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Otzi (I think 99.9%) :) GedMatch # T882519 - EU K13 modern

#1 Sardegna

Distance to:Otzi_EU_K13
13.50960399Sardinia

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25.98374107Apulia


Otzi_EU_K13,16.85,0,39.58,0,25.76,3.26,0,6.28,1.63,0,2.19,4.43,0
 
The EU K13 Otzi featured on Vahaduo is:

#1 Sardegna

... must be from a different file / Kit,
... and I don’t know if it’s better or worse quality of # T882519
... but they both start with:

Sardinia
Sardinian
FrenchCorsica

jncRO03.jpg


Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp,24.42,0.00,46.42,0.00,24.87,2.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,1.53,0.00
 
Salento said:
The EU K13 Otzi featured on Vahaduo is:

#1 Sardegna

... must be from a different file / Kit,
... and I don’t know if it’s better or worse quality of # T882519
... but they both start with:

Sardinia
Sardinian
FrenchCorsica

jncRO03.jpg


Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp,24.42,0.00,46.42,0.00,24.87,2.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,1.53,0.00
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maybe lukasz know :unsure:
because the values of the eurogenes k13 otzi kit in vahaduo
looks more logic
not scoring east asian and siberian .......:unsure:
 
Distance to:New_Englander
3.95953280R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.29397252R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.79885403CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
4.98184705R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
5.26657384R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.28824167Szolad37
5.97147385Szolad36
6.52223121R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
6.64915032R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
6.67253325R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.71292783R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.12226790scy192_Scythian
7.14725122Szolad31
7.42528114R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.54028514scy300_Scythian
7.87182317R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
7.98444112R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.04194628R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.17937650R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.19025641R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
8.29413045R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.44258847Collegno121
8.50715581scy305_Scythian
8.68067970R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.74982286R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


