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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Exactly right. The same thing is true in Italy. Whole swaths of the Adriatic Coast are leased to German tourism companies for German campers. They don't even eat in the restaurants or go to the bars. They bring food with them to prepare in their campers, their own beer, and on and on.

    Who needs them?

    At least the Brits and the Americans spend money.

    When this is over, cancel all those leases and release all that prime beachfront.
    Oh yeah, in another hotel the people next to us were German but when they first came in their car, the whole back of their car was chock full of German food. At least they stayed in a hotel owned by Greeks.

    About 10 years ago we were in Santorini in early August. The whole island was overrun with Spanish and Italian girls, juniors and seniors in high school and 1st and 2nd year university. How much money could they possibly spend?

    Nowadays in Greece they are investing in more luxurious units to appeal to the upscale crowd. Those people stay in our upscale hotels, eat in our restaurants, shop in our upscale jewelry and clothing stores and book yachts to sail around the islands. These are the kind of tourists we want. Not the hordes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I think the only way out, is forward.

    Perhaps this was a reason why South Korea was less impacted by the spread of Covid-19:



    South Korea has been investing heavily in robotics, due to their aging population, and low-birth rate. Perhaps countries like Italy would benefit from doing the same, since they are experiencing a similar dynamic in their demographics. It would be a better alternative, and less expensive than importing young immigrants to fill the jobs, who also require public assistance.
    I guess the reason why South Korea seem to tackle corona is massive testing and when you are tested positive all your traces (they even download your mobile phone and laptop traces etc) and they seem to publish it on the net too. All very effective I guess in combating a virus... But that's not what I would prefer (big brother is watching you).

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    A negative Coronavirus test doesn't always mean you're free of infection. That's just great.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/scien...rent-infected/

    All sorts of things can affect it, including the health care worker not getting far enough back into the air passages because the patient is pulling back, or, as Dr. Fauci said, if the infection is just beginning, the viral load may not yet be high enough to be detected.

    It's spreading faster and further in Spain than in Italy (and faster yet in U.S.). Perhaps the early quarantine on the hotspots in Lombardia had some effect, and then the Lombardia wide quarantine? Who knows at this point.
    https://english.elpais.com/society/2...html?ssm=TW_CC

    God forbid there's no more abandoned nursing homes with dead and sick patients inside.

    This is what happens when everybody plays pass the buck. If random idiots on Twitter could get information about the pandemic back in January, she has no excuse. Neither do any of the rest of them.
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    "No red flags were given" by the federal government. - New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell on why the city moved forward with Mardi Gras celebrations. "If we were given clear direction we would not have had Mardi Gras and I would've been the leader to cancel it."


    Of course, when Trump closed down flights from China on January 31st, that wasn't enough of a signal. Instead, she and her fellow inhabitants of the "WOKE WORLD" called him a racist.

    People have such selective memories.

    I know it's parochial of me, but everytime I now hear it called the DeBlasio NY virus, I wish to hell DeBlasio hadn't dumped his German father's surname, although he had good cause.

    It also puts my teeth on edge every time some yahoo on the web conflates him with Cuomo. Italian Americans aren't fungible. There are differences: in intellect, rationality, politics, you name it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    I guess the reason why South Korea seem to tackle corona is massive testing and when you are tested positive all your traces (they even download your mobile phone and laptop traces etc) and they seem to publish it on the net too. All very effective I guess in combating a virus... But that's not what I would prefer (big brother is watching you).
    I saw a report on the news, that they are doing it here in the USA as well:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...ta/5078106002/
    There can be no covenants between men and lions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Exactly right. The same thing is true in Italy. Whole swaths of the Adriatic Coast are leased to German tourism companies for German campers. They don't even eat in the restaurants or go to the bars. They bring food with them to prepare in their campers, their own beer, and on and on.

    Who needs them?

    At least the Brits and the Americans spend money.

    When this is over, cancel all those leases and release all that prime beachfront.
    Indeed and the Dutch bring their potatoes with them in their mobile homes....;)

    That are stereotypes and lacks real fundament.

    The biggest spenders in the EU are the Germans.

    Tourism expenditure: highest spending by German residents

    Germans were the biggest EU spenders on international travel, totaling EUR 80.9 billion in 2018
    That is twice as much as number two the French.....

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...rman_residents

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    Perhaps in the future after this, tourism will be an idea that will have to be abandoned or reconverted, just for the Al Hambra or whatever it is called, 3 million people pass each year.


