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    Best Autosomal Genetics Test?

    What test would you consider the best for seeing your closest related modern populations? Eurogenes K15, K36? Something else?

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    I am also interested about the answer to this question.

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    In my particular case, Dodecad World 9 is the most accurate. The comparison of 4 populations seems a pretty good description of my four grandparents ...





    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Baltic 41.68
    2 Southern 23.35
    3 Amerindian 19.28
    4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 11.48
    5 African 3.26


    Finished reading population data. 250 populations found.
    9 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 CLM30 @ 11.172947
    2 PUR30 @ 14.195469
    3 Brazilian_Dodecad @ 19.843163
    4 Colombian @ 20.009138
    5 Puerto_Rican @ 21.044411
    6 AthabaskHD4 @ 22.821800
    7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.415724
    8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 23.451378
    9 TSI30_Metspalu @ 23.594652
    10 Romanians_Behar @ 24.093084
    11 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.329020
    12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 24.629778
    13 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 25.086760
    14 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.354063
    15 North_Italian_HGDP @ 25.389795
    16 Canarias_1000 Genomes @ 26.145235
    17 Greek_Dodecad @ 26.549267
    18 Murcia_1000 Genomes @ 26.689846
    19 Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 27.528421
    20 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 27.565016

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Tuscan_HGDP +50% Colombian @ 3.299624


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% TSI30_Metspalu +25% Ecuadorian +25% CLM30 @ 1.108061


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.752705
    2 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.917782
    3 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.933595
    4 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.940335
    5 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.952672
    6 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 0.991689
    7 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Aragon_1000 Genomes @ 1.052471
    8 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.077681
    9 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 @ 1.100790
    10 TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.108061
    11 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.147959
    12 Spanish_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 @ 1.159750
    13 Lithuanian_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 1.165485
    14 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Valencia_1000 Genomes @ 1.171852
    15 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 1.172048
    16 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.179401
    17 Greek_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 + Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 1.185854
    18 French_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + PEL30 @ 1.186951
    19 Dutch_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.204313
    20 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 @ 1.206128

    Done.

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    World 9 Dodecad ........................unsure ,but interesting cornwall came up as number 1 mixed as I have a "cornish " match in yfull

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Baltic 56.2
    2 Southern 25.48
    3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 17.19
    4 South_Asian 0.74
    5 African 0.21
    6 East_Asian 0.18

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 2.66
    2 North_Italian (HGDP) 4.3
    3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 4.78
    4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.51
    5 Romanians (Behar) 7.11
    6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 8.16
    7 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 8.22
    Tuscan (HGDP) 8.99


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 39% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 0.51
    2 62.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 0.51
    3 73.1% French (HGDP) + 26.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.57
    4 73.3% Tuscan (HGDP) + 26.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 0.59
    5 58.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 41.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 0.6
    6 70.3% Tuscan (HGDP) + 29.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 0.61
    7 61.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 38.6% British (Dodecad) @ 0.61
    8 61.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 38.8% Kent (1000 Genomes) @ 0.62

    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    K13/K15 Fill up to 10 characters.

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    Ancient Eurasia K6 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
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    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 Natufian 45.82
    2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 29.72
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.40
    4 East_Asian 2.26
    5 Sub_Saharan 1.33




    Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
    6 components mode.


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    Least-squares method.


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek @ 3.113444
    2 Sicilian @ 3.970449
    3 Albanian @ 4.634143
    4 Italian_South @ 5.065207
    5 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 5.480591
    6 Bulgarian @ 7.574255
    7 Romanian @ 9.521929
    8 Jew_Moroccan @ 9.543930
    9 Armenia_ChL @ 10.590118
    10 Jew_Libyan @ 11.291612
    11 Jew_Tunisian @ 11.822817
    12 Croatian @ 13.488173
    13 Turkish @ 13.645724
    14 Cypriot @ 14.592309
    15 Spanish @ 14.767661
    16 Kumyk @ 16.320807
    17 Hungarian @ 16.338268
    18 Adygei @ 16.546595
    19 French @ 16.864491
    20 Balkar @ 16.933371


    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Cypriot +50% Hungarian @ 1.952560




    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Albanian +25% Azeri +25% Spanish @ 0.875945




    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
    1 Icelandic + Italian_South + Jew_Moroccan + Turkish @ 0.278049
    2 Cypriot + Greek + Jew_Moroccan + Russian @ 0.460699
    3 English + Italian_South + Jew_Ashkenazi + Turkish @ 0.518978
    4 English + Greek + Jew_Moroccan + Turkish @ 0.536910
    5 Druze + Finnish + Italian_South + Italian_South @ 0.541149
    6 Czech + Italian_South + Jew_Ashkenazi + Turkish @ 0.545076
    7 Balkar + Italian_South + Sicilian + Spanish @ 0.569882
    8 Czech + Greek + Jew_Moroccan + Turkish @ 0.608728
    9 Albanian + Hungarian + Jew_Moroccan + Turkish @ 0.616514
    10 Hungarian + Italian_South + Sicilian + Turkish @ 0.625211
    11 Cypriot + Italian_South + Jew_Ashkenazi + Russian @ 0.634670
    12 Balkar + Sicilian + Sicilian + Spanish @ 0.635125
    13 Albanian + Cypriot + Cypriot + Finnish @ 0.643140
    14 Balkar + Greek + Italian_South + Spanish @ 0.671458
    15 Albanian + Czech + Jew_Moroccan + Turkish @ 0.697680
    16 Albanian + Romanian + Sicilian + Turkish @ 0.717067
    17 Albanian + Azeri + Greek + Spanish @ 0.730626
    18 Icelandic + Italian_South + Jew_Libyan + Turkish @ 0.736849
    19 Druze + Italian_South + Russian + Sicilian @ 0.744471
    20 Basque + Georgian + Levant_BA + Russian @ 0.746408

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    wow, actually seems very accurate!

