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    I think member Salento would love this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I think member Salento would love this

    thanks,

    it’s Griko to me :)

    ... do and don’t FAQ (I guess)

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    statistics upon data of
    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

    last updated 15/03/2020 6: 13: 27 EET time, (CET +1)

    * the matrix appearance is after low to high, of the confirmed cases per 1000 people of the country.

    * the ratio upon higher infected per population to lower in Europe is 5846 times !!!!!!!

    * in almost 3 days Italy's confirmed infected per 1000 people ratio multiply by 1.7 about




    COUNTRY Population/1000 Confirmed infected deaths upon confirmed Confirmed infected per 1000 people deaths per confirmed infected Confirmed infected per 1000 at 12/03
    Europe





    Turkey 82004 5 0 0,00006 0,000000 0,0000012
    Ukraine 42031 3 1 0,00007 0,333333 0,000025
    Russia 146745 59 0 0,00040 0,000000 0,00002
    Poland 38386 103 3 0,00268 0,029126 0,001
    Belarus 9492 27 0 0,00284 0,000000 0,001
    Lithuania 2794 8 0 0,00286 0,000000 0,001
    Hungary 9773 30 0 0,00307 0,000000 0,001
    Bosnia 3511 18 0 0,00513 0,000000 0,003
    Bulgaria 7000 41 2 0,00586 0,048780 0,001
    Romania 19402 123 0 0,00634 0,000000 0,003
    Serbia 6964 46 0 0,00661 0,000000 0,003
    Severna Mac 2077 14 0 0,00674 0,000000 0,003
    Slovakia 5450 44 0 0,00807 0,000000 0,002
    Croatia 4076 38 0 0,00932 0,000000 0,005
    Albania 2877 38 1 0,01321 0,026316 0,005
    Lettonia 1920 26 0 0,01354 0,000000 0,005
    Porugal 10277 169 0 0,01644 0,000000 0,006
    Czech 10650 189 0 0,01775 0,000000 0,009
    Ireland 6573 129 2 0,01963 0,015504 0,007
    Greece 10768 228 3 0,02117 0,013158 0,009
    Finland 5521 225 0 0,04075 0,000000 0,011
    Netherlands 17425 959 12 0,05504 0,012513 0,029
    Deutch 83149 4585 9 0,05514 0,001963 0,025
    Belgium 11516 689 4 0,05983 0,005806 0,027
    France 67022 4480 91 0,06684 0,020313 0,034
    Austria 8903 655 1 0,07357 0,001527 0,034
    Esthonia 1328 115 0 0,08660 0,000000 0,012
    sweden 10303 961 2 0,09327 0,002081 0,049
    Spain 46733 6391 196 0,13676 0,030668 0,049
    Denmark 5823 836 1 0,14357 0,001196 0,105
    Swiss 8570 1359 13 0,15858 0,009566 -
    Norway 5368 1090 3 0,20306 0,002752 0,117
    Italy 60318 21157 1441 0,35076 0,068110 0,207












    Outside Europe
    India 1352642 102 2 0,00008 0,019608 0,000054
    Egypt 100075 109 2 0,00109 0,018349 -
    Japan 126150 773 22 0,00613 0,028461 0,005
    Iesrael 9171 193 0 0,02104 0,000000 -
    Singapore 5639 212 0 0,03760 0,000000 0,032
    Qatar 2642 337 0 0,12755 0,000000 -
    Iran 83484 12729 611 0,15247 0,048001 0,121
    Korea 51709 8086 72 0,15638 0,008904 0,151


    mainland China 1427648 80995 3191 0,05673 0,039397 -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    This: "Fear is fought with socialization and common hope."

    Forza, Stuvane. As Dottore Cecconi explained, there will be no sign of a decrease for at least two weeks from the lock down.

    Let's pray it then starts to go down.
    You are right, Angela.

    it is also right to exorcise fears and anxieties. Browsing the web I found these pearls ;)


    1) the mighty Chuck who quarantines Covid-19




    2) a program for a trip and a picnic inside the house, to be organized in the mezzanine


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    edit:
    POTUS: The United States Loves Italy!

