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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    What a specialist said is really true. It is really strange that this virus are making even young adult with too strong immunity to be dangerous and old people with weak one except child. How to explain that?
    This is data from World Health Organisation regarding confirmed infections worldwide on a daily bases.

    I am not going into debating virus itself, i think i am not professional enough. However i can clearly see the infection chart is exponentially rising and its not still showing signs of weakness.

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    New phase of the coronavirus in Spain: The Government changes its strategy

    María José Sierra, director of the CCAES, has indicated that they expect the result "in a few weeks"


    Spain is preparing a study to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. | EFE


    The Government has reported this Sunday that a "seroprevalence" study will be started "now" to find out what percentage of the population has passed Covid-19 in Spain, with antibody tests that allow calculating how many people are already immunized against to the virus.

    https://lanoticia.digital/amp/espana/nueva-fase-del-coronavirus-espana-gobierno-cambia-estrategia?
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    Meanwhile,
    no matter the 'No Brain' risky people,
    no Matter the 'Old habbit' people,
    no matter the snowing at April !!!!
    We have also to face the 'faithfull' ones

    religious foundamentals, protesting
    yelling, _'our Saints died for God, open the churches now'


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Meanwhile,
    no matter the 'No Brain' risky people,
    no Matter the 'Old habbit' people,
    We have also to face the 'faithfull' ones

    religious foundamentals, protesting
    yelling, _'our Saints died for God, open the churches now'



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    Just in case you were thinking that the travel ban from China was effective:

    "Since Chinese officials disclosed the outbreak of a mysterious pneumonialike illness to international health officials on New Year’s Eve, at least 430,000 people have arrived in the United States on direct flights from China, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after President Donald Trump imposed restrictions on such travel, according to an analysis of data collected in both countries.The bulk of the passengers, who were of multiple nationalities, arrived in January, at airports in Los Angeles; San Francisco; New York; Chicago; Seattle; Newark, New Jersey; and Detroit. Thousands of them flew directly from Wuhan, the center of the coronavirus outbreak, as American public health officials were only beginning to assess the risks to the United States.
    Flights continued this past week, the data show, with passengers traveling from Beijing to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York, under rules that exempt Americans and some others from the clampdown that took effect on Feb. 2. In all, 279 flights from China have arrived in the United States since then, and screening procedures have been uneven, interviews show."
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/430-000-p...145937459.html
    Seal the borders, eh? This does not count the ones that came indirectly.



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    I have drenching myself in reports of Covid 19/Wuhan Flu for months now, and my take away are these...

    Best channel for medical reporting is JAMA.
    W.H.O. is one of the worst because of China's obvious influence.

    To get accurate real time reporting on developments that impact the common man, I actually go to "boots on the ground" instead of legacy media outlets like CNN. It's more difficult now because many search engines (esp. Youtube's) stack establishment agencies in the first twenty or thirty returns. Reuters, N.B.C., N.Y. Times, etc. hog all the best spots.

    BUT if you look hard enough you can get around the unofficial blockade.

    Here's what I have observed as of 4/5/20:

    In the U.S. our social distancing measures have been extremely effective. We have learned costly lessons from China, and then from Italy and Spain. Yes the numbers in New York City are terrible today, but we could easily have had another zero or even two in front of these mortality totals if we weren't so careful. In NYC, there don't appear to be huge outpourings of ill people in the temporary medical tents or even the Navy rescue ship. Most ambulances in the city seem to be quite now, thankfully. This could change if we loosen the restrictions too early.

    Regarding the overall political situation, our media is trying to use Covid as a lever to pry Trump out of office. This effort is futile. Gov. Cuomo is now on a media blitz to unseat Biden from his party's nomination and Cuomo will probably be successful in replacing Biden...

