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Back to the days of mercantilism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism

No cheap tourism in South European countries will be disastrous for their economy.

You can't turn back the clock bigsnake.....

The Southern European counties do not need cheap tourists, they need the tourists that spend a lot of money. Fortunately, more and more the airlines that precipitated cheap tourism are in receivership or closed.

I was in Southern Crete on vacation. There was a hotel there on the beach that catered exclusively to Swedes. The hotel was owned by a Swedish travel company. They were flown on chartered planes to Heraklion and were immediately bussed to their hotel. The buses were Swedish. All meals were included in the package. Most if not all employees at the hotel were Swedish except for the cleaning ladies and the dishwashers who were Albanians. The local economy did not profit at all from their presence. Why should we want these kind of tourists?
 
The Southern European counties do not need cheap tourists, they need the tourists that spend a lot of money. Fortunately, more and more the airlines that precipitated cheap tourism are in receivership or closed.

I was in Southern Crete on vacation. There was a hotel there on the beach that catered exclusively to Swedes. The hotel was owned by a Swedish travel company. The were flown on chartered planes to Heraklion and were immediately bussed to their hotel. The buses were Swedish. All meals were included in the package. Most if not all employees at the hotel were Swedish except for the cleaning ladies and the dishwashers who were Albanians. The local economy did not profit at all from their presence. Why should we want these kind of tourists?

Exactly right. The same thing is true in Italy. Whole swaths of the Adriatic Coast are leased to German tourism companies for German campers. They don't even eat in the restaurants or go to the bars. They bring food with them to prepare in their campers, their own beer, and on and on.

Who needs them?

At least the Brits and the Americans spend money.

When this is over, cancel all those leases and release all that prime beachfront.
 
The Southern European counties do not need cheap tourists, they need the tourists that spend a lot of money. Fortunately, more and more the airlines that precipitated cheap tourism are in receivership or closed.

I was in Southern Crete on vacation. There was a hotel there on the beach that catered exclusively to Swedes. The hotel was owned by a Swedish travel company. They were flown on chartered planes to Heraklion and were immediately bussed to their hotel. The buses were Swedish. All meals were included in the package. Most if not all employees at the hotel were Swedish except for the cleaning ladies and the dishwashers who were Albanians. The local economy did not profit at all from their presence. Why should we want these kind of tourists?

That is what I said before, about corporations, 3-4 corporations control all tourist industry in Europe.
by the way,
If Itravel to USA, and go to Florida or NY, what will I see?
Big Hotels that belong to corporation that belongs to another corporation, that belongs to another corporation,
and immigrants with green card working there, closed at the basement, or on floors with a vacuum cleaner at hand,
workers like 'non habla Inglese' (plz this has nothing to do with racism, but with the image)

on contradictory, my area lives from cheap tourism of Balkans till baltic lands,
that come with family and spend max 250 E for 5-7 days room, bringing even their food, frozen, with the car,
their max spend is about 50-100 E the week for a family of 4,
but they are millions, and come every year,
that is why I have enough friends in Balkans.
my second cousin is married with a Polish lady, she was coming every year for 5 years, by train, and rent a room far from sea, to lower the cost,

Yet some Greeks, wanted to slain the golden goose, and become rich in a year or two,
and treated these people ugly, with different prices etc etc.

my brother in law (+2018) has 8 rooms for rent for summer tourist vacation,
9/10 customers are the same each year, and they are not rich,
that is the tourism we need,
happy satisfied people that will return next year, or advertise to their friends,
not rich and ugly people with their ' I want'

It is not morale to harash a tourist when enters your country,
it is wise to help him leave your country with a smile,
so he will advertise you, and come back.
 
You can't turn back the clock bigsnake.....

I think the only way out, is forward.

Perhaps this was part of the reason why South Korea was less impacted by the spread of Covid-19:

7ucVUPs.jpg


South Korea has been investing heavily in robotics, due to their aging population, and low-birth rate. Perhaps countries like Italy would benefit from doing the same, since they are experiencing a similar dynamic in their demographics. It would be a better alternative, and less expensive than importing young immigrants to fill the jobs, who also require public assistance. If the rest of the world did the same, than we would have no need for China's de facto slavery. Everything would be produced locally, at an even cheaper cost.
 