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...052257794?s=21
    Meanwhile is POTUS trying to buy the potential medicine, of course with exclusivity for the US, America first....so far the love for Italy.

    I hope "mutti Merkel" wil prevent this.....for the sake of the world.

    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/artic...off-Firma.html

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    For those who do not check the Coronavirus updates on Wikipedia here is a map of the number of cases per million inhabitants. It is more representative that absolute numbers.


    Map of cases per capita as of 14 March 2020
    > 100 cases per million inhabitants
    > 50 cases per million inhabitants
    > 10 cases per million inhabitants
    > 1 case per million inhabitants
    > 0.1 cases per million inhabitants
    > 0.01 cases per million inhabitants

    Please keep in mind that the data is 2 weeks late because of the incubation period, so it should be multiplied by approximately 100. Additionally some countries are not testing much their populations (most developing countries, but also some developed countries like Belgium and Japan) so the situation is surely much worse in those countries that official data reports. Ideally we should check the percentage of people who test positive vs negative in each country to get a better idea of how much it has spread.
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    Iceland !!!!!!

    no death reported,
    156 confirmed cases,
    364 260 population,

    Infected per 1000 people 0.428

    could be The highest infected country ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    thanks,

    it’s Griko to me :)

    ... do and don’t FAQ (I guess)
    Thanks to you...

    I've sometimes wondered if there's a correlation between interest in population genetics and the lack of a sense of humor. :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    You are right, Angela.

    it is also right to exorcise fears and anxieties. Browsing the web I found these pearls ;)


    1) the mighty Chuck who quarantines Covid-19




    2) a program for a trip and a picnic inside the house, to be organized in the mezzanine

    Pearls indeed. I also liked the selfie-videos of people dancing the pizzica in their homes which was posted by Salento.

    Not the tarantula this time, but perhaps the bat. :) It gives new life to the Dracula myths, don't you think? Always hated the damn things, and bugs too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    It would be sad, if true. Some couples don't normally have sex, and only do it when they're stuck in a house together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Do not know,
    but if a new PlayStation on market, Surely will be a hit

    Forbit PS4 and others, and there is your boom

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    Some more back of the envelope (with the addition of a computer) analysis.

    There may be something about "non mask culture" versus "mask culture", a culture which has a long history in East Asia, although how long I don't know. Was it a reaction to smog and pollution as some are suggesting, or the SARS fears, or is it older?

    Korea would be the exception because of that bizarre religious sect which got hit early and refused to limit contact for a long time.

    I've been saying from day one that the government proclamations about it not protecting you from infection made no sense. If that were true, why the drum beat that they have to be saved for health case workers?

    Plus, if a big percentage of the population is wearing them, they're spewing less virus into the air around them.

    Wish I had worn mine, no matter the social censure.

    Not the only factor, but perhaps "a" factor...


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    I expect that in the coming week the US will take similar measurements as European countries took last week and weekend.
    Stay away from the stock market for another week.

    Countries that have banned Corona will have to close their borders till Corona is banned wordlwide.
    This is what Singapoor allready does.

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    Italy has tested every inhabitant in a small town in the Veneto, population 3,432, and the epicenter of the virus in the Veneto, to try to get more information about this virus.

    Of those infected, more than 50% are asymptomatic, but still highly contagious.
    https://twitter.com/RobertoBurioni/s...07922417893378

    Hope they pass this on to the WHO, who have been slow off the mark during this whole thing.

    We should try to see if there's a copy of the paper available somewhere.

    "Vò became the center of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in Veneto when two people were found positive on 21 February 2020. The next day, one of them, a 78-year-old man, died. This was the first death due to the virus in Italy. The number of infections had also risen to 29.[4] As of 28 February, there were 151 confirmed cases in Veneto, of which 70 cases in the municipality of Vò alone.[5]"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Some more back of the envelope (with the addition of a computer) analysis.

    There may be something about "non mask culture" versus "mask culture", a culture which has a long history in East Asia, although how long I don't know. Was it a reaction to smog and pollution as some are suggesting, or the SARS fears, or is it older?

