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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    in Greece we do 2 the least tests until 20

    basic vacination is about 4 years old,
    started around 1930, after 1950's all population was forcced to do
    then by test at 10-12 at schools
    and males at the army test again

    we called it Μαντου,
    a test on hand, if nothing you were immune,
    if a brown or black colour appeared, they vacinate you

    interesting is data of tuberculosis in Greece,
    the time 2002-2018 the tubercolosis cases were about 520,
    from them 49% were Greeks, 50% were immigrants workers, comparing the population that Greeks and legal immigrants analogy is about 9700/2000
    So I probably got it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I heard about that,
    Scands always surprise us,
    But what will happen if that follows Spain,

    At Spain, the 'Nurses' (if we can use the term) Abbandoned the aged ones, alone at the 'Nursing hospitals'.


    There have been cases in nursing homes where caregivers due to lack of materials were overwhelmed and helpless. They are sporadic cases that are being investigated, in many residences they are even using any improvised material to continue taking care of the elderly.


    But not nurses who abandon patients in hospitals, quite the contrary, the health personnel are doing a commendable job.



    Nursing home staff use garbage bags to prevent infections from lack of material

    ​This is how some elderly caregivers have to work in nursing homes and continue to do so. Occasional cases of abandonment at the beginning do not confirm the rule of course in our country where the staff does not throw in the towel and continues forward despite the danger.

    Those who leave the skin in hospitals and health centers are the nurses and even more now that the emergencies are saturated by the coronavirus crisis. We wanted to know first-hand what the daily lives of these fighters are.

    https://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/...virus/5531815/

    In Spain we have excellent doctors and nurses without them we could never get out of this.

    In Spain there are 500 nurses for every 100,000 inhabitants. After this I do not think it will be cut back in healthcare that was what we were forced to do in the U.E.










    Bravo for our nurses

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    Cases occurred in private or concerted asylums at the beginning due to the lack of material, and these clinics were out of control and without direction due to the avalanche that was occurring in public health. Now it is being investigated but, of course, you can not sell news of that kind as that Spanish nurses abandon the elderly in hospitals.

    Those facts have nothing to do with the Spanish nurses.




    Spanish nurses, prepared to face the coronavirus


    Please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Cases occurred in private or concerted asylums at the beginning due to the lack of material, and these clinics were out of control and without direction due to the avalanche that was occurring in public health. Now it is being investigated but, of course, you can not sell news of that kind as that Spanish nurses abandon the elderly in hospitals.

    Those facts have nothing to do with the Spanish nurses.




    Spanish nurses, prepared to face the coronavirus


    Please...
    I don't sell news,
    I wrote : <<At Spain, the 'Nurses' (if we can use the term) Abbandoned the aged ones, alone at the 'Nursing hospitals'.>>
    now if I forgot the term on private, or on asylum or that was included with marks '...' is another story.
    If we both agree on the above post of you, I quote,
    No need further discussion by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I don't sell news,
    I wrote : <<At Spain, the 'Nurses' (if we can use the term) Abbandoned the aged ones, alone at the 'Nursing hospitals'.>>
    now if I forgot the term on private, or on asylum or that was included with marks '...' is another story.
    If we both agree on the above post of you, I quote,
    No need further discussion by me.
    It is possible that he has echoed a badly told sensationalist news that in no case can criminalize a union such as that of Spanish nurses of recognized international prestige.

    Caregivers (Cuidadores) are not nurses; Although the translator was translating it for me as a nurse, perhaps these diaries translate in the google translat

    The Spanish study of health sciences and nursing lasts four years and concludes with the degree in nursing, nurses specialize in elective courses and final thesis work, through the nursing course they are prepared to work in hospitals and centers health, know in this article where to study nursing in Spain.

    To become a good nurse, you must be in contact with the best professionals from the beginning, many of the teachers are renowned active nurses working in innovative hospitals and health centers.


    During the four years of this nursing degree in Spain, you will study topics such as clinical nursing, clinical pharmacology, child nursing and a large number of additional subjects that will allow you to specialize in the areas that interest you.

    During the fourth year, you will be able to participate in the EIR program, starting the preparation to become an Internal Nursing Resident, in this way, while you finish your studies, you will begin training to obtain a position in the public health system.

