Ancient Rome Test (Various Calculators)

Jovialis: Sicily Beaker and SZ21 are both in my MTA top Bronze Age Archeological Matches, along with Otzi, who I get a Deep Dive match. So interesting that R437 has link to both of them. Has anyone ever figured out what was the ancestral makeup of the people that brought in "Steppe ancestry" into Italy. In Sicily, from Fernandes, it was introduced via Iberians with Steppe ancestry. The Bell Beaker study from Olade noted that of the 32 Bell Beakers from Iberia, 8 had Steppe (2,700-2,500 BC) which fits the timeline of 2200 BC of some individuals with Steppe coming into Sicily. I wonder if a population with similar admixture like the ancient Iberians that introduced Steppe to Sicily was the same for all of Italy. Another question that I have had is Lazaridis in one of his papers stated the Steppe Herders were roughly 60% EHG+40% Iran_Neo/CHG.

But as you are well aware of, as you have been siting the Raveane et al 2019 paper consistently (and correctly in my view) documents that even the Northern Italian regions today are about 25% or so EHG, an that is after all the Germanic invasions during the 4th and 5th centuries. Raveane et al 2019 in Figure 2 (A) those last 4 or 5 graphs indicates those populations (more Steppe related) or Steppe type ancestry have 50-60% EHG. Kılınc et al 2016 paper in their plot shows lots of the populations with Higher Steppe clustering close to EHG, nobody in their plot clusters with WHG (not surprising).

So my basic hunch is that while the Steppe folks were on 60%EHG-40%CHG/Iran_Neo, could the Proto-Italics on the Southern fringes of the Steppe been titled more CHG/Iran_NEO vs EHG, whereas the Northern fringes of the Steppe maybe a little More EHG vs CHG/Iran_Neo. None of the Iron Age Romans drift towards the Steppe Eneolithic source ancestry, where not surprisingly, Russians, Finnish, Lithuanians, Icelandic plot towards, and even English drift that way, not as far. All the Iron Age Romans drift towards Southern France and Spain but are centered in Tuscany/Northern Italy.

Am I totally off base or has someone ever thought to actually analyze what was the ancestral makeup exactly of the various proto-Italics, vs. proto-Germanics, proto-Celts, etc. Of course, it could be the average suggested by Lazaridis of roughly 60% EHG and 40% CHG/Iran_Neo is common across all the range of the Steppe migration.

You got any thoughts on this?
 
Jovialis said:
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Another interesting observation is that R437 has links to Bronze Age Hungary, and the Sicily Beaker.
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I remember numerous papers showing a strong relationship between Bronze Age Hungary and Italy.

Only some of this new ancestry came via Iberia.
 
Angela: Ok, thanks, so the Steppe ancestry and other ancestry from ancient Iberia in Sicily is likely more of a local phenomenon for that part of the Bronze Age in West Sicily, maybe it supports the some of the ancient historians theories of the Proto-Sicani coming from Iberia and the Sicani settling the Center part of the Island between the Siculi and the Elymians. I keep hoping they will find DNA from the Elymian and Sicani areas between 1800 and 1000 BC to capture those populations well enough before Pheonician Sea folks founded port cities in circa 900-800 BC and Greeks colonizing roughly the Same time starting East and moving West to Selinunte by late 7th century in SW part of modern Trapani. My Bronze Archaeological Map from MTA below.


 
"is possibly more likely".

I'm allergic to anything approaching dogmatic statements without a lot more documentary evidence, including ancient dna from more areas of Sicily and Southern Italy.
 
Angela said:
"is possibly more likely".

I'm allergic to anything approaching dogmatic statements without a lot more documentary evidence, including ancient dna from more areas of Sicily and Southern Italy.
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I totally understand the cautious statements when dealing with ancient DNA.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
I don't want to say anything 100%, but it is unlikely. My reasoning is based on the following findings from the Antonio et al 2019 paper, the Medieval Italians from their study plotted right on modern Central Italians. Here is a direct quote from the paper:


"The Medieval period and increasing ties to Europe. In the Medieval and early modern periods (n = 28 individuals), we observe an ancestry shift toward central and northern Europe in PCA (Fig. 3E), as well as a further increase in the European cluster (C7) and loss of the Near Eastern and eastern Mediterranean clusters (C4 and C5) in ChromoPainter (Fig. 4C). The Medieval population is roughly centered on modern-day central Italians (Fig. 3F)."

