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Trivial detail....due to corona crisis the Euro Song Festival is down the gutter......

For all the 'lock downers' here....the supposed to be Dutch contribution, the songtext reveals something more, a (personal) message, from me to everybody here ;)


You just can't help yourself, can you? Even in the midst of all of this, practically every post has a personal or national insult. You think because it's subtle it's ok?

You've been exhibiting this kind of behavior since you showed up here, even on genetics threads with Maciamo. It didn't start with the Covid 19 discussions.

For your information I've been against the EU for ten years or more; it has nothing to do with any emotional reaction to Covid 19.

Did you think we wouldn't get your ethnic stereotyping that Southern Europeans are being too emotional? Or you thought that was the only way to do it and stay technically within the rules of the forum about insulting other people or ethnic groups?

What if I posted a thread asking if it's true that European surveys show the Dutch are considered the least sympathetic,most obnoxious people in Europe? Would that pass muster? How about if I asked whether there are higher levels of Asperger's Disease in The Netherlands? How about that?

I tried to give you a second chance, but you just won't stop. You are on permanent ignore as far as I'm concerned. You will get no responses from me.

If people are smart, they'll do the same thing.
 
You just can't help yourself, can you? Even in the midst of all of this, practically every post has a personal or national insult. You think because it's subtle it's ok?

You've been exhibiting this kind of behavior since you showed up here, even on genetics threads with Maciamo. It didn't start with the Covid 19 discussions.

For your information I've been against the EU for ten years or more; it has nothing to do with any emotional reaction to Covid 19.

Did you think we wouldn't get your ethnic stereotyping that Southern Europeans are being too emotional? Or you thought that was the only way to do it and stay technically within the rules of the forum about insulting other people or ethnic groups?

What if I posted a thread asking if it's true that European surveys show the Dutch are considered the least sympathetic,most obnoxious people in Europe? Would that pass muster? How about if I asked whether there are higher levels of Asperger's Disease in The Netherlands? How about that?

I tried to give you a second chance, but you just won't stop. You are on permanent ignore as far as I'm concerned. You will get no responses from me.

If people are smart, they'll do the same thing.

We communicatie besides each other.

That mess thing is something about New York, you talk imo in a NY way, that's in our ears sometimes kind of rough....no problem with that. And if I listen well to Cuomo that is even part of the NY self awareness.

"Did you think we wouldn't get your ethnic stereotyping that Southern Europeans are being too emotional?"
That's something that I didn’t mention in a single contribution. So I don't know what you are meaning. Based on nothing.

What if I posted a thread asking if it's true that European surveys show the Dutch are considered the least sympathetic,most obnoxious people in Europe? Would that pass muster? How about if I asked whether there are higher levels of Asperger's Disease in The Netherlands? How about that?

Be my guest. To me it are kind of laughable questions. But make it to a topic. I consider it kind of humor.


I tried to give you a second chance, but you just won't stop. You are on permanent ignore as far as I'm concerned. You will get no responses from me.If people are smart, they'll do the same thing.

The way you communicate does remind me of a sit com we saw in the eighties, the Golden Girls, you probably know it. And of them was Sophia Petrolli. Mark this is not stereotyping all Southerners or Italians (sic!), but you style reminds me very striking of her, wiki:

Sophia is best known for her wisecracks, put-downs and brazen remarks,

You don't seem aware how much this marks this forum.....

My grandfather told me 'every bird sings as they were born', so no single problem with any style or whatsoever but a public and repetitive call for ostracism is IMO not fair, nothing more nothing less.

Live and let live Angela! And debate is an oxygen of a forum....even if you don't like the person or the opinions of the members!
 
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the statistics upon now published data
the order is according spread over population.