    University education in Spain for nursing students is superior to that of other countries inside and outside Europe, the main reason for this is the high professional prestige enjoyed by nursing in Spain, consequently, nursing students in Spain receive a more comprehensive and practical training than in other countries, and that is why it is now common to see nursing graduates from Spanish universities receive job offers.

    Nursing Union

    The Nursing Union (anagram SATSE) is a Spanish union, founded in 1986, that represents, defends and offers informative, legal, training and union support to nursing professionals.

    SATSE is established throughout Spain, and has nearly 3,000 union delegates distributed by all the work centers in the country. The SATSE organization is structured in a decentralized way at three levels: national, autonomous and provincial.


    Since 1992 SATSE has an international presence due to its integration into the Professional Council of the European Federation of Public Unions (EUROFEDOP). The union holds the presidency of the EUROFEDOP Health Sector and is part of the executive bureau of this organization with a vice-presidency. In this way, the organization knows the political and health decisions of the European Union that may affect Spanish nurses, while facilitating the representation of Spanish Nursing before European health.

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindic...nfermer%C3%ADa





    This is how just a few years ago the nurses and the entire medical union protested against the cuts in Health imposed by the U.E. and they were absolutely right.

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    In parts of the World ravaged by Pandemic everything's changed, there's a new temporary normal, so don't be shocked of anything reported by the Media.

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    Whoever the hell they were, they're a disgrace, period.


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    Well, today I have already signed my will before a notary, I cannot describe the joy I have felt in disinheriting so many; Although I will make them believe otherwise until they discover the truth two weeks after the day of my death, I can imagine their faces. Life is made up of little pleasures.

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    They suffer more from those dangerous comorbidities, but what other factors might be involved I don't know. To be really meaningful they should adjust for the underlying health problems as well.


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    Well, Spencer Wells has been wrong about a lot of things, so I hope he's wrong about this, too.
    "Spencer Wells

    Low antibody levels raise questions about coronavirus reinfection risk
    This is one of two articles that form the foundation of an article I'm writing. Vaccines won't cure this, nor will plasma therapy..."



    Coronavirus: low antibody levels raise questions about reinfection risk
    Scientists in Shanghai say some recovered patients show no signs of the neutralising proteins



    • Early-stage findings could have implications for vaccine development and herd immunity, they say.

    • Researchers in Shanghai hope to determine whether some recovered coronavirus patients
      have a higher risk of reinfection after finding surprisingly low levels of Covid-19 antibodies in a number of people discharged from hospital.


      A team from Fudan University analysed blood samples from 175 patients discharged from the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre and found that nearly a third had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies.


    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3078840/coronavirus-low-antibody-levels-raise-questions-about

























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    Some doctors are saying the west may have been wrong to follow China's aggressive use of ventilators.
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/...-for-covid-19/

    Sounds like Monday morning quarterbacking to me. What they really mean is that most people may not benefit from them, but there was no knowing that ahead of time, and what were the doctors supposed to do, let everybody die whose lungs looked a certain way, even though ventilating people would save "some" lives?

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    Wuhan's lockdown lifted. Look at the people: not one is without a mask.


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    Just get us some masks, FEMA and stop seizing them from the states and hospitals. First you tell them to get their own then when they do, you steal them!!!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/u...-supplies.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Just get us some masks, FEMA and stop seizing them from the states and hospitals. First you tell them to get their own then when they do, you steal them!!!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/u...-supplies.html
    I gave up on FEMA years ago.

    Wear a Bandana on your face,

    or use it to make your own mask:

    I don’t need it, but I made one just for fun lol




    I used this video to make mine:

    https://youtu.be/dnBqwowZi5w

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    Even in our modern era, epidemics are a force for selection. I parked near a liquor store today. The owner had put out a card machine on a long cord, and a bottle of sanitizer so they could clean their hands before and after. He would come to the door to listen to the order and then return with the bottle(s) already in a brown paper bag, so he never touched them.

    They weren't all derelicts, really, and yet they all stood much closer to each other than six feet, most didn't have masks, and the few who did kept on adjusting them by touching the outside of them! Oh, and only half used the sanitizer at all.

    So there you have it.


    I also saw another paper about how it hits men so much harder; 60% in some places, even more in others. It just occurred to me: I wonder if the plague has this kind of skew? There have been a few small modern outbreaks, but I don't know if they looked for that. It would certainly go some way to explaining the winnowing of the "native" European yDna once the Indo-Europeans arrived.

