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    How to survive a pandemic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    chinese export

    2 days ago we received 1.7 million masks at Greece,

    Yeah, well, good luck to us all with that, indeed, given so many of the masks (and kits) delivered to the Dutch were defective.

    That's been the whole problem with the masks from the beginning. They were made in China no matter the company. That was part of the conflict the U.S. had with the Chinese in the beginning. China stopped the export of masks to us even if they were made in a factory built by the U.S.

    It's all water under the bridge. If our economy survives, it's a lesson for the future.


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    I hope these were made elsewhere...

    Italian hospital shows what it takes for healthcare workers not to get infected; unfortunately, there aren't enough of this kind of advanced PPE for all the hospitals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Yeah, well, good luck to us all with that, indeed, given so many of the masks (and kits) delivered to the Dutch were defective.

    That's been the whole problem with the masks from the beginning. They were made in China no matter the company. That was part of the conflict the U.S. had with the Chinese in the beginning. China stopped the export of masks to us even if they were made in a factory built by the U.S.

    It's all water under the bridge. If our economy survives, it's a lesson for the future.
    Angela, USA bought 5 million masks FFP2 that was for France, offering double price, from China,
    and no they did not stop to USA, they go via Mexico, or others,


    It is as member Salento said, 2-3 posts before,


    Coronavirus, ram it down, Unions, federations, Alliances, even working conditions,

    Turkey block masks made in Turkey ordered by Italy
    Italy blocks made in Italy order by Greece,
    and now USA pays double money to China to buy the masks, madein China, order by France,
    In China they a doctor that spoke about Coronavirus to police to force him sign fake news,
    in USA they are firing meds and Nurses that complain about lack of safety,
    at Spain they found that elder nursing hospitals, had become massive tombs
    at Italy anaesthiologists are force to play God,


    Absolute madness,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Angela, you just bought 5 million masks FFP2 that was for France, offering double price, from China,
    and no they did not stop to USA, they go via Mexico, or others,


    It is as member Salento said, 2-3 posts before,


    Coronavirus rum it down Unions, federations, Alliances, even working conditions,
    I know, I read them. I'm talking about something that happened two weeks ago or more.

    This increase in pricing is happening with everything: bleach, cleaning products etc.

    When I bought some masks almost two months ago I paid just over a dollar. Within two weeks it went to 7 dollars. It's called supply and demand.

    Or call it bartering, which has been going on for a hell of a lot longer than capitalism.

    If France hadn't yet signed a contract, they have no recourse. If they did, they can sue China, for all the good that will do them given it's China and the times we're living in. They have no course of action against the U.S.

    It's called every country for itself.The U.S. and France are not in any union, after all.

    Oh, and in China whistle blowers lately haven't been fired; they disappear.

    Fwiw, I agree with you: it's absolute madness.

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    while nations cannot work and make money due to this pandemic ........the chinese have a lot of "cannon-fodder populace" to continue to work to make profit from other nations misery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Or call it bartering, which has been going on for a hell of a lot longer than capitalism.

    If France hadn't yet signed a contract, they have no recourse. If they did, they can sue China, for all the good that will do them given it's China and the times we're living in. They have no course of action against the U.S.

    It's called every country for itself.The U.S. and France are not in any union, after all.

    Oh, and in China whistle blowers lately haven't been fired; they disappear.

    Fwiw, I agree with you: it's absolute madness.
    Well I will not call these situations as Capitalism, rather as Oportunism, and Anarchy
    and chinese know well how to control it,
    and Fance is in EU,
    USA is a Union by its shelf,
    And both are top of NATO,

    and there is no need to 'dissapear' someone,
    Firing, with these 'unemployment' days is better, more torturing,

    he would love to see modern madness.



    As for EU,
    Europe knows the cannibalization of WUDO.
    a new modern cannibalization, then a new Union,

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    Thank goodness; the Paycheck Protection Program goes into effect tomorrow. Small businesses (i.e.500 or fewer employees) will get loans, and if the money is used for wages for employees and overhead it is totally forgiveable.