Target: New_Englander
Distance: 0.0596% / 0.05962805
3.4 Collegno25
3.4 R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
3.2 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
3.0 R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
2.8 France_IA_ERS88
2.4 R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
2.2 I1700_AG88_1_Early_MPPNB
2.2 MX310_Switzerland_LN
2.0 France_BA_RIX2
2.0 I1631_AR1/43c_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
1.8 I1154_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Levant
1.8 I1170_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Levant
1.8 I12029_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
1.8 R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
1.8 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
1.6 ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age
1.4 I0441_SVP54_Yamnaya_Kurmanaevka_III_Buzuluk_Samara_Russia_3010-2622_calBCE
1.4 I0550_KAR22A_Karsdorf_LN_Karsdorf_Germany_2564-2475_calBCE
1.4 MX279_Switzerland_LN
1.4 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
1.4 Szolad12
1.2 ASH008_Iron_Age2
1.2 France_IA_COL153A
1.2 R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
1.0 ASH066_Iron_Age1
1.0 ASH067_Iron_Age1
1.0 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
1.0 I0821_HAL24_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5034-4942_calBCE
1.0 I1665_SG19_Seh_Gabi_Iran¬_ChL
1.0 I1674_SG21_Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
1.0 I1955_GD1150_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485
1.0 I2318_Peloponnese_Neolithic
1.0 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
1.0 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
1.0 R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
1.0 R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
1.0 R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS
1.0 R76_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
1.0 RISE109_Wojkowice_Poland_3544_years
1.0 RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years
1.0 RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years
1.0 RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years
1.0 RISE431_Leki_Male_Poland_3762_years
1.0 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary
1.0 RISE568¬_Brandysek_Czech_Republic
0.8 I1160_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Levant
0.8 I3151_Trypillia
0.8 I6492_NE_Iberia_RomP
0.8 I8211_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1
0.8 RISE546_Temrta_IV_Russia_~2000_years
0.8 TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561
0.6 ASH2-3_Iron_Age1
0.6 France_BA_RIX15
0.6 I1171_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Levant
0.6 I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
0.6 I1658_TA3/R8_Early_Bronze_Age_Aragatsotn_Armenia
0.6 I1661_SG16_Seh_Gabi_Iran_Late_Neolithic
0.6 I3712_Ukraine_Neolithic
0.6 I3778_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
0.6 I5402_Iron_Gates_HG
0.6 I5405_Lepenski_Vir
0.6 I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical
0.6 R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
0.6 R1551_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
0.6 Szolad19
0.4 ANI163_Varna_Outlier
0.4 Collegno63
0.4 France_IA_Jeb8
0.4 I0060_ROT3_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany_2294-2206_calBCE
0.4 I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
0.4 I1945_GD16_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic
0.4 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
0.4 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
0.4 KO1_Hungary_5710BC
0.4 R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
0.4 RISE00_Sope_Estonia_~2000_years
0.4 RISE435_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4094_years
0.4 RISE47_Sebber_skole_Denmark_3153_years
0.4 RISE555_Stalingard_Quarry_Russia_4082_years
0.4 RISE567_Knezeves_Czech_Republic
0.4 RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
0.4 Szolad13
0.2 Aesch11_Switzerland_LN
0.2 ANI153_Varna
0.2 ANI159_ANI181_Varna
0.2 ANI160_Varna_Outlier
0.2 ASH029_Late_Bronze_Age
0.2 BR2_Hungary_1180BC
0.2 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
0.2 Bul4_Yamnaya_Bulgaria
0.2 I0056_HAL14_LBK_EN_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_5206-5052_calBCE
0.2 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
0.2 I0171_BZH12_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_Benzingerode-Heimburg_Germany_2204-2136_calBCE
0.2 I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Russia_3305-2925_calBCE
0.2 I1168_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Levant
0.2 I1172_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Levant
0.2 I1179_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Levant
0.2 I1181_Peqi’in_Cave_Upper_Galilee_Chalcolithic_Levant
0.2 I1701¬_AG83_3_Early_MPPNB
0.2 I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
0.2 I2216_Malak_Preslavets
0.2 I2427_Balkans_Chalcolithic
0.2 I2430_Balkans_Chalcolithic
0.2 I2510_Balkans_BronzeAge
0.2 I2532_Balkans_Neolithic
0.2 I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna
0.2 I5068_LBK_Austria
0.2 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
0.2 I7672_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
0.2 I7676_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
0.2 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
0.2 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
0.2 MX265_Switzerland_LN
0.2 NE1_Hungary_5230BC
0.2 NE7_Hungary_4420BC
0.2 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
0.2 R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
0.2 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
0.2 R17_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
0.2 R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
0.2 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
0.2 R38_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
0.2 R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
0.2 R9_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza
0.2 RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years
0.2 RISE154_Szczepankowice_Poland_3522_years
0.2 RISE175_Abekas_I_Sweden_3025_years
0.2 RISE276_Trundholm_mose_II_2525_years
0.2 RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
0.2 RISE446_Bergrheinfeld_Germany_4015_years
0.2 RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years
0.2 RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary
0.2 RISE484_Erd_4_Hungary
0.2 RISE563_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany
0.2 RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
0.2 RISE94_Viby_Sweden_4025_years
0.2 SX29_Switzerland_LN
0.2 Szolad27
 
@New Englander

assuming was dod k12, ... interesting, (y)

you’re closer to the Apulia-Abruzzo Crusader than me :)

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Salento said:
The EU K13 Otzi featured on Vahaduo is:

#1 Sardegna

... must be from a different file / Kit,
... and I don’t know if it’s better or worse quality of # T882519
... but they both start with:

Sardinia
Sardinian
FrenchCorsica

jncRO03.jpg


Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp,24.42,0.00,46.42,0.00,24.87,2.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,1.53,0.00
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kingjohn said:
maybe lukasz know :unsure:
because the values of the eurogenes k13 otzi kit in vahaduo
looks more logic
not scoring east asian and siberian .......:unsure:
Click to expand...

