Curiously, I couldn't find any Albanian in R-U152 Project at FTDNA. It must be really uncommon around there.
Accidently, there're few R-L2 men from Corfu (and also Montenegro).
Whoever left R-L2 in that area (Gauls, Romans, Venetians etc.), the impact must have been little anyway. So apparently there are not "great" possibilities.
@shinyDust
Do you intend to test BigY or akin?
From what I understand, that region was only officially called "Venetian Albania" after Venice had lost all of its major holdings in Albania to the Ottomans (Lezha in 1478, Shkodra 1479 and Durres in 1501). This name was used as Venice didn't want to renounce its claims on its former possessions in Albania. During the 16th Century, Venetian Albania only included the coastal regions of Montenegro, with a center around Kotor.
Indeed. From the link I shared:
"Venetian Albania (Italian: Albania Veneta) was the official term for several possessions of the Republic of Venice in the southeastern Adriatic, encompassing coastal territories in modern northern Albania and southern Montenegro. Several major territorial changes occurred during the Venetian rule in those regions, starting from 1392,[1] and lasting until 1797. By the end of the 15th century, the main possessions in northern Albania had been lost to the expansion of the Ottoman Empire. In spite of that, Venetians did not want to renounce their formal claims to the Albanian coast, and the term Venetian Albania was officially kept in use, designating the remaining Venetian possessions in the coastal regions of modern Montenegro, centered around the Bay of Kotor. Those regions remained under Venetian rule until the fall of the Republic of Venice in 1797. By the Treaty of Campo Formio, the region was transferred to the Habsburg Monarchy."
Another "possibility" is that it's been there since the Bronze Age. Tribes moving through the area could have included some men with R1b U152-L2. Isn't it pretty common in Hungary, among other areas?
Some of these groups were more inclusive than others. Some men from other tribes were absorbed along the way. It doesn't change a man's identity.
Yes. Perhaps we'll never have "the" answer. But as I suggested, if the connection is really recent, TMRCAs could occasionally evidence it, while an hypothetical old presence could be evidenced by Ancient DNA (if we were very lucky).
While those ydna are also in veneto/venice.. there is no evidence that they came from there
It's speculative, yes. That's why I said TMRCAs could evidence it. And "if" it's the case.
Welll, the guy asked what R-L2 implies about his (patrilineal?) origin, and I risk one. That's all.
We already have here BA tribes, Gauls, Romans, Venetians... There must be more.
That's exactly what I meant.
People tend to attribute far too much genetic change to short term military occupation or commercial control. Imo it's a mistake. Even if you see some change in the "y" there's usually very little change in the autosomal make-up.
Of course, general and widespread rape of the women might be a different story. I've always wondered about the long term effects of the mass rape perpetrated by the Soviet forces in Eastern Europe and especially Germany. We have lots of information about what went on in Berlin, for example.
There's no indication of anything like that in this area and time period, though.
Some minor historical events must leave genetic traces as well, even if at uniparental markers mainly, but it may be reallly difficult to track them, indeed. HGs such I1 in parts of (South) Italy could exemplify what you said, no? The related event caused an important frequency of the hg without relevant impact on Autosomal.