    There are also tax credits to put against your tax bill for each employee you keep or rehire.

    This will make a tremendous difference given that half of our business is conducted by "small" businesses.

    @Yetos,
    Let's say you were selling your house last August for 500K Euro. You were offered 500K, but someone knocked on your door and said he really loves it and he'll give you 550K. To whom would you sell?

    That's our business. It's called a bidding war and happens every day, and I'm sure it happens in Greece too.

    This is how the real world works.

    There is also no freaking way it's better to have to try to find another job as a nurse, especially now, than to be killed or thrown into a prison to rot for the rest of your days.

    As for totalitarianism, Hungary has already slipped into a dictatorship, while Russia has always been one. We'll see who are the next to fall.

    Another piece of good news: Trump will do as Cuomo asked and the federal government will run the converted Javits center as a dedicated COVID 19 hospital. This is what needs to be done: get the Covid patients out of the regular hospitals and into specialized facilities to limit the transfer of the infection, and so special procedures can be set up to maintain the health of the staff.

    Doctors and other medical staff from across the country in areas where there is less of a problem are being asked to go online to a special site to volunteer to work in areas like New York, New Orleans and Detroit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Thank goodness; the Paycheck Protection Program goes into effect tomorrow. Small businesses (i.e.500 or fewer employees) will get loans, and if the money is used for wages for employees and overhead it is totally forgiveable.

    There are also tax credits to put against your tax bill for each employee you keep or rehire.

    This will make a tremendous difference given that half of our business is conducted by "small" businesses.

    @Yetos,
    Let's say you were selling your house last August for 500K Euro. You were offered 500K, but someone knocked on your door and said he really loves it and he'll give you 550K. To whom would you sell?

    That's our business. It's called a bidding war and happens every day, and I'm sure it happens in Greece too.

    This is how the real world works.

    There is also no freaking way it's better to have to try to find another job as a nurse, especially now, than to be killed or thrown into a prison to rot for the rest of your days.

    As for totalitarianism, Hungary has already slipped into a dictatorship, while Russia has always been one. We'll see who are the next to fall.

    Another piece of good news: Trump will do as Cuomo asked and the federal government will run the converted Javits center as a dedicated COVID 19 hospital. This is what needs to be done: get the Covid patients out of the regular hospitals and into specialized facilities to limit the transfer of the infection, and so special procedures can be set up to maintain the health of the staff.

    Doctors and other medical staff from across the country in areas where there is less of a problem are being asked to go online to a special site to volunteer to work in areas like New York, New Orleans and Detroit.
    Yes Angela, this is how things are done,
    if you had an imaginary brother at Italy,
    who worked to pay for Visa tickets etc to send you other side of ocean,
    and you get rich there but never pay back,
    Then if he sells your part of heritage at 1 000 000 E,
    but say to you I sold 500 000, and gives you 250 000
    Then you will not have any problem,
    this is also how things are done today at modern Capitalism.
    the word is TRUST

    we still both have patience.

    we have seen people beaten in China,
    people die in Europe at least at hospitals by Euthanasia
    we also have seen some other countries people die on streets,
    by Corona, but never confirmed,

    so NATO is just a tale about fairries nowdays,
    As Macron said, a brain dead organisation.

    as for Orban and Hungary, all EU members know and wait,
    As for Russia,
    it is not Europeans, BUT USAers who say that he had help from Putin, , the other blond on the other side of world.
    well did his 'brother' Putin help? or not? 60 tons of masks.
    offcourse you may prefer the sister of Sorros,

    at the aftermath
    EU is bad for not helping the surpised by Coronavirus Italy
    But USA done fair for 'stealing' the ready to transer masks from China, altough had 1 month more to prepare. and in the other side of ocean, !!!!!!
    and also accepts from, how you said it? Totalitarist Dictator of Russia medical supplies,

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-159009

    the political ally of Trump and USA, The total... (tongue bind) dictator and his friend.