@Salento and @Kingjohn

“The Iceman’s ancestry most closely mirrors that of modern-day Sardinians,” said Underhill, who, with Bustamante, came to the conclusion by analyzing the mummy’s Y chromosome. “His lineage is very rare in mainland Europe — only 1 percent or less share the same sequence — but is rather frequent in northern Sardinia and southern Corsica.”
Sardinia is the second-largest island in the Mediterranean Sea. It lies 120 miles west of Italy’s mainland and 7.5 miles south of the French island of Corsica.
“When we found the Iceman was most closely related with modern Sardinians, it was at first hard to believe,” said Bustamante. “It’s a real mystery. Did he or his ancestors travel to the Alps from Sardinia, or did the Europe of 5,000 years ago more closely resemble Sardinia and Corsica? It’s a fascinating question in part because it addresses how rapidly people spread across Europe, and how far they rambled.”

Source: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-n...ancestry-from-alps-to-mediterranean-isle.html

Out of curiosity, another paper to read about Ötzi, the iceman:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/24667-iceman-mummy-otzi-closest-relatives.html
 
I used the GEDmatch k12b results input into the Dec_Anciant_k12b, was the only difference the spreadsheet populations or is it a completely different calculator? Iv tried those indy downloadable calcs, but I cant figure out how to use them and am afraid of computer viruses.


After the validity of that calculator I used was questioned I went back and did it again to make sure. My distances were all exactly the same but my single changed. Very strange.

New_Englander,7.69,0,1.60,0,27.50,21.49,1.28,0.10,10.87,0,29.34,0.08
 
Salento said:
You can try the FREE one to one comparison with Otzi the Iceman at GedMatch, Kit # T882519

just put a 1 in the input box where it says “... value = 7”

(It only works if you share a certain amount of segments with a sample)

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LBK Stuttgart_SG Kit # F999916

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I get with Otzi

Largest segment = 6.2 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 25.4 cM (0.710 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

148539 SNPs used for this comparison.

42.451 Pct SNPs are full identical


 
torzio said:
I get with Otzi

Largest segment = 6.2 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 25.4 cM (0.710 Pct)

6 shared segments found for this comparison.

148539 SNPs used for this comparison.

42.451 Pct SNPs are full identical


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Torzio: 9 Segments, pretty good, I got 7.5 with Otzi. The calculators for Otzi are, in my view, regardless of the distances, are showing that Otzi is closest to modern Sardians, which as Duarte noted in post #969, is what the Research papers on Otzi document. So it does appear the calculators are documenting Otzi's closest modern relatives are Sardinians.
 
Salento said:
Otzi Dodecad K12 Ancient results:

IpTirsl.jpg
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I don't know if you remember when the Otzi genome first came out we discussed here how the first analyses and PCAs showed that after Sardinia, he was closest to Sicily.

I remember speculating too that given the copper ax he carried his might have been a line coming from the Balkans in the Chalcolithic, and here we go, the Bronze Age Chalcolithic shows up.

The usual suspects attacked the whole idea mercilessly. Of course.:)

Great work on this, btw.

Here is mine to the decent kit using gedmatch.
[FONT=&quot]Largest segment = 5.6 cM[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 61.9 cM (1.729 Pct)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]16 shared segments found for this comparison.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]241549 SNPs used for this comparison.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]42.792 Pct SNPs are full identical


[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]I came late to the discussion about the different kits, so this may have been answered already. Do we know which calculator uses the optimal sample? Is it K13, Dodecad K12b or Punt?

As to K13:

From Punt:
Distance to: Angela 21.38129790Iceman_MN_SG

From Eurogenes:
Distance to:Angela 27.30328369Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp

From K12b:

I don't know. :)

Where did you guys get the K12 coordinates for him?

I scoured the ancient list on Dodecad K12b Ancient, and couldn't find him.
 
torzio said:
I always get .................and it is strange

54.6Ust_Ishim_DG
16.0Hungary_HG_I1507
14.6Scythian_IA_I0247
9.4Karelia_HG_I0061
5.4Hungary_CA_I1497

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K-M9#Structure

Ust_Ishim is part of K2a ...............I am part of K1b ................both have K-M9 in there markers ( I am confirmed with a snp of K-M9 )
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I meant to mention it before when I saw your results. There's something wrong. There's no way you're closest to a Central Asian.

Maybe you should check the coordinates you used.
 