    Governor Cuomo was doing a solid job handling the virus on a state level, however recently he has really been pumping the well and appears (to me anyway) as cloying, slightly clumsy, even over-bearing. Cuomo is over-playing his hand and I don't think he would fare well against Trump. Cuomo might work four years from today though.
    Last edited by nordicwarrior; 06-04-20 at 05:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nordicwarrior View Post
    I have drenching myself in reports of Covid 19/Wuhan Flu for months now, and my take away are these...
    Best channel for medical reporting is JAMA. W.H.O. is one of the worst because of China's obvious influence.
    To get accurate reporting, I actually go to "boots on the ground" instead of legacy media like CNN. It's more difficult now because many search engines (esp. Youtube's) stack establishment services in the first twenty or thirty returns. Reuters, N.B.C., N.Y. Times, etc. hog all the best spots.
    BUT if you look hard enough you can get around the unofficial blockade.
    Here's what I have observed as of 4/5/20:
    In the U.S. our social distancing measures have been extremely effective. We have learned costly lessons from China, and then from Italy and Spain. Yes the numbers in New York City are terrible today, but we could easily have had another zero or even two in front of these mortality totals if we weren't so careful. In NYC, there don't appear to be huge outpourings of ill people in the temporary medical tents or even the Navy rescue ship. Most ambulances in the city seem to be quite now, thankfully. This could change if we loosen the restrictions too early.
    Regarding the overall political situation, our media is trying to use Covid as a lever to pry Trump out of office. This effort is futile. Gov. Cuomo is now on a media blitz to unseat Biden from his party's nomination and Cuomo will probably be successful in replacing Biden... BUT initially Cuomo was doing a solid job regarding the virus, now he is really pumping the well and appears (to me anyway) now as cloying, slightly clumsy, and over-bearing. Cuomo is over-playing his hand and won't fare well against Trump. He might work four years from today though.
    I'm afraid mortality in the US will be roughly the same like Italy, which is huge considering that this is number will be an average for a vast territory.
    Today Italy mortality is 263 per million, New York is 214 and catching up quickly. At current rate it will surpass Italy in 3 days.

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    "Failure could set the world on fire.' former secretary of state henry kissinger, 96, warns coronavirus could spell economic doom for generations and tells US to 'safeguard the liberal world order"

    not to steal masks.

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    A Tiger at Bronx Zoo Tests Positive for COVID-19,
    ... five other Tigers and Lions at the zoo -- began showing symptoms of respiratory illness, ...



    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/us/ti...rnd/index.html

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/04/tiger-coronavirus-covid19-positive-test-bronx-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    A Tiger at Bronx Zoo Tests Positive for COVID-19,
    ... five other Tigers and Lions at the zoo -- began showing symptoms of respiratory illness, ...



    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/us/ti...rnd/index.html

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/04/tiger-coronavirus-covid19-positive-test-bronx-
    zoo/
    While it doesn't replicate very well in dogs, it does seem to find it easier going in cats. These are just big, feral cats after all.

    Much as I hated doing it, I'm not letting my cat sleep on my bed anymore. If I get it, I don't want to give it to him.


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    hm
    reading about new treatment,
    that can exterminate Corona

    Ivermectin (usually used at animal breeding, and at 'Fish farms', anti-parasite)
    Colchicine for second phase and heart (Cardio) problems

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    The tiger did not sleep with the zoo employee ;) so you may relax Angela...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    You’re comparing Apples and Oranges.

    If it is true that a Navy Captain revealed the operational status of his Warship / Aircraft Carrier to a civilian entity bypassing the chain of command, the Captain broke the rules.

    He broadcast his weakness to the World on board an armed vessel full of highly sensitive and sophisticated Defense Assets in the middle of the ocean.

    It’s a no no thing to do.

    If true!

    Well news today say that he is Corona Positive,
    as part of the crew.

    So his fear, was true,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagne View Post
    The tiger did not sleep with the zoo employee ;) so you may relax Angela...
    I think you misunderstood. The cat never goes out. It's he who should be afraid of us. :)

    As for the poor tigers, all those coughing and sneezing visitors and keepers infected them.

    Humans as vectors for animals. I didn't predict it, but here we are.

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    Very disturbing trend developing... I have heard several mouthpieces for the global elite (Bill Gates among them) begin to float the idea of a "national I.D. card" that will be required for all those that have been vaccinated with the eventual Covid 19 vaccine-- required for joining the workforce, for reintegration back into society.

    I'm guessing this will in reality be essentially an international card-- or at least incorporated by nations all over the globe.

    I'm also guessing the future vaccine will contain elements derived from aborted fetuses.

    If you want to take this "cure" I will not judge you-- that will be your choice. However, you global elites had better plan on imprisoning me for life or plan on drastically shortening my lifespan (killing me) because I will NOT be taking any vaccines made from the blood of the most innocent.

    There are other ways to create vaccines. The more we move forward with situation-- the more I see we are engaged in a spiritual battle. Possibly the last one.

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    Genetics plays a part in everything, so it was always likely it played a part in Covid 19 susceptibility and severity of symptoms.

    Researchers noticed early that rates were much higher among black Americans than among white Americans. A myriad of factors could influence that, but they also noticed that it was higher in black Americans than in Hispanic Americans, who share many of the societal factors.

    Now...

    A biochemical mechanism for greater susceptibility of African americans to severe COVID: higher mean levels of IL-6 than Caucasians or Japanese controlling for BMI.( 1 https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3039107/#!po=14.6259 ) IL-6 is cytokine associated with severe cases of COVID. (https://medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2020/03/03/2020.02.29.20029520.full.pdf )

    If this pre-print from Italy is correct, ACE2 variants are a factor as well.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....03.20047977v1

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    Interactive map of phylogeny of Covid 19...you can highlight individual countries and see the date and origin of the chain, and then the cases downstream. Fascinating.

    https://nextstrain.org/ncov?d=tree&p=full&r=country

    Most countries were hit from multiple directions, especially the UK it looks to me.

