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Dodecad K12b Italian samples vs Antonio et al 2019 samples:
This comparison doesn't make so much sense. You're comparing the results of the samples in an amateur old tool (K12b) with the study that has analized and released these samples.
Ok, Help from my Fellow Americans of Italian ancestry. I have only been on GEDMATCH about 1 month and I am a "Commoner" at Eupedia. Can someone provide a little more clarification on the instructions that Angela gave in the Original post. I would like to run my raw DNA from Ancestry against the ancient Roman samples.
Millie Grazie,
Distance to: | Juan |
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6.41493570 | R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
7.38375921 | R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
9.16251603 | R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella |
10.92343353 | R37___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis |
12.13097276 | R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia |
12.25666757 | R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima |
12.30338165 | R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea |
12.30844426 | R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
12.63451622 | R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia |
13.22409921 | R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
13.76890337 | R116__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
13.79595955 | R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica |
14.42872136 | R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia |
15.19995066 | R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
15.20913213 | R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
15.91327433 | R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
18.50491016 | R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
18.99768933 | R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
19.47222381 | R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
19.58802951 | R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto |
19.84794448 | R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
21.03633286 | R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro |
21.60851453 | R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
22.06875620 | R6____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza |
22.35173595 | R104__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
7.51307527 | R60___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
8.59250836 | R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
8.91496495 | R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
9.25534440 | R54___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
9.27424930 | R970__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
9.47794281 | R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
9.62239056 | R973__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
9.63967842 | R59___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
9.77036847 | R58___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
9.92420778 | R836__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche |
9.92754250 | R107__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
10.47685544 | R835__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche |
10.48066792 | R1549_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo |
10.67414634 | R49___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis |
11.05854421 | R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio |
11.11762565 | R64___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
11.19741935 | R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
11.42585227 | R1544_Imperial_Era__Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese |
11.62182000 | R65___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
11.73109969 | R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
11.80387225 | R57___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
11.81083824 | R53___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
11.84085301 | R436__Imperial_Era__Palestrina |
11.88219256 | R122__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
12.00688136 | R56___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
3.30708331 | R136__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro |
3.49104569 | R1544_Imperial_Era__Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese |
4.61632971 | R64___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
4.68362039 | R436__Imperial_Era__Palestrina |
4.75920161 | R53___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
4.95236307 | R54___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
5.03863077 | R114__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
5.58374426 | R65___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
5.93626987 | R973__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
6.42969673 | R35___Late_Antiquity_Celio |
6.58944611 | R50___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis |
6.64663073 | R49___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis |
7.02136739 | R58___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
7.18610465 | R56___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
7.28116749 | R60___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
7.35566448 | R122__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
7.45313357 | R1548_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo |
7.53091628 | R59___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
7.54059016 | R117__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
7.90899488 | R115__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
7.94520610 | R47___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis |
7.97989348 | R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
8.02450622 | R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
8.26396999 | R51___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis |
8.35439405 | R137__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro |
I have no idea who you are or if these results are "yours". What I do know is that R 850 is half italic and half Chalcolithic Anatolian. Would that describe your purported ancestry?k12b ancient - no IA-r850 latin outlier here back to imperial area
distance:
3.30708331 R136__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro 3.49104569 R1544_Imperial_Era__Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese 4.61632971 R64___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 4.68362039 R436__Imperial_Era__Palestrina 4.75920161 R53___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 4.95236307 R54___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 5.03863077 R114__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis 5.58374426 R65___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 5.93626987 R973__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti 6.42969673 R35___Late_Antiquity_Celio 6.58944611 R50___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis 6.64663073 R49___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis 7.02136739 R58___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 7.18610465 R56___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 7.28116749 R60___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 7.35566448 R122__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia 7.45313357 R1548_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo 7.53091628 R59___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 7.54059016 R117__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia 7.90899488 R115__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis 7.94520610 R47___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis 7.97989348 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 8.02450622 R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia 8.26396999 R51___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis 8.35439405 R137__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro
I have no idea who you are or if these results are "yours". What I do know is that R 850 is half italic and half Chalcolithic Anatolian. Would that describe your purported ancestry?
My husband does get a hit to 850 but I had to increase to 50 and even 75 to get to some samples, because he has so many reasonably good matches.