    AND I WONDER, WHY PUTIN DID NOT SEND HELP TO ITALY? WHY DID NOT SEND HELP TO SPAIN? (the most beaten)
    BUT SEND TO USA !!!!
    (next common move?)


    PS
    some of us have 'heart' and we are always ... at economics.
    some of us have honor, and we try not to give our word of honor easy,
    but when we give it is a 'law'
    some of us have money,we accuse others, we make embargo, we make whatever 'noise', financial sanctions etc etc.
    but when 'wheel turns' as a 'wet cat' they turn down face. and pay the fine, double,
    Both is capitalism.
    Remember China was build after 'Chicago model' that allow capitals to move abroad, after Vietnam war.
    Last edited by Yetos; 03-04-20 at 02:04.

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    The corona crisis hit in the Netherlands right now. A kind of neo Dutch: a mix of Maroc, Surinam and Dutch style rap/slang......

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    statistics upon yesterday data
    according confirmed rate

    Spain has broken all the records, of what we call big Europe's countriesrecovery rate
    spread of virus
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    COUNTRY Population /1000 Confirmed infected deaths upon confirmed recover Confirmed infected /1000 people deaths /confirmed infected Recover rate















    1 San Marino 33 245 30 21 7,4242 0,1224 0,6364
    Europe with Spain's Statistics (No Russia-No Turkey)
    2 Andora 76 428 12 10 5,6316 0,0280 0,1316
    3 Luxenbourg 614 2487 30 80 4,0505 0,0121 0,1303


    4 Iceland 364 1319 4 284 3,6236 0,0030 0,7802
    Infected Deaths
    5 Feroe isls 52 179 0 91 3,4423 0,0000 1,7500
    1447497,66 55738,84
    6 Spain 46733 112065 10348 26743 2,3980 0,0923 0,5723


    7 Swiss 8570 18827 536 4013 2,1968 0,0285 0,4683
    Europe with Italy's Statistics (No Russia-No Turkey)
    8 Liechtenstein 39 75 0 0 1,9231 0,0000 0,0000
    9 Italy 60318 115242 13915 18278 1,9106 0,1207 0,3030


    10 Belgium 11516 15348 1011 2495 1,3328 0,0659 0,2167
    Infected Deaths
    11 Austria 8903 11199 158 1749 1,2579 0,0141 0,1965
    1153281,67 72885,97
    12 Deutch 83149 84794 1107 22440 1,0198 0,0131 0,2699


    13 EU 449507 455519 34417 86762 1,0134 0,0756 0,1930


    14 Norway 5368 5218 50 32 0,9721 0,0096 0,0060


    15 France 67022 59105 5387 12428 0,8819 0,0911 0,1854


    16 Porugal 10277 9034 209 68 0,8791 0,0231 0,0066
    USA with Spain's statistics
    17 Netherlands 17425 14697 1339 250 0,8434 0,0911 0,0143
    18 USA 328240 245573 6058 9228 0,7482 0,0247 0,0281


    19 Esthonia 1328 858 11 45 0,6461 0,0128 0,0339
    Infected Deaths
    20 Ireland 6573 3849 98 5 0,5856 0,0255 0,0008
    787114,36 30309,44
    21 Denmark 5823 3386 123 1089 0,5815 0,0363 0,1870


    22 sweden 10303 5568 308 103 0,5404 0,0553 0,0100
    USA with Italy's statistics
    23 UK 67547 33718 2921 135 0,4992 0,0866 0,0020
    24 Slovenia 2100 897 17 70 0,4271 0,0190 0,0333


    25 Malta 494 196 0 2 0,3968 0,0000 0,0040
    Infected Deaths
    26 Czech 10650 3869 46 71 0,3633 0,0119 0,0067
    627126,80 39633,64
    27 Cyprus 1189 356 10 28 0,2994 0,0281 0,0235


