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Yetos "Lynch Law?" Nobody is talking about hanging people, that is in my view rhetoric that is not consistent with at least what I am saying, and what others here who are Americans of Italian ancestry are saying at least from my perspective. Now, speaking for me, and only me, all I said is that I hope Italy follows the UK an exits the EU. I have given my analysis of the Strategic advantages that Italy has in an earlier post. One of them is Italy being an loyal and Strategic NATO ally to the US, hosting the 2nd Most US Military personnel in the EU at about 13,000 (trailing only Germany), an the largest US Navy presence in Europe. UK which is 3rd has about 9,000, Spain about 3,500 and Belgium where NATO HQ is about 1,500. That is a strategic advantage that Italy has that can be used if Italy does an Italian EU exit, which can be leveraged into Economic advantages given that Italy has 311 Sea Ports. Some of those ports, at strategic sites, can be upgraded to handle more shipping of goods and the US given its military presence can help with security of those ports.

Lynch law is not hanging people,
but to punish someone with summary trials and an informated court.

so my 3 Questions,

1. If Italy was not in EU, would have done better? :unsure:

2. NATO is changing, is coming to Greece, and Severna Makedonia, only half Airforce will remain to Italy, so
What this has to do if Italy is in, or outside EU? I mean, NATO will help Italy more if it is outside EU? than now inside EU :confused:
How? with coronavirus Marshal plan especially for her in the peak of the pandemia?
or will build special open hospitals to her? if so? why did not help her now? :unsure:

3. Do you think it is wise to suggest residents of Italy about that, this exact moment?
especially from the other side of the Ocean, declaring so easily EU as the 'scapegoat', the bull to sacrifice to clear the sins.
have you search if and I say If, it is a political mistake, a hidden backdoor not locked, something unpredicted etc etc?

I keep my cents for change as we say in Greece.
a) NATO right now at this moment is helping noone, Just keeps it troops outside infection, even the humanitarian project that can deploy are hold, :useless:
I cooperate and work for some moons with such projects,
b) At least Italy is a democratic state and has the right to vote and exit the Union, and reenter if wants, some others Don't. :innocent:


and a general question to those on the other side of ocean,
If USA break Italy's records, or can not hold the line,
Would you blame your Union? would you ask your state to leave?
or you keep say China the Bull of sin and Europe the scapegoat?


Coronavirus lockdown is not good for most of us all,
especially the ones who have aged parents,
soon some of us may show marks of non normal/healthy psychology
I was in Panic 3 days before, my beloved wife, which I can not stand 24 hours beside me, helped me,
The pressure we all accept is high,
 
I think you guys understand the word “lynching” with two different connotations.

The word Lynch or Lynching has a very profound and strong meaning in the United States,

it has a lighter weight in some other Countries.
 
Yetos:

I haven't heard the USA is moving that many forces to Greece. For the record, I think it would be good to move forces to Greece and get that out of Turkey as Erdogan is not someone long term that I think the USA should Trust. My point of Italy not being in the EU, if they choose, is the same thing with the UK. The US will eventually do direct Trade Deals with the UK, these Trade deals will be done based on classic Supply/Demand and reach an optimal solution for both countries, sort of like the Nash Equilibrium which won Prof. Nash the Nobel prize in Economics. Win Win for both USA and UK. Goods that are in excess Demand in UK, but supply can't meet them, USA can sell those goods, same thing in the USA. Deals on key National goods for National Security, Medicine, both countries can designate appropriate levels that must be made in each respective country. So the USA and UK will be a good pilot test so to speak to see how bilateral Trade deals can work between 2 Countries that respect the rule of law and don't use trade practices, that for example, the Chinese Do, which is nothing amounting to Free Trade.