Regio X said:
PuntDNAL K12 Ancient


Distance to:RegioX(FTDNA)
15.63401740Alberstedt_LN_I0118
16.72371071Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
17.69922315BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
17.93216384Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
18.13373927Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
18.55134766Unetice_EBA_I0117
21.32703683Srubnaya_I0430
21.66616025BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
21.80579052Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
22.85153168Potapovka_I0419
25.01924259Vatya_SG_RISE479
25.44921413Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
25.99100806Hungary_BA_I1502
26.16013188Srubnaya_I0232
26.22103163Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
26.35417424Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
27.18607180Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
27.47221323Andronovo_SG_RISE505
28.14680266Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
29.12683471Iceman_MN_SG
29.16474756Hungary_CA_I1497
29.56404066Armenian_MBA
30.87219623Hungary_EN_I0495
31.63799140Scythian_IA_I0247
32.73640939Iberia_EN_I0412



Distance to:RegioX(23andMe)
15.02042609Alberstedt_LN_I0118
16.32278163Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
17.58474339Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
17.99592176Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
18.01091891Unetice_EBA_I0117
18.80699870BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
21.14174070BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
21.27517803Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
22.24641994Srubnaya_I0430
23.01701979Vatya_SG_RISE479
23.09509039Potapovka_I0419
23.92683013Hungary_BA_I1502
25.59263957Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
26.85280618Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
26.85299238Srubnaya_I0232
26.91028056Hungary_CA_I1497
27.04927356Iceman_MN_SG
27.36079677Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
28.12566799Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
28.38138827Andronovo_SG_RISE505
28.81463517Hungary_EN_I0495
28.83007457Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
30.42044050Epserstedt_MN_I0172
30.75098698Iberia_EN_I0412
30.76529213Baalberge_MN_I0560



Distance to:Father(23andMe)
12.90901236Alberstedt_LN_I0118
14.54484789Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
15.49008070Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
15.91925250Unetice_EBA_I0117
17.08544995Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
18.84443154BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
19.17426922BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
19.28399855Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
19.88448139Vatya_SG_RISE479
20.71382630Hungary_BA_I1502
21.79409553Potapovka_I0419
21.81748381Srubnaya_I0430
24.15538449Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
25.86991689Hungary_CA_I1497
26.04808246Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
26.09027788Srubnaya_I0232
26.33861424Iceman_MN_SG
27.00301094Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
27.62630268Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
27.85054039Andronovo_SG_RISE505
28.01664862Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
28.16083450Hungary_EN_I0495
28.73991301Epserstedt_MN_I0172
28.88048822Baalberge_MN_I0560
29.42605308Iberia_M_I0406



Distance to:Mother(23andMe)
13.57170586Alberstedt_LN_I0118
14.85635218Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
16.23857137Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
16.63103124Unetice_EBA_I0117
16.92605093Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
19.35590866BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
19.61354634BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
19.68276403Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
19.83106654Vatya_SG_RISE479
20.76369909Hungary_BA_I1502
22.34437737Potapovka_I0419
22.40426745Srubnaya_I0430
24.52327874Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
25.45134967Hungary_CA_I1497
26.21852780Iceman_MN_SG
26.37178796Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
26.50719148Srubnaya_I0232
27.48110624Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
27.79300631Hungary_EN_I0495
28.09147914Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
28.25617101Andronovo_SG_RISE505
28.39843658Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
28.42096409Baalberge_MN_I0560
28.74180231Epserstedt_MN_I0172
29.19368425Iberia_M_I0406
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Forgot to post the Single.

(Wow! I get 25.83 of CHG in this calculator, using FTDNA data!)

