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It seems K13 worked better than K15 for us.
Eurogenes K13 updated spreadsheet


Regio X (FTDNA),35.64,14.28,22.14,9.81,16.50,1.32,0,0,0,0.31,0,0,0

Distance to:RegioX(FTDNA)
4.88753517Veneto
5.75650936Piedmont
5.89065361Friuli-VG
6.01373428Trentino
6.14356574Swiss-Italian
6.22361631AostaValley
7.66760719Swiss_Italian
7.91935603Lombardy
8.04279802Liguria
8.64694166Emilia
9.23523145Swiss_French
9.87522658Portuguese
10.07731611Tuscany
10.46031548Spanish_Cataluna
10.59506961Spanish_Extremadura
11.29241338Spanish_Galicia
11.34784120Spanish_Murcia
11.43815982French
11.65185393Spanish_Valencia
11.75326338Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
11.90779996Spanish_Andalucia
12.37994346Swiss_German
12.85538798Romagna
12.89509209Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
12.97232824Tuscan



Regio X (23andMe),35.79,13.90,22.51,10.25,15.79,1.38,0.21,0,0,0.17,0,0,0

Distance to:RegioX(23andMe)
5.47916052Veneto
5.96602045AostaValley
6.18221643Piedmont
6.58668354Swiss-Italian
6.65508828Trentino
6.69911935Friuli-VG
8.28356204Swiss_Italian
8.32122587Lombardy
8.46681758Liguria
9.05518636Emilia
9.28078122Swiss_French
9.77986196Portuguese
10.25382855Spanish_Cataluna
10.33404567Spanish_Extremadura
10.45176062Tuscany
11.06583029Spanish_Galicia
11.20403945Spanish_Murcia
11.36180003French
11.51952690Spanish_Valencia
11.55589460Spanish_Andalucia
11.56891525Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.50862103Swiss_German
12.54294224Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.28441192Romagna
13.38760994Tuscan



Father (23andMe),30.70,16.33,23.32,9.79,16.68,0.73,2.18,0,0,0,0.26,0,0

Distance to:Father(23andMe)
4.14387500Veneto
5.44103850Friuli-VG
5.90366835Trentino
6.04591598Piedmont
7.27156792Liguria
7.32746204Emilia
7.77803960Lombardy
8.18447310Tuscany
8.19824981Swiss-Italian
9.65127453Swiss_Italian
10.16101865AostaValley
10.82294698North_Macedonian
10.86650358Bulgarian_Central
10.88009651Romagna
11.00969416Kosovo_Albanian
11.10028828Swiss_French
11.31752181Vlach_North-Macedonia
11.41458278Bulgarian_Plovdiv
11.51778625Tuscan
11.54571782Greek_Central-Macedonia
11.56396126Bulgarian_Southwest
11.80932259Macedonian_Northwest
11.83933275Macedonian_East
12.03518591Umbria
12.05106634Bulgarian_Serres



Mother (23andMe),34.67,16.28,23.32,8.61,14.65,1.53,0,0,0.58,0.37,0,0,0

Distance to:Mother(23andMe)
4.40568950Trentino
4.80165596Veneto
5.35870320Swiss-Italian
5.38909083Piedmont
5.52411984AostaValley
5.77187145Friuli-VG
7.40777294Swiss_Italian
7.52204759Swiss_French
8.26922608Lombardy
9.01763273Liguria
9.47065996Portuguese
9.59438899Emilia
10.15953247Spanish_Cataluna
10.30036407Spanish_Galicia
10.44933491Spanish_Extremadura
10.67349989French
10.94197423Tuscany
11.08835876Swiss_German
11.36961301Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
11.51716111Spanish_Murcia
11.54709487Spanish_Valencia
11.99497395Spanish_Andalucia
12.64945453Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.35860771Spanish_Cantabria
14.00106425Bulgarian_Southwest
 
Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet

Regio X (FTDNA),6.85,0,0.83,0,37.94,27.68,0,0,5.67,0,21.03,0

Distance to:RegioX(FTDNA)
2.39088689Italy_Piedmont
2.63399647Italy_Veneto
3.16993060Italy_Trentino
3.67232386Swiss_Italian
4.03821446Italy_FriuliVG
4.15184026Italy_Lombardy
5.72630462Italy_Aosta_Valley
5.90672076Italy_Liguria
6.18443134Italy_Emilia
7.84163950Italy_Tuscany
10.31105232Italy_Romagna
11.58057425Albanian_North
11.82398410Albanian_Kosovo
11.95253346France_Corsica
13.44420931Italy_Lazio
13.76962302Italy_Marche
14.71513507Baleares
15.66826729Galicia
16.54312546Extremadura
17.07581330French
17.29189695Portuguese
17.36542830French
17.87426082Romanians
18.53336451Bulgarians
18.69441628Bulgarian


Regio X (23andMe),6.89,0,0.86,0,37.85,27.39,0,0,5.54,0,21.47,0

Distance to:RegioX(23andMe)
2.24344826Italy_Piedmont
2.29503756Italy_Veneto
3.54222247Italy_Trentino
3.90931932Italy_Lombardy
3.92451430Swiss_Italian
4.10606576Italy_FriuliVG
5.58310040Italy_Liguria
5.77220331Italy_Emilia
6.17809231Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.42188318Italy_Tuscany
9.87867400Italy_Romagna
11.27978280Albanian_North
11.50199113Albanian_Kosovo
11.58134776France_Corsica
13.02102354Italy_Lazio
13.33306409Italy_Marche
14.88337327Baleares
15.92879782Galicia
16.76368098Extremadura
17.53226454Portuguese
17.56222651French
17.78062991Romanians
17.85887734French
18.37406324Bulgarians
18.54359189Bulgarian


Father (23andMe),7.92,0,0.69,0,36.48,28.19,0.26,0,6.36,0,20.09,0

Distance to:Father(23andMe)
3.64732724Italy_FriuliVG
3.66697697Italy_Piedmont
3.99426807Italy_Veneto
4.27463683Italy_Trentino
5.30620981Swiss_Italian
6.02165073Italy_Lombardy
6.31809881Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.04214926Italy_Liguria
7.24383538Italy_Emilia
8.69640558Italy_Tuscany
10.83715369Italy_Romagna
11.46114305Albanian_North
11.62113161Albanian_Kosovo
13.20788840France_Corsica
13.60173790Italy_Lazio
14.12788724Italy_Marche
15.89862573Baleares
16.46931996Galicia
16.87346734French
17.05845245French
17.25683343Romanians
17.26528019Extremadura
17.89991061Portuguese
18.13588432Bulgarian
18.24012884Bulgarians


Mother (23andMe),5.03,0.21,1.33,0,37.33,29.53,0,0,5.60,0,20.98,0

Distance to:Mother(23andMe)
1.73202771Italy_Trentino
2.93848192Italy_FriuliVG
2.99785131Swiss_Italian
3.07960118Italy_Veneto
3.86842346Italy_Piedmont
5.34890994Italy_Lombardy
5.45672435Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.18972532Italy_Liguria
7.81619543Italy_Emilia
9.33078507Italy_Tuscany
11.01143951Albanian_North
11.47835790Italy_Romagna
11.58492555Albanian_Kosovo
13.44245052France_Corsica
14.44598609Italy_Lazio
14.90839019Italy_Marche
15.76217307Baleares
16.34925381Romanians
16.42503272Galicia
16.64098855French
16.88928655French
17.02857892Bulgarians
17.36272156Bulgarian
17.55130479Extremadura
17.60212487Bosnian
 
So, neither Eurogenes K13 nor Dodecad K12b are accurate for you. (edit: K15 nor Dodecad K12b)

