Who were the Illyrians?

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The people who are Illyrians and Celts”: Strabo and the identities of the ‘barbarians’ from Illyricum
Danijel Dzino
Danijel Dzino

Is this the title of the paper ?
 
No, the title is ‘Illyrians’ in ancient ethnographic discourse by Danijel Dzino. You can't access the article? Maybe try here, direct pdf link.
 
Thanks Angela, read and did not see anything new from the old discussion. I hoped for new genetic evidence.


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No, unfortunately we don't have samples from the right time period yet.
 
It's a good paper listing chronologically when the oldest mention of the term "illyrian" first comes from (fairly late, ~400 years BC). The roman administration later named the entire west balkans illyricum, so it obscures the diversity of languages.

According to linguists, the north west illyrians like Liburnian's, were on the Italo-Celtic branch. Proto-Albanian is not on this branch and has a much different history.
 
No such thing as Illyrians but a lot of different tribes in what used to be Yugoslavia + Albania.
 
No such thing as Illyrians but a lot of different tribes in what used to be Yugoslavia + Albania.

You cannot assign a label to totally different tribes.

It was most likely related tribes which Greeks called them Illyrian.
 
You cannot assign a label to totally different tribes.

It was most likely related tribes which Greeks called them Illyrian.
We have no idea whether the North "Illyrian" tribes could even communicate with the Southern "Illyrian" tribes. It was a label assigned to the people north of Macedonia. Not like Herodotus went up and down Illyria visiting each and every tribe and cataloging their population strength, their settlements, their occupation, their culture, their language. It's all 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand knowledge.
 
We can supose a genuine "Illyrian" tribe existed, known by Ancients. After, by a well known process (look at "Celts" of S-E Gaul/France) the name has been extended to neighbouring tribes, whatever the real links between all them. After that came the Roman political regionalization, and more extension of some supposed ethnic ames to territories (like Aremorica in Gaul, different before and after the Roman colonization).
at first Bretagne was the territory gained by Bretons. Todate Breton means a Bretagne inhabitant, whatever the true origin.
 
We have no idea whether the North "Illyrian" tribes could even communicate with the Southern "Illyrian" tribes. It was a label assigned to the people north of Macedonia. Not like Herodotus went up and down Illyria visiting each and every tribe and cataloging their population strength, their settlements, their occupation, their culture, their language. It's all 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand knowledge.

But we do have a census by Romans on the number of "illyrians" in the year 4AD, that is males of fighting age

It shows that Dalmatians where the main tribe , followed by Pannonians...........I refer to numbers prior to the 4 year Illyrian revolt against Rome
 
There must be a reason why they were called so, otherwise by your logic they could have called everyone North of Macedonia Illyrian.

That's silly logic. We don'y have first hand evidence but we can still deduce.
 
There must be a reason why they were called so, otherwise by your logic they could have called everyone North of Macedonia Illyrian.

That's silly logic. We don'y have first hand evidence but we can still deduce.

I think it is only from a roman term for an area of land which they called Illyricum..............similar to today iberia represent spanish and portuguese....or British, an area of britain which has many different people

But the roman census of that illyrian area does show the tribes and the fighting numbers for each tribe
 
Have any Illyrian remains been found and genetically tested? I want to finally put to rest how much Illyrian blood South Slavs have and if Albanians are the true standard bearers of this clan.
 

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