Here is a PCA I composed with Dodecad Globe 13 results:

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Thanks, Jovialis.

Do you have a link to a full size version which is easier to read?
 
Here is the Eurogenes K36 PCA. TBH, it looks very inaccurate, not even trying to talk crap here. (for example the Mesolithic HGs plot far to close to other samples. R475, clusters with other northern Iron Age samples, when It should be out far on its own. R437's postion is wrong, etc.) FYI the method I used to compose it is devoid of any human error on my part. The results are copy and pasted straight from the calculator, which took several hours to process:

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^here is a screen cap of the excel coordinates for K36. They are downloaded from ENA, converted in WGSextract to combined format, than converted to Ancestry format in DNAkit studio, and processed through Admixture Studio for the results:

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I read somewhere that Samnites were genetically like Estrucans. Can someone elaborate on it?
 
I read somewhere that Samnites were genetically like Estrucans. Can someone elaborate on it?

Someone told me that on Anthrogenica. But until I see actual proof, it is not verifiable. We don't want to trust the rumor-mill.
 
Someone told me that on Anthrogenica. But until I see actual proof, it is not verifiable. We don't want to trust the rumor-mill.
Same for me. I heard it from there too.
It really sounded strange to me, but if there is proof.
 
Bronze Age Beaker sample from Sicily.
Distance to:I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
17.75790528Morocco_Jews
18.68690451Sephardic_Jews
20.97808233Italy_Calabria
21.34804441Ashkenazi
21.53729198Italy_Campania
22.10654428Ashkenazy_Jews
22.14209035Italy_Sicily
23.06039410France_Corsica
23.21633691Italy_Abruzzo
24.42997540Italy_Marche
24.76014943Greek_Crete
25.52503884Italy_Apulia
25.78033095Italy_Lazio
26.09522945Greek
26.45275033Italy_Romagna
27.37371002Cypriots
27.69570021Italy_Tuscany
28.93280683Italy_Emilia
29.16867275Italy_Liguria
29.84378662Greek_Cappadocia
31.19259556Italy_Lombardy
31.21225240Nusayri_Turkey
32.33615314Crimean_Tatar_Coast
32.69854890Italy_Piedmont
32.70471526Albanian_Kosovo
Fits are bad, but more eastern and even southeastern ancestry was already in Sicily pretty damn early, I would say.
Original dodecad seems more reasonable, as always, though the fits are still bad.
Distance to:I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
17.75790528Morocco_Jews
18.18684415Sicilian
18.68690451Sephardic_Jews
19.18726140S_Italian_Sicilian
21.20363412C_Italian
21.34804441Ashkenazi
22.10654428Ashkenazy_Jews
23.35725583Tuscan
24.08437253TSI30
26.09522945Greek
27.25755308O_Italian
27.37371002Cypriots
28.92887312North_Italian
30.30025412N_Italian
33.40130237Canarias
34.58367245Andalucia
35.04589848Baleares
35.06321149Sardinian
35.24731195Murcia
35.29380966Lebanese
35.44868122Turkish
35.86672413Druze
36.96170992Extremadura
37.15035128Galicia
37.28312085Portuguese
As I said, I think something is wrong with the samples people just added to the "updated" sources, using their "own" collection, instead of academic samples.
Can you do one for Minoans please?
As in Minoans vs modern populations.
 
Bronze Age Beaker_Sicily closest fit is Minoan I9129. 0.25X provides nice fit. So this Sicilian_Beaker definitely EEF/Anatolian type ancestry looking at it. What academic paper actually has the analysis of the Sicilian Bell Beaker if someone doesn't mind referring it to me. Definitely looks like Neolithic/EEF ancestry from Anatolia was in Sicily well before the Greek colonization, which is not unexpected and surprising to me. I would assume that is the case on the Southern Italian peninsula as well.