    Korea would be the exception because of that bizarre religious sect which got hit early and refused to limit contact for a long time.

    I've been saying from day one that the government proclamations about it not protecting you from infection made no sense. If that were true, why the drum beat that they have to be saved for health case workers?

    Plus, if a big percentage of the population is wearing them, they're spewing less virus into the air around them.

    Wish I had worn mine, no matter the social censure.

    Not the only factor, but perhaps "a" factor...

    This is a correlation or may be not....Scientist doubt:
    The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze. The agency also recommends these masks for caregivers of people infected with the virus.
    More practical, there is a world wide shortage of masks.....so let's keep them all for the health care personal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Some more back of the envelope (with the addition of a computer) analysis.

    There may be something about "non mask culture" versus "mask culture", a culture which has a long history in East Asia, although how long I don't know. Was it a reaction to smog and pollution as some are suggesting, or the SARS fears, or is it older?

    Korea would be the exception because of that bizarre religious sect which got hit early and refused to limit contact for a long time.

    I've been saying from day one that the government proclamations about it not protecting you from infection made no sense. If that were true, why the drum beat that they have to be saved for health case workers?

    Plus, if a big percentage of the population is wearing them, they're spewing less virus into the air around them.

    Wish I had worn mine, no matter the social censure.

    Not the only factor, but perhaps "a" factor...

    I think that is the big mistake of Europe and others
    lack of masks?
    or economical cost to produce and distribute free and low cost?

    comparing Japan and Korea the effect of mask is x10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I think that is the big mistake of Europe and others
    lack of masks?
    or economical cost to produce and distribute free and low cost?

    comparing Japan and Korea the effect of mask is x10
    People don't know what they're talking about when it comes to masks, or they're talking out of both sides of their mouths out of ignorance or to prevent hoarding.

    I AM NOT talking about surgical masks. I'm talking about N95 masks. They're more expensive, but much more effective.

    Yes, it would be better if they were fitted, but less effective doesn't mean not effective at all.

    If they weren't effective in preventing infection they wouldn't have clapped them on all the health care workers. Doctors and nurses in China were so desperate to have them on that they bleached the used ones when they'd worn them awhile and couldn't get new ones.

    Plus, as I said it prevents people from spreading it to others. It certainly would have been a better solution than closing everything down, both for the mental health of people and for the economy.

    Rationing is NEVER a freaking solution. Amped up supply is the solution. They should already have been cranking up production of these things by the billions, and I don't just mean the private companies. Trouble is, people sometimes listen too much to the supposed "experts".

    There has to be a balance between listening to "authorities", and an individualist free for all.

    In any situation: investigate and think for yourself, people.

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    New Coronavirus in China



    The coronavirus emerged in only December last year, but already the world is dealing with a pandemic of the virus and the disease it causes - Covid-19.

    For most, the disease is mild, but some people die.

    So how is the virus attacking the body, why are some people being killed and how is it treated?

    Incubation period

    This is when the virus is establishing itself.

    Viruses work by getting inside the cells your body is made of and then hijacking them.

    The coronavirus, officially called Sars-CoV-2, can invade your body when you breathe it in (after someone coughs nearby) or you touch a contaminated surface and then your face.

    It first infects the cells lining your throat, airways and lungs and turns them into "coronavirus factories" that spew out huge numbers of new viruses that go on to infect yet more cells.

    At this early stage, you will not be sick and some people may never develop symptoms.

    The incubation period, the time between infection and first symptoms appearing, varies widely, but is five days on average.



    Mild disease

    This is all most people will experience.

    Covid-19 is a mild infection for eight out of 10 people who get it and the core symptoms are a fever and a cough.

    Body aches, sore throat and a headache are all possible, but not guaranteed.

    The fever, and generally feeling grotty, is a result of your immune system responding to the infection. It has recognised the virus as a hostile invader and signals to the rest of the body something is wrong by releasing chemicals called cytokines.

    These rally the immune system, but also cause the body aches, pain and fever.

    The coronavirus cough is initially a dry one (you're not bringing stuff up) and this is probably down to irritation of cells as they become infected by the virus.