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    Remember that "national Covid card" that I mentioned yesterday... where employment would be linked to your vaccine status and your ability to travel?

    Zero Hedge has an article up this afternoon explaining exactly what I was talking about. And I was called the dreaded "c word" (conspiracy theorist) on this very thread for bringing something like this up...

    I see where this tracking/monitoring/"for your own good stuff" is headed. I am going back to work tomorrow morning after taking off a little over two weeks off. Commercial construction is covered by the essential worker clause in my state. Will be relying on vitamin C, gloves, hand sanitizer and common sense. Plus the malaria drug/ z-pack combo seems like an effective option.

    Not going to be held hostage by weaponized fear welded by global elitists.

    High blood pressure, asthma, coronary blockage (x2), over 50, male... bring it Wuhan Flu!

    I got this.

    And hey um, by the way... is it a coincidence that Bill Gates recently purchased a 300 million plus dollar open ocean cruiser? After he war-gamed a pandemic very similar to what we see today with his Davos buddies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nordicwarrior View Post
    Remember that "national Covid card" that I mentioned yesterday... where employment would be linked to your vaccine status and your ability to travel?

    Zero Hedge has an article up this afternoon explaining exactly what I was talking about. And I was called the dreaded "c word" (conspiracy theorist) on this very thread for bringing something like this up...

    I see where this tracking/monitoring/"for your own good stuff" is headed. I am going back to work tomorrow morning after taking off a little over two weeks off. Commercial construction is covered by the essential worker clause in my state. Will be relying on vitamin C, gloves, hand sanitizer and common sense. Plus the malaria drug/ z-pack combo seems like an effective option.

    Not going to be held hostage by weaponized fear welded by global elitists.

    High blood pressure, asthma, coronary blockage (x2), over 50, male... bring it Wuhan Flu!

    I got this.

    And hey um, by the way... is it a coincidence that Bill Gates recently purchased a 300 million plus dollar open ocean cruiser? After he war-gamed a pandemic very similar to what we see today with his Davos buddies?
    Your employer already has the right to test you for drugs and it does not matter if the state decriminalized marijuana. They have the right to test you for coronavirus.

    You are a conspiracy theorist if you just bring up Davos, Bill Gates, Trilateral commission, Illuminati and global elites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Your employer already has the right to test you for drugs and it does not matter if the state decriminalized marijuana. They have the right to test you for coronavirus.

    You are a conspiracy theorist if you just bring up Davos, Bill Gates, Trilateral commission, Illuminati and global elites.
    trilateral exist,
    Bil gates exists,
    and where the hell (which counry) your eployer has the right to test you?

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    Enough with conspiracy theories, please. I asked nicely.

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    08/04/2020

    order according confirmed infection per population.


    COUNTRY Population /1000 Confirmed infected deaths upon confirmed recover Active % Confirmed infected /1000 people Current Mortality of conf. Mortality 3 APR current Recover of conf. Recover 3 APR deaths per 10 000 population
























