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Thread: Ancient Rome Test (Various Calculators)

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    The top 50 of my Greek friend
    Distance to: Chris
    4.63219171 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.05022772 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    5.34406213 Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.56840193 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.62346868 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    5.64285389 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    5.82512661 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    6.12218915 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.14947152 Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.29856333 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.30786018 Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    6.48573049 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    6.92205172 Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.99639907 Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.29782844 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    7.37931569 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    7.43180328 Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.45076506 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.91697543 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    8.10577572 Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    8.11352574 Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    8.19114766 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    8.21347673 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    8.26273562 Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    8.31496843 Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolc e
    8.39031585 Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    8.43552014 Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    8.56914815 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    8.95088264 Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    9.02840517 Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.02989479 Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    9.06676348 Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    9.30049999 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocel le_Necropolis
    9.39606833 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monter otondo
    9.90082320 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    9.98170827 Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    10.02900294 Mediterranean_C6:R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    10.08904852 Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    11.48795456 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
    11.49811289 Mediterranean_C6:R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    11.54598199 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    11.76225744 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sa cra_Necropolis
    11.77427705 Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    11.93876459 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_ del_Dolce
    12.01854817 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R133_Imperial_Era_Marcell ino_&_Pietro
    12.23118555 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1545_Imperial_Era_Necrop olis_of_Monte_Agnese
    12.27457942 Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    12.54284657 Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    12.63040775 Mediterranean_C6:R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    12.75455213 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1543_Imperial_Era_Necrop olis_of_Monte_Agnese

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    Jovialis how do you know
    R136 and R1544 are in the c6 cluster
    and not the in the C5 east -med cluster?

    Dont think they cluster with tuscans or greeks
    More with sicily shouldn't they be in the c5 cluster instead ?

    Kind regards
    Adam
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FGC7391/

    https://yfull.com/mtree/H3ap/

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    Nor really the best fit compared to you guys.
    I wonder if Jovialis could do more of these, they are really fun. Kudos Jovialis.


    Distance to: Archetype0ne
    8.17841672 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    9.49043202 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    10.45319090 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    10.97280730 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    11.19476217 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    11.64425180 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    11.90423874 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    12.11107757 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    12.14406028 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    12.24889791 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    12.34779333 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    12.57198075 R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    13.49002965 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    13.56204631 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    13.59329614 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    13.62363021 R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    13.72950473 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    14.07759923 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    14.42007628 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    14.78462039 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    14.79541145 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    14.97120570 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    15.17480807 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    15.25957404 R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    15.27694014 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


    Target: Archetype0ne
    Distance: 1.0602% / 1.06020438
    40.2 R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    20.0 R15_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    17.8 R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    9.0 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    6.0 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.2 R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    2.8 R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


    Target Distance | ADC: 1x R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    Archetype0ne 6.87135240 79.0 21.0
    Average 6.87135240 79.0 21.0
    RESET SORTINGCOPY TABLE AS CSVCOPY TABLE AS TSV



    Target Distance | ADC: 0.5x R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    Archetype0ne 5.77328434 33.6 41.6 24.8
    Average 5.77328434 33.6 41.6 24.8
    RESET SORTINGCOPY TABLE AS CSVCOPY TABLE AS TSV



    Target Distance | ADC: 0.25x R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna R1551_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    Archetype0ne 3.60369635 3.2 11.8 68.6 16.4
    Average 3.60369635 3.2 11.8 68.6 16.4
    RESET SORTINGCOPY TABLE AS CSVCOPY TABLE AS TSV



    Target Distance R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza R15_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    Archetype0ne 1.05915256 9.4 18.4 3.4 5.8 20.6 39.8 2.6
    Average 1.05915256 9.4 18.4 3.4 5.8 20.6 39.8 2.6






    Target: Archetype0ne
    Distance: 1.0602% / 1.06020438
    40.2 R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    20.0 R15_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    17.8 R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    9.0 R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza
    6.0 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.2 R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    2.8 R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
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    2 members found this post helpful.
    @King John,

    R66 and R1544 are in C6, if you look at page 67 of the supplement, and compare it to Figure 4.

    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...Antonio_SM.pdf


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Jovialis how do you know
    R136 and R1544 are in the c6 cluster
    and not the in the C5 east -med cluster?

    Dont think they cluster with tuscans or greeks
    More with sicily shouldn't they be in the c5 cluster instead ?

