Health New Coronavirus in China

maybe we do all have stress,
but after 'touch', second is distance,
and the most annoying is when they pass beside you,
with no masks and no gloves,

I went to street shop for 'stupid things to buy' and nobody respect distance and rest,
some use money, coins and papper without gloves.
I went again 2 days after wearing my half-face filter mask, sea glasses!!! of my daughters, and my plastic 'suit' I use at orchande
and all were afraid of me, and keep distance,

no matter most pharmacies I use at orcande are biological, I am afraid of concentrations,
and I have 2 times to face chemicals per year,
the daily exercise for all elders from Meditterenean,
a small piece land outside town,

I completely agree with you. Until people start dropping dead around them, some people just will NOT get it.

I was listening to music and looking out my front window. Within the space of forty minutes or so, I saw at least three groups of adult women of three or four or so power walking together; no masks, barely three feet apart.

I also saw at least five groups of teenagers riding bikes together, very close, stopping to chat, also very close. That didn't surprise me. That you can't control a twenty something year old is one thing, but these people can't even control twelve or thirteen year olds.

The worst was a group of three sets of parents with their little children on tricycles, who stopped to chat with each other; again, no masks, barely three feet apart. If it's in one of those adults, the others can be directly infected. Even if not, if one child has it and gives it to the children of the other two parents, everybody has it. What if an elderly person lives with them? I just listened to Cuomo talking about how concerned they are about Long Island and the skyrocketing cases.

I've always had the reputation in my private life as the "nice" mommy and neighbor, the "sweet" one in comparison to my friends Ruth and Janice. I had enough of having to be tough at work. Well, enough is enough. I went onto the front porch and yelled like someone on a balcony in Napoli that they should have their heads examined and were a disgrace. I told them to go home and educate themselves about the virus and stop putting themselves and their children at risk.

They had the good grace to just leave or I swear to God I don't know what I would have said. It's as if they had forgotten. You're not allowed to forget at times like these.

It just infuriates me; this isn't some group of homeless, psychotic people. These are supposedly intelligent, educated professionals. Are their brains on holiday????
 
the worst thing is at Markets,
you know when they choose the fruits,

I bought oranges, and I wash them with hot water and soap,
I bought tomatoes, and sunk them at alcool for 5 min,
my salad smell like tsipoyro, or vodka,
I have a bowl with 1,5 lt alcool, covered, at refrigator, for sterilize fruits groceries, etc

the photo is before corona, but the habbit stills continues, even with gloves.
touch 2, to take 3rd.

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laiki.jpg




Lockdown make us violent,
bombing from news,
closed at home for days,
Fear of next beside us,
etc,
make us anti-social, by time,
 
well most measures are MUST,
but some are funny,
Like the late 2 laws,
1. swimming is forbiden at sea, everywhere here,
2. amateur fishing from shores also forbiten

On its face it is stupid but they don't want people to use this to socialize.
 
the worst thing is at Markets,
you know when they choose the fruits,

I bought oranges, and I wash them with hot water and soap,
I bought tomatoes, and sunk them at alcool for 5 min,
my salad smell like tsipoyro, or vodka,
I have a bowl with 1,5 lt alcool, covered, at refrigator, for sterilize fruits groceries, etc

the photo is before corona, but the habbit stills continues, even with gloves.
touch 2, to take 3rd.

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laiki.jpg




Lockdown make us violent,
bombing from news,
closed at home for days,
Fear of next beside us,
etc,
make us anti-social, by time,
The markets with all the fruit and the tomatoes just out for everybody to squeeze and feel is one of my pet peeves even before Covid-19. Bag of grapes can be opened up and people sample the grapes. I swear some of the old people would sample 10-15 bags contaminating all of them. WTF!?
 
For years I've listened to tourists and expats complain because in most markets in Italy you aren't allowed to pick the fruits and vegetables yourselves; the vendor does it.

Well, at least then you'd have only the vendor's hands to worry about.

Full disclosure; when we first got here my mom was thrilled she could test the fruits for ripeness herself. Also, the vendor couldn't cheat you. She was manic about washing it all when she got home, but still....
 
Great...just great...now I suppose the questions are: what percent develop serious symptoms, and to what extent is this data any more reliable than the original data coming out of China?