    In any case, in the Europe of the future our Nordic friends will be able to continue enjoying the Mediterranean, at least in Spain there will be no objections, it is because of a humanitarian issue; Although these tourists do not want to spend a lot of money and are of the working class when traveling to Spain they will also be in their country, which will not be at odds with a new idea of ​​my country in which it is conquering new fields and abandoning tourism as the main industry. Since these hordes from all over the world will not be convenient, but a sustainable and internal European tourism I think will always have a place.


    The terrain will be conducive to the mix between Europeans and we will also have to incorporate the gypsy race, we need those genes, they know that to integrate is to disappear, but we will have to try.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I saw a report on the news, that they are doing it here in the USA as well:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...ta/5078106002/

    Quick scan: this looks aggregated info....or are they able to knock on the door?

    In the harbor of Rotterdam they do the same thing at the entrance gates with trucks etc. But that's not traceable....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Quick scan: this looks aggregated info....or are they able to knock on the door?

    In the harbor of Rotterdam they do the same thing at the entrance gates with trucks etc. But that's not traceable....
    For the states that received D, and F grades, (i.e. Wyoming) they probably have to travel greater distances for essentials like groceries. There are cities that have bigger populations, than the entire state. So I could see how it should be taken with a grain of salt, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Perhaps in the future after this, tourism will be an idea that will have to be abandoned or reconverted, just for the Al Hambra or whatever it is called, 3 million people pass each year.


    In any case, in the Europe of the future our Nordic friends will be able to continue enjoying the Mediterranean, at least in Spain there will be no objections, it is because of a humanitarian issue; Although these tourists do not want to spend a lot of money and are of the working class when traveling to Spain they will also be in their country, which will not be at odds with a new idea of ​​my country in which it is conquering new fields and abandoning tourism as the main industry. Since these hordes from all over the world will not be convenient, but a sustainable and internal European tourism I think will always have a place.


    The terrain will be conducive to the mix between Europeans and we will also have to incorporate the gypsy race, we need those genes, they know that to integrate is to disappear, but we will have to try.


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    Wait till the Chinese hordes come :).

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    Germans are the best spenders, according to Eurostat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    For the states that received D, and F grades, (i.e. Wyoming) they probably have to travel greater distances for essentials like groceries. There are cities that have bigger populations, than the entire state. So I could see how it should be taken with a grain of salt, imo.
    Nothing wrong with that as long privacy is guaranteed.....but I have read in one of the newspaper about South Korea that personal privacy is totally irrelevant there. Their choice and I believe immediately that it will be a contribution in fighting corona. Bit this offer looks to big for me....I don't want to live in country where there is no respect for the privat life.

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    Read the title of the linked article, please: Germans were the biggest EU spenders on INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL, totaling EUR 80.9 billion in 2018

    The data in the linked article has to do with percentage of travel receipts (FOR BOTH BUSINESS AND VACATION PURPOSES) to GDP, and has to do with INTERNATIONAL travel receipts.

    Their business people travel a lot, both in Europe and throughout the world.

    Likewise for their vacation travelers.

    I'm talking about how much vacation travelers from these areas spend in SOUTHERN EUROPE, where they can drive in their campers stuffed with food.

    Please don't try to instruct me on how German and Dutch tourists in Italy behave. I've been watching them every summer of my life for decades. I've seen the huge camper grounds along the Adriatic. The stereotypes in this case are based on fact.

    It's their business; let them vacation as they choose, but don't tell me how much money they bring to local economies, because they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagne View Post

    Germans are the best spenders, according to Eurostat...
    That does not discriminate between business travel and leisure travel. Also does not have a per capita travel expenses column. For all we know they could be traveling to Saudi Arabia or China.

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    @bigsnake,

    and again I repeat,
    my brother in law, has 8 rooms at Pieria,
    for 20 years 9/10 were the same tourists,
    cheap tourism, only rooms, max spend 50-100 E per family per week,
    only room payers,
    he even take them free ride with his boat for 2-4 hours at open Thermaikos gulf,
    his rooms were programmed from April,
    with 8 rooms he manage to hire 1 employ and raise his family,
    he has clients from Austria Hungary Serbia Severna Romania Slovakia, Poland,
    cheap tourism, but they return, and make no trouble,

