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    Distance to: TorzioK9
    1.28074197 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.50930269 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    3.31593124 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    3.32786718 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    3.43620430 R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    5.63324063 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.66551573 R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    6.91682008 R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    7.28159323 R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    7.82549679 R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.69916088 R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.77524359 R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.43251292 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.04025896 R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    10.08766574 R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
    10.80318472 R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    11.32387743 R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
    11.76280579 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    12.00892168 R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    12.16599359 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    12.23213800 R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    12.26711050 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    12.54048245 R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
    12.56047770 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    13.13749976 R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna



    95.4 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.6 R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    Target: TorzioK9
    Distance: 0.7928% / 0.79280683 | ADC: 0.25x
    88.6 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.2 R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    4.2 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro

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    My Dod K9


    3.97118370 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.45486022 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    5.50997278 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    5.70994746 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    5.84058216 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.85994027 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.72451485 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    6.92312068 R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    7.42118589 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.56813716 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    9.43442102 R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    9.47867079 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    10.28306375 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    10.82091031 R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    11.00523512 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    11.13513359 R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    11.28965899 R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    11.60294359 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    11.74901272 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    11.80821324 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    12.08486243 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    12.34412816 R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    12.39586625 R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    12.70332634 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    12.80487798 R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Target: Stuvanèodecad_World9
    Distance: 0.4604% / 0.46036678 | ADC: 0.25x

    43.0 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    32.4 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    23.6 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    1.0 R16_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado

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    Here is a list that links all of the versions of the test, thus far:

    Dodecad K12b

    Dodecad K7b


    Dodecad World9

    MDLP K16

    Eurogenes K15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here is a list that links all of the versions of the test, thus far:

    Dodecad K12b

    Dodecad K7b


    Dodecad World9

    MDLP K16

    Eurogenes K15

    thanks jovialis for all hard work

    my mdlp k16 ancient ( anatolia_chl )

    Distance to: adam
    13.77152134 Anatolia_ChL
    15.52554669 Armenia_ChL
    16.41200475 HungaryGamba_MBA.SG
    17.60146869 Balkan-LBA
    19.20436409 Bell_Beaker
    19.44843696 Armenia_MLBA
    19.80089897 Armenia-LBA
    21.01398344 Anatolian-Neolithic
    21.94831656 British-Roman
    22.01596466 Armenia-MBA
    22.25653612 Anatolia_Neolithic_1d_rel_I0736
    22.26118146 Iran_recent
    22.41621734 Anatolia_Neolithic
    24.25894886 Levant_N
    24.78798096 Levant_BA
    25.33708744 GermanStuttgart_LBK
    25.65137033 Iran_Lor
    25.86119487 Armenia_EBA
    25.92688952 Iran-IronAge
    26.63887010 Maros.SG
    27.90224185 Unetice
    28.58993179 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland.SG
    29.34659094 Tyrolean_Iceman
    29.34693340 Bell_Beaker_Germany.SG
    29.61229137 Vatya.SG

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    Here are my results for all of the calculators. Dodecad K7b gives me the best fits; Eurogenes K15 gives me the worst.


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    Jovialis: Nice presentation. Glad you did this, got me away from the Covid-19 forums. In post 122, you demonstrated, empirically by analyzing the data, that Dodecad GlobeB and Dodecad 12B out performed Eurogenes K36 in terms of how well those models performed vs. the Sample Plots from Antionio/Moots et al 2019 Figure 2. Looking at your results above, it seems again the 3 Dodecad Models (K7B, World9, and K12B) and also MDLP16 all provide better fits than Eurogenes K15.

    My results are very similar to yours. Dodecad 7B ( my post #118) provides best fits (closest distance is 0.839, 0.25X=0.167%), Dodecad World9 (my post 123) next (closest distance 1.10, 0.25X 0.1789%), Dodecad K12B (post 82) is next (single distance 2.59 0.25X=0.6595%), MDLP16 (post 117) is next (single distance 2.96, 0.25X=0.9581%) and then finally Eurogenes K15 (post 102) is next (single distance 5.54, 0.25X=1.027%).

