
Originally Posted by
Aspurg
These matches are completely in line with the dominant scientific consensus (excluding Romanian scientists, often made in Ceausescu era) based on linguistic, archeological, and now genetic evidence that the proto-Romanians formed South of Danube river, and that in successive migrations they colonized modern day Romania. Prior to that Romania was populated by Slavic speaking populations with some Turkics here and there, (excluding ofc Transylvania).
The amount of non-Slavic, non-germanic Y-DNA matches dating to Medieval timnes between Romanians on one side and Albanians/Serbs/Bulgarians/Greeks on another is enormous. I am familiar with all Romanian haplotypes from studies and FTDNA, and I can say at least 10 % of Romanian Y-DNA has Medieval connections with the Balkans. 10 % of those that can be classified that is, so certainly more.
In fact almost all J-L283 falls in there:
J-J-L283>Z1043>BY101837 Numerous Basarabs from Bibiu and Gorj as well as ht96 from Niamt, 169 from Ploiesti cluster with Albanians (Thaci-Korbi), Croats, Bosniaks, Greeks, likely Montneegrins/Serbs. This is most the probable Basarab Y-DNA (only Basarab occuring in 2 districts).
J-L283>BY81991 Romanian has TMRCA with Italian at 1850 ybp, but much closer are Bulgarians from Tarnovo.
J-L283>Y20899 Oradea (study) with Albanians
J-L283>Y37121 with Bulgarians
J-L283>Y40288 I think one guy from here is at this level.
Also we see plenty of matches in E-V13, especially with Bulgarians. I'd say over 50 % of (identifiable) Romanian E-V13 has recent Balkan ties.
J-Y150765 seems something else, it might have older presence there. Generally thus far only one Romanian J2a cluster seems to have recent Balkan ties.
Proto-Romanians likely descend from inhabitants of Roman cities in Balkan provinces who migrated to the mountains to escape the chaos and devastation caused by the Hunnic incursions and inability of Romans to ensure security at the time. There they met proto-Albanians from whom they learned the trade of Transhumance.
So we have an Albanian Z17107* result it seems, Dante takes lot of time to do the STR's, but I reallz want to know his GATAH4. There are some American Z17107 results with H4=11 and I suspected beacuse of these H4=12 is Y30991.
Would you point to some serious Serbian source which claims Albanians came from the Caucasus. I am not aware of any. Deretic is a lunatic and nobody sane takes him seriously. When reading some Serbian linguists such as A. Loma he always postulated Albanians descend of a Paleo-Balkan population, though generally he favored Thracian one.
With the new Albanian Z17107* result it seems lot more likely Albanian Z38456 is there for a long time, so not Dacian. Other than that there are no numerous clusters that could possibly be of Dacian origin. Besides the Dacian option was never likely because Albanian has huge Latin influence, had Albanian descended of Carpi or Costoboci no way Albanian would have had such strong Latin influence. Because these groups were never under Roman control, and they only had some trade contacts with the Romans.
Bulgarian linguist Vladimir Georgiev was the one who pushed for the Dacian origin of Albanian, but he considered the shared non-Latin substrate that Romanian shared with the Albanian to be of Dacian origin, assuming Dacian ancestry of Romanians. We know now that Romanians and Albanians share some genetics but these seem pretty un-Dacian. So likely proto-Romanians and Albanians were somewhere in Central Balkans living next to each other for some period of time.
Some Romanian linguists also pushed for this so they could prove that they are descended of romanized Dacians (Romanian substrate words shared with Albanian => Albanian = Dacian => Romanians descend of Dacians.)
I am being very objective when I say that CTS9320 corresponds very well with with the Gava culture and that this culture was also proto-Dacian/proto-Thracian. I did not mention most of E-V13, you seem to generalize overly. Maybe some clades such as clades of FGC11450 might have some case there, but most others simply do not have a case. Gava culture elements who among others caused the Late Bronze Age collapse from the Hungarian/Slovakians areas reached Albania, Asia Minor/Troy, Northern Greece... And TMRCA of CTS9320 corresponds very well to it. I used to think Basarabi was more likely but TMRCA doesn't correspond so well nor do the migratory paths (possibly some Gava elements later were part of some Basarab movements).
Most of V13 can't have anything to do with Gava culture in a formative sense.
Ah I see finally the Albanian cousin of Bjelopavlici appeared. So both Kuqi and Palbardhi have some close matches in Albanians as onomastics clearly indicate. Kuqi had 50 % + of Albanian names in 1485 whereas although Bjelopavlici had few, the name of their ancestor was very unusual for Slavic standards: "white Paul", the names involving white were alot more common in Albanians as is this construction of surname with two persons (usually son and father).