@WHO
epidemiologist Maria Van Kerkhove said that data out of China suggests that 75 percent of novel coronavirus patients originally listed as asymptomatic go on to develop symptoms.


 
"In Iceland: Fifty per cent of those that test positive in our screenings of the general population are symptom-free at the time. Many of them get symptoms later.”

"Note that the multi-chromosomal nature of influenza makes it much more likely to recombine into a new and dangerous form than the single-chromosome betacoronaviridae like SARS2. However, there are thousands of variants potentially in animal reservoirs. Wildlife trade is suicidal."



 
Ok
now the bad or good news,

The arangements, the mathetical agrrements etc
Are the obvious,
same treaty,
simmilar age gender etc,
no new treatment / cure
confirmation is under same random conditions, and not chosen
etc
etc



lets see
1. Recovery has a delay of more than 20 days
a death for example can be from day 5 to day ... , but a confirmed recovery should be after 21-24 Days
2. true Mortality and true Recovery rate when added must result 1 M+R= 1 (100%)
it can bee seen at mainland China

Now
Active% column (7 column) is how wrong both current Mortality and current Recovery are,
the bigger % the more wrong,
we can make some estimations, about Deaths, with a statistical mistake at second class numbers, when bellow 68,1%, yet the deviation is ...

Current Mortality is present mortality,

so for example in Spain we have M+R=36.59% to predict the rest 63.41% (coloumn Active)
If NO NEW cases enter, we are certain mortality M will have a grow, but much less than R, since Recovery has a delay.

Condidering the above, each can make his own estimation, on present Data bellow
The problem to have more accurate is the time publishing, the correct reports, etc , either M either R,
usually there is also a secondary delay to declare Recovery cases, for known reasons



COUNTRYPopulation /1000Confirmed infecteddeaths upon confirmedrecoverActive %Confirmed infected /1000 peopleCurrent mortalityRecover rateEstimated mortality up limEstimated mortality low limestimated deaths *
