    From following others posters who are either Italians (from various regions) or Americans of Italian ancestry (from various regions) or Australians of Italian ancestry, etc, it seems that all seem to get better fits with the Dodecad models, MDLP seems intermediate and the Eurogenes Models provide the worst fits for people with Italian ancestry from somewhere in Italy's 20 Regions. So obviously this to me raises questions, why is that? 2) Hypothetically, do people who have no significant Italian ancestry get better fits with the Eurogenes Models when using the Ancient Roman Samples from Antionio/Moots et al 2019.

    Finally, referring back to your post #122, which you did model fitting test vs. Antonio et al 2019 Figure 2 plots using Eurogenes K36, Dodecad K12B and Dodecad Globe13, what are the best performing models when you also include Dodecad 7B, Dodecad World9, MDLP16 and Eurogenes K15 vs Antonio et al 2019 Figure 2 plots. In my opinion, that would provide a neat analysis to see which of these models not only provide the best fits and rank them 1 to 7, but then go to the more statistical type questions with respect to Why? Sampling errors on part of Researcher which could bias parameter estimates or weights in this case for each reference population, variable measurement issues, etc.

    Being here for as long as I have been and reading some of the post about views held by some who post over at Eurogenes Blog (I am not a member there for the record), some posters who use to post here (no longer do), I have my ex ante priors on why Eurogenes Models provide poorer fits for people of Italian ancestry relative to Antonio et al 2019 Figure 2 results, but I will keep them to myself and hope that Advisors like yourself, or others (Angela) might provide some insight on it.

    Regardless and In summary, it is clear the Dodecad Models from it seems all here with Italian ancestry from somewhere in Italy's 20 regions provide good fits. Eurogenes models, not so much.
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    Fwiw, Dodecad 7b and World 9 have always given me the best fits, 2+, versus Eurogenes, for example, 6+. That's one of the measures of the "accuracy" of a calculator, isn't it, to simplify? How close are the fits for people with all four grandparents from one area?

    K7b
    5.71735953 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    5.72271789 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.11417206 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.25399073 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.34234184 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    6.88899848 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    7.14289857 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    7.36155554 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    7.63729664 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.95746191 R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.15919114 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    8.27842980 R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    9.02724210 R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.27778673 R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    10.93756829 R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    11.64678926 R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    11.70927410 R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    11.98543282 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    12.05152687 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    12.30417002 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    12.46123188 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    12.66295779 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    12.85353259 R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
    12.91390723 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    13.16484713 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

    My fits with Iron Age samples are closer for both.

    World 9
    5.02847890 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.31779089 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    5.74825191 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    5.75670044 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    5.93833310 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    6.35736581 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.83714122 R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    7.53388346 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    7.61102490 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.72309523 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    8.52307456 R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    9.56302776 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    10.29455196 R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.74582244 R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    11.09371444 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    11.17668108 R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    11.30177862 R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    11.50442089 R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    11.78722614 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    11.95373582 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    12.12062705 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    12.49628745 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    12.56839687 R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    12.60475307 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    12.72669635 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi

    MDLP K16:This is quite different, with the order switching markedly.
    4.68238187 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    7.31528537 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    7.31931691 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    7.37836703 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.40014865 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    7.52842613 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.76057076 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    8.78867453 R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.82384270 R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    9.51737884 R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.62693098 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    9.72965056 R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
    10.14348066 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    10.22912508 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.42451438 R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.44830130 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    10.46038240 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.61404730 R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    10.61711825 R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.72111468 R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    11.05460085 R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
    11.18515087 R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    11.72047781 R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    11.76762083 R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    11.91373577 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche

    K12b-just for the heck of it I used the vahaduo ancients K12b list updated by Jovialis, but you can still see where the "Roman" samples start. See what I mean about Roman Iron Age?

    I wonder if with K7b and World 8 I'd be even closer to those Balkan samples, or maybe Szolad.

    Well, this is getting my mind off our health for a while, thanks to Jovialis.