    1 NY city USA 8175 81803 4571 0 94,41 10,0065 0,0559 - 0,0000 - 5,5914
    2 San Marino 33 279 34 40 73,48 8,4545 0,1219 0,1224 0,1434 0,0857 10,3030
    3 Andora 76 564 23 52 86,70 7,4211 0,0408 0,0280 0,0922 0,0234 3,0263
    4 Luxenbourg 614 3034 46 500 82,00 4,9414 0,0152 0,0121 0,1648 0,0322 0,7492
    5 Iceland 364 1616 6 633 60,46 4,4396 0,0037 0,0030 0,3917 0,2153 0,1648
    6 Feroe isls 52 184 0 131 28,80 3,5385 0,0000 0,0000 0,7120 0,5084 0,0000
    7 Spain 46733 148220 14792 48021 57,62 3,1716 0,0998 0,0923 0,3240 0,2386 3,1652
    8 Swiss 8570 23280 895 9800 54,06 2,7165 0,0384 0,0285 0,4210 0,2132 1,0443
    9 Italy 60318 139422 17669 26491 68,33 2,3114 0,1267 0,1207 0,1900 0,1586 2,9293
    10 Belgium 11516 23403 2240 4681 70,43 2,0322 0,0957 0,0659 0,2000 0,1626 1,9451
    11 Liechtenstein 39 78 1 55 28,21 2,0000 0,0128 0,0000 0,7051 0,0000 0,2564
    12 France 67022 112950 10869 21254 71,56 1,6853 0,0962 0,0911 0,1882 0,2103 1,6217
    13 Austria 8903 12942 273 4512 63,03 1,4537 0,0211 0,0141 0,3486 0,1562 0,3066
    14 EU 449507 634604 52801 156233 67,06 1,4118 0,0832 0,0756 0,3476 0,1905 1,1746
    15 Deutch 83149 113296 2349 46300 57,06 1,3626 0,0207 0,0131 0,4087 0,2699 0,2825
    16 USA 328240 431838 14768 23865 91,05 1,3156 0,0342 0,0247 0,0553 0,0376 0,4499
    17 Portugal 10277 13141 380 196 95,62 1,2787 0,0289 0,0231 0,0149 0,0075 0,3698
    18 Netherlands 17425 20549 2248 250 87,84 1,1793 0,1094 0,0911 0,0122 0,0170 1,2901
    19 Hubei 58500 67803 3213 64142 0,66 1,1590 0,0474 - 0,9460 - 0,5492
    20 Norway 5368 6042 101 32 97,80 1,1256 0,0167 0,0096 0,0053 0,0061 0,1882
    21 Denmark 5823 5402 218 1621 65,96 0,9277 0,0404 0,0363 0,3001 0,3216 0,3744
    22 Ireland 6573 6074 235 25 95,72 0,9241 0,0387 0,0255 0,0041 0,0013 0,3575
    23 UK 67547 60733 7097 135 88,09 0,8991 0,1169 0,0866 0,0022 0,0040 1,0507
    24 Esthonia 1328 1185 24 72 91,90 0,8923 0,0203 0,0128 0,0608 0,0524 0,1807
    25 sweden 10303 8419 687 205 89,40 0,8171 0,0816 0,0553 0,0243 0,0185 0,6668
    26 LA Cal USA 9819 7559 198 0 97,38 0,7698 0,0262 - 0,0000 - 0,2016
    27 Malta 494 299 1 16 94,31 0,6053 0,0033 0,0000 0,0535 0,0102 0,0202
    28 Slovenia 2100 1091 40 120 85,33 0,5195 0,0367 0,0190 0,1100 0,0780 0,1905
    29 Czech 10650 5312 99 233 93,75 0,4988 0,0186 0,0119 0,0439 0,0184 0,0930
    30 Turkey 82004 38226 812 1846 93,05 0,4661 0,0212 0,0196 0,0483 0,0229 0,0990
    31 Finland 5521 2487 40 300 86,33 0,4505 0,0161 0,0118 0,1206 0,1858 0,0725
    32 Cyprus 1189 526 9 52 88,40 0,4424 0,0171 0,0281 0,0989 0,0787 0,0757
    33 Moldova 2682 1174 27 40 94,29 0,4377 0,0230 0,0119 0,0341 0,0455 0,1007
    34 Montenegro 631 248 2 4 97,58 0,3930 0,0081 0,0125 0,0161 0,0000 0,0317
    35 Serbia 6964 2665 65 0 97,56 0,3827 0,0244 0,0265 0,0000 0,0000 0,0933
    36 Croatia 4076 1343 19 189 84,51 0,3295 0,0141 0,0069 0,1407 0,0178 0,0466
    37 Lithuania 2794 912 15 8 97,48 0,3264 0,0164 0,0129 0,0088 0,0101 0,0537
    38 Lettonia 1920 577 2 16 96,88 0,3005 0,0035 0,0000 0,0277 0,0629 0,0104
    39 Severna Mac 2077 617 29 35 89,63 0,2971 0,0470 0,0286 0,0286 0,0443 0,1396
    40 Romania 19402 4761 220 528 84,29 0,2454 0,0462 0,0424 0,1109 0,0975 0,1134
    41 Bosnia 3511 804 34 79 85,95 0,2290 0,0423 0,0295 0,0983 0,0497 0,0968
    42 Greece 10768 1884 83 269 81,32 0,1750 0,0441 0,0343 0,1428 0,0395 0,0771
    43 Albania 2877 400 22 154 56,00 0,1390 0,0550 0,0578 0,3850 0,2744 0,0765
    44 Poland 38386 5205 159 222 92,68 0,1356 0,0305 0,0193 0,0427 0,0190 0,0414
    45 Slovakia 5450 682 2 16 97,36 0,1251 0,0029 0,0023 0,0235 0,0117 0,0037
    46 Belarus 9492 1066 13 77 91,56 0,1123 0,0122 0,0132 0,0722 0,1743 0,0137
    47 Kossovo 1810 184 5 30 80,98 0,1017 0,0272 0,0079 0,1630 0,0794 0,0276
    48 Hungary 9773 895 58 94 83,02 0,0916 0,0648 0,0417 0,1050 0,0690 0,0593
    49 Bulgaria 7000 593 24 42 88,87 0,0847 0,0405 0,0252 0,0708 0,0629 0,0343
    50 Russia 146745 8672 63 580 92,59 0,0591 0,0073 0,0082 0,0669 0,0677 0,0043
    51 mainland China 1427648 82809 3337 77567 2,30 0,0580 0,0403 0,0403 0,9367 0,9306 0,0234
    52 Ukraine 42031 1668 52 35 94,78 0,0397 0,0312 0,0244 0,0210 0,0202 0,0124