COUNTRYPopulation /1000Confirmed infecteddeaths upon confirmedConfirmed infected /1000 peopledeaths /confirmed infected














1San Marino33236267,15150,1102
Europe with Spain's Statistics (No Russia-No Turkey)
2Andora76376124,94740,0319
3Luxenbourg6142178233,54720,0106


4Feroe isls5216903,25000,0000
InfectedDeaths
5Iceland 364113523,11810,0018
1229956,4539954,92
6Spain 467339522384642,03760,0889


7Swiss8570166054331,93760,0261
Europe with Italy's Statistics (No Russia-No Turkey)
8Italy 60318105792124281,75390,1175
9Liechtenstein396801,74360,0000


10Austria 8903101801281,14340,0126
InfectedDeaths
11Belgium 11516127757051,10930,0552
1058711,0170912,04
12EU449507396282278630,88160,0703


13Norway 53684641390,86460,0084


14Deutch 83149718087750,86360,0108


15France 670225212835230,77780,0676


16Porugal 1027774431600,72420,0215
USA with Spain's statistics
17Netherlands 174251259510390,72280,0825
18USA32824018817238730,57330,0206


19Esthonia 132874540,56100,0054
InfectedDeaths
20Ireland 65733235710,49220,0219
668820,6929175,97
21Denmark 58232860900,49120,0315


22sweden 1030344351800,43050,0406
USA with Italy's statistics
23Slovenia2100802150,38190,0187
24UK675472515017890,37230,0711


25Malta 49416900,34210,0000
InfectedDeaths
26Czech 106503308310,31060,0094
575701,5538560,26
27Finland 55211418170,25680,0120


28Cyprus118926280,22040,0305


29Croatia 407686760,21270,0069


30Lettonia 192039800,20730,0000


31Lithuania 279453780,19220,0149
32Montenegro63110920,17270,0183
33Turkey 82004135312140,16500,0158
34Severna Mac 207732990,15840,0274
China with Spain's statistics
35Moldova268235340,13160,0113
36Serbia 6964900160,12920,0178


37Greece 107681314490,12200,0373
InfectedDeaths
38Bosnia 3511420130,11960,0310
2908970,65126898,05
39Romania 194022245820,11570,0365
40Albania 2877243150,08450,0617
China with Italy's statistics
41Slovakia 545036300,06660,0000
42Kossovo181011210,06190,0089


43Poland383862311330,06020,0143
InfectedDeaths
44mainland China14276488227933090,05760,0402
2503957,98167714,09
45Bulgaria 700039980,05700,0201
46Hungary9773492160,05030,0325
47Belarus 949215210,01600,0066
48Russia 1467452337170,01590,0073
49Ukraine 42031645170,01530,0264














Average Europe -Russia -Turkey603631447925302420,7420,068





 
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Observations

the ratio among biggest confirmed infected country to lowest at EU is 70,52 times !!!!! (LUX/HUN)

East of Alps all countries are bellow average EU's infection !!!!!!

the graph on a logarithic scale shows a stability on Italy and Swiss, but a liitle tense for Spain, but under a control situation
estimation of full control can be done for the above but what meaning has to post it, some countries appear to have 2 booms.

Italy keeps the record of high confirmed mortality, while some other countries keep 0,00 like Latvia 0/398

EU compare to China
confirmed infection ratio 15.29 times
confirmed mortality 1.75 times.
only 2 countries bellow China's average.

comparing Mortality and spread over the population (virus effectiveness to bring death according virus spread)
Ukraine and Albania appear to have the biggest, while Feroe isls have lowest =0




The previous matrix according confirmed mortality.

COUNTRYPopulation /1000Confirmed infecteddeaths upon confirmedConfirmed infected /1000 peopledeaths /confirmed infected