Just modern populations for me:
2.99839957Emilia
3.15726147Tuscany
3.38475996Liguria
3.67819249Tuscan
4.30383550Romagna
5.21252338Umbria
6.16301874Lombardy
6.22120567Marche
6.24877588Lazio
6.80908217FrenchCorsica
7.16684031Veneto
7.74483053Piedmont
8.55386462Friuli-VG
9.55260174Greek_Western-Thrace
10.37322997Greek_Central-Macedonia
10.40681507Trentino
10.56576547Vlach_Central-Macedonia
10.78628759Swiss_Italian
10.85248359Swiss-Italian
11.19184971Albanian
11.27902035West_Sicilian
11.29719134Kosovo_Albanian
11.66765186Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
12.33875196Bulgarian_Plovdiv
12.35486544Greek_Western-Macedonia


The cline of northern Italian provinces looks "accurate" to me for my known ancestry, but then Greek areas start to appear, and further on Turkish samples, and the Spanish samples are
pushed further away. Whether that's "accurate" or not, I don't know.

.99839957Emilia
3.15726147Tuscany
3.38475996Liguria
3.67819249Tuscan
4.30383550Romagna
5.21252338Umbria
6.16301874Lombardy
6.22120567Marche
6.24877588Lazio
6.80908217FrenchCorsica
7.16684031Veneto
7.74483053Piedmont
8.55386462Friuli-VG
9.55260174Greek_Western-Thrace
10.37322997Greek_Central-Macedonia
10.40681507Trentino
10.56576547Vlach_Central-Macedonia
10.78628759Swiss_Italian
10.85248359Swiss-Italian
11.19184971Albanian
11.27902035West_Sicilian
11.29719134Kosovo_Albanian
11.66765186Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
12.33875196Bulgarian_Plovdiv
12.35486544Greek_Western-Macedonia
12.46015249Abruzzo
12.67167708Turk_Alexandroupoli
12.72158795Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
12.80389394Greek_Thessaly
13.07666624Vlach_North-Macedonia
13.20890916North_Macedonian
13.28875464Basilicata
13.29574368Molise
13.36336784Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
13.58006259Turk_Kazanlik
13.74839991Macedonian_East
13.87101294Greek_Peloponnese
13.87630715Bulgarian_Southwest
13.93366427Bulgarian_Central
13.99984821GR_Peloponese
14.24799284Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
14.33496425Apulia
14.46980995Turk_Kavala
14.60548869Greek_Thessaloniki
14.72815331Portuguese
14.76043021Bulgarian_Serres
14.82099524Spanish_Extremadura
15.13495953Greek_Andros_Island
15.21457854Macedonian_Southeast
15.46256447Turk_Thessaloniki

Regio's results still have the Iberians pretty close. So, am I different because I'm half "Tuscan life"?

Distance to:RegioX(23andMe)
5.47916052Veneto
5.96602045AostaValley
6.18221643Piedmont
6.58668354Swiss-Italian
6.65508828Trentino
6.69911935FriuliVG
8.28356204Swiss_Italian
8.32122587Lombardy
8.46681758Liguria
Emilia9.28078122
Swiss_French
9.77986196Portuguese
Spanish_Cataluna10.25382855
10.33404567Spanish_Extremadura
10.45176062Tuscany
11.06583029
Spanish_Galicia11.20403945
Spanish_Murcia11.36180003
French11.51952690
Spanish_Valencia11.55589460
Spanish_Andalucia11.56891525
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon12.50862103
Swiss_German12.54294224
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.28441192Romagna
13.38760994Tuscan

Anyone have any details on the Turkish samples which are showing up?


K13 Ancient is weighted to Szolad and Collegno, and as a result I'm much further away from the Scythians, and Illyrians don't show up at all.

Does anyone have an updated list of ancient samples which includes samples from, say, Antionio et al, which don't yet appear in the K13 ancient?
3.23024767SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
3.92136456SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
4.61476977SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
5.48877035IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
5.52075176SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
6.08428303I7424_morisco
6.61990936CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
6.84388778I7424_morisco2
7.73375717SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
9.37121123SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
9.81173787CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
9.93161115I12647_iberia2
9.96091361I12647_iberia
10.26733169CrusaderSI41KingdomofJerusalem
10.48618138ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
10.51419517I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1_2
10.54139459I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1
10.57125820scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
10.67171964CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
10.70753006IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.82380709RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9
11.21984848SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
12.17064912SZ19_szolad_hungary_longobard
12.52218032I12516_iberia
12.74365332SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
12.89520454CL49_collegno_italy_longobard
13.44571679IA_Civitavecchia_R473
13.49187904I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE2
13.63865463SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard
13.74177208I3807_morisco
13.81188619I3807_morisco
14.21938466I10865_iberia
14.24593275IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
14.41144337I12649_low_quality
14.74637244DA195_Hungary_Scythian
14.90830306CL94_collegno_italy_longobard