Distance to: | Angela |
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6.44030279 | R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
6.53661992 | R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
7.14881808 | R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
8.92554760 | R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima |
9.30224167 | R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
9.47417543 | R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto |
9.47641282 | R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia |
9.59990625 | R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
9.74779462 | R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio |
9.81179392 | R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
9.81848257 | R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro |
10.57665354 | R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica |
10.65957316 | R118__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
10.77751827 | R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia |
10.82190833 | R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia |
11.25718437 | R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
11.48748885 | R113__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
12.90000388 | R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea |
12.99464505 | R52___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
13.22874522 | R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
13.33739855 | R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
13.36636824 | R835__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche |
13.51517665 | R970__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti |
14.11183546 | R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia |
14.21805894 | R836__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche |
Target: Angela Distance: 0.3732% / 0.37320825 | |
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23.8 | R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica |
14.8 | R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima |
10.0 | R71___Imperial_Era__ANAS |
8.8 | R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea |
7.8 | R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
6.8 | R43___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis |
6.0 | R18___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado |
5.0 | R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
4.8 | R113__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
4.4 | R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
3.0 | R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
2.4 | R16___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado |
1.0 | R32___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto |
1.0 | R107__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
0.2 | R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
0.2 | R11___Mesolithic____Grotta_Continenza |
5.37220625 | R116__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis |
7.20904987 | R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
7.36330768 | R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
9.35316524 | R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
9.67124604 | R31___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto |
9.72943986 | R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
10.44620505 | R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
10.53946868 | R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
11.52549348 | R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
11.58007772 | R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
11.70962852 | R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
12.29774776 | R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella |
12.42603316 | R37___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis |
13.11173139 | R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
14.39094507 | R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria |
14.45028719 | R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
15.92471036 | R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
16.40958257 | R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
17.08068793 | R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia |
17.61555846 | R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi |
18.83698490 | R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna |
19.94637060 | R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea |
20.90699883 | R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto |
21.24613377 | R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica |
21.64060766 | R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia |
21.69135312 | R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro |
22.39042653 | R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia |
22.77790596 | R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima |
Here are my matches. I didn't expect close matches between a modern Belgian and ancient Italians, but I do get a few close ones from the Late Antiquity and Medieval periods. My closest Iron Age match is R435 (Palestrina Colombella), but the distance is the same as between me and modern Aosta Valley, Ireland or Scotland.
My closest matches cluster between French, North Italians and Tuscans on the PCA plot.
5.37220625 R116__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis 7.20904987 R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 7.36330768 R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria 9.35316524 R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria 9.67124604 R31___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto 9.72943986 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria 10.44620505 R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria 10.53946868 R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi 11.52549348 R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria 11.58007772 R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi 11.70962852 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria 12.29774776 R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella 12.42603316 R37___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis 13.11173139 R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi 14.39094507 R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria 14.45028719 R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 15.92471036 R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 16.40958257 R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi 17.08068793 R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia 17.61555846 R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi 18.83698490 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna 19.94637060 R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea 20.90699883 R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto 21.24613377 R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica 21.64060766 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia 21.69135312 R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro 22.39042653 R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia 22.77790596 R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
Distance to: | IllyrianDalmatian_I3313 |
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3.56275646 | Italy_Lombardy |
4.78770749 | Italy_Emilia |
4.93995082 | Italy_Liguria |
5.14574766 | Italy_Veneto |
5.39127537 | Italy_Piedmont |
6.07536254 | Italy_Tuscany |
6.54086099 | Swiss_Italian |
7.53474883 | Italy_Trentino |
8.14842046 | France_Corsica |
8.45013349 | Italy_FriuliVG |
8.57974941 | Italy_Romagna |
9.78872702 | Italy_Aosta_Valley |
11.74627933 | Italy_Marche |
12.03777155 | Italy_Lazio |
12.29336406 | Albanian_North |
12.42080915 | Albanian_Kosovo |
14.46197428 | Baleares |
16.46757724 | Galicia |
17.19215810 | Extremadura |
17.51714611 | Italy_Abruzzo |
18.13725448 | Portuguese |
18.50866554 | Murcia |
18.86604092 | Andalucia |
19.05735291 | Greek |
19.22266111 | Castilla_Y_Leon |
Yes, it all makes sense.
Some of our North Italian members are getting hits of around 4 for some of the Iron Age samples, and Southern Italians get similarly close matches to others.
Some of us get our highest scores with Balkan Bronze Age. I'm wondering if they could perhaps represent some sort of Italic/Celtic source population.
For example...
Distance to: IllyrianDalmatian_I3313 3.56275646 Italy_Lombardy 4.78770749 Italy_Emilia 4.93995082 Italy_Liguria 5.14574766 Italy_Veneto 5.39127537 Italy_Piedmont 6.07536254 Italy_Tuscany 6.54086099 Swiss_Italian 7.53474883 Italy_Trentino 8.14842046 France_Corsica 8.45013349 Italy_FriuliVG 8.57974941 Italy_Romagna 9.78872702 Italy_Aosta_Valley 11.74627933 Italy_Marche 12.03777155 Italy_Lazio 12.29336406 Albanian_North 12.42080915 Albanian_Kosovo 14.46197428 Baleares 16.46757724 Galicia 17.19215810 Extremadura 17.51714611 Italy_Abruzzo 18.13725448 Portuguese 18.50866554 Murcia 18.86604092 Andalucia 19.05735291 Greek 19.22266111 Castilla_Y_Leon
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