    I prefer this kind of tourism, Than rich swingers, drug tourists, paedophiliacs, porno tourism, and glamour personalities with no respect,

    the problem of tourism is not cheap tourism,
    But the brachelet tourism, (we call such them cause they wear a brachelet at left hand)
    the organised tourism by 3-4 corporations,
    they stay for hours at cafe, with a bottle of water as order,
    they make troubles always outside hotels,
    they drink cheap bomba alchool at hotels,
    and then go outside drunken and fight, or cry, or f.... and next day declare raped, or even sleep at middle of road

    .




    brachelet Tourists,




    consuming frozen orange juice, believe it is fresh,
    frozen meat and vegies from around the world,
    origin, EU country A,
    consuming taxaxion, EU country B
    consuming products, imported frozen,
    corporation taxated in EU country D
    Earns go to EU country E or USA or Russia or Swiss.

    Yes they step Greece, but, never met a Greek, never heard any Greek, never taste Greek cuisine by a Greek, never lived in Greece, etc Spain Italy Malta, .....
    even the flowers they smell at the hotel, imported from Netherlands or Turkey.
    they wear sun protection oil to 'fry' their skin better at forbiden hours, sleeping under sun at beach,
    getting drunk all night.
    and then, oh I have melanoma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Read the title of the linked article, please: Germans were the biggest EU spenders on INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL, totaling EUR 80.9 billion in 2018

    The data in the linked article has to do with percentage of travel receipts (FOR BOTH BUSINESS AND VACATION PURPOSES) to GDP, and has to do with INTERNATIONAL travel receipts.

    Their business people travel a lot, both in Europe and throughout the world.

    Likewise for their vacation travelers.

    I'm talking about how much do they spend in SOUTHERN EUROPE, where they can drive in their campers stuffed with food.

    Please don't try to instruct me on how German tourists in Italy behave. I've been watching them every summer of my life for decades. I've seen the huge camper grounds along the Adriatic. The stereotypes in this case are based on fact.

    It's their business; let them vacation as they choose, but don't tell me how much money they bring to local economies, because they don't.
    At present, the predominant summer tourist flows in Europe are from north to south, to the coastal zone. However, coastal and mountain tourism are the segments that are most vulnerable to climate change, and the Mediterranean region is the world's most popular holiday region: it attracts some 120 million visitors from northern Europe each year, the largest international flow of tourists on the globe, and their spending is in excess of EUR 100 billion (12).
    https://www.climatechangepost.com/germany/tourism/

    A big part of those 100 billion is simply from the Germans, they have the wealth and the amount of citizens. Swedes and Dutch are traveling much more than Germans but have less citizens.

    That's your private view. I have it too. The Germans have much much changed. I know those stereotype and as with the Dutch with their potatoes traveling with them there will be a category that will show that behavior.

    And it's like with the Germans that went to the Frisian isles and along the coast in the Netherlands in the earlier days...

    But nowadays the modern generation Germans, especially those form cities like Berlin, Hamburg or Munich are not of that type. Quite cosmopolitan. They are not one size fits all..... And they have changed Angela....

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    Covid lock-downs, how many days in order to be effective? From the day of diagnosis it takes roughly at least 25 days to 'clear the virus' (transmissibility stops?) for roughly one in four patients. (Korean numbers, where a clearer picture is emerging day by day.)



    Yes, folks, it's true...yet now they blame the federal government, the state government, anyone but themselves and their "WOKE EPIDEMIOLOGISTS".

    "Testing and contact tracing are worse than the disease because they stigmatize those with the illness. I learned this reading leading epidemiologists in the NY TImes.https://nytimes.com/2020/01/27/opinion/china-wuhan-virus-quarantine.html"



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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Wait till the Chinese hordes come :).
    Chinese tourist hordes have been coming for years. If you mean something else, I have already thought about it, everything will depend on the decrease caused by this pandemic in Europe, the invasion of the steppes will be a children's tale in comparison. The Chinese and others are watching what happens; even if it is exceeded, it will have created a precedent and could be repeated in the future, since some too young country tempts luck and old countries have patience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    Belo Horizonte (Southeast): 96


    Thanks for the data and sources Ygorcs.