    Ancient Eurasia K6 Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 38.84
    2 Natufian 36.71
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.84
    4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.14
    5 Sub_Saharan 0.82
    6 East_Asian 0.65

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Croatian 4.41
    2 Hungarian 5.16
    3 Romanian 5.82
    4 Bulgarian 6.71
    5 Ukrainian 6.8
    6 Czech 6.87
    7 French 7.19
    8 English 7.43
    9 Scottish 7.72
    10 Norwegian 7.83
    11 Spanish 9.79
    12 Icelandic 10.14
    13 Europe_LNBA 10.44
    14 Albanian 11.8
    15 Steppe_MLBA 12.1
    16 Estonian 12.54
    17 Greek 12.74
    18 Russian 12.92
    19 Lithuanian 13.77
    20 Finnish 14.33

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    Bump up of this thread. Is there any (data-based) opinion of which are the "best" calculators? (best understood as most precise, given a base population, given a certain time).

    I see Eurogenes K36 is used a lot, but also K13 and K47 are discussed. Also some Dodecads. And here also Gedrosia (all available at Gedmatch, and even more there).

    So, I do not which to use.

    I see that the 23andme ancestry report is quite in line with K36 and K47, at least the broad picture (not the specific numbers, but not too bad anyway). And I have been surprised by the composition, since it gives me much more Scandinavian, Baltic, Finnish and North German that I would expect (I would have expected an overwhelming Mediterranean composition). In fact, adding up the North European components, I have more than Iberian component! If I add all Mediterranean components, they still dominate, but not by much.

    I have been told by a friend that this could mean I have some Goth (Visigoth) ancestors, which established overall Europe, and in particular in Catalonia, since Goths were Baltic, originally. But I do not know how to check.

    However, despite the calculators being overly consistent with each other, the Oracles are not. Different Oracles give me different combinations, very dissimilar to each other, that minimize the distance.

    And for this reason, first I would like to find the right calculator. Please help! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farstar View Post
    I see that the 23andme ancestry report is quite in line with K36 and K47, at least the broad picture (not the specific numbers, but not too bad anyway). And I have been surprised by the composition, since it gives me much more Scandinavian, Baltic, Finnish and North German that I would expect (I would have expected an overwhelming Mediterranean composition). In fact, adding up the North European components, I have more than Iberian component! If I add all Mediterranean components, they still dominate, but not by much.

    I have been told by a friend that this could mean I have some Goth (Visigoth) ancestors, which established overall Europe, and in particular in Catalonia, since Goths were Baltic, originally. But I do not know how to check.
    I get where you're coming from. According to my tests I seem to be very closely related to Hungarians, Austrians, and Romanians. Even though these people aren't Slavic or South Slavic. Although it's been discussed on this forum before, I've always firmly believed South Slavs are still in large part native Illyrian, but according to my tests I'm closer related to Germans than to Albanians. While none of this is bad, It's still genuinely surprising. However, I've also done my K15 which (if I did the coordinates right) puts me closer to Balkan natives than northerners, so it's all somewhat confusing.

    Funny enough, I also believe my Germanic component is probably from Ostrogoths, but honestly who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farstar View Post
    I have been told by a friend that this could mean I have some Goth (Visigoth) ancestors, which established overall Europe, and in particular in Catalonia, since Goths were Baltic, originally. But I do not know how to check.
    It also gives me Germanic components in K47 and Celts (?) I doubt it has anything to do with it.

    lucasK47.jpg

    I still don't understand what it is "West Med", all I know is that it is more dominant among Sardinians.

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    Dodecad World 9 does a good job for me. All my ancestors immigrated to the USA(1890-1905) from rural regions of Western Sicily (Trapani, Palermo, Agrigento). Top 10 Single and mixed mode populations provided.



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Baltic 37.7
    2 Southern 36.47
    3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 24.15
    4 African 0.76
    5 Australasian 0.72
    6 East_Asian 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ashkenazy_Jews 2.42
    2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.42
    3 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.7
    4 Greek (Dodecad) 3.51
    5 S_Italian (Dodecad) 3.55
    6 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 3.68
    7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 6.32
    8 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.1
    9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 10.91
    10 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.92

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 88.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.49
    2 93% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7% French (Dodecad) @ 0.5
    3 93% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7% French (HGDP) @ 0.51
    4 70.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.53
    5 81.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 18.1% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 0.55
    6 82.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 17.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 0.55
    7 77.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.57
    8 88.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11.3% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.57
    9 94.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 5.8% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 0.6
    10 94.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 5.7% British (Dodecad) @ 0.6


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    Quote Originally Posted by HiveMindTerror View Post
    I get where you're coming from. According to my tests I seem to be very closely related to Hungarians, Austrians, and Romanians. Even though these people aren't Slavic or South Slavic.
    Don't forget, Hungarians, Austrians, and Romanians had a similar 'base' population to Balkanoids. They absorbed a lot of Slavs as well, linguistics notwithstanding.

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    Population
    Amerindian 0.47 Pct
    East_Asian -
    African -
    Atlantic_Baltic 74.82 Pct
    Australasian 0.95 Pct
    Siberian 0.56 Pct
    Caucasus_Gedrosia 10.03 Pct
    Southern 13.17 Pct

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