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    A tribute, a dedication to the doctor who revealed new Corona virus,
    and he was arrested, cencored, etc etc, by police, goverment etc.

    A doctor who earn his name written in a Pantheon of martyrs, and consius workers/scientists.




    almost 1 after,
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    Divine blindness conquers them
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    List of prominent scientists who have gone on record as saying that Covid 19 could have escaped from the Wuhan Lab.\
    https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/...58950051553286

    Meanwhile, The New York Times continues to insist that such allegations are completely unfounded.

    WHY THE HELL do they think so many Chinese doctors from that lab disappeared???

    You don't need a PHD in microbiology to figure some of these things out; you just need common sense in looking at the facts.

    That's why I no longer subscribe and don't pay any attention to what they put out.

    P.S. VERY IMPORTANT

    Don't take the Astrozenica vaccine. In comparison to the others it does very badly against the more deadly "South African" strain.


    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    List of prominent scientists who have gone on record as saying that Covid 19 could have escaped from the Wuhan Lab.\
    https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/...58950051553286

    Meanwhile, The New York Times continues to insist that such allegations are completely unfounded.

    WHY THE HELL do they think so many Chinese doctors from that lab disappeared???

    You don't need a PHD in microbiology to figure some of these things out; you just need common sense in looking at the facts.

    That's why I no longer subscribe and don't pay any attention to what they put out.
    Some alternatives:
    - Lab "created" the virus, which was spread out (un)intentionally.
    - A natural virus was released on purpose.
    - A natural virus was being studied, and (accidently) "escaped" from the lab.
    - None of the above.

    Afaik, the first alternative would have been discarded, but not the others. One of the last two seems more likely.
    Forced to be, I'd guess the virus was being studied and escaped by accident. But who knows!

    I just found some of the many related articles I shared with fellows along the pandemic. Some info could be "outdated". Don't know.

    How we know the new coronavirus comes from nature
    https://www.futurity.org/coronavirus...ses-2310282-2/

    The proximal origin of SARS-Cov-2
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

    Covid-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0317175442.htm


    And:

    Sources believe coronavirus outbreak originated in Wuhan lab as part of China's efforts to compete with US
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cor...ete-us-sources

    Why are we hesitating to demand an international inquiry into China?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...inquiry-china/

    Leaked ‘Five Eyes’ dossier on alleged Chinese coronavirus coverup consistent with US findings, officials say
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fiv...p-u-s-findings


    It could have started in August 2019
    Coronavirus: Satellite traffic images may suggest virus hit Wuhan earlier
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52975934


    Far back in 2015:

    Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research
    https://www.nature.com/news/engineer...search-1.18787
    The editors had to add the following note:
    "We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus."

    Still from 2015:

    A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    Well, either way, we have to keep the eyes open.
    Back in 2005:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/12/u...r-concern.html

    Even Bill Gates mentioned the risk back in 2014:
    https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates...e_re_not_ready

    P.S. VERY IMPORTANT

    Don't take the Astrozenica vaccine. In comparison to the others it does very badly against the more deadly "South African" strain.
    What I've read is that AstraZeneca vaccine would not protect against mild and moderate illness caused by the South African strain, but it supposedly avoids hospitalization and death, which would be something.

    The immune response after Moderna vaccine would be stronger. It uses mRNA, as Pfizer. Still...
    Headline of Financial Times: "Moderna is developing a new vaccine after it warned that its current jab is far less effective against the South African variant."
    https://www.ft.com/content/c0c8f72c-...4-0db153ad85db

    Moderna's (as likely Pfizer's) is less effective against the South African strain, but it would still provide sufficient protection.
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    Okay, this is probably the dumbest thing I have seen in a long time:

    Iran cleric: People who are vaccinated for COVID have ‘become homosexuals

    https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/ir...sexuals-658173

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    I've read that about 40% of the French would not get a vaccine against Covid. I'm impressed.

    This is an interesting article about it.

    Financial Times

    How to take on Covid conspiracy theories

    As vaccines are rolled out around the globe, we are more vulnerable than ever to disinformation

    https://www.ft.com/content/6660cb80-...7-e0193fa975f9

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    Idiots...let them get it and take their chances. It will be natural selection at work.