K15 original

Now, the first two principal components are correct in the sense I'm half Tuscan and half Emilian. The distance is further. Does that mean it's wrong? No Turks show up, although I think they have the standard Turkish samples. So, where did the Turkish samples come from which appear in K13? What is the link to the academic paper? Until I see it, I'm not sure what it means.

4.46072864Tuscan
6.50442926North_Italian
11.25741978Italian_Abruzzo
11.25753970West_Sicilian
12.44466151Greek_Thessaly
12.91083653Greek
14.44350719Spanish_Extremadura
14.50931425Spanish_Murcia
14.59778750Portuguese
14.77803099East_Sicilian
14.87212157Bulgarian
14.89837239Central_Greek
15.09966225Spanish_Andalucia
15.63734632Spanish_Cataluna
15.66968730Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
15.70986951Romanian
15.76791045Spanish_Galicia
16.20131476Spanish_Valencia
16.66465421South_Italian
16.86759023Ashkenazi
17.51915238Serbian
17.54667490Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
19.56798661Spanish_Aragon
19.65718952French
19.68681792Spanish_Cantabria


The K15 updated looks "reasonable" to me:
3.86931518Italy_Tuscany
4.23288318Italy_Emiliaromagna
4.25635995Italy_Liguria
4.46072864Tuscan
6.50442926North_Italian
6.55881849Italy_Lazio
6.83303007Italy_Marche
7.39247590Italy_Lombardy
7.49916662France_Corsica
8.00542941Italy_Friuli
8.40202357Italy_Veneto
8.93296703Albanian-Kosovo
9.44547922Kosovo_Albanian
9.53782470Albanian-Macedonia
9.78762484Albanian-South
9.82057534Albanian-North
10.17207452Italy_Piedmont
10.84424732Italy_Trentino
11.25753970West_Sicilian
12.44466151Greek_Thessaly
12.56755744Macedonian_2
12.64764850GR_Peloponese
12.91083653Greek
13.21623623Italy_Abruzzo
13.88518275Italy_Apulia
14.44350719Spanish_Extremadura
14.50931425Spanish_Murcia
14.59778750Portuguese
14.77803099East_Sicilian
14.89837239Central_Greek
15.00283871Macedonian
15.09966225Spanish_Andalucia
15.14184636GR_Macedonia
15.32820603Romania_South
15.40187976Bulgarian
15.46748848Bulgarian_Thracian
15.63734632Spanish_Cataluna
15.66968730Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
15.68404285Italy_Aostavalley
15.70986951Romanian
15.71087203Italy_Central_Sicily
15.74158188Italy_Campania
15.76791045Spanish_Galicia
16.06202353Gagauz
16.07739737Montenegrin
16.13829917South_Serbian
16.20131476Spanish_Valencia
16.31845275Romania_Sw
16.35921453Italy_West_Sicily
16.66465421South_Italian

K15 ancient-I don't think this includes some of the new samples
6.59585476IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
9.97415661IA_Civitavecchia_R474
10.52466151EMBA_Croatia_I4331
10.83707525ScythianMoldova_SCY197
11.64466831BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332
11.90834581BronzAgeBalkan
13.03677107Vucedol_I3499
13.34351903IA_Civitavecchia_R473
14.91996984Bavaria_STR310
14.99525258IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
14.99546598IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
15.06043824IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
15.46276819IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
15.83683996ScythianMoldova_SCY300
16.19309729IA_Ardea_R851
16.26327458IronAgeBalkan
17.46251414IA_Civitavecchia_R475
18.36019063MedievalHungarian_DA199
18.44684797Scythian_SCY311
18.71971421IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
19.49851789Mycenaean_I9041
21.14828835BR2_Hungary
21.92221248NorthItalian_HGDP01171
23.55316115IA_Ardea_R850
24.14315845Crimean_Goth_KER1
 
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I think that some of these Turkish samples, like the one from Kavala and Alexandroupoli, have been added by Apricity user Kaspias. They are not from academic sources afaik, but from his own personal collection.
 
