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    Dodecad K12b from Italy: can you help me?

    Component %


    Atlantic_Med 37,32%
    Caucasus 25,54%
    North_European 24,13%
    Gedrosia 6,55%
    Northwest_African 3,83%
    Southwest_Asian 2,63%

    Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
    v1.3 01/12/2019


    Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
    12 components mode.


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    Mixed Mode:
    1 74,61% Baleares_1KG + 25,39% Adygei @ 3,320
    2 75,39% Baleares_1KG + 24,61% Balkars_Y @ 3,455
    3 75,39% Baleares_1KG + 24,61% North_Ossetians_Y @ 3,569
    4 90,23% N_Italian_D + 9,77% Chechens_Y @ 3,985
    5 73,05% Galicia_1KG + 26,95% Adygei @ 3,995
    6 91,02% N_Italian_D + 8,98% Adygei @ 4,006
    7 91,02% N_Italian_D + 8,98% Balkars_Y @ 4,027
    8 69,92% Castilla_Y_Leon_1KG + 30,08% Adygei @ 4,028
    9 91,02% N_Italian_D + 8,98% North_Ossetians_Y @ 4,030
    10 66,80% Cantabria_1KG + 33,20% Adygei @ 4,126


    Least-squares method.


    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% N_Italian_D @ 6,396
    2 100% O_Italian_D @ 7,985
    3 100% TSI30 @ 8,246
    4 100% North_Italian @ 8,954
    5 100% Tuscan @ 9,672
    6 100% C_Italian_D @ 11,877
    7 100% Baleares_1KG @ 16,777
    8 100% Greek_D @ 17,885
    9 100% Galicia_1KG @ 18,496
    10 100% Bulgarians_Y @ 18,522


    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% N_Italian_D + 50% O_Italian_D @ 5,199
    2 50% Bulgarian_D + 50% Andalucia_1KG @ 5,488
    3 50% Bulgarians_Y + 50% Andalucia_1KG @ 5,629
    4 50% Sicilian_D + 50% French @ 5,791
    5 50% O_Italian_D + 50% North_Italian @ 5,884
    6 50% Greek_D + 50% Extremadura_1KG @ 5,944
    7 50% Sicilian_D + 50% French_D @ 5,964
    8 50% Baleares_1KG + 50% Greek_D @ 6,208
    9 50% N_Italian_D + 50% TSI30 @ 6,229
    10 50% Greek_D + 50% Cataluna_1KG @ 6,242


    Using 3 populations approximation
    1 33% Norwegian_D + 33% Sardinian + 33% Adygei @ 4,080
    2 33% C_Italian_D + 33% Romanians + 33% Andalucia_1KG @ 4,104
    3 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Adygei @ 4,132
    4 33% C_Italian_D + 33% Bulgarians_Y + 33% Andalucia_1KG @ 4,145
    5 33% Spanish_D + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Adygei @ 4,202
    6 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Balkars_Y @ 4,226
    7 33% Norwegian_D + 33% Sardinian + 33% Balkars_Y @ 4,254
    8 33% Tuscan + 33% Bulgarians_Y + 33% Andalucia_1KG @ 4,282
    9 33% Spanish_D + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Balkars_Y @ 4,354
    10 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% Cantabria_1KG + 33% North_Ossetians_Y @ 4,449


    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Adygei @ 3,324
    2 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Galicia_1KG + 25% Adygei @ 3,375
    3 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Balkars_Y @ 3,449
    4 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Galicia_1KG + 25% Balkars_Y @ 3,516
    5 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% North_Ossetians_Y @ 3,579
    6 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Galicia_1KG + 25% North_Ossetians_Y @ 3,645
    7 25% Valencia_1KG + 25% Valencia_1KG + 25% Hungarians + 25% Armenians @ 3,845
    8 25% Aragon_1KG + 25% Aragon_1KG + 25% Hungarians + 25% Armenians @ 4,019
    9 25% Cantabria_1KG + 25% Cantabria_1KG + 25% Hungarians + 25% Armenians @ 4,122
    10 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Baleares_1KG + 25% Chechens_Y @ 4,221

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    Try these with your Eurogenes K13, Eurogenes and Dodecad K12b results.

    http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh

    With your K12b results you get Veneto as first. Are you from Veneto, right?