Distance to:I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
5.09041256I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
7.54527667Kumtepe006_Anatolian
8.19122701I3498_Balkans_Neolithic
8.48055423I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
8.59672030I3709_Peloponnese_Neolithic
9.11530032Anatolia_N_Bar8_Barcin
9.18082785I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
9.36654686I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
9.45330630I2519_Balkans_Chalcolithic
9.63348846I3708_Peloponnese_Neolithic
9.65005699Anatolia_N_Bar31_Barcin
9.75822217I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
9.76232042I2521_Balkans_Neolithic
9.80853710Anatolia_N_Klei10
10.14526491I0026_LBK2155_LBK_EN_Viesenhäuser_Hof_Stuttgart-Mühlhausen_Germany_5500-4800_BCE
10.14526491I0054_UWS4_LBK_EN_Unterwiederstedt_Germany_5209-5070_calBCE
10.32477118I2509_Balkans_Chalcolithic
10.33054210I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
10.76344740I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE
10.93214983I0633_Balkans_Neolithic
11.12777606I3719_Ukraine_Neolithic_outlier
11.19070597I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
11.22929205I2318_Peloponnese_Neolithic
11.27929962I2427_Balkans_Chalcolithic
11.35000441I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete

Target: I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
Distance: 2.7639% / 2.76394377 | ADC: 0.25x
85.4I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
6.8ASH2-3_Iron_Age1
4.8I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
3.0I15940_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju
 
That's an old rumor, isn't it?

Sabines or Samnites? Do they even know the difference over there? If it's Sabines it makes complete sense.

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Samnites
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Here are some interesting results using Dodecad K7b, with select coordinates I produced for Ancient West Eurasia. The Iron Age Latini, Etruscans, Protovillanovan, and Villanovan, can be modeled with a large amount of Beaker_N_Italy_BA. While the Mediterranean era averages can be modeled with a large amount of Mycenaean; I fit in pretty well with these cohorts. Finally, the Eastern Mediterranean era averages are modeled with a large amount of Anatolian_ChL.

Source:

Code:
Alberstedt_LN,2.29,13.25,0.99,0.92,14.22,68.33,0
Anatolia_ChL,0,36.33,0.09,1.55,38.43,23.6,0
Armenia_ChL,2.171666667,46.255,0.611666667,1.153333333,28.04,21.77,0
Armenia_EBA,3.46,57.63,0,1.595,25.915,11.405,0
Armenia_MLBA,2.5,49.05,1.57,0.99,21.07,24.82,0
Armenian_LBA,0.298,48.248,0,0.202,17.704,33.548,0
Baalberge_MN,0,0,0,0.14,43.04333333,56.81666667,0
BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN,2.373333333,18.51666667,0.646666667,1.366666667,6.043333333,71.05333333,0
Corded_Ware_LN,2.605,24.2625,2.125,1.4925,0.3675,69.15,0
Esperstedt_MN,0,0,0,0.37,42.07,57.41,0.15
Beaker_Germany_LN,0.841666667,13.105,1.873333333,0.706666667,12.23333333,70.97333333,0.266666667
Halberstadt_LBA,1.13,13.81,1.75,0.9,7.25,75.15,0
Iran_ChL,5.574,61.688,0.576,1.712,30.394,0,0.052
Iran_HotuIIIb,17.99,72.88,1.56,3.99,3.34,0.24,0
Iran_LN_Seh_Gabi,13.3,73.34,0,2.74,10.62,0,0
Iran_N,16.082,71.016,0,9.254,3.15,0.36,0.138
Karelia_HG,5.29,2.76,12.39,0.43,0,79.14,0
Karsdorf_LN,7.14,21.17,0,0,0,70.63,1.07
LBK_EN,0,5.869166667,0.020833333,0.641666667,51.03333333,42.13583333,0.299166667
LBKT_EN,0,10,0,0,47,42.23,0.76
Levant_BA,1.296666667,35.39333333,0,2.24,50.72,8.506666667,1.84
Levant_N,0.177692308,15.87076923,0.465384615,1.866923077,65.30384615,15.39461538,0.923076923
Motala_HG,1.49,0,3.772857143,0.711428571,0,94.02571429,0
Natufian,2.846666667,3.42,0.741666667,6.545,74.79333333,8.843333333,2.806666667
Samara_HG,8.67,6.77,10.09,1.06,0,73.41,0
Spain_MN,0.244444444,0.238888889,0,0.13,46.87777778,52.22222222,0.288888889
Starcevo_EN,0,5.35,0,0.68,57.38,36.59,0
Unetice_EBA,1.27625,14.61125,1.17625,0.91125,7.40875,74.3325,0.28375
Yamnaya,5.25,32.85666667,3.213333333,0.723333333,0,57.95666667,0
C_Italian_Mesolithic,0.263333333,0.003333333,0.263333333,10.04,0.003333333,89.14666667,0.276666667
C_Italian_Neolithic,0,4.83,0,0.257142857,49.71071429,45.17714286,0.024285714
France_BA,0.606428571,7.231428571,0.757857143,0.526428571,20.09928571,70.515,0.264285714
Minoan_Lasithi,0,23.082,0,0.378,49.684,26.816,0.042
Anatolian_BA,0,33.25666667,0.103333333,2.343333333,41.13666667,22.79,0.37
Greece_Neolithic,0,13.15,0,2.15,49.96,33.94,0.8
Mycenaean,0.2125,20.6,0.22,1.2275,41.1075,36.4125,0.22
Minoan_Odigitria,0,18.602,0.504,0.172,50.722,29.712,0.29
Beaker_N_Italy_BA,0.093333333,6.84,0.036666667,0.536666667,34.31,57.68333333,0.496666667
Beaker_Sicily_BA,0,16.89,0.31,1.2,49.94,31.66,0
Imp_Rome_North_African_C3,0,17.855,0,8.075,45.33,27.645,1.095
Imp_Rome_Near_Eastern_C4,0.660769231,38.07,0.023076923,1.59,43.34846154,15.91230769,0.396923077
Ötzi,0,1.4,0,0.8,51.9,43.1,2.8