So reading that, those Medieval Samples that you, me included, are probably similar to people in modern Lazio or even Umbria. The Medieval samples that are closer to modern Tuscany, at least the Northern half, are in my case a little further as those from all the literature I have read drift towards Liguria and Piedmont, etc. R437 is an Iron Age Roman, so much earlier, from the Republican period. R437 is my closest Iron Age Roman. From all the folks here with ancestry from the South of Italy and Sicily, that is the Iron Age sample that everyone is closest too. Just in this thread, Jovialis and Salento (ancestors from Puglia) and me (Sicily) are close to R437. From what you reported in your post, you are as well.

Jovialis just posted earlier in the thread, he has all the G25 coordinates for the samples and he can run the plots on the samples and provide really neat graphs.
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From what I know, I actually plot closer to modern Southern Italians/Sicilians, Greek islanders and the likes. To be honest I don't prefer a northern shift, as I'm a proud South Italian, though if it were true, I'd accept it. The diversity of samples are too small, to see which ancient Italian population is closest to modern Southern Italians, though it seems the Late Antiquity Romans come closest from what I've read.

''Jovialis just posted earlier in the thread, he has all the G25 coordinates for the samples and he can run the plots on the samples and provide really neat graphs'
That'd be really awesome! I have G25 coordinates.



Naples1*
 
Dimanto Ruben said:
From what I know, I actually plot closer to modern Southern Italians/Sicilians, Greek islanders and the likes. To be honest I don't prefer a northern shift, as I'm a proud South Italian, though if it were true, I'd accept it. The diversity of samples are too small, to see which ancient Italian population is closest to modern Southern Italians, though it seems the Late Antiquity Romans come closest from what I've read.

''Jovialis just posted earlier in the thread, he has all the G25 coordinates for the samples and he can run the plots on the samples and provide really neat graphs'
That'd be really awesome! I have G25 coordinates.



Naples1*
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That PCA looks like trash TBH, and I don't have g25 coordinates . Also, it is not possible that you are close to southern Italians, if you are half-Dutch/half-South Italian. Moreover, I find your comments to be insincere and inflammatory.

This PCA is monstrously inaccurate, North Africans don't cluster between Mycenaeans. That is just stupid.

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Maybe this fallacious PCA is acceptable at Anthrogenica, but not in a place where people are concerned with facts.
 
He's just the newest sock of our erstwhile theapricity/anthrogenica members.

He sent me a picture of himself years ago obviously photoshopped into an Italian scene to prove he was European.

A week or so ago he sent me the same picture photoshopped on a different background. Who know where he got the picture; maybe some innocent person on facebook.

See, that's the problem with having so many sock accounts, and having posted tens of thousands of comments and sent so many messages as a sock: you lose track!:LOL:
 
Here is yet another update to the Ancient Rome Test, and probably the most interesting. This time I was able to identify the Haplotype sharing between the modern and ancient samples.

I did this by reconciling the information in Figure 4, and page 67 in the supplemental information of Antonio M. et al 2019.

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This is for the Dodecad K12b version, and the format should work with the new Vahaduo PCA feature, to organize them into groups:

