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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... no US decline, ... In the USA there are 50 Governors who choose how to best fight Covid-19, the Feds gives Guidelines and Logistics Support.

    My State has been fantastic at fighting Covid-19, the latest numbers are excellent.

    50 voices and methods internally, but only one Federal Executive Voice with Power in International Affairs.
    huhuh....I don't live in North Korea Salento so the current state of affairs about corona is followed closely here.....
    And of course wut all the respect our perspectives are different.....but let's say my impression is that you are a little bit selective ;)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/w...-covid-19.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    huhuh....I don't live in North Korea Salento so the current state of affairs about corona is followed closely here.....
    And of course wut all the respect our perspectives are different.....but let's say my impression is that you are a little bit selective ;)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/w...-covid-19.html
    I stand by what I said, ... that New York Times article is selective and is about Political President Trump, it is not consequential in real life,
    internally the decisions are made by the Governors, not by the President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I stand by what I said, ... that New York Times article is selective and is about Political President Trump, it is not consequential in real life,
    internally the decisions are made by the Governors, not by the President.
    What I said is that the approach towards corona of the president and the governors is different, I'm not talking about formal lines. My impression is that sometimes the president want to exceed it's powers beyond it's limits in this respect...

    As it comes to information by the president even facebook and twitter refuse nowadays his worse disinformation, that's unheard of in 'the free countries'. He is telling simply lies about the function of hydroxychloroquine. You may defend him but even if he spread lies about it you still do?
    But it's more severe that there are no checks and balances in a proper democracy a president or prime minister gets nailed for that! Misleading the public....
    And nowadays facebook and twitter have to do that job and not the congres?

    And the decline of the US is there:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53574953
    So no US decline is simply not true.

    Like I said the corona virus is like a xray photo that makes very clear where all our nations (every!) have difficulties in their functioning.

    The US hasn't a proper welfare system and an accessible health care etc.....all choices....but IMO the US is going to pay the price for it now. But that's my (privat) opinion like you said: 'I stand by what I said'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    You must not forget that things like obese is not only related to genetics, but have a very big life style/ social-economic factor too.... The US is for the most part still a segregated society black people still live more than average in poor area's.
    Here comes much together: low income, more flex jobs, bad kind of nutricion etc. So extra vulnerable for the corona spread. You seem to neglect that.
    It doesn't cost a lot of money to not eat poorly. Fruits and vegetables are cheap, so are certain meats you can buy. In fact, garbage food like McDonalds, and Burger King, are more expensive. It seems that some people just don't have the cultural background in how to prepare those kinds of meals for their families, I guess. But now that we have the internet, it is not esoteric knowledge. Nobody is force feeding people to eat fast food. People should take some accountability for their actions, and stop blaming others for their poor choices.

    That being said, I actually really like Hispanic food, like Cuban and Columbian cuisine. They probably don't eat fast food as much as African-Americans though. Moreover, they are varied in terms of genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    It doesn't cost a lot of money to not eat poorly. Fruits and vegetables are cheap, so are certain meats you can buy. In fact, garbage food like McDonalds, and Burger King, are more expensive. It seems that some people just don't have the cultural background in how to prepare those kinds of meals for their families, I guess. But now that we have the internet, it is not esoteric knowledge. Nobody is force feeding people to eat fast food, but somehow you think they are? How about people take some accountability for their actions, and stop blaming others for their poor choices.
    IMO it's a cumulation:

    The problem is not that a McDonald’s exists in a community. The problem is that it has an overwhelming influence on what that community has access to. And at the end of the day, no corporation should ever, in my opinion, replicate or try to assume any of the roles that the state should take on — and that is to make sure that people have safe places to spend time, healthy food to eat, good jobs that pay good wages, access to medical care, access to the arts and cultural experiences, and access to funding for colleges. All of those things. I think our state responsibilities have been grafted upon corporations. If you want people to develop a healthier diet, they have to have a better quality of life in which they can make real choices about what they eat.


    https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/1/10/21058393/mcdonalds-fast-food-black-franchise-marcia-chatelain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    But now that we have the internet, it is not esoteric knowledge. Nobody is force feeding people to eat fast food. People should take some accountability for their actions, and stop blaming others for their poor choices.

