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    Recruitment and identity in the Roman Army



    If this link doesn't work, just search for it at academia.edu and download the pdf.

    https://www.academia.edu/36999954/Re...ard=view-paper


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    If this link doesn't work, just search for it at academia.edu and download the pdf.

    https://www.academia.edu/36999954/Re...ard=view-paper
    The Romans were very organized it seems.

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    Yes. You can check here for example the Bessi (Natione Bessus) inscriptions of their service in Roman empire:

    They to have been stationed all over europe. Their cohorts show up in inscriptions in Rome, Iberia, Germany, British isles etc. And this is just one tribe:


    https://edh-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.d...suche?qs=bessu
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    I'm sure you guys are aware of this, but I don't know if you've seen the paper:
    https://www.academia.edu/39957675/Th...n_Studies_2019


    Our Balkan members might be interested in these:
    https://www.academia.edu/1489740/The...under_Augustus

    https://www.academia.edu/403816/THE_...A_UNDER_TRAJAN

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    Polibio: Total Regular and Reserve - 1st Period

    Latins, Samnites, Japigi and Messapi, Lucani, Marsi, ...

    ... rounded up:
    Infantry 700.000
    Cavalry 70.000

    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post


    Roman Troop Statistic in the 1st Period.

    Roman Troops Statistics + Reserves in the 1st Period and where the Soldiers came from:
    (I translated this into English from old fashioned Italian, ...)

    Roman Statistic

    In Rome, a Corp of 20.000 Infantry and 1.500 Cavalry, sorted from Roman Citizens, and furthermore 30.000 foot soldiers, and 2.000 Cavalryman taken from the allies were kept ready.

    The list of population and of recruitment provides:

    Among the Latins, 80.000 Infantry, and 5.000 horses;

    Within the Samnites 70.000 Infantry and 7.000 horses;

    Within the Japigi and the Messapi, 50.000 men on foot and 16.000 Cavalry;

    Within the Lucani 30.000 Infantry and 3.000 Cavalry;

    Within the Marsi, the Marrucini, the Frentani, and the Vestini, 20.000 Infantry and 4.000 Cavalry.

    Furthermore, The Romans had 2 Legions each of 4.200 Infantrymen and 200 Cavalry in Sicily and in Taranto.

    Finally, listed as able for war in the population of Rome and the countryside, 250.000 men on foot and 23.000 Cavalry.

    Total of the Military Forces available to the Romans:
    Infantry 699.200
    Cavalry 69.100

    Polibio rounded up the number:
    Infantry 700.000
    Cavalry 70.000
    ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Polibio: Total Regular and Reserve - 1st Period

    Latins, Samnites, Japigi and Messapi, Lucani, Marsi, ...

    ... rounded up:
    Infantry 700.000
    Cavalry 70.000
    About what date is this, Salento?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    About what date is this, Salento?
    Right before the Second Punic War (about 218 BC) (about 529 Roman years)

    https://books.google.com/books?id=wU...0tondo&f=false

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Right before the Second Punic War (about 218 BC) (about 529 Roman years)

    https://books.google.com/books?id=wU...0tondo&f=false
    Well, there you go. Long after the date of R850, and after the date of R437 as well.

    So, Republican Roman armies already were manned during the Punic Wars at least partly by people genetically very much like you and Jovialis and my husband.

    He always did have a fondness for Cato and his shouting of "Carthage Must Be Destroyed" even when debating building a new aqueduct. Maybe a memory in the blood. :)

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    Salento:

    Well done, so the Roman Army had legions in Sicily at that time. Does that paper have any statistics on the Naval forces of Rome. While they did not have the reputation of the Roman Infantry and Calvary, they were still pretty good (at least it seemed so in the epic film Ben-Hur). My understanding is that the Ports in Marsala, Trapani became HQ for Rome's Southern Mediterranean Fleet.

    Thanks again for that information.

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    ... By 256 BC, Rome had built a navy of 330 ships ...
    ... operations in Sicily had to be supported by a fleet, and the ships available by Rome's allies were insufficient ...

    ... in 261 BC, the Roman Senate set out to construct a fleet of 100 quinqueremes and 20 triremes ...

    According to Polybius, the Romans seized a shipwrecked Carthaginian quinquereme, and used it as a blueprint for their own ships ...


    https://carolashby.com/the-roman-navy/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_navy

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    Salento: Ok, I will take a look at those sources. So I was in Trapani last Summer and went to Marsala and got a local book and one here in the States on the history of the region (Trapani) since my Paternal Great Grandfather and Grandmother came from regione di Trapani. Marsala in that book was talked about as being a port for Roman ships in the West Mediterranean Fleet. I read on the site about Marsala on wiki, in the 2nd Punic War at least 20 Ships were based in what the Romans called Lilybaeum defeated a force of 50 Carthaginian ships. I just can't find out how many Romans served on a ship. In addition to the Roman Infantry and Calvary presence in Sicily, there was a Naval one as well. 20 of 330 Roman ships would be 6% of the fleet based in Trapani.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... By 256 BC, Rome had built a navy of 330 ships ...
    ... operations in Sicily had to be supported by a fleet, and the ships available by Rome's allies were insufficient ...

    ... in 261 BC, the Roman Senate set out to construct a fleet of 100 quinqueremes and 20 triremes ...

    According to Polybius, the Romans seized a shipwrecked Carthaginian quinquereme, and used it as a blueprint for their own ships ...


    https://carolashby.com/the-roman-navy/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_navy
    Thanks

    I always thought that Roman ships where designed after the Liburnian fleet ...........even though they ( Liburnians ) had smaller, faster and shallower draft ships
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