Health New Coronavirus in China

[torzio]

Coronavirus mutation could threaten the race to develop vaccine:



"Rapid mutation coronavirus ‘mutated into three distinct strains’ as it spread around the world" before the above research

all came out of wet-markets from China ................and W.H.O does not want to ban wet markets.........Aussie government very upset with this decision by WHO

 

[Yetos]

According confirmed infection

	COUNTRY	Population /1000	Confirmed infected	deaths upon confirmed	Confirmed infected /1000 people	Current Mortality of conf.	Mortality 3 APR	deaths per 10 000 population	Estimated mortality up lim	Estimated mortality low lim	estimated deaths *
1	NY city USA	8175	110465	7905	13,5125	0,0716	-	9,6697
2	San Marino	33	372	36	11,2727	0,0968	0,1224	10,9091
3	Andora	76	659	31	8,6711	0,0470	0,0280	4,0789
4	Luxenbourg	614	3307	67	5,3860	0,0203	0,0121	1,0912
5	Iceland	364	1720	8	4,7253	0,0047	0,0030	0,2198
6	Spain	46733	174060	18255	3,7246	0,1049	0,0923	3,9062
7	Feroe isls	52	184	0	3,5385	0,0000	0,0000	0,0000
8	Swiss	8570	25936	1174	3,0264	0,0453	0,0285	1,3699
9	Belgium	11516	31119	4157	2,7022	0,1336	0,0659	3,6098
10	Italy	60318	162488	21067	2,6939	0,1297	0,1207	3,4927
11	Liechtenstein	39	79	1	2,0256	0,0127	0,0000	0,2564
12	France	67022	130253	15729	1,9434	0,1208	0,0911	2,3468
13	USA	328240	609407	26033	1,8566	0,0427	0,0247	0,7931
14	Ireland	6573	11479	406	1,7464	0,0354	0,0255	0,6177
15	Portugal	10277	17448	567	1,6978	0,0325	0,0231	0,5517
16	EU	449507	757039	69679	1,6842	0,0920	0,0756	1,5501
17	Austria	8903	14226	384	1,5979	0,0270	0,0141	0,4313
18	Deutch	83149	132210	3495	1,5900	0,0264	0,0131	0,4203
19	Netherlands	17425	27419	2945	1,5735	0,1074	0,0911	1,6901
20	UK	67547	93873	12107	1,3897	0,1290	0,0866	1,7924
21	Norway	5368	6623	139	1,2338	0,0210	0,0096	0,2589
22	China Hubei	58500	67803	3222	1,1590	0,0475	-	0,5508
23	Denmark	5823	6511	299	1,1182	0,0459	0,0363	0,5135
24	sweden	10303	11445	1033	1,1108	0,0903	0,0553	1,0026
25	Esthonia	1328	1373	31	1,0339	0,0226	0,0128	0,2334
26	LA Cal USA	9819	10075	366	1,0261	0,0363	-	0,3727
27	Malta	494	393	3	0,7955	0,0076	0,0000	0,0607
28	Turkey	82004	65111	1403	0,7940	0,0215	0,0196	0,1711
29	Moldova	2682	1934	40	0,7211	0,0207	0,0119	0,1491
30	Serbia	6964	4465	94	0,6412	0,0211	0,0265	0,1350
31	Cyprus	1189	695	12	0,5845	0,0173	0,0281	0,1009
32	Slovenia	2100	1220	56	0,5810	0,0459	0,0190	0,2667
33	Czech	10650	6111	161	0,5738	0,0263	0,0119	0,1512
34	Finland	5521	3161	64	0,5725	0,0202	0,0118	0,1159
35	Montenegro	631	283	4	0,4485	0,0141	0,0125	0,0634
36	Severna Mac	2077	908	44	0,4372	0,0485	0,0286	0,2118
37	Lithuania	2794	1070	29	0,3830	0,0271	0,0129	0,1038
38	Romania	19402	6879	351	0,3546	0,0510	0,0424	0,1809
39	Belarus	9492	3281	33	0,3457	0,0101	0,0132	0,0348
40	Lettonia	1920	657	5	0,3422	0,0076	0,0000	0,0260
41	Bosnia	3511	1083	40	0,3085	0,0369	0,0295	0,1139
42	Croatia	4076	1083	40	0,2657	0,0369	0,0069	0,0981
43	Kossovo	1810	387	8	0,2138	0,0207	0,0079	0,0442
44	Greece	10768	2170	101	0,2015	0,0465	0,0343	0,0938
45	Poland	38386	7202	263	0,1876	0,0365	0,0193	0,0685
46	Albania	2877	475	24	0,1651	0,0505	0,0578	0,0834
47	Hungary	9773	1512	122	0,1547	0,0807	0,0417	0,1248
48	Slovakia	5450	835	2	0,1532	0,0024	0,0023	0,0037
49	Russia	146745	21102	170	0,1438	0,0081	0,0082	0,0116
50	Bulgaria	7000	713	35	0,1019	0,0491	0,0252	0,0500
51	Ukraine	42031	3372	98	0,0802	0,0291	0,0244	0,0233
52	mainland China	1427648	83351	3346	0,0584	0,0401	0,0403	-