Code: 
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Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina,9.6,0,1.82,0.43,26.49,13.28,0.49,0,12.29,0,35.59,0
Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
European_C7:R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0,20.17,0.34
European_C7:R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia,7.14,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
North_African_C3:R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.7,0.42
Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche,8.06,0.47,2.84,1.58,30.3,16.15,0,0,10.89,0,29.71,0
Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche,8.69,0,0.99,0,30.95,15.55,0,0,10.4,0,33.42,0
Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R850_Iron_Age_Ardea,7.3,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.1,0
European_C7:R851_Iron_Age_Ardea,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti,6.45,0.25,0.99,0,30.4,17.81,0.65,1.1,11.67,0,30.67,0
Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti,9.25,0,5.12,0.53,29.32,18.41,0,0,7.11,0,30.25,0.01
Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti,8.17,0.16,2.94,0,28.76,15.28,0,0,10.56,0.15,33.57,0.4
Sardinian/Neolithic_C2:R1014_Chalcolithic_Monte_San_Biagio,0,0,4.04,0,62.82,4.57,0,0,10.06,0,18.52,0
European_C7:R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia,1.56,0.19,2.85,0.26,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
European_C7:R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.1,0
European_C7:R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica,2.11,0,1.96,0.6,47.7,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
European_C7:R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,5.41,1.1,0.62,0,33.71,41.27,0.26,1.03,1.96,0,14.64,0
European_C7:R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,8.3,0,1.95,0,35.89,34.62,0.22,0,4.39,0.47,13.32,0.82
European_C7:R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,8.1,0,2.34,0.49,37.74,30.14,1.07,0,5.02,0.51,14.57,0
European_C7:R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,8.22,0,0.3,0,39.76,31.51,1.23,0.65,3.29,0,14.75,0.29
Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,4.58,0,1.73,0,34.27,18.15,0,0.08,11.02,0,29.41,0.75
Mediterranean_C6:R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,3.81,0,0.85,0,37.37,17.26,1.47,0.56,9.42,0.11,28.92,0.22
European_C7:R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,7.61,0,0,0,35.1,45.43,0,0.12,2.1,1.05,8.35,0.24
Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,4.06,0.07,3.1,0.26,36.74,17.09,0,0.92,9.04,0,28.72,0
European_C7:R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,4.3,0.07,0,0.33,37.75,41.25,0,0.99,2.37,1.76,10.76,0.43
European_C7:R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria,5.78,0,1.08,0,47.4,25.74,1.87,0.62,4.57,0.14,12.29,0.5
Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna,6.3,0,1.09,0.34,30.16,15.96,0.27,0,12.04,0.09,32.81,0.93
Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese,8.61,0,6.43,0,21.01,9.18,0.27,0.24,15.01,0.04,39.07,0.15
Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese,9.52,0.56,2.18,0,26.06,13.98,0,0,12.91,0,34.79,0
Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese,7.66,0,1.16,0.13,25.08,8.12,1.02,0.68,15.23,0,40.91,0.01
Near_Eastern_C4:R1547_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo,8.11,0,5.71,0.6,17.28,0,0.11,1.9,23.95,0,42.35,0
Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo,10.45,0,1.98,0,23.44,10.87,0,0.17,13.89,0,39.2,0
Mediterranean_C6:R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo,9.97,0,3.98,0.04,27.49,20.49,0,0.96,10.94,0.05,26.09,0
Near_Eastern_C4:R1550_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo,12.14,0,7.34,0.46,14.89,1.07,0,1.17,23.92,0.34,38.67,0
Near_Eastern_C4:R1551_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo,14.46,0,0.14,0,10.32,4.49,0,0.8,14.76,0,54.71,0.33
 
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Distance to:Duarte
7.79453013European_C7:R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.99556557European_C7:R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
9.16999455European_C7:R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.68139453European_C7:R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
10.28605367European_C7:R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.34106861European_C7:R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
10.82306796European_C7:R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.96510374European_C7:R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
11.94945605European_C7:R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
12.09081883European_C7:R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
12.32520588European_C7:R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
12.86464535European_C7:R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
13.07808090European_C7:R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
13.33321042European_C7:R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
13.34837443European_C7:R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
13.42806390European_C7:R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
14.71843402European_C7:R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
14.83051247European_C7:R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
14.89532813European_C7:R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
14.94539728European_C7:R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
15.29262240European_C7:R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
15.69844897European_C7:R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
18.45438430European_C7:R62_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
18.80636594Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
19.45696019Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria

 
Distance to:adam
3.30708331Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
3.49104569Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
4.61632971Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.68362039Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
4.75920161Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.95236307Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.03863077Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.11934566Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.58374426Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.93626987Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.42969673Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
6.58944611Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.64663073Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.06589697Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.10295713Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.28116749Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.35566448Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.45313357Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
7.53091628Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.54059016Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.90899488Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.94520610Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.97989348Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.02450622Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.26396999Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis

jovialis great work as usuall (y)
have some c5 here and there but in k12b
my closest are 2 individuals who belong to c6 the med- cluster :)

p.s
durate you european to the bone with the c7 cluster :cool-v:
 