1Italy 60318105792124281,75390,1175
1San Marino33236267,15150,1102
2Spain 467339522384642,03760,0889
3Netherlands 174251259510390,72280,0825
4UK675472515017890,37230,0711
5EU449507396282278630,88160,0703
6France 670225212835230,77780,0676
7Albania 2877243150,08450,0617
8Belgium 11516127757051,10930,0552
9sweden 1030344351800,43050,0406
10mainland China14276488227933090,05760,0402
11Greece 107681314490,12200,0373
12Romania 194022245820,11570,0365
13Hungary9773492160,05030,0325
14Andora76376124,94740,0319
15Denmark 58232860900,49120,0315
16Bosnia 3511420130,11960,0310
17Cyprus118926280,22040,0305
18Severna Mac 207732990,15840,0274
19Ukraine 42031645170,01530,0264
20Swiss8570166054331,93760,0261
21Ireland 65733235710,49220,0219
22Porugal 1027774431600,72420,0215
23USA32824018951039000,57740,0206
24Bulgaria 700039980,05700,0201
25Slovenia2100802150,38190,0187
26Montenegro63110920,17270,0183
27Serbia 6964900160,12920,0178
28Turkey 82004135312140,16500,0158
29Lithuania 279453780,19220,0149
30Poland383862311330,06020,0143
31Austria 8903101801281,14340,0126
32Finland 55211418170,25680,0120
33Moldova268235340,13160,0113
34Deutch 83149718087750,86360,0108
35Luxenbourg6142178233,54720,0106
36Czech 106503308310,31060,0094
37Kossovo181011210,06190,0089
38Norway 53684641390,86460,0084
39Russia 1467452337170,01590,0073
40Croatia 407686760,21270,0069
41Belarus 949215210,01600,0066
42Esthonia 132874540,56100,0054
43Iceland 364113523,11810,0018
44Feroe isls5216903,25000,0000
45Liechtenstein396801,74360,0000
46Malta 49416900,34210,0000
47Lettonia 192039800,20730,0000
48Slovakia 545036300,06660,0000
 
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Anemia Mediterranea ?

A lot of people have it in my town in Italy.

They test everyone for it, :unsure: and before couples get married too.
(I guess is not needed for some new Couples anymore) lol

Ironic, I’m negative for it ... and I thought I was so lucky :)
 
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Yes, Regio, I saw it in the Italian press too.

I'm surprised he says malaria is still present there, although I know it used to be in the areas around the Po, but it's certainly possible that people with long ancestry there might have higher levels of thalassemia.

Whether, if they carry it in higher numbers, it's protective, I don't know.

Interestingly enough, people who have malaria are given quinine, and hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is being tested because it seems to help some patients who have severe Covid 19. I hope they hurry up with the tests. People with autoimmune disorders like rheumatoid arthritis have been taking it for decades, and the only worrying side effect at "very" high doses is vision changes, so people are checked periodically.

The question of varying genetic susceptibility to Covid 19 is something I've been thinking about too. The common cold is a coronavirus too, after all, and some people are much more susceptible.

I was actually going to post this article.

"Yosuke Tanigawa and Manuel Rivas of Stanford University, who have also been involved in the Host Genetics Initiative, studied data from UK Biobank to look at leucocyte antigens and blood types to understand the role of genetics in Covid-19 infections. Their work, which has not been peer-reviewed, was published on preprints.org on March 24."

"Drawing on studies that found an association between more severe Covid-19 cases and individuals with lower lymphocyte – or white blood cell – counts, the two said that lymphocyte count “may play a role in susceptibility to viral infection and disease progression”.


Their study also found “significant and consistent risk reduction” for the coronavirus from people with type O blood, lending support to an earlier study by Chinese researchers
that found patients with type A blood had higher rate of infection and tended to have more severe Covid-19 symptoms, while those with type O blood had a lower risk of serious infection."
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...cs-race-uncover-who-most-susceptible-covid-19



 
Anemia Mediterranea ?

A lot of people have it in my town in Italy.

They test everyone for it, :unsure: and before couples get married too.
(I guess is not needed for some new Couples anymore) lol

Ironic, I’m negative for it ... and I thought I was so lucky :)

"The gene for beta thalassemia is not evenly distributed among peoples. It is, for example, relatively more frequent in people of Italian and Greek origin, both of which are peoples from the Mediterranean. Because of this, thalassemia major has been called Mediterranean anemia.The name thalassemia was coined at the University of Rochester in upstate New York by the Nobel Prize-winning pathologist George Whipple and the professor of pediatrics William Bradford from the Greek thalassa for sea and -emia, meaning the blood. Thalassemia means "sea in the blood." But for the Greeks, the sea was the Mediterranean, so thalassemia also conveys the idea of the Mediterranean in the blood.
The reason that the gene for beta thalassemia is relatively common, for example, among people of Italian and Greek origin is that parts of Italy and Greece were once full of malaria. The presence of thalassemia minor (like sickle cell trait in Africa) afforded protection against malaria, and therefore, this gene thrived."