    That being said, I actually really like Hispanic food, like Cuban and Columbian cuisine. They probably don't eat fast food as much as African-Americans though. Moreover, they are varied in terms of genetics.

    It's not that simple IMO. I'm a social climber in many ways, so I know something about habits, choices etc. Of course is't also about responsibility, but that's not the whole story.....

    You have like I have acquired (partly or whole) some kind of (higher) middle class values. So when I come back from holiday's and I see hoho too much weight I go on exercise, watch out what I eat etc. Read some articles on the net.But not the whole worlds functions like that Jovialis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    It doesn't cost a lot of money to not eat poorly. Fruits and vegetables are cheap, so are certain meats you can buy. In fact, garbage food like McDonalds, and Burger King, are more expensive. It seems that some people just don't have the cultural background in how to prepare those kinds of meals for their families, I guess. But now that we have the internet, it is not esoteric knowledge. Nobody is force feeding people to eat fast food. People should take some accountability for their actions, and stop blaming others for their poor choices.

    That being said, I actually really like Hispanic food, like Cuban and Columbian cuisine. They probably don't eat fast food as much as African-Americans though. Moreover, they are varied in terms of genetics.
    To be honest bro relatively speaking Fast Food is the cheaper option in the US. Not everywhere but in most places I have been.

    I was mind boggled how expensive fruit and vegetables are relative to less healthy options in the United States. Things that most people take for granted in what some would call a 3d world country (2nd at best) like N Macedonia, ie "organic fruit and veggies at a relatively cheap cost, are IMHO highly overpriced in some parts of the US. (fruit veggies are organic by default according to the most common definition of organic, barring pesticides according to other definitions)

    I am speaking from personal anecdote of course, so take my words with a pinch of salt. But say Massachusetts (Martha's Vineyard more specifically), NY City, and to some extend Metro Chicago for me it was cheaper on average to go to Burger King than opt for "organic" options.
    That was not the case in other places I have been like Iowa, Suburban Illinois and Minnesota.

    Overall I have to agree with you... It comes down to personal responsibility and owning up to ones choices. But lets not pretend that for some people it is not cheaper to kill themselves with highly caloric / cheap fast food rather than opt into the "organic" trend. Cost per calorie ratio wise. Quite tragic if you ask me .
    “Man cannot live without a permanent trust in something indestructible in himself, and at the same time that indestructible something as well as his trust in it may remain permanently concealed from him.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    To be honest bro relatively speaking Fast Food is the cheaper option in the US. Not everywhere but in most places I have been.

    I was mind boggled how expensive fruit and vegetables are relative to less healthy options in the United States. Things that most people take for granted in what some would call a 3d world country (2nd at best) like N Macedonia, ie "organic fruit and veggies at a relatively cheap cost, are IMHO highly overpriced in some parts of the US. (fruit veggies are organic by default according to the most common definition of organic, barring pesticides according to other definitions)

    I am speaking from personal anecdote of course, so take my words with a pinch of salt. But say Massachusetts (Martha's Vineyard more specifically), NY City, and to some extend Metro Chicago for me it was cheaper on average to go to Burger King than opt for "organic" options.
    That was not the case in other places I have been like Iowa, Suburban Illinois and Minnesota.

    Overall I have to agree with you... It comes down to personal responsibility and owning up to ones choices. But lets not pretend that for some people it is not cheaper to kill themselves with highly caloric / cheap fast food rather than opt into the "organic" trend. Cost per calorie ratio wise. Quite tragic if you ask me .
    I disagree, fast food is more expensive, without a doubt. Even in places like Whole Foods, it is cheaper than buying something like McDonald's to feed a family. The area I live in has the highest cost of living compared to almost everywhere else in the country.

    Go to a place like Sam's Club, or other big box stores, and you will get food in bulk. Some garbage like a single big mac meal like $7.50 plus tax, when you can buy a lot of ground beef and make hamburgers for a whole family for much cheaper. The problem is people are lazy and want to have their food readily made for them. I go shopping almost every two weeks, so I know.