 

[Yetos]

According mortality,

	COUNTRY	Population /1000	Confirmed infected	deaths upon confirmed	Confirmed infected /1000 people	Current Mortality of conf.	Mortality 3 APR	deaths per 10 000 population
1	Belgium	11516	31119	4157	2,7022	0,1336	0,0659	3,6098
2	Italy	60318	162488	21067	2,6939	0,1297	0,1207	3,4927
3	UK	67547	93873	12107	1,3897	0,1290	0,0866	1,7924
4	France	67022	130253	15729	1,9434	0,1208	0,0911	2,3468
5	Netherlands	17425	27419	2945	1,5735	0,1074	0,0911	1,6901
6	Spain	46733	174060	18255	3,7246	0,1049	0,0923	3,9062
7	San Marino	33	372	36	11,2727	0,0968	0,1224	10,9091
8	EU	449507	757039	69679	1,6842	0,0920	0,0756	1,5501
9	sweden	10303	11445	1033	1,1108	0,0903	0,0553	1,0026
10	Hungary	9773	1512	122	0,1547	0,0807	0,0417	0,1248
11	NY city USA	8175	110465	7905	13,5125	0,0716	-	9,6697
12	Romania	19402	6879	351	0,3546	0,0510	0,0424	0,1809
13	Albania	2877	475	24	0,1651	0,0505	0,0578	0,0834
14	Bulgaria	7000	713	35	0,1019	0,0491	0,0252	0,0500
15	Severna Mac	2077	908	44	0,4372	0,0485	0,0286	0,2118
16	China Hubei	58500	67803	3222	1,1590	0,0475	-	0,5508
17	Andora	76	659	31	8,6711	0,0470	0,0280	4,0789
18	Greece	10768	2170	101	0,2015	0,0465	0,0343	0,0938
19	Denmark	5823	6511	299	1,1182	0,0459	0,0363	0,5135
20	Slovenia	2100	1220	56	0,5810	0,0459	0,0190	0,2667
21	Swiss	8570	25936	1174	3,0264	0,0453	0,0285	1,3699
22	USA	328240	609407	26033	1,8566	0,0427	0,0247	0,7931
23	mainland China	1427648	83351	3346	0,0584	0,0401	0,0403	-
24	Bosnia	3511	1083	40	0,3085	0,0369	0,0295	0,1139
25	Croatia	4076	1083	40	0,2657	0,0369	0,0069	0,0981
26	Poland	38386	7202	263	0,1876	0,0365	0,0193	0,0685
27	LA Cal USA	9819	10075	366	1,0261	0,0363	-	0,3727
28	Ireland	6573	11479	406	1,7464	0,0354	0,0255	0,6177
29	Portugal	10277	17448	567	1,6978	0,0325	0,0231	0,5517
30	Ukraine	42031	3372	98	0,0802	0,0291	0,0244	0,0233
31	Lithuania	2794	1070	29	0,3830	0,0271	0,0129	0,1038
32	Austria	8903	14226	384	1,5979	0,0270	0,0141	0,4313
33	Deutch	83149	132210	3495	1,5900	0,0264	0,0131	0,4203
34	Czech	10650	6111	161	0,5738	0,0263	0,0119	0,1512
35	Esthonia	1328	1373	31	1,0339	0,0226	0,0128	0,2334
36	Turkey	82004	65111	1403	0,7940	0,0215	0,0196	0,1711
37	Serbia	6964	4465	94	0,6412	0,0211	0,0265	0,1350
38	Norway	5368	6623	139	1,2338	0,0210	0,0096	0,2589
39	Moldova	2682	1934	40	0,7211	0,0207	0,0119	0,1491
40	Kossovo	1810	387	8	0,2138	0,0207	0,0079	0,0442
41	Luxenbourg	614	3307	67	5,3860	0,0203	0,0121	1,0912
42	Finland	5521	3161	64	0,5725	0,0202	0,0118	0,1159
43	Cyprus	1189	695	12	0,5845	0,0173	0,0281	0,1009
44	Montenegro	631	283	4	0,4485	0,0141	0,0125	0,0634
45	Liechtenstein	39	79	1	2,0256	0,0127	0,0000	0,2564
46	Belarus	9492	3281	33	0,3457	0,0101	0,0132	0,0348
47	Russia	146745	21102	170	0,1438	0,0081	0,0082	0,0116
48	Malta	494	393	3	0,7955	0,0076	0,0000	0,0607
49	Lettonia	1920	657	5	0,3422	0,0076	0,0000	0,0260
50	Iceland	364	1720	8	4,7253	0,0047	0,0030	0,2198
51	Slovakia	5450	835	2	0,1532	0,0024	0,0023	0,0037
52	Feroe isls	52	184	0	3,5385	0,0000	0,0000	0,0000