    28 Finland 5521 1615 19 300 0,2925 0,0118 0,0543


    29 Lettonia 1920 493 0 31 0,2568 0,0000 0,0161


    30 Montenegro 631 160 2 0 0,2536 0,0125 0,0000


    31 Lithuania 2794 696 9 7 0,2491 0,0129 0,0025
    32 Croatia 4076 1011 7 18 0,2480 0,0069 0,0044
    33 Turkey 82004 18135 356 415 0,2211 0,0196 0,0051
    34 Moldova 2682 505 6 23 0,1883 0,0119 0,0086
    China with Spain's statistics
    35 Severna Mac 2077 384 11 17 0,1849 0,0286 0,0082
    36 Serbia 6964 1171 31 0 0,1682 0,0265 0,0000


    37 Bosnia 3511 543 16 27 0,1547 0,0295 0,0077
    Infected Deaths
    38 Greece 10768 1544 53 61 0,1434 0,0343 0,0057
    3423477,48 131827,97
    39 Romania 19402 2738 116 267 0,1411 0,0424 0,0138
    40 Albania 2877 277 16 76 0,0963 0,0578 0,0264
    China with Italy's statistics
    41 Slovakia 5450 426 1 5 0,0782 0,0023 0,0009
    42 Poland 38386 2946 57 56 0,0767 0,0193 0,0015


    43 Kossovo 1810 126 1 10 0,0696 0,0079 0,0055
    Infected Deaths
    44 Bulgaria 7000 477 12 30 0,0681 0,0252 0,0043
    2727627,09 172382,65
    45 Hungary 9773 623 26 43 0,0637 0,0417 0,0044
    46 mainland China 1427648 82464 3326 76741 0,0578 0,0403 0,0538
    47 Belarus 9492 304 4 53 0,0320 0,0132 0,0056
    48 Russia 146745 4149 34 281 0,0283 0,0082 0,0019
    49 Ukraine 42031 942 23 19 0,0224 0,0244 0,0005

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    1 San Marino 33 245 30 21 7,4242 0,1224 0,6364
    2 Italy 60318 115242 13915 18278 1,9106 0,1207 0,3030
    3 Spain 46733 112065 10348 26743 2,3980 0,0923 0,5723
    4 France 67022 59105 5387 12428 0,8819 0,0911 0,1854
    5 Netherlands 17425 14697 1339 250 0,8434 0,0911 0,0143
    6 UK 67547 33718 2921 135 0,4992 0,0866 0,0020
    7 EU 449507 455519 34417 86762 1,0134 0,0756 0,1930
    8 Belgium 11516 15348 1011 2495 1,3328 0,0659 0,2167
    9 Albania 2877 277 16 76 0,0963 0,0578 0,0264
    10 sweden 10303 5568 308 103 0,5404 0,0553 0,0100
    11 Romania 19402 2738 116 267 0,1411 0,0424 0,0138
    12 Hungary 9773 623 26 43 0,0637 0,0417 0,0044
    13 mainland China 1427648 82464 3326 76741 0,0578 0,0403 0,0538
    14 Denmark 5823 3386 123 1089 0,5815 0,0363 0,1870
    15 Greece 10768 1544 53 61 0,1434 0,0343 0,0057
    16 Bosnia 3511 543 16 27 0,1547 0,0295 0,0077
    17 Severna Mac 2077 384 11 17 0,1849 0,0286 0,0082
    18 Swiss 8570 18827 536 4013 2,1968 0,0285 0,4683
    19 Cyprus 1189 356 10 28 0,2994 0,0281 0,0235
    20 Andora 76 428 12 10 5,6316 0,0280 0,1316
    21 Serbia 6964 1171 31 0 0,1682 0,0265 0,0000
    22 Ireland 6573 3849 98 5 0,5856 0,0255 0,0008
    23 Bulgaria 7000 477 12 30 0,0681 0,0252 0,0043
    24 USA 328240 245573 6058 9228 0,7482 0,0247 0,0281
    25 Ukraine 42031 942 23 19 0,0224 0,0244 0,0005
    26 Porugal 10277 9034 209 68 0,8791 0,0231 0,0066
    27 Turkey 82004 18135 356 415 0,2211 0,0196 0,0051
    28 Poland 38386 2946 57 56 0,0767 0,0193 0,0015
    29 Slovenia 2100 897 17 70 0,4271 0,0190 0,0333
    30 Austria 8903 11199 158 1749 1,2579 0,0141 0,1965
    31 Belarus 9492 304 4 53 0,0320 0,0132 0,0056
    32 Deutch 83149 84794 1107 22440 1,0198 0,0131 0,2699
    33 Lithuania 2794 696 9 7 0,2491 0,0129 0,0025
    34 Esthonia 1328 858 11 45 0,6461 0,0128 0,0339
    35 Montenegro 631 160 2 0 0,2536 0,0125 0,0000
    36 Luxenbourg 614 2487 30 80 4,0505 0,0121 0,1303
    37 Czech 10650 3869 46 71 0,3633 0,0119 0,0067
    38 Moldova 2682 505 6 23 0,1883 0,0119 0,0086
    39 Finland 5521 1615 19 300 0,2925 0,0118 0,0543
    40 Norway 5368 5218 50 32 0,9721 0,0096 0,0060
    41 Russia 146745 4149 34 281 0,0283 0,0082 0,0019
    42 Kossovo 1810 126 1 10 0,0696 0,0079 0,0055
    43 Croatia 4076 1011 7 18 0,2480 0,0069 0,0044
    44 Iceland 364 1319 4 284 3,6236 0,0030 0,7802
    45 Slovakia 5450 426 1 5 0,0782 0,0023 0,0009
    46 Feroe isls 52 179 0 91 3,4423 0,0000 1,7500
    47 Liechtenstein 39 75 0 0 1,9231 0,0000 0,0000
    48 Malta 494 196 0 2 0,3968 0,0000 0,0040
    49 Lettonia 1920 493 0 31 0,2568 0,0000 0,0161