    The cost of fast food hamburgers has jumped over 54% in the last decade, and it is toxic for you to boot:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-03/fast-food-hailed-as-cheap-and-speedy-isn-t-such-a-steal-today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I disagree, fast food is more expensive, without a doubt. Even in places like Whole Foods, it is cheaper than buying something like McDonald's. The area I live in has the highest cost of living compared to almost everywhere else in the country.Go to a place like Sam's Club, or other big box stores, and you will get food in bulk. Some garbage like a single big mac meal like $7.50 plus tax, when you can buy a lot of ground beef and make hamburgers for a whole family for much cheaper. The problem is people are lazy and want to have their food readily made for them. I go shopping almost every two weeks, so I know.The cost of fast food hamburgers has jumped over 54% in the last decade, and it is toxic for you to boot:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-a-steal-today
    Also it is common knowledge that is much cheaper to cook food at home than eat out:
    We found on average, it is almost five times more expensive to order delivery from a restaurant than it is to cook at home. And if you’re using a meal kit service as a shortcut to a home cooked meal, it’s a bit more affordable, but still almost three times as expensive as cooking from scratch.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/priceon.../#7ef4e2c735e5
    Question for you, do you usually go shopping? Also, are you from this country, or Albania? Also, you don't have to buy "organic". Regular food is better than processed garbage from fast food. Organic is just a marketing slogan. If you go to a regular grocery store, not everything is labeled organic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I disagree, fast food is more expensive. Even in places like Whole Foods, it is cheaper than buying something like McDonald's. The area I live in has the highest cost of living compared to almost everywhere else in the country.

    Go to a place like Sam's Club, or other big box stores, and you will get food in bulk. Some garbage like a single big mac meal is over $10, when you can buy a lot of ground beef and make hamburgers for a whole family for much cheaper. The problem is people are lazy and want to have their food readily made for them. I go shopping almost every two weeks, so I know.

    The cost of fast food hamburgers has jumped over 54% in the last decade, and it is toxic for you to boot:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-03/fast-food-hailed-as-cheap-and-speedy-isn-t-such-a-steal-today
    You are probably right.

    I was paying 10-15$ at BK for one meal in Hyannis, as Marthas did not even have large franchise Fast Foods (quite interesting place, good wages for seasonal work as a student (really nice tips), but the prices were nuts) xD. With that $15 I could probably scrape something up.
    The thing is while the article you share says the prices of Fast Food have gone up by as much as 50%, it explicitly states its about the prices of non dollar (ie non low cost) menus.

    As a vegetarian just the romaine lettuce was like $8 for 340 grams (12 oz), with the cheese (Parmesan) $5 for ~200g (8oz)... But the salad... at least Balkan style has a lot of ingredients that just add to the cost. So far, $13 for two salads with just those basic ingredients... with more ingredients the cost would be maybe $15+ or $20 to add some add-ons. Example: $9 for 8oz of feta... This is the healthy option imo. You could probably save money eating pasta, but who eats pasta more than 2-3 times a week over a longer stretch of time, and how healthy is it anyway(?).

    Was it cheaper than the options? Sure going to a local non franchised fast food could set you back $20-30 minimum for the cheaper places. And you do not get the dollar menu options even at the cheapest places.
    Given all that, it must be said that Martha's/Cape Cod is a very fringe example. Touristic place and all.

    But compare this to a metropolis like Prague. I could swear the prices for healthy vegetarian options were sometimes even cheaper than N Macedonia (including certified high quality imports)(excluding some greens). Sounds insane, but just what I experienced.

    All that said, you are absolutely right. Personal responsibility above all, and that has a lot to do with culture/upbringing/family values.
    But relatively speaking I find it easier to eat healthy in Europe. Maybe I am hopelessly biased. That said props to the Mid West, their prices/options for eating healthy were amazing.