As far as Northern Italy is concerned, I would doubt it's common in mountain areas, but that's a guess. I'd have to do detailed research. Certainly, though, I think it was endemic around the Po plain.
With all the intermarriage that has gone on in larger towns, it may not be at high levels even there anymore.
 
"Japan Postal service is suspending international service to many countries as of 2nd April 2020. Been here 33 years and nothing like this has ever happened…. Take note and plan accordingly."

That means no incoming mail or packages from abroad? Are they totally self-sufficient or plan to be? If the rest of the world were to follow suit, I guess that would mean don't buy those defective masks and testing kits from China.
 
Another hypothesis being proposed is that the mild flu season in Italy this year, with fewer deaths among the elderly, left Italy with a bigger pool of susceptible elderly people.

I'm not sure what to think about this, especially given that I've seen stats from Mayors in the North showing a huge spike in deaths overall from the same weeks last year. I doubt that can all be explained by this.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/italy-s-mild-flu-season-may-solve-mystery-of-coronavirus-deaths


My own personal hunch, and that's all it is, is that in Lombardia this is a "skiing" event originally. The skiers were exposed and went home, and, given the level of interaction among family members in Italy, exposed their elderly parents or grandparents. The Atalanta/Valencia match did the rest.
 
Peak transmission in Spain: data from the epidemiological curve
https://as.com/diarioas/2020/04/01/actualidad/1585734724_554074.html

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Actualizado a: 01/04/2020 13:03

The Autonomous Community most affected is Madrid, where there are more infections (29,840 this Wednesday) and more deaths (3,865), and is followed by Catalonia (19,981 and 1,849) and the Basque Country (6,838 and 369). Castilla-La Mancha (7,047 and 774), Castilla y León (6,847 and 585) and Andalucia (6,392 and 308) lag behind all of these but add cases at a similar speed.


At the beginning of the first days of confinement, it was fatal for some regions such as Extremadura, Murcia or Andalusia, the displacement of Madrid residents with a second residence in these regions. At first there was no real scope of the situation and many thought 15 days because they did not spend divinely in their second residence without knowing that they were spreading the pandemic to other territories.



Even yesterday, the residents of a town in Almería denounced a couple who moved from Madrid to a house that her mother has in Almería. The urbanization cameras confirmed that they had skipped the confinement and will be expelled from the town.


This video explains all this mess of curves, one curve is not the same as the other, I think it is clear.
The video is in Spanish but it is an international language.

watch


He anticipates that confinement will continue through April 20. The daily contagion curve will be the one that best indicates when we are close to controlling the pandemic.
 
Anemia Mediterranea ?

A lot of people have it in my town in Italy.

They test everyone for it, :unsure: and before couples get married too.
(I guess is not needed for some new Couples anymore) lol

Ironic, I’m negative for it ... and I thought I was so lucky :)
I think you're lucky. Protection against malaria would be the only positive aspect, afaik, and "perhaps" against Covid-19 as well (so far it's just an hypothesis).

Yes, Regio, I saw it in the Italian press too.

I'm surprised he says malaria is still present there, although I know it used to be in the areas around the Po, but it's certainly possible that people with long ancestry there might have higher levels of thalassemia.

Whether, if they carry it in higher numbers, it's protective, I don't know.

Interestingly enough, people who have malaria are given quinine, and hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is being tested because it seems to help some patients who have severe Covid 19. I hope they hurry up with the tests. People with autoimmune disorders like rheumatoid arthritis have been taking it for decades, and the only worrying side effect at "very" high doses is vision changes, so people are checked periodically.

The question of varying genetic susceptibility to Covid 19 is something I've been thinking about too. The common cold is a coronavirus too, after all, and some people are much more susceptible.