The Southern European counties do not need cheap tourists, they need the tourists that spend a lot of money. Fortunately, more and more the airlines that precipitated cheap tourism are in receivership or closed.

I was in Southern Crete on vacation. There was a hotel there on the beach that catered exclusively to Swedes. The hotel was owned by a Swedish travel company. They were flown on chartered planes to Heraklion and were immediately bussed to their hotel. The buses were Swedish. All meals were included in the package. Most if not all employees at the hotel were Swedish except for the cleaning ladies and the dishwashers who were Albanians. The local economy did not profit at all from their presence. Why should we want these kind of tourists?


I see the sum of tourism and the spending in the different countries and that's is quite considerate:
https://www.southeusummit.com/europe/southern-europes-tourism-sector-faces-commercial-wipeout/
 
Exactly right. The same thing is true in Italy. Whole swaths of the Adriatic Coast are leased to German tourism companies for German campers. They don't even eat in the restaurants or go to the bars. They bring food with them to prepare in their campers, their own beer, and on and on.

Who needs them?

At least the Brits and the Americans spend money.

When this is over, cancel all those leases and release all that prime beachfront.

Oh yeah, in another hotel the people next to us were German but when they first came in their car, the whole back of their car was chock full of German food. At least they stayed in a hotel owned by Greeks.

About 10 years ago we were in Santorini in early August. The whole island was overrun with Spanish and Italian girls, juniors and seniors in high school and 1st and 2nd year university. How much money could they possibly spend?

Nowadays in Greece they are investing in more luxurious units to appeal to the upscale crowd. Those people stay in our upscale hotels, eat in our restaurants, shop in our upscale jewelry and clothing stores and book yachts to sail around the islands. These are the kind of tourists we want. Not the hordes.
 
I think the only way out, is forward.

Perhaps this was a reason why South Korea was less impacted by the spread of Covid-19:

7ucVUPs.jpg


South Korea has been investing heavily in robotics, due to their aging population, and low-birth rate. Perhaps countries like Italy would benefit from doing the same, since they are experiencing a similar dynamic in their demographics. It would be a better alternative, and less expensive than importing young immigrants to fill the jobs, who also require public assistance.

I guess the reason why South Korea seem to tackle corona is massive testing and when you are tested positive all your traces (they even download your mobile phone and laptop traces etc) and they seem to publish it on the net too. All very effective I guess in combating a virus... But that's not what I would prefer (big brother is watching you).
 
A negative Coronavirus test doesn't always mean you're free of infection. That's just great.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/scie...result-doesnt-always-mean-you-arent-infected/

All sorts of things can affect it, including the health care worker not getting far enough back into the air passages because the patient is pulling back, or, as Dr. Fauci said, if the infection is just beginning, the viral load may not yet be high enough to be detected.

It's spreading faster and further in Spain than in Italy (and faster yet in U.S.). Perhaps the early quarantine on the hotspots in Lombardia had some effect, and then the Lombardia wide quarantine? Who knows at this point.
https://english.elpais.com/society/...er-through-spain-than-in-italy.html?ssm=TW_CC

God forbid there's no more abandoned nursing homes with dead and sick patients inside.

This is what happens when everybody plays pass the buck. If random idiots on Twitter could get information about the pandemic back in January, she has no excuse. Neither do any of the rest of them.
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Of course, when Trump closed down flights from China on January 31st, that wasn't enough of a signal. Instead, she and her fellow inhabitants of the "WOKE WORLD" called him a racist.

People have such selective memories.

I know it's parochial of me, but everytime I now hear it called the DeBlasio NY virus, I wish to hell DeBlasio hadn't dumped his German father's surname, although he had good cause.

It also puts my teeth on edge every time some yahoo on the web conflates him with Cuomo. Italian Americans aren't fungible. There are differences: in intellect, rationality, politics, you name it.


 
I guess the reason why South Korea seem to tackle corona is massive testing and when you are tested positive all your traces (they even download your mobile phone and laptop traces etc) and they seem to publish it on the net too. All very effective I guess in combating a virus... But that's not what I would prefer (big brother is watching you).

