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we are buying New Cars.

as a reminder: 63 million Americans voted for Trump (3Xs the Holland population).

... and the USA is experiencing an Economic Boom.

Trump Economy is the Envy of the World.

imo people like money more than BS, and Trump is going to win again in a landslide.
 
we are buying New Cars.

as a reminder: 63 million Americans voted for Trump (3Xs the Holland population).

... and the USA is experiencing an Economic Boom.

Trump Economy is the Envy of the World.

Amen from the Trump supporter's home.

Even I know that in absolute figures Clinton got more votes (2.87 million more) ;)

And I know that the Mohammed Ali principle 'I'm the...' is nowadays popular again: hear hear!

What a world....
 
The rules:

... The election of the president and the vice president of the United States is an indirect election in which citizens of the United States who are registered to vote in one of the fifty U.S. states or in Washington, D.C., cast ballots not directly for those offices, but instead for members of the Electoral College ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
 
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The rules:

... The election of the president and the vice president of the United States is an indirect election in which citizens of the United States who are registered to vote in one of the fifty U.S. states or in Washington, D.C., cast ballots not directly for those offices, but instead for members of the Electoral College ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election

hahah thanks I know them...in my country the party with the most votes wins....bust obviously not in the US ;) the greatest demorcacy in the world....without doubt;)
 
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hahah thanks I know them...in my country the party with the most votes wins....bust obviously not in the US ;) the greatest demorcacy in the world....without doubt;)

the Map:
red: MAGA Country
blue: Dems

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The point is to equalize the importance of the states regardless of the population or you could end up like Germany who makes the rules for everyone else in the EU!

I thought democracy had something to do with one man one vote and all those votes are equal.....

Germany has also partly a federal system just like you have but the national elections are one man one vote.

I know the background of it ; the founding fathers aimed with this system to temper the popular vote. But real Trumpist would be angered by such a system that is aimed to temper populism Salento.

But I guess the founding fathers all in heaven are looking down now and are nodding with their wise heads.....


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besides a referendum style vote, there are no pure democracies.

The United States is a representative democracy.
 
The difference is that I don't see any respect of you that there is a social democratic tradition in large parts of the world that is to the core democratic. You may dislike the social democratic politics (as I dislike the Trump one), no problem, but seeing social democrats as 'despotic' is simple false.

And by the way as if the persons of the Trump entourage are so pure democratic in their way of thinking.

And beside the politics there is also the person. I always go for the test from which politicians I would buy a second hand car.

And in the case of Trump or Sanders I would in the second hand car test go definitely for Sanders. More thrust worth. In the case of Trump you get much hollow words. And when your care is after a week predictable with some problems and you complain than you get a big mound and I will sue you....(in earlier days with his consiglieri Roy Cohn). That's the core of Trump.

No extravaganza and me myself and I in the white House with Sanders.....

I know Sanders would probably make no chance too much 'niche' in the US. But from European perspective it will be a great thing if that 'unguided projectile' in the White House would disappear.

But i guess it will not take look long and mister Bloomberg comes into the scene, he has personal reserves that even Trump can't crush.....(30 million spot during the super bowl etc). We will see....

Where did I ever say that Democratic Socialists are "all" totalitarians in disguise? What I said is that Bernie Sanders' campaign harbors a lot of totalitarians. What I also said is that the extreme left in this country has a history of proposing gulags for those who disagree with them.

If someone working for Trump was guilty of saying things like that I would be equally outraged, and I would expect the person and anyone spouting the same ideology to be fired immediately. Of course, that hasn't happened with the Sanders team, and, in fact, the leftist toadies in the media barely mentioned it.

What I also implied and believe is that Socialism is a terrible system. It's my right to believe that and to vote accordingly.

The person on this thread who started throwing insults and hurling disdain at another country and other people's beliefs is you, which is typical of leftists everywhere. When the facts prove uncomfortable, just ignore them and go off on a tangent and insult the other person's beliefs and his country's system.

You really can't tell the difference between the Electoral College and someone wanting to send all conservatives to re-education camps?

When Trump was first elected people on this board were screaming about how Trump was going to lead the U.S. into a recession and start WWIII. This is the reality:

"Gallup: 59% of Americans say they are better off financially than they were a year ago, the highest level in the history of Gallup polling. Gallup has never recorded this level in over 40 years - even the dot com boom was 58%."

Paul Krugman, who's never been right about anything, had to admit he was wrong to predict a recession with Trump's policies.

I could go down a whole list of his accomplishments, but there's no point; you would never admit them. He has done better than I ever thought he would do. Does that mean I like him as a man? No, it doesn't and I don't, and he's been in my face for decades. I think he acts like a jerk half the time, but he's a jerk who has gotten things done of which I approve, and at least he's not a Socialist with "Jacobites", to use your term, working for him.

