.08914839 I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
77.38709905 I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
78.64367680 I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE
81.85715302 I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
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interesting that your closest match is the oldest ydna T sample ever found

Karsdorf ( 7100yBP - Early Neolithic ) LBK Culture


I0795 ( 7076 ± 90 yBP )

Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
mtDNA: H1 or H1au1b*
Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal
Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -20.0 / 9.0 (highest Animal Protein)
Age at Death: 45-60
Death Position: Flexed Left northeast
Other ID: KAR6/Feature 170/Musm.no. 2006:14423a
Sample: Tooth / Rib


native to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstruttal

..................................................

found with another 2 x T ydna

one is

I0797 ( 7087 ± 725 yBP )
House/Phase: H / 2
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
mtDNA: H46b
Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal
Age at Death: 24-26

..........................................

and
Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )


House/Phase: O / 2
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
mtDNA: J1c6a
Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal
Age at Death: 25–30

all same Ydna but all different mtdna

I belong to the "northern " branch of T ...........T1a2 branch
 
Angela said:
Wonderful, Jovialis! Thanks.

Too far back in time for great matches to LBK,and too much additional admixture, but I'll be interested to see what others get. I have to check my scores for the Italian Neolithic and compare to the scores for Spanish Neolithic. As expected, far from Yamnaya.

Distance to:Angela
19.21075480I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
21.87954296I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
21.87954296I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE
22.06102899I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
23.71827987I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
24.39876226I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE
24.40363088I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
24.49030420I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
24.56839840I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE
24.65377659I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE
25.24106971I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
25.54821716I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE
25.82573910I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE
25.93232153I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
26.09685038I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE
26.84412040I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE
27.31193878I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE
32.00002812I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
32.97353181I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
33.54804614I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
34.95177821I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
35.79120562I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
36.90360010I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
38.13416316I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE
42.30064657I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE
50.70726970I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
55.34847604I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE
62.80324036I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE
63.30784628I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE
63.82811293I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia
63.98136916I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
65.94229068I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE
66.16053204I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
66.62747481I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
68.29628614I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
68.68152590I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE
69.88098311I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
71.87354451I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.00814329I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
72.47830572I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
73.68035016I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE
76.49070270I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE
77.41672687I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE


I don't know why people think this doesn't work. It seems spot on to me.

This is with no distance column...About 70% early and middle Neolithic, which I get on most calculators.

Target: Angela
Distance: 1.2990% / 1.29897586
39.4I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
17.0I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
15.8I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
10.2I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
9.4I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
6.0I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
2.2I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
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For comparison, I ran the Neolithic and Chalcolithic Italian samples.

Distance to:Angela
21.16253057R17_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
24.26377959R9_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza
24.38050861R3_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza
24.41126789R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
25.01209308R8_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza
25.05247692R10_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza
25.10723601R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
25.22467839R2_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza
25.27870052R16_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
26.22363819R4_Chalcolithic_Grotta_Continenza
28.46581283R1014_Chalcolithic_Monte_San_Biagio
29.06471744R5_Chalcolithic_Grotta_Continenza
32.81936471R6_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza

One LBK sample comes in closest, at 19.21, followed by an Italian Neolithic sample at 21.16.

So, about 9% Motala HG, plus whatever European HG is in the farmer samples, plus 18.4% Yamnaya, so, say 28%. The rest is European farmer.

It's what I would expect going from the academic papers for someone from my area.
 