1San Marino33259322777,227,84850,12360,1042


2Andora76466172191,856,13160,03650,0451


3Luxenbourg61427293150080,544,44460,01140,1832


4Iceland 3641417439671,773,89290,00280,2795


5Feroe isls5218109348,623,48080,00000,5138


6Spain 46733126168119473421963,412,69980,09470,2712


7Swiss857020505666641565,472,39260,03250,3129


8Italy 60318124632153622099670,832,06620,12330,1685


9Liechtenstein39771098,701,97440,01300,0000


10Belgium 11516184311283324775,421,60050,06960,1762


11France 670228995375601543874,431,34210,08400,1716


12Austria 890311781186250777,141,32330,01580,2128


13EU4495075341514089610644872,421,18830,07660,1993


14Deutch 831499609214442640071,021,15570,01500,2747


15Norway 53685550623298,311,03390,01120,0058


16Porugal 10277105242667596,761,02400,02530,0071


17Netherlands 1742516627165125088,570,95420,09930,0150


18USA32824031207684991499792,470,95080,02720,0481


19Esthonia 13281039135993,070,78240,01250,0568


20Ireland 657346041372596,480,70040,02980,0054


21Denmark 58234077161128364,580,70020,03950,3147


22sweden 10303655337320591,180,63600,05690,0313


23UK6754741903431313589,390,62040,10290,0032


24Slovenia2100977227989,660,46520,02250,0809


25Malta 4942130299,060,43120,00000,0094


26Czech 106504472597896,940,41990,01320,0174


27Cyprus118942693390,140,35830,02110,0775


28Finland 552118822530082,730,34090,01330,1594


29Montenegro6312012198,510,31850,01000,0050


30Turkey 820042393450178694,620,29190,02090,0328


31Moldova2682752122994,550,28040,01600,0386


32Croatia 407611261211988,370,27630,01070,1057


33Lithuania 279477111797,670,27590,01430,0091


34Lettonia 19205091199,610,26510,00200,0020


35Serbia 6964162444097,290,23320,02710,0000


36Severna Mac 2077483172092,340,23250,03520,0414


37Romania 19402361314632986,850,18620,04040,0911


38Bosnia 3511624213091,830,17770,03370,0481


39Greece 107681673687891,270,15540,04060,0466


40Albania 2877333209964,260,11570,06010,2973


41Poland3838636277911694,620,09450,02180,0320


42Slovakia 545047111097,660,08640,00210,0212


43Kossovo181013511687,410,07460,00740,1185


44Bulgaria 7000503173489,860,07190,03380,0676


45Hungary9773678325886,730,06940,04720,0855


46mainland China1427648825743333771602,520,05780,04040,9344


47Belarus 949244055386,820,04640,01140,1205


48Russia 14674547314333392,050,03220,00910,0704


49Ukraine 420311225322595,350,02910,02610,0204


 
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that is the easy part - lock them all up
how are you going to release them once the worst is over
any ideas?

According to estimates, the peak of infections in Lithuania will be in just a week, so if it is true, the authorities will start to open up a little bit in May (outside coffee places will be opened). Again, this all will depend on a real infections curve.

Overall, it is not forbidden to go outside as much as one wants, especially for sports, inasmuch as it is not in crowded places (which are plenty). My average daily steps for last week were 12.8 km for instance, so this is more than usual.


This is a photo of summer time Vilnius centre - but it is equally empty as you can see. Big cities, connections, economies of scale are great for business and culture, but being a bit less connected and smaller in scale is good in times like these.
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the worst thing is at Markets,
you know when they choose the fruits,

I bought oranges, and I wash them with hot water and soap,
I bought tomatoes, and sunk them at alcool for 5 min,
my salad smell like tsipoyro, or vodka,
I have a bowl with 1,5 lt alcool, covered, at refrigator, for sterilize fruits groceries, etc

the photo is before corona, but the habbit stills continues, even with gloves.
touch 2, to take 3rd.

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laiki.jpg




Lockdown make us violent,
bombing from news,
closed at home for days,
Fear of next beside us,
etc,
make us anti-social, by time,

I'd like to have a salad with you.
No need to drink an apetizer before.
 
Great...just great...now I suppose the questions are: what percent develop serious symptoms, and to what extent is this data any more reliable than the original data coming out of China?

@WHO
epidemiologist Maria Van Kerkhove said that data out of China suggests that 75 percent of novel coronavirus patients originally listed as asymptomatic go on to develop symptoms.



Well, I have this special hissing sound coming out of my chest if I want to exhale fully. I remember it from my childhood when I used to have bronchitis so very often. Otherwise, I feel fully healthy (90% of the time), I never had any fever, just a bit of cough and itchy throat for some moments some three weeks ago. Could it mean I am a carrier of the virus, or this is just my imagination? I am not visiting anyone, especially my aunt which is in the risk group, but she has been having similar mild symptoms anyway, too (not fever though). My very good friend, her daughter and her mother who lives in other town - they also had similar symptoms. Does that mean we are all carriers?
 
Indeed, it does make one wonder, especially as the Wuhan bioweapons lab is just hundreds of yards from the Wuhan "wet" market, as I heard today.

In the early days there were posts from within Wuhan which said low level employees at the lab would sell lab animals to the wet market once the scientists were through with them. Then the reports stopped.

I have no way of knowing whether it was a scurrilous rumor or not.

What I do know is that some human beings are capable of any stupidity or cupidity, so no one should be surprised if it turns out to be true.

I think we should be careful with suspicion. Evidence is needed here. You don't get that, especially in a country like China this is mission impossible.

Conversely, a corona virus as a bioweapon is, despite all the deaths we already regret, the least likely option. Because on average, Ebola and all the other terrible virus variants are many times more deadly.

So there is no point in speculating, it's just stirring up the matter .....
 
According to estimates, the peak of infections in Lithuania will be in just a week, so if it is true, the authorities will start to open up a little bit in May (outside coffee places will be opened). Again, this all will depend on a real infections curve.

Overall, it is not forbidden to go outside as much as one wants, especially for sports, inasmuch as it is not in crowded places (which are plenty). My average daily steps for last week were 12.8 km for instance, so this is more than usual.