My point being about Italy not only being in NATO, but being a country that has been a long-term loyal NATO ally and as I stated, 2nd most US Military personnel are based in Europe. France for example, the US has less than 100, in the Nordic Countries, zero. So unless you have some news in Greece that I don't have in the USA about the US moving half its forces from Italy to Greece, I have not heard that. Like I said the USA has a long history of having US Military personnel in Italy without significant anti-American Protests, something untrue about other countries. Don't you think there is reason the USA has less than 100 Military personnel in France, whereas 13,000 in Italy. Which one during say the 1980's during the Reagan/Thatcher/Soviet Era would you say was more anti-American. Most Americans will tell you France.

If Italy were not in the EU could it have done better. It is my belief that countries that can produce the essentials for basic security, food, and medicine internally are better off. When crisis like this hit, then what. The EU has in my view not worked for Italy. Italy, like Greece, bears the brunt of the Migrant crisis that are pushed for and supported by the EU bureaucrats, most of which can't get elected back in their home countries, the UN, and in particular Mr. Macron and Ms. Merkel. The EU has been used by certain countries, in my opinion, to control the European economy for the benefits of certain Corporations in those same countries. Italy is seen mostly as a strategic country to move and ship goods from its numerous ports (I know there is no 1 single port there as large as the one in Holland) but if you add them up in Italy (they have 311 Sea Ports), the are 2nd in the EU in the total value of goods that go in and out of EU Ports. So from a strictly Economic point of view, Italy's Ports are strategic to all of the raw Materials and finished goods that move in and out of the EU. So my view is how can Italy best leverage that for its Economic and in this case Health Security. What these data tell me is that the EU Brussels Bureaucrats and countries North of the Alps see Italy as being nothing other than a key Port Country for Supply Chains and a market for them to send finished goods back to. So if Italy had leaders that can leverage its strategic assets, then I think they could be better off out the EU. Look at the data, The Netherlands, Italy, UK, and Spain all take in more than 100 Million tons of goods just in their main ports. You think the UK realizes that it has important Ports and that those Ports will enable them to have a successful economy that works for the people of the UK. I think Italy can do the same.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/stati.../Maritime_transport_of_goods_-_quarterly_data


And you are correct, Italian voters will decide this if there is a Up or Down vote on EU. I think there will be a vote that Italians will get to choose.
 
I think you guys understand the word “lynching” with two different connotations.

The word Lynch or Lynching has a very profound and strong meaning in the United States,

it has a lighter weight in some other Countries.

Salento: Fair enough, I obviously took it in the connotation as we understand it here in the USA.
 
@ Trapani,

Is not the correct time now to speak such,
is Like at 10 days when USA is under nervous stress and emotional collapse
someone attacks US system, constitution etc,

and plz STOP IT,
it is not morale to them (Italians) now.

YOU JUST PROMISE THEM ANOTHER PARADISE THE TIME THEY FIGHT FOR THEIR LIVES AND MOARN THEIR DEAD. :useless: :useless: :useless:
The only you achive, is to make foundamentalists that make coronavirus battle worse,

EU agreements are fair enough to give Italy an exit if she wants,
and after the coronavirus war, Italy and Italians would have plenty of time to think and decide,
and you will plenty of space and time to express your ideas.
But now, brings more panic and nerves and stress them.
 
Countries with strong tourism will be deeply affected by this economically if it continues during summer.
 
Countries with strong tourism will be deeply affected by this economically if it continues during summer.

Indeed, Greece is not going to open boarders before end of June if all things international prove well
with possible date the end of Octomber
 
Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter because of shutdowns to combat the coronavirus, with an unprecedented 50% drop in gross domestic product.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rd-says-u-s-jobless-rate-may-soar-to-30-in-2q

The current situation is completely untenable, and will destroy the United States, and the world. They better come up with a god damn vaccine ASAP! We don't have time to wait.