    Kind regards
    Adam
    I think Sicily sits in the C6 to C5 cluster. Look at my results above in post 195. I think i am pretty representative of someone whose ancestors are all from there and in particular West to Northwest Sicily. I think out of 44 distances < 10, 42 are in the C6 cluster and 2 in the C5.

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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Also, all southern Italians, including Sicilians are in the C6 cluster. Though there is some overlap between C6 (Mediterranean) and C5 (Eastern Mediterranean) in the more southernly areas, which Sicily plots in.


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    Thanks for clarification
    As western jew i cluster with sicily
    So samples who are close to modern
    Sicilians are in c6.....
    Than the results look logic in my case...

    P.s
    To be in c5 cluster is also not bad😂
    With the R850 outlier that would
    Be cool😎

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I am solidly Mediterranean:

    Here is my results for the "Single" tab:



    100% Mediterranean

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Thanks for clarification
    As western jew i cluster with sicily
    So samples who are close to modern
    Sicilians are in c6.....
    Than the results look logic in my case...

    P.s
    To be in c5 cluster is also not bad������
    With the R850 outlier that would
    Be cool������
    Kingjohn: Here are those Different samples from Sicily, Calabria, and Abruzzo that you had GED match Kit numbers for. I ran the Dodecad 12B coordinates for these samples against Jovialis updated ancient Roman samples categorized by Clusters in the Antonio et al 2019 study. All the Sicilian samples, and the others, Calabria, Abruzzo_Calabria are consistent with what Jovialis stated above, they are in the C6 Cluster in general with some overlap with the C5 in terms of distances (top 25 for each presented).


    Distance to: Cosenza_Calabria_A619640
    3.16461688 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monter otondo
    4.19580743 Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    4.24897635 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    4.34978160 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
    4.48571065 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.52583694 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sa cra_Necropolis
    4.53180979 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1543_Imperial_Era_Necrop olis_of_Monte_Agnese
    4.57582779 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    4.67221575 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    4.70605992 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    4.81831921 Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolc e
    4.91513988 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R134_Imperial_Era_Marcell ino_&_Pietro
    4.95320099 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    5.24060111 Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    5.28101316 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    5.33511012 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R133_Imperial_Era_Marcell ino_&_Pietro
    5.54936032 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocel le_Necropolis
    5.67011464 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    5.98447993 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_ del_Dolce
    6.08019737 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1545_Imperial_Era_Necrop olis_of_Monte_Agnese
    6.45913307 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Ro ssini_Necropolis
    6.52197823 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.22629919 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    7.58020448 Near_Eastern_C4:R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necro polis
    7.68154281 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Distance to: Crotone_Calabria_A172427
    3.44792691 Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.65147915 Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    3.91752473 Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    3.99942496 Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.12491212 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    4.34368507 Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    4.51799734 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.56737342 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    4.62002164 Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.77120530 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.88419901 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    4.90174459 Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.05906118 Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.26587125 Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.34659705 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    5.37869873 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    5.39382981 Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    5.51335651 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.77654741 Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    5.79090666 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.60071966 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    6.63473436 Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    6.67964819 Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    6.73063147 Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.74891843 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro


    Distance to: ReggioCalabria_A405665
    3.88114674 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    4.18393356 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    4.27933406 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.45779093 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.75788819 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocel le_Necropolis
    4.84873179 Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    5.04661273 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    5.19951921 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    5.24674185 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    5.48764977 Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    5.51059888 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.75431143 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    6.06139423 Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolc e
    6.09113290 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R133_Imperial_Era_Marcell ino_&_Pietro
    6.11650227 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    6.14455043 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    6.19475585 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.51932512 Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.53791251 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Ro ssini_Necropolis
    6.54631194 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.69229408 Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    6.78550661 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    6.81174721 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sa cra_Necropolis
    6.91786094 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    6.95885766 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monter otondo


    Distance to: Mammola_ReggioCalabria_T476333
    3.98327754 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    4.67069588 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.77341597 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    5.37688572 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    5.38644595 Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    5.42630629 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    5.49657166 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.66190781 Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.69363680 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.81634765 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.13541360 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    6.21383939 Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    6.31426955 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    6.33550314 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    6.40771410 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.86911202 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocel le_Necropolis
    6.89139318 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    7.08699513 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    7.11529339 Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    7.66018277 Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    7.66045038 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    7.85674233 Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.89930377 Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.09504169 Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    8.14583329 Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Distance to: Abruzzo_Calabria_A454745
    2.12934262 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.15705818 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    2.41404225 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.66137183 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    2.78102499 Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.79664084 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    2.99993333 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.08042205 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    3.52603176 Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.70584673 Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.83253180 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.86462159 Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.98682831 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    4.22994090 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    4.31798564 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.34129013 Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    4.62334295 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    4.64289780 Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    4.86463770 Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    4.98403451 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    5.18506509 Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    5.19853826 Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.26713395 Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    5.33265412 Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.41006469 Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