This is a photo of summer time Vilnius centre - but it is equally empty as you can see. Big cities, connections, economies of scale are great for business and culture, but being a bit less connected and smaller in scale is good in times like these.
4523-1_5b990520632c3.jpg

it seems more or less the same rules apply in Belgium as in Lithuania
execept Belgium is much more dense populated
so all parks are closed here, otherwise they would become overcrowded
but almost every day, I go out cycling, alone

as for the peak, Italy peaked on 21 march, but still everyone is confined in their homes
there seems to be no rapid decline, for the moment, 2 weeks later it looks more like a steady state
I hope it will decline soon
but still some measures will remain in place to prevent the virus from re-igniting
I wonder how they will handle that
 
it seems more or less the same rules apply in Belgium as in Lithuania
execept Belgium is much more dense populated
so all parks are closed here, otherwise they would become overcrowded
but almost every day, I go out cycling, alone

as for the peak, Italy peaked on 21 march, but still everyone is confined in their homes
there seems to be no rapid decline, for the moment, 2 weeks later it looks more like a steady state
I hope it will decline soon
but still some measures will remain in place to prevent the virus from re-igniting
I wonder how they will handle that

Lithuania started its lockdown with only 7 infections, so the curve will be much more flatter here. According to estimates we will peak in Lithuania with a little over 1000 registered infections nationally. But again, number of people who are asymptomatic carriers may be factor that estimates are not taking into consideration. And then if social life is opened up too soon a new wave of infections may start. So let's go back to this question in a month or two ;)
 

what is the certification of coronavir antibodies?
and where can be usefull?

a lot of discussion here about that,Does anyone know ?
 

what is the certification of coronavir antibodies?
and where can be usefull?

a lot of discussion here about that,Does anyone know ?

By no means this is a serum! But a mixture of Elderberry and Echinacea has a good potential to prevent you against the coronavirus.

It's of course no miracle and we have to stay sceptic, but scientific research is promising in this respect.

I.Elderberry against corona:

These results demonstrate that S. nigra extract can inhibit IBV at an early point in infection, probably by rendering the virus non-infectious. They also suggest that future studies using S. nigra extract to treat or prevent IBV or other coronaviruses are warranted.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3899428/pdf/12917_2013_Article_849.pdf

II. Echina against corona:

These results suggest that Echinacea purpurea preparations, such as Echinaforce, could be effective as prophylactic treatment for all CoVs, including newly occurring strains, such as SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-15282/v2

Regarding the last research I'm somewhat more skeptical because it's partly a company who has an interest that is participating, on the other hand it's a very respected Swiss institute that is participating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiez_Laboratory

For me reasons enough to give it the benefit of the doubt!!!
 
Lithuania started its lockdown with only 7 infections, so the curve will be much more flatter here. According to estimates we will peak in Lithuania with a little over 1000 registered infections nationally. But again, number of people who are asymptomatic carriers may be factor that estimates are not taking into consideration. And then if social life is opened up too soon a new wave of infections may start. So let's go back to this question in a month or two ;)
here in Belgium many were infected on holiday in Italy in week 9
when they came back week 10 many were infected
lockdown started 14 march, end of week 11, 3 days after the whole of Italy went in lockdown
Belgium is number 3 in deaths/million, after Italy and Spain
today is the first day more people left the hospital than new arrivals
only yesterday I learned for the first time about some people I know who have Corona
I have no knowledge of people I know that died from Corona yet
sometimes I think the risk of dying from boredom is higher than dying from the virus
 
By no means this is a serum! But a mixture of Elderberry and Echinacea has a good potential to prevent you against the coronavirus.

It's of course no miracle and we have to stay sceptic, but scientific research is promising in this respect.

I.Elderberry against corona:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3899428/pdf/12917_2013_Article_849.pdf

II. Echina against corona:



https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-15282/v2

Regarding the last research I'm somewhat more skeptical because it's partly a company who has an interest that is participating, on the other hand it's a very respected Swiss institute that is participating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiez_Laboratory

For me reasons enough to give it the benefit of the doubt!!!

there is a discussion here, to pass all population under check,
until Octomber, when they plan to open boarders, could this be done?

Most afraid that they will be forced to be infected,
if that is a primary for a job, specially at jobs like transportations, international or public, (tracks, busses, ships, airplanes)
and secondary at social and working gathering places, like cantines, cafe etc
 

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