How can I learn to accept my haplogroup results...

When I was patiently waiting for my results I was expecting either EV-13 or J2b2-L283 or some R1b L23-BY116
Or anything else typically albanian.
But I got haplogroup R1b u152-L2
Whaaaat.. I feel so betrayed and like an outsider haha.
I really wished to have EV 13. Isn't that the typical albanian haplogroup.
I still can't believe my results..
It's a bit depressing
What does this imply about my origins..

Haplogroup says NOTHING about autosomal genetics. It's amazing how people do drama for nothing.
 
What is your final SNP, have you done BigY/WGS or SNP pack? Also what are your closest relatives and what is your TMRCA with them? Also do you have any relative closer then GD 5-6 on 37 or 67 markers? After this informations i would be probably able to make something out of it. You being R1b-L2 and being Albanian is not that strange. Question is, is it more distant migration like Celts/Romans or more recent like Saxons, Francs or something like that. Best regards!

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Regarding on how to learn to accept, i will tell you only this: there is no weak haplogroup, there are only weak individuals, and they can belong to any haplogroup.
 
YSEQ has a single SNP test that would confirm whether you belong to the R1b-L2-FGC13617/FGC13619 block.

Cost is $18

http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=36340

Or if you want a test that explores other branches of R1b-L2 as well then for $119 there is the R1b-L2 snp pack from FTDNA.

Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree: U152, L2, Z49, Z367, L196, PF7610, CTS10009, CTS3080, CTS5689, A6454, BY2823, DF110, FGC10516, FGC22501, FGC5301, FGC5344, FGC5345, FGC5356, L408, PF6658, S1567, DF103, FGC14641, L199, FGC22538, FGC22516, FGC22528, FGC22533, FGC22500, FGC22503, FGC22512, FGC22513, A1704, A1706, A1717, A1722, A6455, BY1020, BY1145, BY2381, BY2824, BY2825, BY2826, BY3477, BY3478, BY3479, BY3480, BY3481, BY3482, BY3483, BY3484, BY3485, BY3486, BY3487, BY3489, BY3490, BY3491, BY3492, BY3493, BY3497, BY3498, BY3501, BY3503, BY3504, BY3505, BY3506, BY3507, BY3508, BY3509, BY3510, BY3512, BY3513, BY3514, BY771, BY806, BY831, FGC10525, FGC10536, FGC10543, FGC13617, FGC29428, FGC29470, FGC32882, FGC36273, FGC4166, FGC4177, FGC4183, FGC4193, FGC4213, FGC4220, FGC5303, FGC5306, FGC5308, FGC8154, FGC8158, FGC8178, L409, PF7609, PH3790, PR5365, S1555, S1561, S1566, S1569, S1570, S1573, S18462, Y11667, Y11931, Y11932, Y11933, Y3960, Y3961, Y3964, Y6763, ZZ48_1, ZZ48_2

Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
BY2895, FGC13620, BY3496, BY3499, BY3500, BY3502, BY3511, FGC13621, FGC13623, PF7599, PF7603, PF7604, PF7605, Y11232, Z7054

Personally I am interested whether you are FGC13617/FGC13619 and $18 for a single SNP test from Yseq seems to me a fair option.
 
Why is this so bad? As a Shqiptar would you prefer to have Serbian y dna knowing the tension between the two or maybe middle eastern types j1/j2a/g2a etc? I don't think any country has 100% pure y dna, but Shqiptaret have a lot of dna similar to each other over 2000 years old, balkan r1b/e-v13/i1/j2b l283. Compared to even remote countries like England Shqiptaret have more long lasting y dna, English are not pure celtic, they have a lot of German/Scandinavian dna and some Roman/balkan dna too

Roman y dna is not so bad, most would say they did some good in europe helping advance and civilise a lot of it. Also, unlike ottoman they didn't take peoples kids as far as I'm aware
 
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If you look below you can see that romans had big impact on England, using mathematical ratios maybe 30%+ y dna was roman (including balkan) at its peak before the numbers were severely cut down by anglo saxon invasion and then later on by vikings and normans.

The romans didn't have too long of a conquest there either so its crazy how they left so much y dna behind, maybe a lot of them settled there for good/retired

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The Albanian language has a high amount of Latin words, even Celtic words. Most of them concord either with Lombard, or with Romanian, or both. Also the Christian vocabulary is from the same strand. It would be interesting indeed to see more U152 Albanians. You, guys, are the "missing link", if I may say so.

Dalmatian also had Celtic substrate words, like "maur" ("big"), which also exists in Romanian, Alpine Lombard, Occitan.
 
Albania and Kosovo are at least 20-30% other haplogroups then those you mentioned so someone has to be those. This does not mean you are not Albanian.

If you had a son born in Africa by an African woman, he then stayed there for 30 generations and had a son every time, that kid 32 generations down would be 99% African but would have your Y haplogroup. It should not matter to you. In fact it means your ancestor somewhere along had to be appreciated above others due to others being just member of same couple of tribes.
Also your haplogroup is normal within Europe. There is a guy who got Mongol haplogroup and I won't have to describe to you how he feels.

I am Croatian but I would not mind getting I1 or Balkan N or R1a z93 (Sarmatian).