    Edit since I just read your second post: Never disputed it is cheaper to cook yourself, its a no brainer, since you are paying for labor, delivery, markups and what not when you order, or eat in.
    As for shopping yeah. I used to shop maybe every 3-4 days in Prague, where I lived for the first 5-6 months of 2020, I could scrape by spending 40-60 Euros every 3-4 days on groceries. Occasionally ordering delivery.
    Right now I live in N Macedonia so seldom I am the one doing the shopping. Eat out far more. A thing I noticed is that for the same Italian imports, Parmigiano for example, I would pay less in Prague than in N Macedonia.

    PS: How do you manage to shop once every two weeks :O ... That is some discipline. I was shopping so often, because If I would buy a lot of stuff like veggies and fruits at once it would go bad before I could eat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    You are probably right.

    I was paying 10-15$ at BK for one meal in Hyannis, as Marthas did not even have large franchise Fast Foods (quite interesting place, good wages for seasonal work as a student (really nice tips), but the prices were nuts) xD. With that $15 I could probably scrape something up.
    The thing is while the article you share says the prices of Fast Food have gone up by as much as 50%, it explicitly states its about the prices of non dollar (ie non low cost) menus.

    As a vegetarian just the romaine lettuce was like $8 for 340 grams (12 oz), with the cheese (Parmesan) $5 for ~200g (8oz)... But the salad... at least Balkan style has a lot of ingredients that just add to the cost. So far, $13 for two salads with just those basic ingredients... with more ingredients the cost would be maybe $15+ or $20 to add some add-ons. Example: $9 for 8oz of feta... This is the healthy option imo. You could probably save money eating pasta, but who eats pasta more than 2-3 times a week over a longer stretch of time, and how healthy is it anyway(?).

    Was it cheaper than the options? Sure going to a local non franchised fast food could set you back $20-30 minimum for the cheaper places. And you do not get the dollar menu options even at the cheapest places.
    Given all that, it must be said that Martha's/Cape Cod is a very fringe example. Touristic place and all.

    But compare this to a metropolis like Prague. I could swear the prices for healthy vegetarian options were sometimes even cheaper than N Macedonia (including certified high quality imports)(excluding some greens). Sounds insane, but just what I experienced.

    All that said, you are absolutely right. Personal responsibility above all, and that has a lot to do with culture/upbringing/family values.
    But relatively speaking I find it easier to eat healthy in Europe. Maybe I am hopelessly biased. That said props to the Mid West, their prices/options for eating healthy were amazing.

    Edit since I just read your second post: Never disputed it is cheaper to cook yourself, its a no brainer, since you are paying for labor, delivery, markups and what not when you order, or eat in.
    As for shopping yeah. I used to shop maybe every 3-4 days in Prague, where I lived for the first 5-6 months of 2020, I could scrape by spending 40-60 Euros every 3-4 days on groceries. Occasionally ordering delivery.
    Right now I live in N Macedonia so seldom I am the one doing the shopping. Eat out far more. A thing I noticed is that for the same Italian imports, Parmigiano for example, I would pay less in Prague than in N Macedonia.

    PS: How do you manage to shop once every two weeks :O ... That is some discipline. I was shopping so often, because If I would buy a lot of stuff like veggies and fruits at once it would go bad before I could eat it.
    Me and my wife cook at home almost every day, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. We don't eat out very often, especially now given the pandemic. Actually, our biggest problem is overstocking our refridgerator. Part of the reason I married her is because she is a good cook . She's Italian (central). Though we used to go out to places pre-pandemic, for something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Me and my wife cook at home almost every day, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. We don't eat out very often, especially now given the pandemic. Actually, our biggest problem is overstocking our refridgerator. Part of the reason I married her is because she is a good cook, she's Italian (central). Though we used to go out to places pre-pandemic, for something different.
    Yeah, should have thought of that, having a partner certainly makes shopping groceries easier. Now, having an Italian partner that knows how to cook is a blessing, you're a lucky man.

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    Thank you, Archetype0ne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    It's not that simple IMO. I'm a social climber in many ways, so I know something about habit, choices etc. Of course is't also about responsibility, but that's not the whole story.....