Target:

Code:
Protovillanovan_IA,0,17.8,1.55,0.39,26.65,53.61,0
Villanovan_IA,0,9.46,0,0,32.43,57.92,0.19
Latin_Prenestini_Tribe_IA,0,9.15,0.25,0.54,25.13,64.93,0
Etruscan_IA,0,12.45,0.07,0.71,29.545,57.235,0
Latini_IA,0.086666667,10.06333333,0.13,0.156666667,29.12333333,60.21,0.23
C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean(R437),0,25.22,0,0.48,36.72,37.58,0
C6_Imperial_Roman_Mediterranean_Avrg,0.138571429,27.47785714,0.097142857,0.508571429,34.99571429,36.42857143,0.354285714
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean_Avrg,0.36375,23.61625,0.08375,0.8,35.0875,40.0525,0
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean_Avrg,0.089411765,25.04588235,0.171764706,0.902941176,34.46529412,39.03,0.296470588
C5_Iron_Age_Eastern_Mediterranean(R850),0,32.01,0,1.09,39.03,27.2,0.67
C5_Imperial_Roman_Eastern_Mediterranean_Avrg,0.197272727,32.46363636,0.038181818,0.667727273,40.02772727,26.42,0.184090909
C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean_Avrg,0.046,28.432,0,1.626,37.802,31.554,0.538
 
Distance to: Dodecad_k7b_Stuvanè
14.62121822 Beaker_N_Italy_BA
17.67797288 Mycenaean
20.48622464 LBKT_EN
23.26439984 Esperstedt_MN
23.59573808 Baalberge_MN
24.40283223 C_Italian_Neolithic
24.92041151 Spain_MN
24.97014017 Alberstedt_LN
25.47950054 France_BA
25.71299833 LBK_EN
26.22964163 Greece_Neolithic
27.10936923 Beaker_Sicily_BA
28.15569836 Beaker_Germany_LN
28.32738251 Imp_Rome_North_African_C3
28.74970435 Ötzi
28.94522192 Minoan_Odigitria
30.70149742 Minoan_Lasithi
32.10004621 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
32.96057561 Anatolian_BA
32.96632069 Anatolia_ChL
33.14476580 Starcevo_EN
33.55517886 Unetice_EBA
34.37194496 Halberstadt_LBA
34.85938627 Yamnaya
36.02412135 Corded_Ware_LN

Target: Dodecad_k7b_Stuvanè
Distance: 1.0335% / 1.03348866 | ADC: 0.25x
64.4 Beaker_N_Italy_BA
21.8 Armenian_LBA
11.2 Mycenaean
2.6 Yamnaya
 
Armenia_LBA has a relatively large amount of EHG, (the rest mostly Iran_N-like ancestry, and Anatolian_N); especially compared to modern-day Armenians, and precursors to LBA. Even R1 Protovillanovan gets a respectable amount, 16.6%. I wonder if Armenia_LBA, combined with samples like BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN, are currently taking the place for these C6 samples of what a better fitting Italic tribe may look like, particularly Osco-Umbrian tribes.

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Jovialis: Thanks for that analysis in post #95, My admixture results are very, very, similar to what your models shows for C6_IronAge_R437. In every distance I get from various Calculators, R437 is always very close to me. Good job again and very informative post #95.

Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 0.9301% / 0.93005882 | ADC: 0.25x

85.0Mycenaean
12.0Armenian_LBA
2.0Yamnaya
1.0Corded_Ware_LN
 

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