Target: RegioX(FTDNA)
Distance: 0.1733% / 0.17329166

22.0LBK_EN_I0054
15.4Satsurblia_SATP
13.0Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
10.4BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
9.2Starcevo_MN_I0174
5.2Stuttgart_SG
4.4Motala12
4.2Epserstedt_MN_I0172
4.2Iberia_M_I0406
2.6BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
2.4Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
2.4Vatya_SG_RISE479
2.0LaBrana
0.8Samara_HG_I0124
0.6Loschbour_SG
0.4Armenian_MBA
0.2AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
0.2Hungary_HG_I1507
0.2Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
0.2Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
Target: RegioX(23andMe)
Distance: 0.2379% / 0.23794957
25.0LBK_EN_I0054
19.6Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
13.0BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
12.0Satsurblia_SATP
7.6Stuttgart_SG
6.4Baalberge_MN_I0560
6.2Epserstedt_MN_I0172
3.4LaBrana
2.0Motala12
1.8Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
1.0Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
0.6AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
0.6Samara_HG_I0124
0.6Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
0.2Hungary_HG_I1507
Target: Father(23andMe)
Distance: 0.1816% / 0.18163150
21.0Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
13.8LBK_EN_I0054
12.4Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
9.4Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
6.6Starcevo_MN_I0174
6.2Satsurblia_SATP
5.8Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
5.2Epserstedt_MN_I0172
4.0Stuttgart_SG
3.2AnatolianNeolithic_I0745
2.6BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
2.2Armenian_MBA
2.0LaBrana
2.0Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
1.6Motala12
1.2Kotias_Kide_KK
0.4Hungary_HG_I1507
0.4Samara_HG_I0124
Target: Mother(23andMe)
Distance: 0.3589% / 0.35891503
25.8LBK_EN_I0054
16.2Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
12.4Stuttgart_SG
11.4Satsurblia_SATP
10.0Baalberge_MN_I0560
6.8BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
5.2LaBrana
3.6Motala12
2.8Epserstedt_MN_I0172
1.4Hungary_HG_I1507
1.2Iceman_MN_SG
1.2Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
1.0Karelia_HG_I0061
0.8Samara_HG_I0124
0.2Armenian_MBA
 
Angela said:
I don't know if you remember when the Otzi genome first came out we discussed here how the first analyses and PCAs showed that after Sardinia, he was closest to Sicily.

I remember speculating too that given the copper ax he carried his might have been a line coming from the Balkans in the Chalcolithic, and here we go, the Bronze Age Chalcolithic shows up.

The usual suspects attacked the whole idea mercilessly. Of course.:)

Great work on this, btw.

Here is mine to the decent kit using gedmatch.
Largest segment = 5.6 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 61.9 cM (1.729 Pct)

16 shared segments found for this comparison.

241549 SNPs used for this comparison.

42.792 Pct SNPs are full identical



I came late to the discussion about the different kits, so this may have been answered already. Do we know which calculator uses the optimal sample? Is it K13, Dodecad K12b or Punt?

As to K13:

From Punt:
Distance to: Angela 21.38129790Iceman_MN_SG

From Eurogenes:
Distance to:Angela 27.30328369Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp

From K12b:

I don't know. :)

Where did you guys get the K12 coordinates for him?

I scoured the ancient list on Dodecad K12b Ancient, and couldn't find him.
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Hi Angela,

I got the Dodecad K12 coordinates from GedMatch:
Kit: T882519 (Iceman_2)

... about the optimal calculator, I’m not sure :)
 
Angela said:
I meant to mention it before when I saw your results. There's something wrong. There's no way you're closest to a Central Asian.

Maybe you should check the coordinates you used.
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i am unsure....anymore

my father gets
52.6Ust_Ishim_DG.............23.4Hungary_HG_I1507.............14.4Scythian_IA_I0247...................9.6BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059

my 2nd cousin from Belluno ( paternal side )
56.4Ust_Ishim_DG
23.2Hungary_HG_I1507
13.2Scythian_IA_I0247
7.2BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059


Only ftdna gives me Anatolian at 8% ............I never get middle-east from any company............other companies give me north-caucasus ( balkar people ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars

or central-Asian ( Kazaks ) ........another program states I am linked with these






6% of T ....comes from ...all from..... The Altaians (also Altayans) are a Turkic people living in the Siberian Altai Republic and Altai Krai, Russia.

But Origins of my T haplogroup marker are from roughly border of modern Austria and Czech ..............and I never get slavic anywhere, always Italian and German


my female first cousin from Cles Val di Non gets

58.6Ust_Ishim_DG
19.8Hungary_HG_I1507
11.6BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
10.0Scythian_IA_I0247
 
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Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, specially @Salento.
It's me who wins (yesss, Otzi is my cousin:unsure:), at least in the largest segment (forget the total HIR segments, of course, lol, lol:LOL::LOL:).
Happy Mothers Day, everybody. :):heart:

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Salento said:
Hi Angela,

I got the Dodecad K12 coordinates from GedMatch:
Kit: T882519 (Iceman_2)

... about the optimal calculator, I’m not sure :)
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Sorry. I wasn't clear. I'm looking for the Dodecad K12b coordinates for Otzi. I don't see it on the published list on vahaduo.