    You have like I have acquired (partly or whole) some kind of (higher) middle class values. So when I come back from holiday's and I see hoho too much weight I go on exercise, watch out what I eat etc. Read some articles on the net.But not the whole worlds functions like that Jovialis.
    I was very surprised by the CDC finding that African-Americans get 20% less physical activity. Granted, if you live in a dangerous neighborhood, you are unlikely to go outside as often. Nevertheless, there are many exercise routines you can do at home, without even using equipment. But that comes down to guidance, and parenting. But I think part of the reason may come down to genetics, and how they store fat, as well as metabolism. My metabolism was always very fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I was very surprised by the CDC finding that African-Americans get 20% less physical activity. Granted, if you live in a dangerous neighborhood, you are unlikely to go outside as often. Nevertheless, there are many exercise routines you can do at home, without even using equipment. But that comes down to guidance, and parenting. But I think part of the reason may come down to genetics, and how they store fat, as well as metabolism. My metabolism was always very fast.
    The thing is that IMO you can't bring it all down to (your own) personal choices/circumstances. It's nature and also nurture. In the US as in the Netherlands when born they can predict based on your zip code what your social-economic future will be. There are of course exceptions but generally they can.


    To bring it to my own situation I discovered on geneplaza and yourdna that I have quite a few snp's that hint to become obese. I was in the twenties early thirties tall and lean. But some stress factors enhanced it, now I'm in the overweight danger zone, the lock down measures (no gym were not good in this respect....but the battle has begon and the first kilo's are gone! Hopefully fit for the predicted second corona wave....
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    If immunity to the virus lasts less than a year, for example, similar to other human coronaviruses in circulation, there could be annual surges in COVID-19 infections through to 2025 and beyond. Here, Nature explores what the science says about the months and years to come.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...=pocket-newtab
    I hope these people are wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I hope these people are wrong...
    I hope so too. But judging by the way people are reacting to the simple act of wearing a mask, I won't be surprised in the slightest if it does last longer than we are ready for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    I hope so too. But judging by the way people are reacting to the simple act of wearing a mask, I won't be surprised in the slightest if it does last longer than we are ready for.
    Just wait till the vaccine comes out, and how many loons will refuse to take it. Even after all of the safety precautions will be met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    I hope so too. But judging by the way people are reacting to the simple act of wearing a mask, I won't be surprised in the slightest if it does last longer than we are ready for.
    It certainly isn’t going away in the States!

    Of course, leadership does make a difference. Try looking at the chart in:

    The State of the Unions
    by Felix Richter, Aug 10, 2020

    When the European Union reopened its borders to non-members on July 1, the United States found itself on the list of countries excluded from the lifting of travel restrictions. Due to its failure to control the spread of the novel coronavirus, the U.S. didn't meet the criteria applied by the bloc’s member states, which also keep travelers from Russia and Brazil, among others, from entering the EU.Last month, the European Commission had recommended the gradual reopening of EU borders for external visitors on July 1, saying that “international travel is key for tourism and business, and for family and friends reconnecting.

    While we will all have to remain careful, the time has come to make concrete preparations for lifting restrictions with countries whose health situation is similar to the EU's.” The Commission advised member states to keep restrictions in place “for countries whose situation is worse than in the EU,” a criterium the U.S. sadly but doubtlessly meets at the moment.
    As the following chart, based on data from Johns Hopkins University, illustrates, the trend of daily new COVID-19 cases has taken completely different trajectories for the U.S. and the European Union. While cases in the U.S. started surging in mid-June, the outbreak appeared to be under control in the EU. Nearly six weeks into the reopening of its borders to international travelers, the European Union is also seeing new infections rise again - a painful reminder that the pandemic isn't over just yet.


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    Looks like I’ve hit the threshold, so here’s the link:

    https://www.statista.com/chart/22102...us-and-the-eu/


    It should also be pointed out that the EU has a much larger population than the US.

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    Not good news from Asia. Man who had Covid in April and recovered was re-infected during a vacation in Spain from a slightly different version of the virus.

    The only good news is that he was asymptomatic the second time.

    Of course, he's still contagious.

    Also, what does that say about whether a vaccine once would cover all bases globally, or even for one year in one area.

    This is very disheartening. If true, it would mean herd immunity might not work. It would also mean we might be doomed to wearing masks and social distancing, no restaurants or big events for years.