I think that some of these Turkish samples, like the one from Kavala and Alexandroupoli, have been added by Apricity user Kaspias. They are not from academic sources afaik, but from his own personal collection.

Oh, that's just great.

How do I know who he is? How do I know the samples are legit? They might be, or they might not be. There's no way of checking.

No thanks, people.

Only academic samples should be in these calculators. Lukas should remove them and any other "individual or private" samples which were submitted. It's not like there aren't academic samples available.
 
@Angela
This random combination between my parents generated a Piedmontese basically. lol In K15, this similarity to Piedmontese is likely related to my very high Atlantic %. I guess it also explains my odd "Western" % in myOrigins (British + Iberian) and NW in other calculators such MyHeritage and the old DNALand. 23andMe is the only one that "filters" it well.
Anyway, apparently K15 is even worst than K13 for me. At least K13 understands I'm NE Italian in ancestry, while K12b gets for example that I'm closer to Tuscans than to Iberians, which seems correct. K36's "Oracle" (similarity map) also puts me closer to Tuscans than to Iberians.
 
Great work, Jovialis :)

New samples of Iberians and Bell Beaker France:
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208,1.39,0.00,5.31,0.43,54.53,22.97,1.16,0.00,3.96,0.94,8.35,0.95
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758,3.58,0.82,1.72,0.00,48.92,32.83,0.00,0.00,2.47,0.00,8.72,0.94
VisigothGermanicGirona_I12163,7.57,0.24,0.32,0.77,34.32,39.43,0.00,0.00,3.75,0.12,12.64,0.83
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759,2.22,0.00,1.44,1.17,52.23,30.07,0.00,0.00,2.58,0.05,8.61,1.63
BasqueCarolingian_I3777,8.28,0.90,0.00,0.00,44.20,32.10,0.11,0.30,5.29,0.50,8.25,0.08
BellBeakerFrance_I1388,0.00,0.00,2.30,0.00,59.39,21.76,0.81,0.00,7.46,0.00,8.28,0.00
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320,4.64,0.00,4.88,1.09,52.24,25.19,0.00,0.00,3.67,0.00,7.44,0.86
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321,3.80,0.00,4.55,0.00,55.48,25.14,0.00,0.83,2.20,0.32,7.68,0.00
BellBeakerSouthernFrance_I3874,5.77,0.32,0.81,0.47,39.46,40.05,1.07,0.56,0.80,0.00,10.47,0.22
IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136,0.00,0.00,4.83,0.00,61.85,21.67,1.21,0.00,3.88,0.00,6.07,0.49

Would it be possible, by any chance, to have more French samples, especially by region? I'm clueless about all of this, so I can't do it myself but if someone is interested (apart from me) that would be great. My results are inaccurate due to the lack of French samples, I think. This is really annoying. Do such samples exist and are they available, to begin with?
 
Would it be possible, by any chance, to have more French samples, especially by region? I'm clueless about all of this, so I can't do it myself but if someone is interested (apart from me) that would be great. My results are inaccurate due to the lack of French samples, I think. This is really annoying. Do such samples exist and are they available, to begin with?

I'd like to see that too. I know the southwest French sample is available, but I don't know about any others, although papers have been published which use French samples.
 
Well, Iberians aren't getting the "Balkan/Greek" part of the spectrum, so it makes sense as we know the Philistines were probably of Aegean origin and/or Sardinian/Southern Italian.

Even as a North/Central Italian who never gets Greek Islanders they're extremely far from me, although there seems to be variation. Perhaps they were already partly admixed with locals?