I saw a report on the news, that they are doing it here in the USA as well:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...social-distancing-smartphone-data/5078106002/
 
Exactly right. The same thing is true in Italy. Whole swaths of the Adriatic Coast are leased to German tourism companies for German campers. They don't even eat in the restaurants or go to the bars. They bring food with them to prepare in their campers, their own beer, and on and on.

Who needs them?

At least the Brits and the Americans spend money.

When this is over, cancel all those leases and release all that prime beachfront.

Indeed and the Dutch bring their potatoes with them in their mobile homes....;)

That are stereotypes and lacks real fundament.

The biggest spenders in the EU are the Germans.

Tourism expenditure: highest spending by German residents

[FONT=open_sansregular]Germans were the biggest EU spenders on international travel, totaling EUR 80.9 billion in 2018[/FONT]

That is twice as much as number two the French.....

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/stati...nditure:_highest_spending_by_German_residents
 
Perhaps in the future after this, tourism will be an idea that will have to be abandoned or reconverted, just for the Al Hambra or whatever it is called, 3 million people pass each year.


In any case, in the Europe of the future our Nordic friends will be able to continue enjoying the Mediterranean, at least in Spain there will be no objections, it is because of a humanitarian issue; Although these tourists do not want to spend a lot of money and are of the working class when traveling to Spain they will also be in their country, which will not be at odds with a new idea of ​​my country in which it is conquering new fields and abandoning tourism as the main industry. Since these hordes from all over the world will not be convenient, but a sustainable and internal European tourism I think will always have a place.


The terrain will be conducive to the mix between Europeans and we will also have to incorporate the gypsy race, we need those genes, they know that to integrate is to disappear, but we will have to try.


A secret: You don't know how my soul longs for a whole week raining.
 
Quick scan: this looks aggregated info....or are they able to knock on the door?

In the harbor of Rotterdam they do the same thing at the entrance gates with trucks etc. But that's not traceable....

For the states that received D, and F grades, (i.e. Wyoming) they probably have to travel greater distances for essentials like groceries. There are cities that have bigger populations, than the entire state. So I could see how it should be taken with a grain of salt, imo.
 
Perhaps in the future after this, tourism will be an idea that will have to be abandoned or reconverted, just for the Al Hambra or whatever it is called, 3 million people pass each year.


In any case, in the Europe of the future our Nordic friends will be able to continue enjoying the Mediterranean, at least in Spain there will be no objections, it is because of a humanitarian issue; Although these tourists do not want to spend a lot of money and are of the working class when traveling to Spain they will also be in their country, which will not be at odds with a new idea of ​​my country in which it is conquering new fields and abandoning tourism as the main industry. Since these hordes from all over the world will not be convenient, but a sustainable and internal European tourism I think will always have a place.


The terrain will be conducive to the mix between Europeans and we will also have to incorporate the gypsy race, we need those genes, they know that to integrate is to disappear, but we will have to try.


A secret: You don't know how my soul longs for a whole week raining.

Wait till the Chinese hordes come :).
 
For the states that received D, and F grades, (i.e. Wyoming) they probably have to travel greater distances for essentials like groceries. There are cities that have bigger populations, than the entire state. So I could see how it should be taken with a grain of salt, imo.

Nothing wrong with that as long privacy is guaranteed.....but I have read in one of the newspaper about South Korea that personal privacy is totally irrelevant there. Their choice and I believe immediately that it will be a contribution in fighting corona. Bit this offer looks to big for me....I don't want to live in country where there is no respect for the privat life.
 
Read the title of the linked article, please: Germans were the biggest EU spenders on INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL, totaling EUR 80.9 billion in 2018

The data in the linked article has to do with percentage of travel receipts (FOR BOTH BUSINESS AND VACATION PURPOSES) to GDP, and has to do with INTERNATIONAL travel receipts.

Their business people travel a lot, both in Europe and throughout the world.

Likewise for their vacation travelers.