For goodness sakes', you're even dogmatic, and authoritarian and insulting about genomics.

You're not presenting a very positive image of leftists; just the same old intolerance and invective and refusal to deal with facts and instead rely on personal and national insults.

So, in the future consider yourself ignored.
 
For a level playing field, a Constituency (electoral college) is sometimes better than a Popular Vote.

If a simple majority could be sufficient to elect a hypothetical EU President, It is likely that only candidates from the highest populated Countries will be elected.

The minority Countries will always be underrepresented.

Candidates will only campaign in the most populated Countries, ‘cause the other Countries are not important to them.

And they will do anything to keep “Their” people happy at the expense of the others.
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Where did I ever say that Democratic Socialists are "all" totalitarians in disguise? What I said is that Bernie Sanders' campaign harbors a lot of totalitarians. What I also said is that the extreme left in this country has a history of proposing gulags for those who disagree with them.

If someone working for Trump was guilty of saying things like that I would be equally outraged, and I would expect the person and anyone spouting the same ideology to be fired immediately. Of course, that hasn't happened with the Sanders team, and, in fact, the leftist toadies in the media barely mentioned it.

What I also implied and believe is that Socialism is a terrible system. It's my right to believe that and to vote accordingly.

The person on this thread who started throwing insults and hurling disdain at another country and other people's beliefs is you, which is typical of leftists everywhere. When the facts prove uncomfortable, just ignore them and go off on a tangent and insult the other person's beliefs and his country's system.

You really can't tell the difference between the Electoral College and someone wanting to send all conservatives to re-education camps?

When Trump was first elected people on this board were screaming about how Trump was going to lead the U.S. into a recession and start WWIII. This is the reality:

"Gallup: 59% of Americans say they are better off financially than they were a year ago, the highest level in the history of Gallup polling. Gallup has never recorded this level in over 40 years - even the dot com boom was 58%."

Paul Krugman, who's never been right about anything, had to admit he was wrong to predict a recession with Trump's policies.

I could go down a whole list of his accomplishments, but there's no point; you would never admit them. He has done better than I ever thought he would do. Does that mean I like him as a man? No, it doesn't and I don't, and he's been in my face for decades. I think he acts like a jerk half the time, but he's a jerk who has gotten things done of which I approve, and at least he's not a Socialist with "Jacobites", to use your term, working for him.

For goodness sakes', you're even dogmatic, and authoritarian and insulting about genomics.

You're not presenting a very positive image of leftists; just the same old intolerance and invective and refusal to deal with facts and instead rely on personal and national insults.

So, in the future consider yourself ignored.

Of course I can see that US seems to have a prosperous economy right now. No doubt. And when the Democrats are continuing the way they now do....simple end of story.

And when there are totalitarian tendencies left or right no doubt this is wrong. But I have the impression that you underestimate the difference; the extreme right in your country seems to me incredibly stronger than the extreme left.

My prediction (for what it's worth) is the decline of the US will continue. Why? Because the mindset is only short term and economic based ('what's in it for me'). The public/ common good is totally erosive!

Your country is spending more on prisons than on education for the children! And why? Partly because since the eighties the government and public spending is the problem. Privat wealth is considered ok. Public spending not ok. So public services as school are considered less important. Besides that we see that prison are runned like a business so they have a lobby for their own sake too....totally perverse IMO.

The Americans have lost the sense for the public good.....Sanders could correct that, but I'm afraid he is not going to make it.

Ok in the long run who can afford privat schools, gated communities etc will prevail but the nation as a whole? In a knowledge society.....I have my doubts.

But I stay interested and never ignored, doesn't suit me! ;)
 
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For a level playing field, a Constituency (electoral college) is sometimes better than a Popular Vote.

If a simple majority could be sufficient to elect a hypothetical EU President, It is likely that only candidates from the highest populated Countries will be elected.

The minority Countries will always be underrepresented.

Candidates will only campaign in the most populated Countries, ‘cause the other Countries are not important to them.

And they will do anything to keep “Their” people happy at the expense of the others.
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The more I ponder the work of the "Founders", the more impressed I am with their foresight and wisdom. The compromises which they hammered out are the reason that this democratic republic has lasted for so long.

Two of the best things they did, imo, were the establishment of the Electoral College and the Senate, the latter with its two votes per state, no matter the population. As just one small advantage, it forces candidates to consider the effects of their policies on all segments of the country geographically and in terms of population. Protection of the minority view is important.