The term Venezia-albania was used by the republic as a area of governance, it has no indication of the populace, the original people where mostly Dalmatian...............who where replaced over time by croats, serbs and albanians ..................The area today is mostly called Montenegro ..............a venetian word meaning black mountains
the migration of croats, serbs etc occurred from this period
Ancient Delmatae were:
I2 48%
R1a 23%
R1b 7%
E3b 5%
J2 2%
and the rest could not be retrieved.

Autariates east of them, in east Herzegovina were:
I2 64%
R1a 12%
R1b 27%
E3b 9%
J2 1%

Liburni in central west Dalmatia were:
I2 10%
R1a 38%
R1b 16%
J2 11%

Sulojdzic, Habanovic 2007

So your statement about I2 and R1a coming in 7th century, with 'Slavic expansion' is incorrect. All major haplogroups were already present during Rome.
 
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Albania and Kosovo are at least 20-30% other haplogroups then those you mentioned so someone has to be those. This does not mean you are not Albanian.
If you had a son born in Africa by an African woman, he then stayed there for 30 generations and had a son every time, that kid 32 generations down would be 99% African but would have your Y haplogroup. It should not matter to you. In fact it means your ancestor somewhere along had to be appreciated above others due to others being just member of same couple of tribes.
Also your haplogroup is normal within Europe. There is a guy who got Mongol haplogroup and I won't have to describe to you how he feels.
I am Croatian but I would not mind getting I1 or Balkan N or R1a z93 (Sarmatian).
Ancient Delmatae were:
I2 48%
R1a 23%
R1b 7%
E3b 5%
J2 2%
and the rest could not be retrieved.
Autariates east of them, in east Herzegovina were:
I2 64%
R1a 12%
R1b 27%
E3b 9%
J2 1%
Liburni in central west Dalmatia were:
I2 10%
R1a 38%
R1b 16%
J2 11%
Sulojdzic, Habanovic 2007
So your statement about I2 and R1a coming in 7th century, with 'Slavic expansion' is incorrect. All major haplogroups were already present during Rome.

Wrong, i2a din came 7th century into balkans as did most r1a (z93 was already present). Maybe you are confusing the i2 with a different branch. Ancient j2b l283, r1b and v13 have been found in balkans but not i2a-din, that came later

There is zero i2a din in ancient rome
 
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What test did you do?

When I was patiently waiting for my results I was expecting either EV-13 or J2b2-L283 or some R1b L23-BY116
Or anything else typically albanian.
But I got haplogroup R1b u152-L2
Whaaaat.. I feel so betrayed and like an outsider haha.
I really wished to have EV 13. Isn't that the typical albanian haplogroup.
I still can't believe my results..
It's a bit depressing
What does this imply about my origins..
 
If you don't base your whole identity and who you are solely on haplogroups
it should be easy for you to accept them.
 
I am R-L2>FGC13617 from Corfu. I tested in 2011 that's a decade ago.

At first the experts all agreed that my paternal lineage was Roman.

My 67STR marker test result had a few hundred 12 and about 50 25marker matches, all of them R1b-L21 British Isles, the closest matches were Welsh. No matches from Italy.

The experts went very quiet.

After a decade still no Italian matches.

Only 1 R1b-L2>FGC13617 match from Herceg Novi (Montenegro) and one R1b-L2>FGC13619 match from Serbia.

It is very strange that this branch or R1b-L2 has a STR haplotype that only matches British Isles R1b-L21 individuals at 12 and 25 markers. It is only from 37 markers that the Herceg Novi (Montenegrin) match is visible.

The time to the MRCA calculated for FGC13617

Measure Age (YBP)
Mean 2369.2
Median 2366.3
Mode 2370.0

View attachment 12620
 
I am R-L2>FGC13617 from Corfu. I tested in 2011 that's a decade ago.
At first the experts all agreed that my paternal lineage was Roman.
My 67STR marker test result had a few hundred 12 and about 50 25marker matches, all of them R1b-L21 British Isles, the closest matches were Welsh. No matches from Italy.
The experts went very quiet.
After a decade still no Italian matches.
Only 1 R1b-L2>FGC13617 match from Herceg Novi (Montenegro) and one R1b-L2>FGC13619 match from Serbia.
It is very strange that this branch or R1b-L2 has a STR haplotype that only matches British Isles R1b-L21 individuals at 12 and 25 markers. It is only from 37 markers that the Herceg Novi (Montenegrin) match is visible.
The time to the MRCA calculated for FGC13617
Measure Age (YBP)
Mean 2369.2
Median 2366.3
Mode 2370.0
View attachment 12620


Apparently you are a real Celt
 
Have you done a BigY test to see what branch of R1b-L2 you belong to?
 
How common is this line in england or ireland?

There is a R-L2>FGC13617 match from the British Isles with the lastname Hutchinson. He completed a BigY test and has an estimated tMRCA of 3400ybp when compared to the Balkan matches of R-L2>FGC13617.
 
Exactly so. Look at the Montgomerys of Scotland. They're E-V13, which, if the stories of their origins in Wales in the early Middle Ages is true, makes some sense. Eight hundred years after the arrival of the male line ancestor in Scotland, are they any different from all the other Scottish clans in their approximate geographic area? I doubt it.

One of the clans is even reported to be E-M81, at least the "noble" part of it.

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I don't see how it matters to their "ethnic" identity.

The Montgomery clan chiefs belong to J2a1-L26: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people

I agree that it doesn't matter, particularly in regards to "identity". I have a fairly common Irish surname, but am only 13% Irish according to FTDNA's Family Finder, and most of that likely came from my mother's side.
 

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