I'm talking about how much vacation travelers from these areas spend in SOUTHERN EUROPE, where they can drive in their campers stuffed with food.

Please don't try to instruct me on how German and Dutch tourists in Italy behave. I've been watching them every summer of my life for decades. I've seen the huge camper grounds along the Adriatic. The stereotypes in this case are based on fact.

It's their business; let them vacation as they choose, but don't tell me how much money they bring to local economies, because they don't.
 
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Germans are the best spenders, according to Eurostat...

That does not discriminate between business travel and leisure travel. Also does not have a per capita travel expenses column. For all we know they could be traveling to Saudi Arabia or China.
 
@bigsnake,

and again I repeat,
my brother in law, has 8 rooms at Pieria,
for 20 years 9/10 were the same tourists,
cheap tourism, only rooms, max spend 50-100 E per family per week,
only room payers,
he even take them free ride with his boat for 2-4 hours at open Thermaikos gulf,
his rooms were programmed from April,
with 8 rooms he manage to hire 1 employ and raise his family,
he has clients from Austria Hungary Serbia Severna Romania Slovakia, Poland,
cheap tourism, but they return, and make no trouble,

I prefer this kind of tourism, Than rich swingers, drug tourists, paedophiliacs, porno tourism, and glamour personalities with no respect,

the problem of tourism is not cheap tourism,
But the brachelet tourism, (we call such them cause they wear a brachelet at left hand)
the organised tourism by 3-4 corporations,
they stay for hours at cafe, with a bottle of water as order,
they make troubles always outside hotels,
they drink cheap bomba alchool at hotels,
and then go outside drunken and fight, or cry, or f.... and next day declare raped, or even sleep at middle of road

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brachelet Tourists,


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consuming frozen orange juice, believe it is fresh,
frozen meat and vegies from around the world,
origin, EU country A,
consuming taxaxion, EU country B
consuming products, imported frozen,
corporation taxated in EU country D
Earns go to EU country E or USA or Russia or Swiss.

Yes they step Greece, but, never met a Greek, never heard any Greek, never taste Greek cuisine by a Greek, never lived in Greece, etc Spain Italy Malta, .....
even the flowers they smell at the hotel, imported from Netherlands or Turkey.
they wear sun protection oil to 'fry' their skin better at forbiden hours, sleeping under sun at beach,
getting drunk all night.
and then, oh I have melanoma.
 
Read the title of the linked article, please: Germans were the biggest EU spenders on INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL, totaling EUR 80.9 billion in 2018

The data in the linked article has to do with percentage of travel receipts (FOR BOTH BUSINESS AND VACATION PURPOSES) to GDP, and has to do with INTERNATIONAL travel receipts.

Their business people travel a lot, both in Europe and throughout the world.

Likewise for their vacation travelers.

I'm talking about how much do they spend in SOUTHERN EUROPE, where they can drive in their campers stuffed with food.

Please don't try to instruct me on how German tourists in Italy behave. I've been watching them every summer of my life for decades. I've seen the huge camper grounds along the Adriatic. The stereotypes in this case are based on fact.

It's their business; let them vacation as they choose, but don't tell me how much money they bring to local economies, because they don't.

At present, the predominant summer tourist flows in Europe are from north to south, to the coastal zone. However, coastal and mountain tourism are the segments that are most vulnerable to climate change, and the Mediterranean region is the world's most popular holiday region: it attracts some 120 million visitors from northern Europe each year, the largest international flow of tourists on the globe, and their spending is in excess of EUR 100 billion (12).

https://www.climatechangepost.com/germany/tourism/

A big part of those 100 billion is simply from the Germans, they have the wealth and the amount of citizens. Swedes and Dutch are traveling much more than Germans but have less citizens.

That's your private view. I have it too. The Germans have much much changed. I know those stereotype and as with the Dutch with their potatoes traveling with them there will be a category that will show that behavior.

And it's like with the Germans that went to the Frisian isles and along the coast in the Netherlands in the earlier days...

But nowadays the modern generation Germans, especially those form cities like Berlin, Hamburg or Munich are not of that type. Quite cosmopolitan. They are not one size fits all..... And they have changed Angela....
 

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