To return to the topic of the thread, protection of minority "blocks" should never mean that they have preferential treatment before the law. The law is pictured "blind" for a reason.

Have there been cases in the past where the law was stacked against minorities? Of course there were, and it's a disgrace. It's no excuse to now ignore illegality, however.

More broadly, what the left in this country doesn't understand is that equality means equality of opportunity, not equality of result.
 
The more I ponder the work of the "Founders", the more impressed I am with their foresight and wisdom.

Yes, yes, yes.

The Founders studied the history of democracy (I suspect especially that of Athens) and knew that its great weakness was the tendency to mob rule. The myriad of checks and balances they created were meant to slow things down and to make it difficult to make dramatic change (like amending the Constitution or impeaching a President). It's worked pretty well so far and I don't think that current affairs are worse now than they have been many times in the past. We work through these things and soldier on.

As to any decline, when I was younger I was told the Soviet Union was going to bury us, then it was Japan, then the EU, and now China. Who knows, nothing lasts forever, but I wouldn't bet against the US.
 
Yes, yes, yes.

The Founders studied the history of democracy (I suspect especially that of Athens) and knew that its great weakness was the tendency to mob rule. The myriad of checks and balances they created were meant to slow things down and to make it difficult to make dramatic change (like amending the Constitution or impeaching a President). It's worked pretty well so far and I don't think that current affairs are worse now than they have been many times in the past. We work through these things and soldier on.

As to any decline, when I was younger I was told the Soviet Union was going to bury us, then it was Japan, then the EU, and now China. Who knows, nothing lasts forever, but I wouldn't bet against the US.


They studied the acte van verlathinghe, the independence decllaration of the Dutch republic, see this visit of Obama a couple of years ago:

https://nos.nl/video/627324-rutte-laat-obama-acte-van-verlatinghe-zien.html

And besides that the Dutch financed the young US republic, of course they teached Adams also a lesson in republicanism (Dutch are merchants and pastors in 1 ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1cgBI5rdI
 
The Founders studied and understood everything they could; they had a big task and took it seriously. The point was, they weren't stupid. They created the current US system out of an abundance of knowledge about past failures and successes, a system that has lasted 250 years, so far. I don't know how much longer it will last, but we've had a pretty good run so far . . .

And, yes, we do appreciate the aid the French and the Dutch provided (though if you read Adams you'll know he became pretty frustrated at one point, at least). The countries that aided us made our revolution possible. I don't know if this consoles you or makes you happy, but your country's action made the current America possible. Thank you.
 
For a level playing field, a Constituency (electoral college) is sometimes better than a Popular Vote.

If a simple majority could be sufficient to elect a hypothetical EU President, It is likely that only candidates from the highest populated Countries will be elected.

The minority Countries will always be underrepresented.

Candidates will only campaign in the most populated Countries, ‘cause the other Countries are not important to them.

And they will do anything to keep “Their” people happy at the expense of the others.
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I think you make an excellent point with this European example. This was the way America saw itself in 1783; a confederation of free states in which the smallest population states saw themselves as fully equal to their more populous neighbors.
 
The Founders studied and understood everything they could; they had a big task and took it seriously. The point was, they weren't stupid. They created the current US system out of an abundance of knowledge about past failures and successes, a system that has lasted 250 years, so far. I don't know how much longer it will last, but we've had a pretty good run so far . . .

And, yes, we do appreciate the aid the French and the Dutch provided (though if you read Adams you'll know he became pretty frustrated at one point, at least). The countries that aided us made our revolution possible. I don't know if this consoles you or makes you happy, but your country's action made the current America possible. Thank you.

No thanks! Made no contribution ;) Just nice to see that at that time the founding fathers made a good job and took inspiration from elsewhere!!!
 
Yes, because in these cultures, if a woman/female doesn't dress modestly, I imagine in head to toe garment, she is the low hanging fruit that their religion will grant them access to. It doesn't matter if a man has chastity, just the female. However, here in the west, we need to keep pretending this is acceptable behaviour, else be labeled a racist.

To be fair their religion doesn't grant access to women just because they aren't dressing modestly. The same instructions that tell women to dress modestly also tell men to low their gaze before women and avoid being tempted by their looks. However, of course there is the troublesome issue of the permission to have sexual female slaves in some parts of Islamic scripture, as long as they were captured as non-Muslims and in a context of war IIRC.
 
There was this old story of 2003-2004 where a teenage girl from northwest england was groomed by 2 guys of a kebab, she disappeared and there was rumors that the 2 guys " raped here, killed here and made kebab meat of here body ". It was a very popular and frightening topic back in the days, weirdly they bot got released, and there was huge controversises about this, because a freelance detective made some illegal stuffs or what not.
 

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