Peak unemployment during the Great Depression reached a staggering 24.9% in 1933

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahh...rmine-how-much-worse-it-can-get/#396cd9ff15bd
 
COUNTRYPopulation /1000Confirmed infecteddeaths upon confirmedConfirmed infected /1000 peopledeaths /confirmed infected














San Marino33224226,78790,0982
Europe with Swiss's Statistics (No Russia)
Andora7633464,39470,0180
Luxenbourg6141950213,17590,0108


Feroe isls5215903,05770,0000
InfectedDeaths
Iceland 364102022,80220,0020
1186380,566640,50
Swiss8570148293001,73030,0202


Spain 467338011068031,71420,0849
Europe with Italy's Statistics (No Russia)
Italy 6031897689107791,61960,1103
Liechtenstein395601,43590,0000


Austria 89038788860,98710,0098
InfectedDeaths
Belgium 11516108364310,94100,0398
1110431,3475652,94
Norway 53684284250,79810,0058


Deutch 83149620955410,74680,0087


Netherlands 17425108667710,62360,0710


France 670224017426060,59940,0649
USA with Swiss's statistics
Porugal 1027759621190,58010,0200
Esthonia 132867930,51130,0044


USA32824014210624790,43290,0174
InfectedDeaths
Denmark 58232395720,41130,0301
567966,276640,50
sweden 1030337001100,35910,0297


Slovenia2100730110,34760,0151
USA with Italy's statistics
Ireland 65732121220,32270,0104
Malta 49415100,30570,0000


UK675471952212280,28900,0629
InfectedDeaths
Czech 106502817160,26450,0057
531606,4436217,99
Finland 55211240110,22460,0089


Lettonia 192034700,18070,0000


Cyprus118921460,18000,0280


Croatia 407671360,17490,0084


Lithuania 279446070,16460,0152
Montenegro6318510,13470,0118
Severna Mac 207725960,12470,0232
Turkey 8200492171310,11240,0142
China with Swiss's statistics
Greece 107681159390,10760,0336
Serbia 6964741130,10640,0175


Moldova268226320,09810,0076
InfectedDeaths
Romania 194021815430,09350,0237
2470314,1428882,22
Bosnia 351132360,09200,0186
Albania 2877212100,07370,0472
China with Italy's statistics
Slovakia 545031400,05760,0000
mainland China14276488212233040,05750,0402


Kossovo18109410,05190,0106
InfectedDeaths
Bulgaria 700034680,04940,0231
2312170,59157526,62
Poland383861862220,04850,0118
Hungary9773408130,04170,0319
Ukraine 42031475100,01130,0211
Russia 146745153480,01050,0052
Belarus 94929400,00990,0000







Average Europe -Russia685635392132243090,57190,0620





 
It is spring outside,

Paschalies are on their max (Easter flowers, Syringa Vulgaris, endemic at Balkans)

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60 Minutes Australia
@60Mins
Just two weeks ago the head of Emergency at Wuhan Central hospital went public, saying authorities had stopped her and her colleagues from warning the world. She has now disappeared, her whereabouts unknown.

First defective test kits, now defective masks.
The Spectator Index
@spectatorindex
NETHERLANDS: Country's government recalls 600,000 masks from hospitals for being defective after being bought from China

Urns in Wuhan far exceed the total deaths reported...
#Wuhan residents estimate, based on calculations of cremations and urns now being returned to families, that between 42k-46k (!!) died in city + surrounding areas in the 2.5 months of lockdown. Far more than official figure of 2535 deaths. #COVID19 http://rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-deaths-03272020182846.html



"Intensive care for coronavirus patients now limited to those 'reasonably certain' to survive, NHS London Trust concedes."


How not to get infected (advice from a Japanese veteran doctor):

1. Above all and most important: wear a mask. Reuse it for two weeks. Disinfect it with alcohol.

2. Keep your mouth shut. Breathe through your nose (infections are worse/more likely if they enter via the mouth).

3. When outside: don't touch your face. Don't ever touch your eyes. Don't even think about picking your nose. Don't put a finger in your mouth whatever you do.

4. If you have hayfever: double your efforts to clear it as it can make your nose stuffy and make you a mouth breather.

5. The sooner you take a shower after coming home the better. Best if you go straight to the shower/bath. Wash all your clothes. 6. Don't drink. Alcohol makes you lower your guard, talk loudly to people (spit flies further) and take risks. Save the alcohol to rub on doorhandles.
6. Stop smoking.