 

[Yetos]

Iceland manage to make her second miracle, after the crisis one,
they test 9,51% of total population

 

[bigsnake49]

What Hong Kong did right.

https://medium.com/@samgellman/what-hong-kong-has-done-right-2563004e7871

1.Hong Kong began shutting down public facilities when there were fewer than 10 confirmed cases. The government acted with urgency as soon as the first cases began to appear. Hong Kong shut down all schools,parks, and public museums on January 29th when there were just 9 confirmed cases and zero deaths.

2.Hong Kong isolates ALL positive cases and quarantines close contacts in government facilities. Every person who tests positive, even if symptom-free, is put into the public hospital system. Patients are then required to remain at hospitals until they produce two consecutive negative tests. Should hospitals run out of beds, the government will isolate patients in other facilities. Details about every case are made public through government websites. All known contacts of the positive cases must spend 14 days in government quarantine. The importance of isolating positives cannot be understated.

3.Hong Kong’s population has broad virus awareness, largely a result of . The memories and lessons of SARS linger in Hong Kong. Since well before COVID-19, masks have been commonly used by individuals who harbor a common cold. Buttons on elevators are frequently sterilized once if not more times each day. It is customary not to wear shoes within the home and gel sanitizer is widely available throughout shared facilities such as office buildings. The population quickly tapped into virus-prevention mode as soon as the news of the virus circulated from Mainland China. Not wearing a mask is shunned in Hong Kong.

4.Hong Kong tests all people entering the country and requires them to home quarantine for 14 days. Hong Kong only recently implemented severe travel bans, denying entry to non-residents on March 25. There was, however, a 14-day required home quarantine for people arriving from Mainland China, which was then expanded to arrivals from nearly anywhere in the world. While a delay in requiring home quarantine for European and American visitors [/COLOR]led to a second wave of cases, that surge has already begun to flatten. People in home-quarantine wear electronic bracelets that track location.


Believe me, I don't like the sound of all of this either, but if we want to re-open the economy before there's a vaccine for everyone, I think these should be considered by the people on the task forces.

These measures, although draconian are necessary to stop the spread of the virus. I would add that isolating the old and infirm is also required. But these measures would have never been taken by this wishy washy administration. But these are measures that have to be taken when the number of cases are small. They cannot be taken when hundreds of thousands have been infected.

 

[bigsnake49]

I saw somewhere that there is a testing lull due to the very tight CDC guidelines on who should get tested. They need to expand them so that people that might have been exposed can get tested.

 

[Yetos]

It has to do with 'orphan' and 'known' cases

known cases for example are all patients1-50 in Greece and many more others,
they came from abroad, all in Quarantine and test,
and their families also,
So you 'hunt' the virus spread and stop him,

Orphans cases are those who are not connected with other infected people, and you can not trace them back to source of infection,
These are the bad ones, if they reach high %, you can not control the infection spread and will go high.