    You are a Venetian more in the direction of the Po Valley than of the Friulians and Northeastern Alps.


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    Thank you brick!
    Yes, I'm from Veneto, Po Valley.
    Ciao!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norditaliano View Post
    Thank you brick!
    Yes, I'm from Veneto, Po Valley.
    Ciao!
    Trevisan or Vicenza ?
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Trevisan or Vicenza ?
    Padua, and where are you from?
    In my K12b results there is "O_Italian" in "Using 1 populations", what means?

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    Dodecad K12b updated:

    Distance to: O_Italian
    2.54699823 Italy_Romagna
    3.84609724 Italy_Lazio
    4.07360258 Italy_Marche
    4.71072500 Italy_Tuscany
    ..............


    O_Italian,6.21,0.00,1.10,0.00,33.53,21.82,0.00,0.2 0,7.81,0.00,28.53,0.80
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norditaliano View Post
    Padua, and where are you from?
    In my K12b results there is "O_Italian" in "Using 1 populations", what means?
    "O_Italians" means other italians, i.e. italians who lived in countries which had italians for centuries, but bordering with France, Swiss, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia...

    If i remember correctly Torzio and/or Pax have explained to me elsewhere that it usually reveals a shift towards Eastern / Balkan Europe, and using this calculator with its old spreadsheet, it's quite frequent for it to appear to individuals from eastern Italy. (In fact, it also appears to me as first result: I'm from Romagna and Ferrara.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norditaliano View Post
    Padua, and where are you from?
    In my K12b results there is "O_Italian" in "Using 1 populations", what means?
    My father line from Ponzano Veneto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzano_Veneto
    Mother line from San Zenone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Zenone_degli_Ezzelini


    O_Italians = other italians..........like swiss-italians or italians in dalmatia, istria, south east france, Menton, Nice ( like where Garibaldi was from , but now it is france)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Dodecad K12b updated:

    Distance to: O_Italian
    2.54699823 Italy_Romagna
    3.84609724 Italy_Lazio
    4.07360258 Italy_Marche
    4.71072500 Italy_Tuscany
    ..............


    O_Italian,6.21,0.00,1.10,0.00,33.53,21.82,0.00,0.2 0,7.81,0.00,28.53,0.80
    thanks

    mine with O_Italian

    interesting that O_Italian is positioned near Albanians ............should its numbers be noted as more "southern italian" ?

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    2.57738938 Italy_FriuliVG
    2.91721398 Italy_Veneto
    3.15360272 Italy_Piedmont
    4.32371831 Italy_Trentino
    5.21059138 Swiss_Italian
    5.62034319 Italy_Lombardy
    6.33094275 Italy_Liguria
    6.64383556 Italy_Emilia
    6.96106620 Italy_Aosta_Valley
    8.00853232 Italy_Tuscany
    9.92698343 Italy_Romagna
    10.18906767 Albanian_North
    10.24966341
    O_Italian
    10.43786377 Albanian_Kosovo
    12.60738569 Italy_Lazio
    12.62090393 France_Corsica
    13.19928475 Italy_Marche
    16.27628950 Romanians
    16.46947479 Baleares
    17.05822969 Galicia
    17.07617053 Bulgarian
    17.12228373 Bulgarians
    17.86829035 Extremadura
    17.92111604 French
    18.06615344 Bosnian


    Distance to: TrentinoCles
    4.14305918 Italy_Veneto
    4.66815569 Italy_Lombardy
    4.82467099 Italy_Liguria
    5.11384405 Italy_Emilia
    5.48084210 Italy_Piedmont
    5.74693571 Italy_Tuscany
    6.15176853 Italy_FriuliVG
    6.62085059 Swiss_Italian
    7.19608922 Italy_Trentino
    7.22083098 Italy_Romagna
    7.25928371
    O_Italian
    8.36066385 Albanian_North
    8.65458260 Albanian_Kosovo
    9.52751048 France_Corsica
    10.31492336 Italy_Lazio
    10.43859943 Italy_Marche
    10.90779287 Italy_Aosta_Valley
    15.78782442 Bulgarians
    16.05068558 Italy_Abruzzo
    16.17671784 Romanians
    16.32011642 Greek
    16.48539353 Bulgarian
    17.40113812 Italy_Apulia
    17.86779785 Baleares
    18.69366914 Italy_Campania

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks

    mine with O_Italian

    interesting that O_Italian is positioned near Albanians ............should its numbers be noted as more "southern italian" ?