Distance to:Jovialis
25.90542607I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
26.19275854I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
26.47268026I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
26.47268026I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE
26.58436006I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
28.03300555I0048_HAL25_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
28.12846601I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE
29.66302244I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
30.38912964I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
31.32973508I0057_HAL34_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5207-5067_calBCE
32.12091530I0025_LBK1992_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
33.02073288I0100_HAL4_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5032-4946_calBCE
34.52495909I0046_HAL5_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5004_calBCE
35.98366018I0659_HAL2_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5079-4997_calBCE
36.56659131I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE
37.23545891I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE
38.32434735I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE
44.01287766I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
45.63977213I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
46.16057625I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE
46.31689756I0407_Mina6_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
47.78657029I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE
48.15437052I0405_Mina3_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE
48.37325087I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
49.07445364I0413_Troc7_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5177-5068_calBCE
53.17808289I0409_Troc1_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5311-5218_calBCE
58.66088475I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE
59.47753189I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia
59.70716372I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
60.29528174I0443_SVP57_Yamnaya_Lopatino_II_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3500-2700_BCE
62.16850087I0231_SVP3_Yamnaya_Ekaterinovka_Southern_Steppe_Samara_Russia_2910-2875_calBCE
64.49761624I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
65.94683465I0429_SVP38_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3339-2917_calBCE
66.71639229I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE
68.13949809I0016_Molta9_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
68.54892997I0013_Molta3_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
71.35773259I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
71.69258679I0124_SVP44_Samara_HG_Lebyanzhinka_IV_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_5650-5555_calBCE
73.28827464I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
73.40999046I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
73.69718584I0014_Molta4_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
74.74238690I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_Karelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE
78.11783663I0017_Molta12_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
 
Target: Jovialis
Distance: 25.6659% / 25.66586212 | ADC: 2x

84.0I0022_LBK1976_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
16.0I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE

Target: Jovialis
Distance: 12.1159% / 12.11588250 | ADC: 1x

78.6I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
21.4I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE

Target: Jovialis
Distance: 7.1078% / 7.10779084 | ADC: 0.5x

36.4I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
33.2I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
25.6I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
3.8I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
1.0I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia

Target: Jovialis
Distance: 4.4907% / 4.49073682 | ADC: 0.25x

54.8I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
23.2I0438_SVP50_Yamnaya_Luzkhi_I_Samara_River_Samara_Russia_3021-2635_calBCE
15.6I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
6.4I0357_SVP5_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3090-2910_calBCE
 
Torzio: Wow I did not know that I0795 is the oldest neolithic sample found to date, and in Germany, hmm.. Really good to know. I wonder if the Neolithic EEF being more dominate in Central Europe vs further North towards Denmark and Scandanavia where more I guess Hunter gather (WHG, EHG, etc) were still dominate impacted the the Steppe migrants on the route further South who crossed into Italy I guess around modern Veneto. Given all of these hits those of us of Italian ancestry from all over Italy are getting with the Roman samples, it suggest to me, not making this as a dogmatic statement, that the migrants who brought in Latin into Italy also had some significant neolithic European ancestry (EEF) and thus did not substantially change the DNA present in Italy before those steppe migrants arrived.

Am I off base with my hypothesis?
 
I am a y T
and I0795 (oldest y T ???) is my 1st neolithic match too!

tG2gfM9.jpg
 
Salento: i miei complimenti per una partita I0795. As an additional note, I ran the sample Jovialis provided in post 683 and combined it with the earlier sample he, along with Duarte and Maciamo put together. I get closer matches with this I0795 than many other neolithic samples. Only I0679_Krepost_Neolithic is 17.87, I0706_Balkans_Neolithic at 20.69, I3709_Peloponnese_Neolithic at 20.95, I3708_Peloponnese_Neolithic at 21.1, I3498_Balkans_Neolithic at 21.56, I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros at 21.61 have shorter distances than I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany.
 
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Thanks PalermoT...
(non è una competizione :)

I said that because Torzio and I have the same Haplogroup.
 
I agree, just trying to add some humor to it, maybe not my best attempt, never been much of a comedian I guess!. When Torzio mentioned to me in post #690 that it is the oldest T Haplogroup sample that the academics have analyzed to date, I honestly had no clue that was the case. I was just shocked I was that close to I0795 relative to other samples that Jovialis has put together, etc.
 
Duarte's first four x Carlos' first four.

Distance to:Carlos
22.36439358I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3645-3537_calBCE
24.77915455I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE
25.06455066I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3640-3510_calBCE
26.85847538I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE

l4DnUiY.png
 
^^
My God we descend from the kings of Quedinburg lX
 
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