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    according deaths/population (not coronavirus mortality)
    excluding Hubei province, the rest China seems untouched by virus


    COUNTRY Population /1000 Confirmed infected deaths upon confirmed Confirmed infected /1000 people Current Mortality of conf. Mortality 3 APR deaths per 10 000 population








    1 San Marino 33 279 34 8,4545 0,1219 0,1224 10,3030
    2 NY city USA 8175 81803 4571 10,0065 0,0559 - 5,5914
    3 Spain 46733 148220 14792 3,1716 0,0998 0,0923 3,1652
    4 Andora 76 564 23 7,4211 0,0408 0,0280 3,0263
    5 Italy 60318 139422 17669 2,3114 0,1267 0,1207 2,9293
    6 Belgium 11516 23403 2240 2,0322 0,0957 0,0659 1,9451
    7 France 67022 112950 10869 1,6853 0,0962 0,0911 1,6217
    8 Netherlands 17425 20549 2248 1,1793 0,1094 0,0911 1,2901
    9 EU 449507 634604 52801 1,4118 0,0832 0,0756 1,1746
    10 UK 67547 60733 7097 0,8991 0,1169 0,0866 1,0507
    11 Swiss 8570 23280 895 2,7165 0,0384 0,0285 1,0443
    12 Luxenbourg 614 3034 46 4,9414 0,0152 0,0121 0,7492
    13 sweden 10303 8419 687 0,8171 0,0816 0,0553 0,6668
    14 Hubei 58500 67803 3213 1,1590 0,0474 - 0,5492
    15 USA 328240 431838 14768 1,3156 0,0342 0,0247 0,4499
    16 Denmark 5823 5402 218 0,9277 0,0404 0,0363 0,3744
    17 Portugal 10277 13141 380 1,2787 0,0289 0,0231 0,3698
    18 Ireland 6573 6074 235 0,9241 0,0387 0,0255 0,3575
    19 Austria 8903 12942 273 1,4537 0,0211 0,0141 0,3066
    20 Deutch 83149 113296 2349 1,3626 0,0207 0,0131 0,2825
    21 Liechtenstein 39 78 1 2,0000 0,0128 0,0000 0,2564
    22 LA Cal USA 9819 7559 198 0,7698 0,0262 - 0,2016
    23 Slovenia 2100 1091 40 0,5195 0,0367 0,0190 0,1905
    24 Norway 5368 6042 101 1,1256 0,0167 0,0096 0,1882
    25 Esthonia 1328 1185 24 0,8923 0,0203 0,0128 0,1807


    mainland China 1427648 82809 3337 0,0580 0,0403 0,0403 0,0234

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    @Yetos I fully trust the useless Data provided by the Chinese Government!



    ... but I admire your effort :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Yetos I fully trust the useless Data provided by the Chinese Government!
    yes it is magnificent,
    how they manage to isolate virus only in Hubei
    by asking the doctor to sign a 'deny papper',

    btw
    well at the time of 'home isolation' we need also some mental training
    from kid I loved maths and physics,
    I just repeat the Statistic I learn at my youth.

    anyway, did you observe something strange???

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    Nothing seems strange to me lately.

    What really bothers me is that this pandemic could have been avoided, ...

    Xi broke the World.

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