 

[Dagne]

all came out of wet-markets from China ................and W.H.O does not want to ban wet markets.........Aussie government very upset with this decision by WHO

according to this study, the coronavirus did not start in the wet-market of Wuhan.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...virus_SARS-CoV-2_using_the_whole_genomic_data

Basically, the most ancestral haplotypes are not from the Wuhan's Wet Market. Two expansions were estimated on 6 January 2020, and an early expansion on 8 December 2019. If these estimates are correct, then the Wet Market should not be blamed for the appearance of the virus.

 

[Salento]

Yesterday outside a supermarket entrance, they checked our temperature and asked us about health questions.

There was also a tent where they were testing concerning cases.

They weren’t suspicious of me so I didn’t get tested for Covid-19.

my temperatures was fine and I had no symptoms

but I wouldn’t mind if I was tested, ....

 

[torzio]

according to this study, the coronavirus did not start in the wet-market of Wuhan.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...virus_SARS-CoV-2_using_the_whole_genomic_data

Basically, the most ancestral haplotypes are not from the Wuhan's Wet Market. Two expansions were estimated on 6 January 2020, and an early expansion on 8 December 2019. If these estimates are correct, then the Wet Market should not be blamed for the appearance of the virus.

i am not interested on what the Chinese say, they tried to cover it up............i only follow what the Australian gov'nt states, so wet markets should be banned

 

[ThirdTerm]

Basically, the most ancestral haplotypes are not from the Wuhan's Wet Market. Two expansions were estimated on 6 January 2020, and an early expansion on 8 December 2019. If these estimates are correct, then the Wet Market should not be blamed for the appearance of the virus.

This study says the H3 haplotype was carried by patient zero from Wuhan and it is the only one sample of this haplotype. All samples from the seafood market belonged to H1 and others (H2, H8-12). The Wuhan Institute of Virology denied that patient zero was one of their employees. We need to look into the real identify of patient zero who carried the original strain of the coronavirus. He could be associated with the trade of exotic animals, who may have contacted other traders at the market, or a lab technician from the famous lab which carried out animal experiments on SARS. Either way, he must have lived in an environment in which he was close to bats or other mammals that are known to transmit the bat virus to humans. Additionally, patient zero was identified as Wei Guixian, who was selling shrimps at the Huanan Seafood Market when she developed a cold on December 10. Possibly researchers have not included her in the initial 41 samples from Wuhan, 13 of which are not linked to the market.

The first person from the Wuhan market – where the coronavirus pandemic is believed to have started – to test positive for the virus was a woman selling live shrimps, according to a document leaked to media.

The 57-year-old seafood merchant at Wuhan's Huanan market, who The Wall Street Journal have identified as a woman named Wei Guixian, first started to feel sick on December 10.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12320402

 

[Salento]

China is now testing Nukes,
... everything's under control

another “accident” and that's how they're gonna finish us off etrified:

I think China is flexing its muscles, and threatening the World that must not be criticized!

(... Our Nukes have just been upgraded, and we have plenty to ... ) We can flex too

China may be secretly testing low-grade nukes: report:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/china-may-be-secretly-testing-low-grade-nukes-report/

 

[Jovialis]

Intelligence officials weigh possibility coronavirus escaped from a Chinese lab

There are reasons to be wary of that theory. It may serve as a propaganda tool for politicians who want to fan tensions with China, and many scientists still argue that a natural outbreak is the most likely possibility, dismissing any alternative theory. But finding the source of the outbreak could also be vital in understanding how it spread and how to prevent the next potential pandemic.

https://news.yahoo.com/intelligence...rus-escaped-from-a-chinese-lab-194958353.html

Well, what if it is in fact true? It is no secret the Chinese government commits human rights violations, on top of that, we need to pretend like this incident wasn't their fault, like scared little rabbits?

 

[Dagne]

i am not interested on what the Chinese say, they tried to cover it up............i only follow what the Australian gov'nt states, so wet markets should be banned

Well, I was just pointing out that, in fact, the lead might go to a lab, which was researching dangerous bat viruses, rather than a wet market where wild animals were sold for consumption.
But in general, as a vegetarian for about 15 years, I agree, all wet-markets with wild meat sales should be banned. I would also agree banning sales of all meat products, inasmuch as any contact between human and animal has a potential for creating a novel virus. In general, humanity would be better off in terms of health, climate, and more human ) without eating meat.
Of course, I understand this cannot happen now, as majority of people like meat... But on a whole, I am with you about banning wet markets.