I'll keep looking to see if it's on Jovialis' or Duarte's lists in my files.
 
@Duarte
OK, ... but hold your horses :)

I raise you a Larg. Seg. 8.12 cM Q-Matching with Otzi :grin:

and I Double Down a Neanderthal with a Tot. 2.35 cM / 1.21 cM Larg. Seg. Q-Matching.
(that Neanderthal Kit is not longer available, too bad)

... from previous Posts:

Salento said:
Ötzi vs Salento 👍

Comparing Kit T882519 (Iceman_2)

Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 1.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cm's
All SNPs used.

ChrB37 Start Pos'nB37 End Pos'nSNPsCentimorgans (cM)Q
1144,872,87757,111,6931952.080.0

ChrB37 Start Pos'nB37 End Pos'nSNPsCentimorgans (cM)Q
1296,382,644103,800,2904008.121.0

Total cM: 10.20
Largest segment cM: 8.12
Total segments: 2

arnCA9r.jpg

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Salento said:
Q-Match 1 to 1 - Salento vs Neanderthal :unsure: yep, lol


Total cM: 2.35
Largest segment cM: 1.21
Total segments: 2


s2T3r2z.jpg
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torzio said:
i am unsure....anymore

my father gets
52.6Ust_Ishim_DG.............23.4Hungary_HG_I1507.............14.4Scythian_IA_I0247...................9.6BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059

my 2nd cousin from Belluno ( paternal side )
56.4Ust_Ishim_DG
23.2Hungary_HG_I1507
13.2Scythian_IA_I0247
7.2BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
19.8Hungary_HG_I1507
11.6BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
10.0Scythian_IA_I0247
58.6Ust_Ishim_DG


Only ftdna gives me Anatolian at 8% ............I never get middle-east from any company............other companies give me north-caucasus ( balkar people ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars

or central-Asian ( Kazaks ) ........another program states I am linked with these






6% of T ....comes from ...all from..... The Altaians (also Altayans) are a Turkic people living in the Siberian Altai Republic and Altai Krai, Russia.

But Origins of my T haplogroup marker are from roughly border of modern Austria and Czech ..............and I never get slavic anywhere, always Italian and German


my female first cousin from Cles Val di Non gets

58.6Ust_Ishim_DG
19.8Hungary_HG_I1507
11.6BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
10.0Scythian_IA_I0247
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This is what you posted as your results for the Punt K12 modern. It's not possible for a Northern Italian.

Distance to:Torziok12b33.71776386Selkup37.69811136Chuvash39.32502511Altaian42.91756750Dolgan44.60053363Tuvinian45.78381373Turkmen47.31868130Hazara48.24476759Uzbek48.78603899Mordovian49.08561500Russian50.76571284Finnish51.51026694Yakut53.77255434Nogai55.27628425Czech55.36413641Belarusian55.56309567Hungarian55.58468854Romanian55.61948939Croatian55.72950386Scottish_West55.82031530Icelandic55.90301960German_North56.11548449Estonian56.18841162Irish56.26488781English_South56.28736626Dutch_North

Check that you didn't put the Punt K12 coordinates in the Dodecad K12 ancient and modern calculator or vice versa. From gedmatch you have to get the PUNT K12 coordinates and put them into the new Punt K12 ancient calculator at Vahaduo or the PUNT K12 modern.
 
Angela said:
Sorry. I wasn't clear. I'm looking for the Dodecad K12b coordinates for Otzi. I don't see it on the published list on vahaduo.
I'll keep looking to see if it's on Jovialis' or Duarte's lists in my files.
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@Angela:

Try these coordinates on Vahaduo K12b Ancient:

GEDmatch Dodecad K12b kit T882519(Iceman_2)
Otzi,0.00,0.00,5.85,0.33,48.10,4.42,0.20,4.25,9.75,2.39,22.61,2.11

Cheers :)
 
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