    Distance to: Messina_A538499
    2.98357169 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    4.04738187 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.39646449 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    4.82463470 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.94406715 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    4.98528836 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    5.26344944 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    5.32155992 Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    5.33456652 Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    5.45550181 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    5.57937272 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.65507736 Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolc e
    5.66977072 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.90506562 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    5.99978333 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.14913002 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    6.18519199 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    6.35416399 Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    6.38061909 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    6.51322501 Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    6.68178120 Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.82364272 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocel le_Necropolis
    7.09143850 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sa cra_Necropolis
    7.15770215 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monter otondo
    7.36870409 Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Distance to: Messina_A482096
    3.43323463 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    3.80947503 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.26012911 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.49189270 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    4.71256830 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    4.77467276 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    4.79867690 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocel le_Necropolis
    4.90263195 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.14256745 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    5.26830143 Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.79174412 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    5.81307148 Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.86319879 Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    5.91985642 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.09678604 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    6.32834101 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    6.40827590 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    6.46026315 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.52236154 Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.60192396 Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    6.69144977 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    6.93618771 Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolc e
    7.02274163 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
    7.04855304 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monter otondo
    7.10207716 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto


    Distance to: Caltanisseta_M090932
    5.36887325 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.42023985 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.42705261 Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    5.52481674 Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    5.69253898 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    5.92846523 Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    5.96866819 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    6.08957306 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    6.13035072 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    6.58990136 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.59738585 Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.66288976 Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.68940954 Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.72917528 Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolc e
    7.05588407 Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.10007746 Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    7.10309792 Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    7.10775633 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    7.14509622 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocel le_Necropolis
    7.19002782 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    7.25339231 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    7.26486751 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.73100252 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    7.91598383 Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    7.93307633 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Distance to: Catania_M041450
    3.68515943 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    3.71366396 Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    3.91090782 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.13464630 Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    4.29366976 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    4.37314532 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    4.85454426 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.97560047 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    5.14786363 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.20950094 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    5.22500718 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    5.39546106 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.52980108 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    5.61261080 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    5.64622883 Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    5.77557789 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.87122645 Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.05956269 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    6.16176923 Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    6.21413711 Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    6.39032081 Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.91858367 Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolc e
    7.07679306 Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    7.16255541 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    7.22656903 Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Distance to: Catania_M164106
    2.87325599 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    2.99856632 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    3.15933537 Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.67392161 Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    4.03741254 Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    4.23549289 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.27604958 Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolc e
    4.44571704 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    4.76298226 Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    5.37326716 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Pai siello_Necropolis
    5.54708933 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocel le_Necropolis
    5.62020462 Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    5.63458960 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.67490969 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monter otondo
    5.71131333 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.77026862 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    5.79624879 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.79639543 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    5.98419585 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R133_Imperial_Era_Marcell ino_&_Pietro
    5.99478106 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sa cra_Necropolis
    6.14264601 Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    6.19079155 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    6.34692839 Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis
    6.57227510 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    6.72741406 Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


    Distance to: Trapani_T303793
    3.21393839 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    3.84751868 Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    4.11891976 Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    4.20238028 Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.36500859 Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    4.38295562 Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    4.61000000 Mediterranean_C6:R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    5.16750423 Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    5.39495134 Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.52713307 Mediterranean_C6:R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    5.53163629 Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    5.64255261 Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.73832728 Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.74099295 Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    5.93786157 Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    6.03889063 Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    6.06861599 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    6.11342784 Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    6.15920449 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    6.19154262 Mediterranean_C6:R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    6.36434600 Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    6.51709291 Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.65744696 Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    7.02341085 Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.15350963 Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necro polis

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    Thanks palermo trapani informative 😉
    Yes most of them in c6 cluster and the 2 who
    Are more close to c5 cluster ( 1 catanian sample + 1 cosenza)
    Are also extremely close to c6....