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    2.57738938 Italy_FriuliVG
    2.91721398 Italy_Veneto
    3.15360272 Italy_Piedmont
    4.32371831 Italy_Trentino
    5.21059138 Swiss_Italian
    5.62034319 Italy_Lombardy
    6.33094275 Italy_Liguria
    6.64383556 Italy_Emilia
    6.96106620 Italy_Aosta_Valley
    8.00853232 Italy_Tuscany
    9.92698343 Italy_Romagna
    10.18906767 Albanian_North
    10.24966341
    O_Italian
    10.43786377 Albanian_Kosovo
    12.60738569 Italy_Lazio
    12.62090393 France_Corsica
    13.19928475 Italy_Marche
    16.27628950 Romanians
    16.46947479 Baleares
    17.05822969 Galicia
    17.07617053 Bulgarian
    17.12228373 Bulgarians
    17.86829035 Extremadura
    17.92111604 French
    18.06615344 Bosnian


    Distance to: TrentinoCles
    4.14305918 Italy_Veneto
    4.66815569 Italy_Lombardy
    4.82467099 Italy_Liguria
    5.11384405 Italy_Emilia
    5.48084210 Italy_Piedmont
    5.74693571 Italy_Tuscany
    6.15176853 Italy_FriuliVG
    6.62085059 Swiss_Italian
    7.19608922 Italy_Trentino
    7.22083098 Italy_Romagna
    7.25928371
    O_Italian
    8.36066385 Albanian_North
    8.65458260 Albanian_Kosovo
    9.52751048 France_Corsica
    10.31492336 Italy_Lazio
    10.43859943 Italy_Marche
    10.90779287 Italy_Aosta_Valley
    15.78782442 Bulgarians
    16.05068558 Italy_Abruzzo
    16.17671784 Romanians
    16.32011642 Greek
    16.48539353 Bulgarian
    17.40113812 Italy_Apulia
    17.86779785 Baleares
    18.69366914 Italy_Campania
    No, it shouldn't.


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    Good afternoon. Let me say upfront, I am new here only 3 months so if I screw up with forum protocol, please let me know. My ancestors all immigrated to USA between 1890 and 1903. My Fathers family (Paternal Grandfather side from Trapani Province, Paternal Grandmother from Agrigento and Palermo provinces). My Mothers family all from Palermo Region (Palazzo Adriano where Tornatore filed Cinama Paradiso). I spent 3 weeks in Sicily last summer doing family research and was told consistently that my name is not common in Sicily (name in USA got messed up). I found the correct spelling of my Great Grandfathers name (2 similar spellings were used in Trapani) but the original one actually is a name that is very, very, common in Campania, which might explain my results. I am aware of the extant research that shows a homogeneous genetic cluster from Southern Italy to Sicily, which might partially explain my results. So since there are posters here with way more expertise in this forum than me, any comments are theories you might have would be appreciated. Cheers.

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    3.83059103 Italy_Abruzzo
    4.03985458 Italy_Sicily
    5.85659507 Italy_Calabria
    6.30021809 Italy_Apulia
    7.04316676 Italy_Marche
    7.65791512 Italy_Lazio
    9.80278022 Ashkenazi
    10.34941544 Ashkenazy_Jews
    10.37221770 Greek_Crete
    10.45749014 Italy_Romagna
    10.84031826 Greek
    11.64560432 Sephardic_Jews
    12.53945374 Morocco_Jews
    12.70455178 France_Corsica
    13.19014973 Italy_Tuscany
    14.40640483 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
    14.95868467 Italy_Emilia
    15.08634150 Albanian_Kosovo
    15.59318961 Italy_Liguria
    16.41356147 Albanian_North
    18.41201781 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
    18.60377267 Italy_Lombardy
    18.76349355 Italy_Piedmont
    18.91861555 Italy_Veneto

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    Thank you ragazzi, and Adygei and TSI30 what means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norditaliano View Post
    Thank you ragazzi, and Adygei and TSI30 what means?
    Iirc Adygei is in the north caucasus area.....i was once marked as Balkar also a north caucasus people

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