17.27458827ASH068_Iron_Age1
32.23829400ASH067_Iron_Age1
39.09207720ASH066_Iron_Age1
40.66160597ASH029_Late_Bronze_Age
43.12474000ASH034_Late_Bronze_Age
46.10386318ASH087_Iron_Age2
46.28961979ASH135_Iron_Age2
46.33470621ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age
46.39951616ASH008_Iron_Age2
54.86118664ASH2-3_Iron_Age1

IIRC the authors of that paper claimed the Iron Age Philistines of Ashkelon were already ~53% BA Levantine in ancestry, so there was extensive mixing, indeed.
 
Distance to:Das
18.43423446Armenia_Chalcolithic
19.73774303Iran_Chalcolithic
21.48393586Armenia_EBA
22.21583894Armenia_MLBA
25.81316525British_Roman
27.87671968Armenia_LBA
28.00428539Armenia_MBA
30.66962504Mycenaean_I9041
30.97380990Mycenaean_I9006
32.22459154Anatolia_Chalcolithic
33.00113180Levant_BA
35.09907691Crete_Armenoi_I9123
35.10451111Mycenaean_I9010
36.30366235Mycenaean_I9033
36.54296923Iran_LN
36.63815770Minoan_Lasithi_I0071
36.70018937Minoan_Odigitria_I9129
36.94055089Minoan_Lasithi_I9005
37.62308733Minoan_Odigitria_I9127
37.80520467Levant_N
38.01329636Minoan_Lasithi_I0070
38.93254166Minoan_Lasithi_I0073
39.03297196Minoan_Odigitria_I9131
39.18881856Minoan_Lasithi_I0074
40.41556878Hungary_IronAge


TargetDistanceAncient_Australian
Armenia_EBA
Iran_Chalcolithic
Iran_Mesolithic
Levant_BA
Minoan_Lasithi_I0070
Minoan_Odigitria_I9129
Satsurblia_CHG
Das0.55652660
1.43.617.65.434.025.60.811.6
Average0.55652660
1.43.617.65.434.025.60.811.6
RESET SORTINGCOPY TABLE AS CSV

COPY TABLE AS TSV
 
Eurogenes K15 Ancient


Distance to:Das
14.48097372Canaanite_ERS1790730
14.72542020Canaanite_ERS1790733
14.72542020Sidon_733
16.26124841CopperAgeIran_I4351
16.89577166Canaanite_ERS1790729
16.90902126CopperAgeIran_I4241
17.98337566KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2200
18.65971597Sidon_731
19.50171275MENA_GladiatorYork_3DRIF26
20.20867635Kurdistan_Medieval_I1955
20.20867635LateMedieval_Iranian
20.25304915Canaanite_ERS1790732
21.28528835IA_Ardea_R850
23.24832682ArmenianChalcolithic_I1632
23.43466663KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
24.35267131ArmenianChalcolithic_I1634
24.54926068Crimean_Goth_KER1
24.71909990Kurdistan_EIA_F38
24.80781933ChalcolithicAgeAnatolian
25.44981336ArmenianChalcolithic_I1407
25.85583687Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212
27.95437175KurdistanChalcolithic_I1674
28.22390122KurdistanChalcolithic_I1662
28.60024650Mycenaean_I9006
29.20548750ArmeniaCA_I1631
 
Would it be possible, by any chance, to have more French samples, especially by region? I'm clueless about all of this, so I can't do it myself but if someone is interested (apart from me) that would be great. My results are inaccurate due to the lack of French samples, I think. This is really annoying. Do such samples exist and are they available, to begin with?

Hello @TardisBlue, Good morning.
I have some matches with MTA's French samples, but the research I did on the papers did not allow me to get convertible BAM files through "WGS Extract". I'm sorry.
 