(I realize the hay fever bit might be a little Japan specific since such a large part of the population suffers from it, & the mask advice was specific for the cheapo mask and ethanol combos you can get easily in stores in Japan, your country probably has a dif. mask situation..)

Adding#1 for daily use: wash your hands thoroughly before taking off the mask. take the mask off by ONLY touching the straps behind both ears. put the mask on the plate with the outer side of mask upward, "cook" it in the microwave up to 1 min. disinfect the outer side w/ alcohol

That wouldn’t work at all for an N95 respirator.

If the mask is a respirator, absolutely *do not* use liquid to disinfect; it will destroy the effectiveness. Heat at 150F/65C for at least 3 minutes."

I wonder if a UV lamp or wand would work?
 
This morning, I opened up my web browser, and I usually get notification from livescience. Today, I saw they are still peddling the 2.2 million deaths, projection. When I click on the article, it briefly mentions one model, that suggests that would be the number if no measures were implemented. A scenario that is obviously not taking place. Yet it get's the headline in the notification, despite the new projection by Dr. Fauci, which is 100,000 to 200,000.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates-united-states.html

This is alarmist garbage plain and simple, for click-bait. I've lost a lot of respect for that website.
 
This morning, I open up my web browser, and I usually get notification from livescience. Today, I saw they are still peddling the 2.2 million deaths, projection. When I click on the article, it briefly mentions one model, that suggests that would be the number if no measures were implemented. A scenario that is obviously not taking place. Yet it get's the headline in the notification, despite the new project by Dr. Fauci, which is 100,000 to 200,000.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates-united-states.html

This is alarmist garbage plain and simple, for click-bait. I've lost a lot of respect for that website.

It reads more like it’s an estimation for worst-case scenario, and note they use “could die” not “will”. Maybe it’s a bit alarmist, but if it’s what is needed to get people to be responsible and prevent hospital overload by staying home then so be it.
 
It reads more like it’s an estimation for worst-case scenario, and note they use “could die” not “will”. Maybe it’s a bit alarmist, but if it’s what is needed to get people to be responsible and prevent hospital overload by staying home then so be it.

I wish I took a snapshot of the notification, because the headline certainly didn't read like that. It was different from the one at the top of this article.
 
Well, for me it's coming closer. Two women at my son's company have tested positive, and both their husbands are in the hospital and one is on a ventilator. He's only 40.

I don't know what other precautions we can take, other than what we're already doing.
 
I wish I took a snapshot of the notification, because the headline certainly didn't read like that. It was different from the one at the top of this article.

Eh, there are a lot of headlines lately that have been really quick to grab attention which are then edited. I don’t know any other reasoning behind that then either just getting more clicks.
 
It is spring outside,

Paschalies are on their max (Easter flowers, Syringa Vulgaris, endemic at Balkans)

000256-06.jpg

Sooo nice! Everything is still bare in Vilnius. The Paschalies will only bloom at the end of May in Lithuania.
It was still snowing, because of arctic wind with freezing temperatures during the night today.

This is how it looks
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Today it is snowing in half the country and in the other it is raining. I don't think I'm going out today. I feel like staying home.
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Let's say that you were the chief executive of a country and you had the hindsight from the lessons learned. What would you do? Here is what I would do:
0. Take the shit seriously. Hopefully you already had a plan, otherwise you're SOL.
1. Immediately ask the legislative branch for a large outlay of emergency money
2. Seal the borders immediately.
3. Construct isolation camps in tents or conscripted buildings/indoor stadiums
4. Anybody that came from suspected areas in the last 14 days will be put in these isolation camps
5. People that show heavy symptoms in one camp, light in another, asymptomatic in another
6. Test the hell of the asymptomatic ones until they either develop symptoms or can be cleared
7. If any have slipped in the general population identify them, contact trace them and put the in these isolation camps
8. Of course stockpile all necessary supplies beforehand but be ready to conscript industry to manufacture more

I think the biggest mistake that was made was thinking that isolating at home was enough. You bring the virus from the outside and you pretty much infect the whole household.
 

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