Jovialis: Great work again. Well done. Solid Med here as well, distances < 10.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
2.59038607Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.76190152Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.27177322Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.34701359Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
3.84983117Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.10471680Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
4.16370028Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.18976133Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
4.32090268Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.54783465Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.57668002Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.82952379Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.83867751Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.03103369Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
5.10995108Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.30245226Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.32897739Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.43089311Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.46635162Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.50746766Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.68175149Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.70777540Mediterranean_C6:R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.90403252Mediterranean_C6:R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.04601522Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
6.21821518Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.46672251Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
6.74800711Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
6.76732591Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.77646663Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.20115963Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.28579440Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.62057741Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.11539894Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.21912404Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
8.36581735Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.85745449Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
9.01662354Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.08267582Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.08880080Mediterranean_C6:R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.26807963Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.42151262Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
9.94731119Mediterranean_C6:R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.97097789Mediterranean_C6:R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
10.00080497Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Jovialis: Great work again. Well done. Solid Med here as well, distances < 10.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
2.59038607Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.76190152Mediterranean_C6:R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.27177322Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.34701359Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
3.84983117Mediterranean_C6:R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.10471680Mediterranean_C6:R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
4.16370028Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.18976133Mediterranean_C6:R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
4.32090268Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.54783465Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.57668002Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.82952379Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.83867751Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.03103369Mediterranean_C6:R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
5.10995108Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.30245226Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.32897739Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.43089311Mediterranean_C6:R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.46635162Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.50746766Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.68175149Mediterranean_C6:R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.70777540Mediterranean_C6:R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.90403252Mediterranean_C6:R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.04601522Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
6.21821518Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.46672251Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
6.74800711Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
6.76732591Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.77646663Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.20115963Mediterranean_C6:R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.28579440Mediterranean_C6:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.62057741Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.11539894Mediterranean_C6:R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.21912404Mediterranean_C6:R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
8.36581735Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.85745449Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
9.01662354Mediterranean_C6:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.08267582Mediterranean_C6:R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.08880080Mediterranean_C6:R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.26807963Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.42151262Mediterranean_C6:R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
9.94731119Mediterranean_C6:R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.97097789Mediterranean_C6:R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
10.00080497Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
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Hello Trapani. Among the Italics, I am in the cluster between Northern Italy and Iberia. :) Very accurate. Thanks Jovialis.
 
kingjohn said:
Distance to:adam
3.30708331Mediterranean_C6:R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
3.49104569Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
4.61632971Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.68362039Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
4.75920161Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.95236307Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.03863077Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.11934566Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.58374426Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.93626987Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.42969673Mediterranean_C6:R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
6.58944611Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
6.64663073Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.06589697Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.10295713Mediterranean_C6:R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.28116749Mediterranean_C6:R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.35566448Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.45313357Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
7.53091628Mediterranean_C6:R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.54059016Mediterranean_C6:R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.90899488Eastern_Mediterranean_C5:R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.94520610Mediterranean_C6:R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
7.97989348Mediterranean_C6:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.02450622Mediterranean_C6:R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.26396999Mediterranean_C6:R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis

jovialis great work as usuall (y)
have some c5 here and there but in k12b
my closest are 2 individuals who belong to c6 the med- cluster :)

p.s
durate you european to the bone with the c7 cluster :cool-v:
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Hi KingJohn. Between Italics and Iberians (y) Cheers (y)
 
Duarte: Good job, that seems to be consistent with what you have been reporting on all your other results from other DNA tools. Very accurate and again, Jovialis did a great job categorizing the data that way. It is very accurate for me as well.
 
Distance to:Carlos
3.23232115European_C7:R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.54412301European_C7:R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
5.61196935European_C7:R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.41692659European_C7:R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.17836169European_C7:R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
9.10872658European_C7:R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.13509715European_C7:R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
9.37802218European_C7:R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.39497206European_C7:R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.79244607European_C7:R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
9.93771100European_C7:R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.31828959European_C7:R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
10.40655563European_C7:R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
10.71094300European_C7:R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
10.88487483European_C7:R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
10.89503098European_C7:R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
 
The top 50 of my Greek friend
Distance to:Chris
4.63219171Mediterranean_C6:R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.05022772Mediterranean_C6:R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.34406213Mediterranean_C6:R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.56840193Mediterranean_C6:R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.62346868Mediterranean_C6:R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
5.64285389Mediterranean_C6:R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.82512661Mediterranean_C6:R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
6.12218915Mediterranean_C6:R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.14947152Mediterranean_C6:R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.29856333Mediterranean_C6:R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
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