    Some people will eventually start coughing up sputum - a thick mucus containing dead lung cells killed by the virus.

    These symptoms are treated with bed rest, plenty of fluids and paracetamol. You won't need specialist hospital care.

    This stage lasts about a week - at which point most recover because their immune system has fought off the virus.

    However, some will develop a more serious form of Covid-19.

    This is the best we understand at the moment about this stage, however, there are studies emerging that suggest the disease can cause more cold-like symptoms such as a runny nose too.

    Severe disease

    If the disease progresses it will be due to the immune system overreacting to the virus.

    Those chemical signals to the rest of the body cause inflammation, but this needs to be delicately balanced. Too much inflammation can cause collateral damage throughout the body.

    "The virus is triggering an imbalance in the immune response, there's too much inflammation, how it is doing this we don't know," said Dr Nathalie MacDermott, from King's College London.




    Inflammation of the lungs is called pneumonia.

    If it was possible to travel through your mouth down the windpipe and through the tiny tubes in your lungs, you'd eventually end up in tiny little air sacs.

    This is where oxygen moves into the blood and carbon dioxide moves out, but in pneumonia the tiny sacs start to fill with water and can eventually cause shortness of breath and difficulty breathing.

    Some people will need a ventilator to help them breathe.

    This stage is thought to affect around 14% of people, based on data from China .

    Critical disease

    It is estimated around 6% of cases become critically ill.

    By this point the body is starting to fail and there is a real chance of death.

    The problem is the immune system is now spiralling out of control and causing damage throughout the body.

    It can lead to septic shock when the blood pressure drops to dangerously low levels and organs stop working properly or fail completely.

    Acute respiratory distress syndrome caused by widespread inflammation in the lungs stops the body getting enough oxygen it needs to survive. It can stop the kidneys from cleaning the blood and damage the lining of your intestines.

    "The virus sets up such a huge degree of inflammation that you succumb... it becomes multi-organ failure," Dr Bharat Pankhania said.

    And if the immune system cannot get on top of the virus, then it will eventually spread to every corner of the body where it can cause even more damage.




    Treatment by this stage will be highly invasive and can include ECMO or extra-corporeal membrane oxygenation.

    This is essentially an artificial lung that takes blood out of the body through thick tubes, oxygenates it and pumps it back in.

    But eventually the damage can reach fatal levels at which organs can no longer keep the body alive.

    The first deaths

    Doctors have described how some patients died despite their best efforts.

    The first two patients to die at Jinyintan Hospital in Wuhan, China, detailed in the Lancet Medical journal , were seemingly healthy, although they were long-term smokers and that would have weakened their lungs.

    The first, a 61-year-old man, had severe pneumonia by the time he arrived at hospital.

    He was in acute respiratory distress, and despite being put on a ventilator, his lungs failed and his heart stopped beating.

    He died 11 days after he was admitted.

    The second patient, a 69-year-old man, also had acute respiratory distress syndrome.

    He was attached to an ECMO machine but this wasn't enough. He died of severe pneumonia and septic shock when his blood pressure collapsed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Maybe... if people forget their birth control.

    But more importantly, is it safe to conceive a child while being infected with the Coronavirus? It stays dormant for 2 weeks before symptoms appear (if any), then can remain over 30 days in the body after having recovered. A fetus growing with a virus infecting the mother's body may have birth defects. It's well known for the Zika virus (which causes microcephalism). Covid-19 is a new virus. We have no idea what problems it could cause during pregnancy. Nobody seems to be talking about this, but for people in their 20's and 30's this is a much bigger concern than their own health (since the virus is so benign for young adults).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    People don't know what they're talking about when it comes to masks, or they're talking out of both sides of their mouths out of ignorance or to prevent hoarding.

    I AM NOT talking about surgical masks. I'm talking about N95 masks. They're more expensive, but much more effective.

    Yes, it would be better if they were fitted, but less effective doesn't mean not effective at all.

    If they weren't effective in preventing infection they wouldn't have clapped them on all the health care workers. Doctors and nurses in China were so desperate to have them on that they bleached the used ones when they'd worn them awhile and couldn't get new ones.