    Just so as not to leave Belo Horizonte without a face, as you posted a photo of your beautiful Fortaleza, I post a photo of my beautiful Belo Horizonte. I took the photo myself from a drugstore parking lot, in front of the Biocor Hospital, where my mother-in-law was hospitalized until last month with heart problems. She is 82 years old and part of the risk group for COVID-19. Tourism in BH, only if it's business, unlike Fortaleza, with its wonderful beaches that attract leisure tourism. That is the Belvedere/Vila da Serra region, 1,200 m above sea level, where, in June and July, temperatures below zero degrees Celsius are common. Very different from the delicious and tropical Fortaleza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Chinese tourist hordes have been coming for years. If you mean something else, I have already thought about it, everything will depend on the decrease caused by this pandemic in Europe, the invasion of the steppes will be a children's tale in comparison. The Chinese and others are watching what happens; even if it is exceeded, it will have created a precedent and could be repeated in the future, since some too young country tempts luck and old countries have patience.
    You have not seen anything yet :).

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    @ Carlos

    you can recogn them from hundred meters,
    a flock of photographers,
    No one wears black or dark colours,
    all wear hat at midlle of day, but none before or after,
    each shoot 2000 pic per day,
    and they stop to eat KFC like food,
    They are gathered around their quide,







    they follow the 'party' instructions by book, by heart, by mind, by hand,
    AND THEY NEVER GO ALONE OR 2 or 3
    ALWAYS A PROGRAMED GROUP
    even for Parapende flight at mt Olympos




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    Thank you, WHO. I mean, this was early days, yet, but still...


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    · Jan 14

    Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

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    Or maybe they got hoodwinked by the Chinese government?



    Needless to say, the following has to be peer reviewed, and more studies have to be conducted.

    This is why we need mandatory masking in public #masks4al


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    Pre print data suggests that viral aerosol particles are produced by individuals that have the COVID-19 disease, even in the absence of cough. https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2.full.pdf



    Anyone have any idea why this would be? Is it just lag time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Thank you, WHO. I mean, this was early days, yet, but still...


    World Health Organization (WHO)

    · Jan 14

    Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

    .
    Or maybe they got hoodwinked by the Chinese government?



    Needless to say, the following has to be peer reviewed, and more studies have to be conducted.

    This is why we need mandatory masking in public #masks4al


    @CMichaelGibso 14h

    Pre print data suggests that viral aerosol particles are produced by individuals that have the COVID-19 disease, even in the absence of cough. https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2.full.pdf



    Anyone have any idea why this would be? Is it just lag time?

    [IMG][/IMG]

    This is also Germany Angela, they offer some ic-beds to North Italians, French, Dutch:

    Where borders close for others, they open to patients. "We are talking about a human life," said state minister Theresia Bauer in conversation with regional broadcaster SWR.
    Christoph Josten,director of the University Hospital of Leipzig, tells broadcaster MDR that there is sufficient capacity. "We see this as our duty and consciously send a signal of European solidarity and humanity. We help where possible."
    Aachen, Münster have offered it also....

    https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buit...king-nederland

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    The accumulated expenditure of Chinese tourists in Spain in 2019 amounted to 1,675 million euros, representing a growth of 28% compared to the 2018 figure, according to data presented by the Spain-China Tourism Association (Atec) during the "Chinese Tourism 2020" forum, held in Fitur.


    The president of Atec, Rafael Cascales, explained that the expenditure of Chinese tourists in Spain has grown "exponentially" in just five years, while reminding that in 2014 the turnover was only 192 million euros.

    The number of Chinese visitors to Spain is still "far" from those registered in other European destinations such as the United Kingdom, Italy or France, which are close to approximately two million visitors.

    https://www.abc.es/viajar/noticias/a...4_noticia.html



    They really love Spain and they admire us and in recent years they have been making an effort to be more communicative with the natives. They are happy and sparkling but inside, they don't express it as much.


    The EU. He loses all this money that was entered thanks to Spain and its wonders.


    We will have to recycle back to national tourism and if everything goes well and the U.E. She is a collaborator accepting Nordic European tourism as long as they have not traveled to non-EU countries at least in the last 3 months, that will be decided by the experts and I imagine that a specific figure, we are all in the same boat and everything is going to change hopelessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    This is also Germany Angela, they offer some ic-beds to North Italians, French, Dutch:





    Aachen, Münster have offered it also....

    https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buit...king-nederland
    don't bother
    the Germans are the 2nd worst, coming close behind the Chinese
    it's a well-established fact which you can't alter

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    don't bother
    the Germans are the 2nd worst, coming close behind the Chinese
    it's a well-established fact which you can't alter
    ?
    they have a big ic-capcity....may be soon filled (could well be the case), but nevertheless until now they don't give the sign the borders for foreign patients is closed....

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