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    CONFIRMED CASES IN SPAIN AT 12:00 PM


    Below we share the total number of cases registered in Spain and their distribution by Autonomous Communities since the first occurred, that of a German patient in La Gomera (Canary Islands):


    03/04/2020 12:16



    - Madrid: 34.188 (4.483 fallecidos)
    - Cataluña: 23.460 (2.335 fallecidos)
    - Castilla-La Mancha: 8.523 (916 fallecidos)
    - Castilla y León: 7.875 (723 fallecidos)
    - País Vasco: 7.827 (444 fallecidos)
    - Andalucía: 7.374 (376 fallecidos)
    - Comunidad Valenciana: 6.624 (511 fallecidos)
    - Galicia: 5.219 (138 fallecidos)
    - Navarra: 2.836 (151 fallecidos)
    - Aragón: 2.889 (224 fallecidos)
    - La Rioja: 2.224 (109 fallecidos)
    - Extremadura: 1.893 (200 fallecidos)
    - Canarias: 1.490 (73 fallecidos)
    - Asturias: 1.433 (70 fallecidos)
    - Cantabria: 1.321 (64 fallecidos)
    - Baleares: 1.257 (69 fallecidos)
    - Murcia: 1.145 (46 fallecidos)
    - Melilla: 70 (2 fallecidos)
    - Ceuta: 62 (1 fallecido)
    Total de casos: 117.710
    Dados de alta: 30.513
    Fallecidos: 10.935

    https://as.com/diarioas/2020/04/03/a...75_775650.html

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    This is going to make a real difference!

    FDA approves first antibody test in the US to detect the coronavirus

    https://www.livescience.com/first-co...e=notification
    There can be no covenants between men and lions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-159009

    [/B]the political ally of Trump and USA, The total... (tongue bind) dictator and his friend.




    AND I WONDER, WHY PUTIN DID NOT SEND HELP TO ITALY? WHY DID NOT SEND HELP TO SPAIN? (the most beaten)
    BUT SEND TO USA !!!!
    (next common move?)
    Putin did send help to Italy, but it was as symbolic as his aid to the US
    it's a mere publicity stunt

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    So much for it's under control in China...

    "Reuters: COMMUNIST PARTY SECRETARY OF CHINA'S WUHAN SAYS RESIDENTS OF CITY SHOULD AVOID GOING OUT IF NOT NECESSARY".