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    Musical video dedicated by Father Rino Bonvini to all health professionals in Italy. Rino Bonvini is a doctor, priest, professor of psychology, psychiatry and has worked for 22 years in the Community Mental Health Movement in Bom Jardim, city of São Paulo.




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    Quote Originally Posted by nordicwarrior View Post
    Very disturbing trend developing... I have heard several mouthpieces for the global elite (Bill Gates among them) begin to float the idea of a "national I.D. card" that will be required for all those that have been vaccinated with the eventual Covid 19 vaccine-- required for joining the workforce, for reintegration back into society.

    I'm guessing this will in reality be essentially an international card-- or at least incorporated by nations all over the globe.

    I'm also guessing the future vaccine will contain elements derived from aborted fetuses.

    If you want to take this "cure" I will not judge you-- that will be your choice. However, you global elites had better plan on imprisoning me for life or plan on drastically shortening my lifespan (killing me) because I will NOT be taking any vaccines made from the blood of the most innocent.

    There are other ways to create vaccines. The more we move forward with situation-- the more I see we are engaged in a spiritual battle. Possibly the last one.
    there is a simmilar strong discussion here,
    some 'thinking tanks' ask from state to create a 'Certificate of coronavir Antibodies',
    and those who have it to gain priority to a job,
    So us who stay at home, at the end will be the losers,

    Most fear that slowly, a year time duration, will be forced to accept the virus, to continue normal life,
    and pay for it,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Musical video dedicated by Father Rino Bonvini to all health professionals in Italy. Rino Bonvini is a doctor, priest, professor of psychology, psychiatry and has worked for 22 years in the Community Mental Health Movement in Bom Jardim, city of São Paulo.




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    Beautiful, Duarte. :) Thankyou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Beautiful, Duarte. :) Thankyou.
    You don't have to thank me Angela. I did it from the heart. I'm sorry I can't give you an upvote. Today I can only enter Eupedia through Tapatalk. I believe that there is an instability on the internet today all over Brazil. I need to pay an account today, and I can't access my Internet Banking. Cheers


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Genetics plays a part in everything, so it was always likely it played a part in Covid 19 susceptibility and severity of symptoms.

    Researchers noticed early that rates were much higher among black Americans than among white Americans. A myriad of factors could influence that, but they also noticed that it was higher in black Americans than in Hispanic Americans, who share many of the societal factors.

    Now...

    A biochemical mechanism for greater susceptibility of African americans to severe COVID: higher mean levels of IL-6 than Caucasians or Japanese controlling for BMI.( 1 https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3039107/#!po=14.6259 ) IL-6 is cytokine associated with severe cases of COVID. (https://medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2020/03/03/2020.02.29.20029520.full.pdf )

    If this pre-print from Italy is correct, ACE2 variants are a factor as well.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....03.20047977v1

    "In Illinois, black people make up about 30% of the state's cases and about 40% of its coronavirus-related deaths, according to statistics provided by the state's public health agency. However, African Americans make up just 14.6% of the state's population.

    In Michigan, black people account for 40% of the state's reported deaths, according to data released by the state, but its population is only 14% African American"



    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/african-americans-more-likely-to-die-from-coronavirus-illness-early-data-shows/ar-BB12ecdj
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    Quote Originally Posted by nordicwarrior View Post
    Very disturbing trend developing... I have heard several mouthpieces for the global elite (Bill Gates among them) begin to float the idea of a "national I.D. card" that will be required for all those that have been vaccinated with the eventual Covid 19 vaccine-- required for joining the workforce, for reintegration back into society.

    I'm guessing this will in reality be essentially an international card-- or at least incorporated by nations all over the globe.

    I'm also guessing the future vaccine will contain elements derived from aborted fetuses.

    If you want to take this "cure" I will not judge you-- that will be your choice. However, you global elites had better plan on imprisoning me for life or plan on drastically shortening my lifespan (killing me) because I will NOT be taking any vaccines made from the blood of the most innocent.

    There are other ways to create vaccines. The more we move forward with situation-- the more I see we are engaged in a spiritual battle. Possibly the last one.
    Sorry but a lot of this screams conspiracy, no offence.

    I think this discussion thread should look more to the facts as presented by scientific institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Sorry but a lot of this screams conspiracy, no offence.

    I think this discussion thread should look more to the facts as presented by scientific institutions.
    Sorry my man but it's not a conspiracy post unless the name Soros is in it .

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