I was actually going to post this article.

"Yosuke Tanigawa and Manuel Rivas of Stanford University, who have also been involved in the Host Genetics Initiative, studied data from UK Biobank to look at leucocyte antigens and blood types to understand the role of genetics in Covid-19 infections. Their work, which has not been peer-reviewed, was published on preprints.org on March 24."

"Drawing on studies that found an association between more severe Covid-19 cases and individuals with lower lymphocyte – or white blood cell – counts, the two said that lymphocyte count “may play a role in susceptibility to viral infection and disease progression”.


Their study also found “significant and consistent risk reduction” for the coronavirus from people with type O blood, lending support to an earlier study by Chinese researchers
that found patients with type A blood had higher rate of infection and tended to have more severe Covid-19 symptoms, while those with type O blood had a lower risk of serious infection."
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...cs-race-uncover-who-most-susceptible-covid-19



I read that rs2975033(A) for HLA-A*02:01 could perhaps affect how sick people get from Covid-19. If it's true, and apparently it's still just an hypothesis, the allele "A" would be the key here.

I wonder if I got infected already and was cured. If it's not true, than what I had was just a mild cold, coincidently. But I do fit in some groups of risk. I'm not old, but I'm not young (I reached the first half of 40s already), man, A+ (just one bro is O+, whereas the others are A+, as my parents), my hemoglobin levels used to be close to the upper limit (so nothing close to a thalassemia), I'm rs2975033(G;G) - or rs2975033(C;C) -, so not a single A (or T)... Well, at least I've never smoked, and I don't suffer from any disease. Still... I hope I don't have a foot in the grave. :)
 
Corona virus COVID-19 genetic susceptibility report - I don't know what this means, but who have interst, see in yourDNAportal:

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"The gene for beta thalassemia is not evenly distributed among peoples. It is, for example, relatively more frequent in people of Italian and Greek origin, both of which are peoples from the Mediterranean. Because of this, thalassemia major has been called Mediterranean anemia.The name thalassemia was coined at the University of Rochester in upstate New York by the Nobel Prize-winning pathologist George Whipple and the professor of pediatrics William Bradford from the Greek thalassa for sea and -emia, meaning the blood. Thalassemia means "sea in the blood." But for the Greeks, the sea was the Mediterranean, so thalassemia also conveys the idea of the Mediterranean in the blood.
The reason that the gene for beta thalassemia is relatively common, for example, among people of Italian and Greek origin is that parts of Italy and Greece were once full of malaria. The presence of thalassemia minor (like sickle cell trait in Africa) afforded protection against malaria, and therefore, this gene thrived."

As far as Northern Italy is concerned, I would doubt it's common in mountain areas, but that's a guess. I'd have to do detailed research. Certainly, though, I think it was endemic around the Po plain.
With all the intermarriage that has gone on in larger towns, it may not be at high levels even there anymore.

I checked on the “Genomapp“ app.

The old Italian test was correct.

Happy Face means all OK.

... and I won’t pass it down the line.

The associated hypothetical protection from Covid-19 doesn’t apply to me.


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I think you're lucky. Protection against malaria would be the only positive aspect, afaik, and "perhaps" against Covid-19 as well (so far it's just an hypothesis).

I read that rs2975033(A) for HLA-A*02:01 could perhaps affect how sick people get from Covid-19. If it's true, and apparently it's still just an hypothesis, the allele "A" would be the key here.

I wonder if I got infected already and was cured. If it's not true, than what I had was just a mild cold, coincidently. But I do fit in some groups of risk. I'm not old, but I'm not young (I reached the first half of 40s already), man, A+ (just one bro is O+, whereas the others are A+, as my parents), my hemoglobin levels used to be close to the upper limit (so nothing close to a thalassemia), I'm rs2975033(G;G) - or rs2975033(C;C) -, so not a single A (or T)... Well, at least I've never smoked, and I don't suffer from any disease. Still... I hope I don't have a foot in the grave. :)

I think you can wait until you see 60 on the horizon. :)
 

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