    I read that Northeastern University is going to test its students every three days. Is this the future, or just accepting that people over 60 will have to live in purdah of a sort for years, and younger people genetically susceptible to bad cases of it are just going to get very sick or die?

    My God, they really did break the world.


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    Well it may not be that bad Angela, perhaps COVID will be like simple cold after some time (years, I mean). It will still be here, but people won't get very sick from it, once they got through with it once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagne View Post
    Well it may not be that bad Angela, perhaps COVID will be like simple cold after some time (years, I mean). It will still be here, but people won't get very sick from it, once they got through with it once.
    Thanks for the note of hope, Dagne. I sincerely hope you're right. I do miss concerts in particular, and meeting my friends for lunch.

    I am also seriously pining for Italy. It's never been this long since I've been there; usually it's twice a year at least. I also have bucket list trips I still haven't done; one is a literary tour of England. I've been planning it for years. I also have never been to Israel, and I very much want to go, and after all this genetics talk, to Anatolia/Turkey. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Thanks for the note of hope, Dagne. I sincerely hope you're right. I do miss concerts in particular, and meeting my friends for lunch.

    I am also seriously pining for Italy. It's never been this long since I've been there; usually it's twice a year at least. I also have bucket list trips I still haven't done; one is a literary tour of England. I've been planning it for years. I also have never been to Israel, and I very much want to go, and after all this genetics talk, to Anatolia/Turkey. :)
    Very good plans, Angela! I think the world will be open again in some three years - let's say from 2023-24; Before that there will be opportunities to travel to some countries on some periods - at least in Europe, borders are not closed, or they keep on opening and closing them from time to time. I think governments will develop some universal criteria when it is more or less safe to open borders and allow travel, and what kind of precautions we should use. I don't feel much social distancing in Lithuania, for instance. Yes, we have to wear masks while in public places inside (like when shopping or in public transport). Concerts and other kind of gatherings are taking place, too. At this point it is quite safe in Italy, too, for instance. Of course, situation can hardly get better during winter period, so I am prepared for that... But then there will be spring time, and situation will improve again. Besides, people are good about adapting, and we all will get used to new reality, and perhaps won't notice some restrictions too much.
    So far, at this point, it is good time to dream about our travels and prepare for that in terms of finances, or perhaps learning something on in-depth level/reading some books. I think life is good anyways.

    But why are you not meeting your friends for lunch? Is everything still closed where you are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagne View Post
    Very good plans, Angela! I think the world will be open again in some three years - let's say from 2023-24; Before that there will be opportunities to travel to some countries on some periods - at least in Europe, borders are not closed, or they keep on opening and closing them from time to time. I think governments will develop some universal criteria when it is more or less safe to open borders and allow travel, and what kind of precautions we should use. I don't feel much social distancing in Lithuania, for instance. Yes, we have to wear masks while in public places inside (like when shopping or in public transport). Concerts and other kind of gatherings are taking place, too. At this point it is quite safe in Italy, too, for instance. Of course, situation can hardly get better during winter period, so I am prepared for that... But then there will be spring time, and situation will improve again. Besides, people are good about adapting, and we all will get used to new reality, and perhaps won't notice some restrictions too much.
    So far, at this point, it is good time to dream about our travels and prepare for that in terms of finances, or perhaps learning something on in-depth level/reading some books. I think life is good anyways.

    But why are you not meeting your friends for lunch? Is everything still closed where you are?
    Most of the ones we liked for indoor dining are either closed or there's like three or four tables set up. It makes most of my friends feel "weird" and unsafe just to be in an environment like that.

    There's outdoor dining at some places, but it also seems "weird" if you know what I mean. The tables are spread very wide apart, waiters all masked. It's like you can't forget it and just relax. We do occasionally meet at two dockside restaurants we like. We sit practically on top of the water and go when the wind is blowing toward us. I can't go very long without my moules with French fries! :)


    The Museums are opening up a bit so that helps too. That was one of our favorite things to do: take the train into the city, have an early lunch, and then go to the museum exhibit we chose to see. Or, we'd go to a theater matinee.

    It's as if so many of the things which made being close to New York City so wonderful were taken away.

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