    P.s
    It is amazing how dieneks created this calculator few years ago...
    And it is still relevant to academic papers👍

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    KingJohn: It is the best one I have seen for me in terms of how it matches with ancient samples. I think Jovialis demonstrated in a comparison of the models the Dodecad converges with the Ancient Roman samples in Antonio et al 2019 better than any other models. No, thank you for providing those gedmatch kits in an earlier thread this summer. It helped my corroborate that my own results are in line with modern Italians in Sicily, Calabria and Abruzzo.

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    1 members found this post helpful.
    @PT ... got the message ... :)

    @ Jovialis ... thanks

    ... 23andme V5:




    Combined:

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    1 members found this post helpful.
    As I figured, I'm a mix of mom and dad...

    Distance to: Angela
    6.16793320 Mediterranean_C6:R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.20598904 Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.88215809 Mediterranean_C6:R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    9.01179227 Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.10498215 European_C7:R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    9.25520934 Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    9.40529638 Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    9.43736722 European_C7:R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    9.62268674 European_C7:R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    9.77213385 European_C7:R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.80181106 European_C7:R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicu ro
    10.29759195 Mediterranean_C6:R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    10.75215327 European_C7:R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    10.89582948 European_C7:R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
    10.91591957 European_C7:R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    11.16737659 European_C7:R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    11.21531542 Mediterranean_C6:R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    12.66933700 Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    12.94033230 Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    13.02701424 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    13.18377791 European_C7:R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
    13.22393663 European_C7:R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    13.23101281 Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    13.78290245 Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    13.98591792 Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he


    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

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    Angela: Your pretty much centered on C6 to C7. Salento, Jovialis and I am centered on C6 with some overlap to C5.

    Seems like the C6 samples are kind of the Core anchor point with some drift in regions North of Lazio towards C7 cluster and for those south of Lazio towards C5. The other Southern Samples from the kits Kingjohn provided (post 209) follow the same pattern as Salento, Jovialis and Myself.

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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Mine:

    Distance to: italouruguayan


    14.49613397 European_C7:R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    15.10816667 European_C7:R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    15.22995404 European_C7:R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicu ro
    15.88132866 Mediterranean_C6:R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    16.09330606 European_C7:R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    16.18212285 European_C7:R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    16.54376620 European_C7:R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    16.54425278 European_C7:R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    16.80742990 European_C7:R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    16.97161159 Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    17.10969024 European_C7:R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    18.57265194 European_C7:R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    18.65686737 European_C7:R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    18.66116556 Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    18.88363313 European_C7:R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    19.00279190 Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    19.04756152 Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    19.15197901 Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    19.45814739 European_C7:R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    19.83336835 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    20.19679182 Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    20.32977127 Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    20.38448675 European_C7:R62_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    20.61857658 European_C7:R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    20.65616857 Mediterranean_C6:R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_N ecropolis
    21.06469796 Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria

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    with living dna raw data ( which overlapp in markers more with 23and me v5)

    maybe a better name for the c6 cluster instead of just med would be central- med
    Distance to: adam
    4.66567251 Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.87204269 Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.58970482 Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    5.60952761 Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.13001631 Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_ Monte_Agnese
    6.13033441 Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.20411960 Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    6.20735854 Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pi etro
    6.41811499 Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    6.77302001 Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.00799543 Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_ Cianti
    7.04564404 Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marc he
    7.07136479 Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.10638445 Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
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    Thanks for the results king john, but this kind of demonstrates the limitations of using tools like this. Western Jews are about half-near eastern, with eastern Mediterranean, and central Mediterranean admixture, as well as Slavic and/or Germanic input. Western Jews are not central Mediterranean, only partly. Sort of like the way a half-English, half-Chinese person would plot with Indians. Or an Irish person with a Korean great-grandfather would plot with Sami, it doesn't make him Sami. I think your Bulgarian ancestry is pulling you towards the position you plot in, because your Ashkenazi, combined with your Sephardic would plot you more "east".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Thanks for the results king john, but this kind of demonstrates the limitations of using tools like this. Western Jews are about half-near eastern, with eastern Mediterranean, and central Mediterranean admixture, as well as Slavic and/or Germanic input. Western Jews are not central Mediterranean, only partly. Sort of like the way a half-English, half-Chinese person would plot with Indians. Or an Irish person with a Korean great-grandfather would plot with Sami, it doesn't make him Sami. I think your Bulgarian ancestry is pulling you towards the position you plot in, because your Ashkenazi, combined with your Sephardic would plot you more "east".
    Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Some studies actually posit up to 60% non Middle Eastern Ancestry in the Ashkenazim.

    Can't wait to see classical era samples from Israel to finally get a hold on it.