More samples to help develop Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB9783:
IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9,0.89,0.00,1.25,0.00,58.14,21.43,0.49,0.00,4.69,0.00,11.18,1.93

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB23079:
Roman-SoldierFN_2,2.95,0.31,3.26,0.82,42.88,29.21,0.00,0.00,3.24,0.45,14.20,2.69
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33,7.02,0.51,3.61,0.00,30.37,42.59,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.00,15.58,0.24
ThuringiiTribeAED_1108,4.91,9.67,0.04,2.07,12.54,27.54,0.18,0.00,9.11,12.08,20.97,1.06

Jovialis #375
PhilistinesASH2-3_Iron_Age1,4.96,0,12.41,0,10.20,0,4.20,0,1.89,0,66.34,0
PhilistinesASH008_Iron_Age2,10.84,0,4.00,0,11.39,0,0,0.63,29.23,0,43.90,0
PhilistinesASH029_Late_Bronze_Age,8.31,0,9.61,0,12.28,6.19,0,0,27.92,0,35.69,0
PhilistinesASH033_Late_Bronze_Age,5.83,0,4.07,0,10.30,3.87,0,0,28.76,0,47.17,0
PhilistinesASH034_Late_Bronze_Age,10.82,0,3.64,0.66,14.01,0,0,0.84,25.02,0,45.01,0
PhilistinesASH066_Iron_Age1,9.21,0,7.83,0,15.39,0,5.06,0.07,22.99,0.97,37.59,0.90
PhilistinesASH067_Iron_Age1,9.18,0,3.02,0,23.86,2.30,0,0,19.31,0,42.33,0
PhilistinesASH068_Iron_Age1,0,0,0,1.65,39.53,8.59,0,0.65,14.61,0,34.97,0
PhilistinesASH087_Iron_Age2,5.64,1.37,3.88,0,12.66,0,0,2.67,32.15,0,41.63,0
PhilistinesASH135_Iron_Age2,5.14,0,17.24,0.39,6.20,6.72,0,3.35,27.59,0,33.18,0.18
 
Vahaduo K12b Ancient all samples consolidated until January 10, 2020 - Link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FYMYEPs-Ex_l4_L_Oyeh2_7F_5XHIIdN/view?usp=sharing

My Vahaduo K12b Ancient results with the samples of link above: (Top 50)

1SgA7gp.png

J1ydM4z.png
 
Oh, that's just great.

How do I know who he is? How do I know the samples are legit? They might be, or they might not be. There's no way of checking.

No thanks, people.

Only academic samples should be in these calculators. Lukas should remove them and any other "individual or private" samples which were submitted. It's not like there aren't academic samples available.

They are probably not legit, at least not in the academic sense, where samples are traced through fact checked geneologies.

Plus, a lot of posters on that website push openly certain agendas so their motives are not transparent or open to peer-review scrutiny like samples in academic papers are.
 
Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28783727
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB20914

Code:
I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,0,2.55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95
I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.49,0,3.07,0,37.80,0.67,0,0,13.01,0,44.93,0.03
I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,1.28,0.51,37.14,0,0,0,15.36,0,45.71,0
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,3.39,0.38,35.55,0,0,0,13.26,0,47.43,0
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.41,0,4.34,0,39.06,0,0,0,12.70,0,43.49,0
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,4.14,0,1.89,0,36.48,4.77,0,0,8.08,1.19,43.45,0
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,6.11,0,2.47,0,40.07,15.84,0,0,9.79,0.87,24.86,0
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,0,0,40.48,0,0,0,4.75,0,54.78,0
I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,3.72,0.51,3.62,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.12,2.88,21.92,0
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,6.66,0,43.44,0,0,0,11.86,0,37.93,0
I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,1.10,0,0,0,43.10,0,0,0,17.55,0,38.25,0
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,4.59,0,0,0,33.89,0,0,0,19.71,0,41.08,0.73
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0,0,3.52,1.43,38.53,7.73,0,0.65,13.96,0,34.19,0
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese,1.33,1.22,3.40,0,40.19,9.10,0.52,0,7.58,0.48,33.22,2.96
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,2.87,0,2.57,0,37.48,8.67,0,0.36,10.29,0,37.52,0.24
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,6.79,0,1.92,1.07,27.17,4.07,0,0,14.65,0,42.98,1.35
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.21,0,0.11,0.47,27.71,4.33,0,0.81,12.84,0,44.53,0
I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.16,0.07,1.74,0.67,24.77,1.32,0,0,14.88,0,45.56,1.81
 
Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28783727
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB20914

I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,0,2.55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95
I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.49,0,3.07,0,37.80,0.67,0,0,13.01,0,44.93,0.03
I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,1.28,0.51,37.14,0,0,0,15.36,0,45.71,0
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,3.39,0.38,35.55,0,0,0,13.26,0,47.43,0
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.41,0,4.34,0,39.06,0,0,0,12.70,0,43.49,0
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,4.14,0,1.89,0,36.48,4.77,0,0,8.08,1.19,43.45,0
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,6.11,0,2.47,0,40.07,15.84,0,0,9.79,0.87,24.86,0
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,0,0,40.48,0,0,0,4.75,0,54.78,0
I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,3.72,0.51,3.62,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.12,2.88,21.92,0
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,6.66,0,43.44,0,0,0,11.86,0,37.93,0
I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,1.10,0,0,0,43.10,0,0,0,17.55,0,38.25,0
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,4.59,0,0,0,33.89,0,0,0,19.71,0,41.08,0.73
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0,0,3.52,1.43,38.53,7.73,0,0.65,13.96,0,34.19,0
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese,1.33,1.22,3.40,0,40.19,9.10,0.52,0,7.58,0.48,33.22,2.96
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,2.87,0,2.57,0,37.48,8.67,0,0.36,10.29,0,37.52,0.24
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,6.79,0,1.92,1.07,27.17,4.07,0,0,14.65,0,42.98,1.35
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.21,0,0.11,0.47,27.71,4.33,0,0.81,12.84,0,44.53,0
I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.16,0.07,1.74,0.67,24.77,1.32,0,0,14.88,0,45.56,1.81

Oa966fC.png
 
Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28783727
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB20914

I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,0,2.55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95
I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.49,0,3.07,0,37.80,0.67,0,0,13.01,0,44.93,0.03
I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,1.28,0.51,37.14,0,0,0,15.36,0,45.71,0
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,3.39,0.38,35.55,0,0,0,13.26,0,47.43,0
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.41,0,4.34,0,39.06,0,0,0,12.70,0,43.49,0
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,4.14,0,1.89,0,36.48,4.77,0,0,8.08,1.19,43.45,0
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,6.11,0,2.47,0,40.07,15.84,0,0,9.79,0.87,24.86,0
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,0,0,40.48,0,0,0,4.75,0,54.78,0
I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,3.72,0.51,3.62,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.12,2.88,21.92,0
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,6.66,0,43.44,0,0,0,11.86,0,37.93,0
I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,1.10,0,0,0,43.10,0,0,0,17.55,0,38.25,0
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,4.59,0,0,0,33.89,0,0,0,19.71,0,41.08,0.73
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0,0,3.52,1.43,38.53,7.73,0,0.65,13.96,0,34.19,0
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese,1.33,1.22,3.40,0,40.19,9.10,0.52,0,7.58,0.48,33.22,2.96
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,2.87,0,2.57,0,37.48,8.67,0,0.36,10.29,0,37.52,0.24
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,6.79,0,1.92,1.07,27.17,4.07,0,0,14.65,0,42.98,1.35
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.21,0,0.11,0.47,27.71,4.33,0,0.81,12.84,0,44.53,0
I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.16,0.07,1.74,0.67,24.77,1.32,0,0,14.88,0,45.56,1.81

Fabulous!

Is the Vahaduo K12b working for you? It's being wonky for me, starting at number 47. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong???
 
Fabulous!

Is the Vahaduo K12b working for you? It's being wonky for me, starting at number 47. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong???

Unfortunately, the text copied from the forum creates spaces between the values, which causes a yellow flag. I tried to edit the post to take out the spaces, but it is no use. I will try to compile all of the coordinates on a downloadable notepad file, which should not have any issues.
 
Unfortunately, the text copied from the forum creates spaces between the values, which causes a yellow flag. I tried to edit the post to take out the spaces, but it is no use. I will try to compile all of the coordinates on a downloadable notepad file, which should not have any issues.

It's not that. It happened for the first time using the Google doc by Duarte, which has no spaces.
 

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