    All hospitalizations and death certificates should indicate whether the person refused the vaccine.

    We don't want to screw up the analysis of efficacy of various vaccines.

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    Just saw this, coincidently:

    Coronavirus latest: WHO study suggests Covid came from animals, not Wuhan lab
    https://www.ft.com/content/52ae85ba-...2-88977d95ebcb

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    You believe that?

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    See:

    Exclusive: 'Universal vaccine' that can conquer all variants could be available within a year thanks to British scientists
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...variants-could

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    This is only partially vaccinated, BTW. Meaning, only one of two doses administered. Well, I guess this summer will be shot too:



    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ine-doses.html

    They really need to step up their game, cut all the stupid rules for who gets it first, and mass produce it faster!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    Look at the link to see the interactive map.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...age-calculator
    The USA will be fine, but the rest of the world will lag behind. Will some of these other 3rd world countries that do not display data, be able to achieve this goal, even in our lifetimes?!

    What is up with Canada? Is Trudeau this incompetent, that it will take 8 years to vaccinate a country of only 37 million people?

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    Pfizer’s Vaccine Works Well With 1 Dose and Can Be Stored More Easily

    Published in The Lancet on Thursday and drawing from a group of 9,100 Israeli health care workers, the study showed that Pfizer’s vaccine was 85 percent effective 15 to 28 days after receiving the first dose. Pfizer and BioNTech’s late-stage clinical trials, which enrolled 44,000 people, showed that the vaccine was 95 percent effective if two doses were given three weeks apart.


    Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s leading expert on infectious diseases and an adviser to President Biden, said at a White House news conference on the pandemic on Friday that the results of the study are not significant enough to change the U.S. recommendations.

    He pointed out that the people in the study were on the younger and healthier side and the researchers could not say how long the protection from one shot of the vaccine would last. He also said it was possible that a less-than-optimal dose might not kill the most powerful variants of the virus, theoretically allowing them to spread more quickly in the population.


    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/02...19-coronavirus
    I was overjoyed until I read this part.

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    ^^16.9 million have been fully vaccinated. We have approximately 230 million left to go, to reach 75%. Truly a Herculean task...

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    Good article.

    The coronavirus is here to stay - here's what that means
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00396-2

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    Ultimately, this is what needs to be done:

    As Israel Reopens, ‘Whoever Does Not Get Vaccinated Will Be Left Behind’

    “Getting vaccinated is a moral duty. It is part of our mutual responsibility,” said the health minister, Yuli Edelstein. He also has a new mantra: “Whoever does not get vaccinated will be left behind.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/w...ne-reopen.html
    How many more people who are willing to be vaccinated must die, due to the un-willing queued before them?

    I agree with the health minister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Ultimately, this is what needs to be done:



    How many more people who are willing to be vaccinated must die, due to the un-willing queued before them?
    If most of these idiots don't get vaccinated we won't reach the 75% which would confer herd immunity.

    Fine, let them get out of the queue for now, but the time may come when sanctions would have to be imposed for not getting vaccinated.

    Enough is enough.

    A young family lives down the road from me. The local paper/gazette says the mother refuses to get her children vaccinated and plans to homeschool them forever I guess. That's just great. This is an educated person. Where is the common sense? Does she know what diphtheria does? Rheumatic fever? I didn't get those two but I got every other "childhood" disease, and it was no picnic. A adult getting some of even the more "innocuous" ones can die, or become sterile from something like mumps.

    I grew up on stories of how my uncle Elio on my father's side died of diphtheria when he was an infant, and my mother's brother went blind from another "childhood" illness. An aunt died in childbirth because she gave birth at home, hemorrhaged, and no doctor was around, just the local midwife. If I have to hear one more new agey mother bleat about giving birth at home into a freaking tub full of water with candles around and classical music, I may heave. This is a spoiled, selfish generation which has never really suffered as our ancestors did; that's why they're so naïve and lacking in common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    If most of these idiots don't get vaccinated we won't reach the 75% which would confer herd immunity.

    Fine, let them get out of the queue for now, but the time may come when sanctions would have to be imposed for not getting vaccinated.

    Enough is enough.