 

[Angela]

Also, the Lab was supposed to be operating at Safety Level 4, but was only operating at Safety Level 2. There are cables and e-mails from U.S. scientists in December raising the issue.

Most importantly, the Chinese Communist Government initially closed the Wet Markets. If they know the virus started there, why open them again? Why impose another level of censorship on papers from Chinese scientists about it?

Why did they punish the first doctors who raised the alarms? Why make scientists destroy research on the first cases?

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but this smells...

In addition, it's now been revealed that while they were telling their puppy dog at the head of the WHO that there was no human to human transmission, they were going around the world buying up supplies of PPE, including 2 million masks in one three week period alone.

Now, they're conducting "area" or "small" Nukes; you know, the kind you could lob at another country that wouldn't poison your own atmosphere.

What the hell do people have to see before accepting they are bad actors on the world stage.

 

[Angela]

I don't know that all that temperature taking is going to be very useful.

According to this paper, infectiousness peaks on or Before BEFORE any symptoms appear; 44% of secondary infections were incurred before the onset of symptoms.

See:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5

"We report temporal patterns of viral shedding in 94 patients with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 and modeled COVID-19 infectiousness profiles from a separate sample of 77 infector–infectee transmission pairs. We observed the highest viral load in throat swabs at the time of symptom onset, and inferred that infectiousness peaked on or before symptom onset. We estimated that 44% (95% confidence interval, 25–69%) of secondary cases were infected during the index cases’ presymptomatic stage, in settings with substantial household clustering, active case finding and quarantine outside the home. Disease control measures should be adjusted to account for probable substantial presymptomatic transmission."

 

[Northener]

Also, the Lab was supposed to be operating at Safety Level 4, but was only operating at Safety Level 2. There are cables and e-mails from U.S. scientists in December raising the issue.

Most importantly, the Chinese Communist Government initially closed the Wet Markets. If they know the virus started there, why open them again? Why impose another level of censorship on papers from Chinese scientists about it?

Why did they punish the first doctors who raised the alarms? Why make scientists destroy research on the first cases?

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but this smells...

In addition, it's now been revealed that while they were telling their puppy dog at the head of the WHO that there was no human to human transmission, they were going around the world buying up supplies of PPE, including 2 million masks in one three week period alone.

Now, they're conducting "area" or "small" Nukes; you know, the kind you could lob at another country that wouldn't poison your own atmosphere.

What the hell do people have to see before accepting they are bad actors on the world stage.

Because the Chinese government has a total authority......

 

[Duarte]

Beautiful late autumn afternoon now in the neighborhood where I live, in Belo Hiorizonte. A few minutes ago all the residents of the neighborhood went to their windows in a big protest against the dismissing of the Minister of Health, an ardent defender of horizontal isolation, substitutedby another Minister, defender of vertical isolation. The mayor of Belo Horizonte threatens to arrest those walking on the streets and has established sanitary barriers on the access roads to the city. Vehicles from other cities, including buses, coming from locations where city administrations are not adopting horizontal isolation, are being banned from entering the city. Our mayor is right. We have the support of the Federal Supreme Court to do this. Bolsonaro and his new Minister of Health cannot do anything against us. Perhaps this beautiful evening is an indication that God is with us. So be it. Now is the time for Angelus. People are singing Ave Maria in their windows.

 

[bigsnake49]

Really people?

[FONT=&quot]Billionaire Bill Gates and his wife Melinda have committed $100 million of their own money to fight the coronavirus pandemic. In return, a fevered segment of the pro-Trump internet is convinced the couple wants to kill off a good portion of humanity, then install mark-of-the-beast style tracking chips in whoever survives. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On Wednesday, pro-Trump personalities and regular Trump White House guests “Diamond and Silk” became the latest to push conspiracy theories about Gates, tweeting that the Microsoft founder was operating on a secretive “agenda” to “rule the world with vaccines” and vowing not to take any coronavirus vaccine that Gates was involved with."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumpists-believe-bill-gates-using-084343982.html[/FONT]

 

[Angela]

No wonder there were all those reports in China of bodies being incinerated...the bodies of Covid 19 patients are still contagious after death.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...rce=twitter&utm_campaign=SciAm_&sf232864342=1