    In King John's case, being one quarter Bulgarian would also affect his scores.

    It's not IBD like genetic material from Jews to Italians or Italians to Jews that makes them plot where they are; that at least has been shown in studies.

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    Another example of very different populations that just happen to plot with each other on a 2D PCA are central & south American Mestizos and South Asians, who have very different origins.


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    Vahaduo Dodecad k12b changing, in the source data, the original Roman coordinates by the new Roman Coordinates produced by Jovialis at post #191
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    @Kingjohn,

    Those Sicilian samples that Palermo asked you to post look very familiar. Are they from Sikeliot's cache and now floating around on the internet?

    I'd just advise that I wouldn't bet any money on them being randomly chosen. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    @Kingjohn,

    Those Sicilian samples that Palermo asked you to post look very familiar. Are they from Sikeliot's cache and now floating around on the internet?

    I'd just advise that I wouldn't bet any money on them being randomly chosen. :)
    Angela: I don't know where they came from, There was a thread in another forum where I think Kingjohn posted them. I have to go back and look where I first saw them. I think there was a thread where Kingjohn posted the Kit numbers and I took them and ran the Dodecad 12B coordinates to see how they compared to my own.

    Hopefully KingJohn can quickly remember which thread he first posted them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    @Kingjohn,

    Those Sicilian samples that Palermo asked you to post look very familiar. Are they from Sikeliot's cache and now floating around on the internet?

    I'd just advise that I wouldn't bet any money on them being randomly chosen. :)
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...cs+greeks+jews

    Angela: Here is where the GEDMATCH Kits were posted by Kingjohn in the thread linked above. He posted them in post #381 and I quickly ran my coordinates using Eurogenes K13, to see how these samples looked on that one, and then ran those GEDMATCH Kit numbers ok K13 and looked at there distances to Italian regions. (See my post 382).

    In post 385 Kingjohn told me they were individual samples and he also posted some Greek GEDMATCH kit numbers. I have not run those Greek samples to see how they match up with population averages.

    That is the best I can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Thanks for the results king john, but this kind of demonstrates the limitations of using tools like this. Western Jews are about half-near eastern, with eastern Mediterranean, and central Mediterranean admixture, as well as Slavic and/or Germanic input. Western Jews are not central Mediterranean, only partly. Sort of like the way a half-English, half-Chinese person would plot with Indians. Or an Irish person with a Korean great-grandfather would plot with Sami, it doesn't make him Sami. I think your Bulgarian ancestry is pulling you towards the position you plot in, because your Ashkenazi, combined with your Sephardic would plot you more "east".
    Agree with you jovialis👍
    The sefhardi+ mizrahi ancestery pulling
    Me east..
    And the bulgarian ancestery pulling me back to the center...
    I

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    Angela and palermo trapani i don't remember in which thread i posted those gedmatch kits...
    To me personally they doesn't look strange...
    There is variation in each region i remember the crotone calabria sample is more north than cosenza .. 🤔
    I think it is normal there is variation even in same region... 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Agree with you jovialis������
    The sefhardi+ mizrahi ancestery pulling
    Me east..
    And the bulgarian ancestery pulling me back to the center...
    I
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    Angela and palermo trapani i don't remember in which thread i posted those gedmatch kits...
    To me personally they doesn't look strange...
    There is variation in each region i remember the crotone calabria sample is more north than cosenza .. ������
    I think it is normal there is variation even in same region... ������
    Kingjohn: I went back and searched my own posting history and found I responded to your post 381 (my post #382) in the thread I linked in my previous post related to Genetics of Greeks and Jews, etc. I also posted in #410 of the Genetics of Greeks and Jews thread my own DNA and looked at the distances from those Gedmatch Kits you provided.

    Do you remember where you got those Kit numbers? As i noted it was Eurogenes K13 that I ran a comparison on, not Dodecad 12B in the Greek and Jewish Genetic affinity thread which again is linked in my post #223 above.

    I do remember after going back and reading some of my own comments in that thread that at some point it got a little heated and some of the discussion in that thread was later moved into the thread related to Steppe ancestry in Sicily, etc which is linked below. My memory was confirmed in that I recall some discussion about G25 models, or more so maybe sample selection issues, etc got heated and you can see where some discussion was moved from the "Greek and Jewish affinity thread" to the "Steppe and Iranian related ancestry and Mediterranean" thread.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...-Mediterranean

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