    A young family lives down the road from me. The local paper/gazette says the mother refuses to get her children vaccinated and plans to homeschool them forever I guess. That's just great. This is an educated person. Where is the common sense? Does she know what diphtheria does? Rheumatic fever? I didn't get those two but I got every other "childhood" disease, and it was no picnic. A adult getting some of even the more "innocuous" ones can die, or become sterile from something like mumps.

    I grew up on stories of how my uncle Elio on my father's side died of diphtheria when he was an infant, and my mother's brother went blind from another "childhood" illness. An aunt died in childbirth because she gave birth at home, hemorrhaged, and no doctor was around, just the local midwife. If I have to hear one more new agey mother bleat about giving birth at home into a freaking tub full of water with candles around and classical music, I may heave. This is a spoiled, selfish generation which has never really suffered as our ancestors did; that's why they're so naïve and lacking in common sense.
    The "Green Badge" system sounds like a great idea to persuade people into getting the vaccine. If people want to enjoy the amenities of society, they need to not be a threat to it. I am fed up with all this stalling and chicanery.

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    Jovialis/Angela: I was on a more political forum and the issue of the COVID-19 vaccine and potential travel restrictions came up. I am a Political Independent with Conservative/Libertarian views on most issues. With respect to Judicial philosophy, my hero was my Fellow American of Sicilian Ancestry Antonin Scalia (Father was from Caltanissetta Province) and Mother I assume from Sicily as well, but perhaps maybe Southern mainland regions (not sure). Some posters of course were screaming about travel restrictions for people not getting the COVID-19 vaccine. Mine you this is a forum with people that are Conservative and I suggested that not allowing someone to travel on an airplane would in my view be Constitutional under a Originalist interpretation (i.e. Scalia juris prudence) since the Federal Government as jurisdiction over US Airways. In addition, any travel by air from One state to another de facto involves Interstate Commerce, which is 100% under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government (Article 1, Congress).

    I do remember this from my Civics classes years ago (do they still teach that to kids today?). So somebody doesn't want the vaccine, you can't get on a damn airplane. Period. Now travelling by Car to another state may be harder to regulate. However, air travel, 100% the Feds can regulate. In 2019, 93 million US citizens travelled abroad (I was one of them). I have seen pre-Covid stats that every day in the USA, 1.7 million people board airlines.

    So you want to travel? Do you have a vaccine? Simple yes or no. Yes, you travel by air, no, you don't end of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    ^^16.9 million have been fully vaccinated. We have approximately 230 million left to go, to reach 75%. Truly a Herculean task...
    Next week I am getting the first shot, so after I get the second dose a few weeks later, you can add me to that total.

    @ Palermo, tbh, I have no clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Next week I am getting the first shot, so after I get the second dose a few weeks later, you can add me to that total.

    @ Palermo, tbh, I have no clue.
    Congrats on getting the first shot. I am not on the list yet. My parents both in their later 70's both got it, no problems for them. I think one got the Moderna version, the other the Pfizer one.

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    So now they are talking about a third booster shot needed to combat the new variants. This is greatly demoralizing, and frustrating to say the least.

    Most people are struggling to get the first shot!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...shots-n1258775
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    So now they are talking about a third booster shot need to combat the new variants. This is greatly demoralizing, and frustrating to say the least.

    Most people are struggling to get the first shot!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...shots-n1258775
    Exactly. I was on the phone today trying to book my first shot and all the computers went down! I'm getting really demoralized.

    Apparently the Johnson and Johnson shot is a one time deal and works against the new variants just as well as the old variant. Maybe I should be glad I didn't get an appointment for the Pfizer one.

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    ^^I hope by the time I will be able to get the second shot, I will be able to plan a third one as well. But It would have to be deemed necessary within the next three weeks of when I take it.
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    I received my first Pfizer shot, I feel good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I received my first Pfizer shot, I feel good!
    Congratulations Jovialis. I have no idea when I will be vaccinated. My mother-in-law, who is 84 years old, was vaccinated with the AstraZeneca / Oxford vaccine. My wife's first cousin, a front-line health professional who, curiously, is also my cousin on my maternal grandfather's side (maybe 3rd or 4rd degree) also wasvaccinated with AstraZenecaOxford. Three months from now, according to the laboratory's guidance, they should take the second shot.

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