    Plus, as I said it prevents people from spreading it to others. It certainly would have been a better solution than closing everything down, both for the mental health of people and for the economy.

    Rationing is NEVER a freaking solution. Amped up supply is the solution. They should already have been cranking up production of these things by the billions, and I don't just mean the private companies. Trouble is, people sometimes listen too much to the supposed "experts".

    There has to be a balance between listening to "authorities", and an individualist free for all.

    In any situation: investigate and think for yourself, people.
    I know
    I manage to find 10 from a store that has products about dust of mettalic paints 9600 A multiusable 5-10 times
    and I have my farming mask, which is better many times than KN95 (poisonous farming medicines gas mask) and also eye cover

    even a sanitary napkin is much better than KN95
    KN95 is not a very demanding mask,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    People don't know what they're talking about when it comes to masks, or they're talking out of both sides of their mouths out of ignorance or to prevent hoarding.

    I AM NOT talking about surgical masks. I'm talking about N95 masks. They're more expensive, but much more effective.

    Yes, it would be better if they were fitted, but less effective doesn't mean not effective at all.

    If they weren't effective in preventing infection they wouldn't have clapped them on all the health care workers. Doctors and nurses in China were so desperate to have them on that they bleached the used ones when they'd worn them awhile and couldn't get new ones.

    Plus, as I said it prevents people from spreading it to others. It certainly would have been a better solution than closing everything down, both for the mental health of people and for the economy.

    Rationing is NEVER a freaking solution. Amped up supply is the solution. They should already have been cranking up production of these things by the billions, and I don't just mean the private companies. Trouble is, people sometimes listen too much to the supposed "experts".

    There has to be a balance between listening to "authorities", and an individualist free for all.

    In any situation: investigate and think for yourself, people.
    As far as I know these things are mostly made in ....China.

    In these kind of matter when there is a shortage it’s common sense that health care has priority.

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    bachhhhh
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    I can't stay anymore locked inside my house
    IT has another kind of Koronavirus,
    MY WIFE.

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    Thanks, Duarte. :)

    If the disease progresses it will be due to the immune system overreacting to the virus.

    Those chemical signals to the rest of the body cause inflammation, but this needs to be delicately balanced. Too much inflammation can cause collateral damage throughout the body.

    "The virus is triggering an imbalance in the immune response, there's too much inflammation, how it is doing this we don't know," said Dr Nathalie MacDermott, from King's College London.
    This may be why they're getting some success with rheumatoid arthritis and lupus etc. immune disorder medications. They modulate the immune system not to be too active, without leaving you open to every bacteria or virus.

    Problem is that the biologics are 10,000 per month per person. That's probably why they're using chloroquinine in some places; it's an old time medication for immune disorders, and it's cheap as dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Italy has tested every inhabitant in a small town in the Veneto, population 3,432, and the epicenter of the virus in the Veneto, to try to get more information about this virus.

    Of those infected, more than 50% are asymptomatic, but still highly contagious.
    https://twitter.com/RobertoBurioni/s...07922417893378

    Hope they pass this on to the WHO, who have been slow off the mark during this whole thing.

    We should try to see if there's a copy of the paper available somewhere.

    "Vò became the center of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in Veneto when two people were found positive on 21 February 2020. The next day, one of them, a 78-year-old man, died. This was the first death due to the virus in Italy. The number of infections had also risen to 29.[4] As of 28 February, there were 151 confirmed cases in Veneto, of which 70 cases in the municipality of Vò alone.[5]"


    “This is table broken down by age and sex. Also concerning is 18% false negative rate (another table). Link for full report:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/4506...ienda-Zero-pdf


    I make no claims for the accuracy, as I haven’t read it yet, but I will.

    The response is that factories in Veneto are gearing up to produce their own masks. Makes sense. It’s not like it’s blueprints for the atom bomb factories.

    Isolating them, the percentage of the sick went from 3.2% to .3%, from 88 infected to 7 infected.

    I’m assuming they mean isolating all those who tested positive, and percentage of the sick means people who have symptoms.

    I'll have to read the paper to see if I'm interpreting that correctly. You guys can read it too.

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