    Or Singapore...
    "
    JUST IN: Singapore prime minister says most workplaces, except for essential services and key economic sectors, to be closed for a month starting next Tuesday. Follow our live blog for the latest updates: https://reut.rs/31RorVL"

    Maybe they're seeing things that aren't in the "official" numbers yet.

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    First testing kits, then masks, now protective gowns. From where? China.

    "RTÉ News has learned that part of the consignment of Personal Protective Equipment recently distributed to Covid-19 test centres, as well as mobile ambulance units and hospitals, has been described as "unusable" by some healthcare workers | https://bit.ly/3aGJvlE"



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    Paper in "Nature"...Efficacy of face masks...

    See:
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    We identified seasonal human coronaviruses, influenza viruses and rhinoviruses in exhaled breath and coughs of children and adults with acute respiratory illness. Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals."


    And that's just a surgical mask.

    Now, will the CDC get off its behind?



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    ^^Everything with communist governments are nothing but a cheap facade that crumbles away when reality comes crashing down on it.

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    This is the third such report I've seen. It explains those videos of people in China and now Ecuador just dropping in the streets.

    And the-hits-just-keep-a-coming.

    "Neurologists around the world say that a small subset of patients with Covid-19 are developing serious impairments of the brain. Some don't even have more typical symptoms like fever or shortness of breath."
    New York Times

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    Jeff Bezos donates 100 million to food banks in U.S.

    How about he also pays all those poor Amazon employees in the warehouses a living wage so they don't have to live in trailers.

    Guess he was too busy having his mid-life crisis with a family friend to give proper thought to how it could be done.

    Jerk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Paper in "Nature"...Efficacy of face masks...

    See:
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    We identified seasonal human coronaviruses, influenza viruses and rhinoviruses in exhaled breath and coughs of children and adults with acute respiratory illness. Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals."


    And that's just a surgical mask.

    Now, will the CDC get off its behind?


    Will there be enough for everybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Will there be enough for everybody?
    production has to be scaled up by a factor 10 or more

    impossible, whether in China or domestic

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    To be fair, weren't most countries just counting the deaths in hospitals? Some countries weren't even counting a death as a death "by" coronavirus if there were comorbidities present. I think that was/is the case in Germany.

    Of course, it plays hell with the statistics for those trying to do projections based on lethality.

    "French nursing home deaths soar since coronavirus outbreak

    They weren’t including nursing home deaths?
    "


    Speaking of hell, they used to describe really horrendous behavior by saying "there's a special place in hell for..." Well, that applies to those who left the elderly in those nursing homes in Spain to fend for themselves and die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Will there be enough for everybody?
    Now? No. Maybe they're waiting to announce the change in policy until they have companies online ready to rev up production if they haven't done it already.

    However, in the interim people can make them. Not the N95 or N99s, but even the surgical masks do a good job according to the paper, and even just with cloth you could make a reasonable facsimile. They'd have to be washed and disinfected every day, I guess.

    I think there are already instructions online, even on youtube.

    I'm not saying the reluctance to tell people to wear them was just because they wanted to make sure there were enough for health professionals, police, etc.

    From the last briefing it seems as if probably there is a debate within the CDC because some of the health care professionals are afraid that some people won't be able to grasp how not to infect themselves and others through improper use of them, and those same people are probably the ones prone to risky behavior like not staying home and keeping a safe distance, and having a mask will make them feel safer and so even more prone to risky behavior.

    After a number of years observing people like that I'd say it doesn't matter. They won't be disinfecting surfaces they touch, they won't be observing the lockdown etc. etc. so it doesn't matter.


    Oh, an example of just how much of a doofus De Blasio is...
    The NYPD is losing officers every day because they come down with Covid 19, which is to be expected just from the job they do, never mind the druggies and homeless spitting at them, but De Blasio couldn't get them any masks. The head of the NYPD called the White House directly through some contact in order to get some. God helps those who help themselves, as they say...

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