    K12b

    5.96067110 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    5.96285167 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    6.06036303 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    6.16793320 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.20598904 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.36315173 Szolad43
    6.86379633 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    6.88215809 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    6.99657773 I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
    7.16551464 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    7.41494437 I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
    7.68900514 Collegno36
    8.12881295 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
    8.38781259 Szolad28
    8.75370207 Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
    8.85352472 Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
    8.99296392 Szolad31
    9.00708055 Collegno23
    9.01179227 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.05183407 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    9.10498215 R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    9.23041169 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
    9.25520934 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    9.31019871 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    9.40529638 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


    K15...much, much, much worse for the majority of them
    Distance to: Angela
    6.23683413 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    10.08218230 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    10.37367341 BronzAgeBalkan
    10.70144850 Vucedol_I3499
    10.81427298 EMBA_Croatia_I4331
    11.41200245 ScythianMoldova_SCY197
    12.63404527 BronzeAgeDalmatian_I4332
    13.02699121 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    13.44933827 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    14.74471431 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    15.66575884 IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    15.74114672 Bavaria_STR310
    15.76888075 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    16.55643681 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    16.60224684 IA_Ardea_R851
    18.01145469 IronAgeBalkan
    18.58877080 Scythian_SCY311
    18.68457385 IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    18.91148857 IA_Civitavecchia_R475
    19.53576208 MedievalHungarian_DA199
    20.00811835 Mycenaean_I9041
    22.34370829 BR2_Hungary
    23.08357425 NorthItalian_HGDP01171
    23.51881800 IA_Ardea_R850
    23.68841278 Crimean_Goth_KER1

    Enough with the Eurogenes calculators, I think.

    Stuvane, I think we're closer together on K7b.

    Salento, I think you're a time traveling Imperial Era Roman. :)


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    Here is the Dodecad K12b PCA, with Roman samples, Modern Italian, and West Eurasian samples.


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    ... the Calculators:


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    ^^Once again, for you, Angela, and myself, Eurogenes gives the worst fits by a relatively significant margin. The fact that both Dodecad calculators, and MLDP K16 give better fits seems to make Eurogenes the odd man out...

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    i did a mistake lol
    i should have run the roman samples not the general ancients
    this is my mdlp k16 ancient jovialis roman samples results :
    Distance to: adam
    3.57931558 R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    3.83826784 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    4.21292060 R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.44692028 R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
    4.86928126 R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.03288188 R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.23046843 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.30051884 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.46217905 R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    5.51191437 R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    5.70368302 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.90371917 R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.91356069 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    5.92687945 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    5.96477996 R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    5.96699254 R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    5.98993322 R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    6.01954317 R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    6.08649324 R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    6.23221469 R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    6.48316281 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    6.57984802 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    6.60778329 R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.77631906 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.93431323 R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

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    k15 ancient with jovialis roman samples

    Distance to: adam
    6.51698550 R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.87621989 R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    7.11559555 R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    7.47608186 R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    7.49120818 R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    7.62566063 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.80150626 R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    8.09692534 R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.37169636 R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.45464961 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.47731679 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    8.57275918 R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.62985516 R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    8.81258191 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    9.09290933 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    9.10539950 R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    9.10875952 R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    9.33809938 R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    9.95745449 R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    9.97565537 R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    10.00501874 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.13111544 R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    10.18690336 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    10.19545487 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    10.21143966 R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
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    k13 ancient ( with the updated roman samples of jovialis now IA ardea outlier and the mixed crusader distance 8
    at the bottom
    and i am much more closer to R136 and R114)
    Distance to: adam
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    5.39849979 R114_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    5.78741739 R54_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    5.88250797 R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    6.49955383 R1548_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    6.67195623 R117_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    6.67275805 R58_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    6.73824903 R53_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    6.91471619 R56_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    7.27629714 R64_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    7.32000000 R50_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    7.46088467 R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    7.53130799 R35_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    7.74080099 R60_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    7.81662331 R436_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    8.03706414 R835_Marche_Roman_Imperial
    8.19008547 Crusader_SI53_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_
    8.21566187 R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    8.53481693 R59_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    8.64140614 R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    8.68650102 R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    8.73009164 R57_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    8.79382738 R1290_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    8.79715295 R65_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    8.87071023 R850_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Iron_Age

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    ^I didn't create coordinates for Eurogenes K13. I don't know who is the author of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    ^I didn't create coordinates for Eurogenes K13. I don't know who is the author of these.
    ok my mistake ....
    maybe lukasz ......

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    I think that is probably right.

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    Dod K12b - Default vs Post#66 :


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    Crusader Knight SI-53
    Dod K12 from Ĵovialis’ Post-#66 + §alento_Me :)


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    Happy Dies Romana :)

    21 April 753 BC ... 🐺 Romulus founded Rome ...

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    Happy Dies Romana :)

    21 April 753 BC ...  Romulus founded Rome ...
    Happy Birthday Rome, the Eternal City.


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