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    Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507

    csv files downloaded from y-str.org's google drive:

    Code:
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    36.52762379 RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany
    38.37352603 RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years
    39.31965412 RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years
    41.97391928 RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    43.15351898 RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years
    44.65242995 RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
    46.38484882 RISE391_Tanabergen_II_Kazakhstan_3612_years

    Same distances as above in plain text
    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    25.37506650 RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years
    25.96165442 RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
    27.00923916 RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    28.46466582 RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years
    29.09897421 RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years
    30.16290934 RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary
    30.59502737 RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years
    31.02612125 RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years
    31.90839545 RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years
    32.12853093 RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years
    32.17603145 RISE559_Augsburg_Germany
    33.33426915 RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany
    33.35955186 RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years
    33.84528623 RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years
    34.24732836 RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years
    34.71115383 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary
    35.18721927 RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years
    36.32083424 RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years
    36.52762379 RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany
    38.37352603 RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years
    39.31965412 RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years
    41.97391928 RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    43.15351898 RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years
    44.65242995 RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
    46.38484882 RISE391_Tanabergen_II_Kazakhstan_3612_years
    Target: PalermoTrapani
    Distance: 7.6018% / 7.60180664 | ADC: 0.5x
    42.2 RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years
    32.6 RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years
    25.2 RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years



    Target: PalermoTrapani
    Distance: 6.9708% / 6.97076848 | ADC: 0.25x
    45.4 RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years
    38.4 RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years
    16.2 RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years
    Last edited by Palermo Trapani; 22-03-20 at 18:17. Reason: To make Distance results clearer with plain text

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    Mine

    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè

    14.53850405 RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    16.06446389 RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years
    17.00768062 RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary
    18.18638502 RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years
    19.13593740 RISE559_Augsburg_Germany
    21.27950892 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary
    21.64448660 RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany
    22.32817950 RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years
    23.27568259 RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany
    23.79411062 RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years
    25.95247002 RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years
    25.97861813 RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years
    26.31253124 RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years
    27.62139026 RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
    30.60950343 RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years
    30.83596115 RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years
    31.36453730 RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years
    31.71503114 RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
    32.29281654 RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    33.20431297 RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years
    33.25275628 RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years
    33.44666052 RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years
    34.02340224 RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years
    34.18752697 RISE71_Falshoj_Denmark_3701_years
    34.90507126 RISE61_Kyndelose_Denmark_4071_years


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    Mine:
    Distance to: Angela
    14.91075786 RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    17.85647782 RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years
    18.02549306 RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years
    18.54765753 RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years
    18.88581478 RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary
    19.59409605 RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany
    21.25674716 RISE559_Augsburg_Germany
    22.69622215 RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years
    24.01657136 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary
    24.16844637 RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years
    24.90248984 RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany
    25.16962852 RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years
    30.86257442 RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years
    31.07722478 RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years
    31.93837817 RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
    32.14552224 RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    33.04597101 RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years
    33.26787189 RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years
    35.52975091 RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
    36.42877983 RISE489_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4185_years
    36.91294217 RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years
    37.26521300 RISE560_Augsburg_Germany
    37.43568351 RISE21_Karlstrup_Denmark_3092_years
    37.57242207 RISE586_Moravska_Nova_Ves_Czech_Republic
    38.09666652 RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years

    Target: Angela
    Distance: 2.9786% / 2.97856326 | ADC: 0.25x
    42.0 RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years
    29.6 RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    15.8 RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
    12.6 RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years



    Target: Angela
    Distance: 1.2343% / 1.23429707
    31.0 RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years
    23.8 RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years
    16.4 RISE487_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4557_years
    14.2 RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years
    8.2 RISE489_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4185_years
    4.2 RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years
    2.2 RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years


    Remedello jumps to the top in the "mixing", although the individual match isn't great because it's got the most EEF.


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    All of the samples at Vahaduo, plus all the recents ones provided by Jovialis.

    I'm surprised how close I am, relatively speaking, to Balkans Neolithic and Early Bronze Age Sicily, Germany BB too. By the time the Late Bronze Age rolls around I'm very far from the Sicilian samples. As I've always thought, the migration from the East, much of it by way of Greece perhaps, was already present from the late Bronze Age.

    Distance to: Angela
    5.88072274 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    6.32650773 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    6.32865705 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    6.44030279 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    6.46676117 Szolad43
    6.53661992 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.03668956 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    7.04472143 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    7.09619616 I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
    7.14881808 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    7.44927513 I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
    7.88178279 Collegno36
    8.15250268 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
    8.36475343 Szolad28
    8.77719773 Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
    8.92554760 R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    8.94997207 Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
    9.15645128 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
    9.17988562 Szolad31
    9.21016829 Collegno23
    9.30224167 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.30524583 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    9.47417543 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    9.47641282 R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
    9.54090667 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    9.59307563 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
    9.59990625 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    9.74779462 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    9.81179392 R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    9.81848257 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    10.12126968 I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge
    10.41360648 I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    10.41424025 Szolad36
    10.57665354 R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
    10.62623169 I0706_Balkans_Neolithic
    10.65957316 R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    10.77751827 R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    10.82190833 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    11.07102073 I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    11.25718437 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    11.46205915 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    11.48748885 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    12.03847582 Szolad19
    12.06772970 Bavaria_BB_II5524
    12.09009512 CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
    12.14752238 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
    12.37687360 I1295_Malak_Preslavets
    12.40415656 I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    12.44980321 I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP
    12.45045381 I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi

    Not bad...
    Target: Angela
    Distance: 1.0005% / 1.00045631 | ADC: 0.25x
    41.6 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    14.4 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    13.4 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.4 I0706_Balkans_Neolithic
    8.6 I3151_Trypillia
    7.6 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    1.8 I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
    1.2 R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
    1.0 I4936_n/a


    Target: Angela
    Distance: 1.8906% / 1.89061820 | ADC: 0.5x
    48.0 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    15.8 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    15.2 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    14.2 I0706_Balkans_Neolithic
    6.8 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507

    csv files downloaded from y-str.org's google drive:

    Code:
    RISE00_Sope_Estonia_~2000_years,10.49,0.15,0,0,31.63,56.79,0.94,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE1_Oblaczkowo_Poland_4117_years,9.53,2.23,0,0,20.52,67.27,0,0,0,0,0.46,0
    RISE109_Wojkowice_Poland_3544_years,3.35,0,0,0,31.56,65.09,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE139_Chociwell_Poland_3645_years,0.56,3.78,0,0,22.47,70.41,2.78,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years,0,0,9.67,0,9.93,66.99,0,0,0,0,13.42,0
    RISE150_Przeclawice_Poland_3469_years,13.55,0,0,0.5,33.51,50.2,0,0,0,0,1.75,0.5
    RISE154_Szczepankowice_Poland_3522_years,17.57,0,0,0,34.72,47.71,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE174_Oxie_7_Sweden_1521_years,8.8,0,0.53,0,35.15,55.15,0,0,0,0,0,0.37
    RISE175_Abekas_I_Sweden_3025_years,0,0,0,0,44.56,55.44,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE179_Abekas_I_Sweden_3556_years,4.21,0,0,0,40.42,55.37,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE207_Angamollan_Sweden_3130_years,0,0,0,0,34.31,62.47,0,0,0,0,0,3.22
    RISE21_Karlstrup_Denmark_3092_years,4.12,0,0,5.51,46.97,43.4,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years,10.3,0,0,0,40.72,43.49,0,0,0,0,5.5,0
    RISE240_Sukhaya_Termista_I_Russia_4160_years,26.6,1.31,0,0,7.93,64.16,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years,0,0,0.19,0,52.39,27.43,0,0,2.61,0,17.38,0
    RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years,4.81,0,0.49,0,48.4,32.01,0,0,2.98,1.42,9.88,0
    RISE276_Trundholm_mose_II_2525_years,4.46,0,0,0,36.93,57.3,0,0,0,0,1.32,0
    RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years,0,0,3.61,0,41.84,33.6,2.82,0,0,0,17.77,0.36
    RISE371_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3653_years,0,0,0,0,44.88,53.78,0,1.34,0,0,0,0
    RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years,0,0,0,0.21,49.26,37.31,0,0,0,0,13.22,0
    RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years,0,0,0,0,39.96,34.85,0.68,0,1.95,0,20.5,2.06
    RISE386_Bulanovo_Russia_3775_years,15.34,0.38,0,0,24.56,55.73,0,0,0,0,3.31,0.68
    RISE391_Tanabergen_II_Kazakhstan_3612_years,21.58,0,1.04,0,23.99,46.8,0,0,0,0,6.6,0
    RISE392_Stepnoe_VII_Russia_3626_years,12.29,0,0.39,0,30.03,57.18,0,0,0,0,0,0.11
    RISE394_Bulanovo_Russia_3532_years,16.36,0,0,0,26.29,56.64,0,0,0,0,0.71,0
    RISE395_Bol'shekaraganskii_Russia_3540_years,14.51,0,0,0,30.54,54.26,0,0,0,0,0.16,0.52
    RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years,21.01,0,0,0,6.81,25.6,0,0,9.62,0,36.97,0
    RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years,21.25,0,0,0,16.48,23.51,0,0,1.62,0,37.13,0.01
    RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years,28.33,0,0.69,0,12.13,23.78,0,0,2.51,0,31.83,0.73
    RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years,28.13,0,0,0,11.37,26.95,0.37,0,1.23,0,31.94,0
    RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years,11.73,0,0,0,5.19,21.74,0,0,6.78,0,54.57,0
    RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years,24.72,0,2.77,0,18.39,20.9,0,3.74,6.87,0,22.6,0
    RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years,34.36,0,0,0,31.72,15.75,0,0,0,0,18.17,0
    RISE42_Marbjerg_Denmark_3681_years,0,0,0,5.68,30.09,64.23,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years,22.08,0,1.29,1.34,9.55,23.37,0,0,7.32,0,33.39,1.67
    RISE431_Leki_Male_Poland_3762_years,0.12,0,0,0,35.39,58.83,0,0,0,0,5.67,0
    RISE434_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4161_years,15.93,0,0,0,23.21,60.04,0,0,0,0,0,0.82
    RISE435_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4094_years,1.49,0,0,0,21.13,68.03,0,0,0,0,9.36,0
    RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years,4.85,0,0,0,33.39,44.75,0,0.03,0,3.08,12.21,1.7
    RISE446_Bergrheinfeld_Germany_4015_years,10.44,0,0,0,25.54,64.02,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE47_Sebber_skole_Denmark_3153_years,4.99,0,0,0,37.63,55.78,0,0,0,0,1.6,0
    RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany,2.99,0,0,0,48.42,32.55,0,0,0,0,16.04,0
    RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years,0,0,0.27,0,39.21,60.52,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary,0,0,0,0,41.41,35.75,0,0,3.16,0,19.46,0.22
    RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary,0,0,0,0,40.97,40.03,0,0,2.86,0,16.15,0
    RISE484_Erd_4_Hungary,2.51,0,0,0,50.99,45.13,0,0,0.92,0,0.45,0
    RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years,0,0,0.97,2.12,59.48,10.97,0,0,9.02,0,15.53,1.91
    RISE487_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4557_years,0,0,1.36,0,75.55,12.12,0,0,0.84,0,9.88,0.24
    RISE489_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4185_years,0,0,0,0,72.08,12.24,0,0,5.69,0,9.99,0
    RISE492_Sabinka_2_Russia_2257_years,9.76,12.06,0,10.5,20.6,47.08,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE493_Sabinka_2_Russia_3214_years,13.47,28.51,0,0,7.07,37.85,2.69,0,0,9.09,0.12,1.2
    RISE494_Sabinka_2_Russia_3081_years,21.35,1.64,0,0,22.77,54.16,0,0,0.01,0,0,0.07
    RISE495_Arban_1_Russia,12.99,29.11,0,0,6.27,37.55,0.92,0,0,12.94,0,0.22
    RISE496_Arban_1_3070_years,17.38,15.68,0,0,13.51,50.77,0,0,0,2.18,0,0.48
    RISE497_Arban_1_~2000_years,5.25,57.54,0,0,0,7.25,0.67,0,0,28.7,0,0.59
    RISE499_Bystrovka_Russia_~2000_years,17.6,11.54,0,0,17.81,51.66,0,0,0,1.03,0,0.36
    RISE500_Kytmanovo_Russia_~2000_years,14.67,0.33,0,0.35,22.75,57.51,0.79,0,0,0,3.21,0.38
    RISE502_Bystrovka_Russia_3140_years,17.68,18.85,0,0,8.64,46.71,2.18,0.08,0,5.83,0,0.03
    RISE503_Kytmanovo_Russia_3328_years,18.12,0,0,0,28.78,52.95,0,0,0,0,0,0.14
    RISE504_Kytmanovo_Russia_1208_years,9.42,34.33,0,2.38,2.11,21.36,0,0,0,27.69,2.65,0.06
    RISE505_Kytmanovo_Russia_3391_years,19.18,2.59,0,0,19.27,54.74,1.62,0,0,0,2.07,0.52
    RISE507/8_River_Kuyum_Russia_4423_years,25.75,0,0,0,12.07,61.65,0,0,0,0.18,0,0.34
    RISE509_Bateni_Russia_4186_years,27.1,0.32,0,0.14,6.17,65.35,0,0,0,0,0.8,0.12
    RISE510_Bateni_Russia_4040_years,22.88,0.7,0,0,7.18,63.21,0,0.37,0,0,5.66,0
    RISE511_Bateni_Russia_4224_years,26.06,2.96,0,0,2.56,66.87,0,0,0,0,1.12,0.43
    RISE512_Kytmanovo_Russia_3119_years,14.62,10.04,0,4.29,8.31,62.54,0,0,0,0,0,0.21
    RISE515_Verkhni_Askiz_Village_Russia_3810_years,19.31,27.49,0,0,3.28,43.5,0,0,0,6.42,0,0
    RISE516_Verkhni_Askiz_Village_Russia_3725_years,14.53,33.15,0,0,0,42.19,2.43,0.1,0,7.6,0,0
    RISE523_Kapova_cave_Russia_3192_years,15.74,10.93,0,0,19.09,52.94,0.91,0,0,0,0,0.39
    RISE524_Kapova_cave_Russia_~2000_years,6.2,16.45,0,0,27,45.1,0,0,2.13,2.09,0,1.03
    RISE525_Kapova_cave_Russia,10.25,19.91,0.5,0,14.5,51.93,0,0,0,2.64,0,0.27
    RISE546_Temrta_IV_Russia_~2000_years,22.07,0,0,0,0,70.45,0,0,0,0,7.49,0
    RISE547_Temrta_IV_Russia_4175_years,26.54,0,0,0,10.09,63.38,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE548_Temrta_IV_Russia_~2000_years,27.76,0,0.93,0,3.91,65.86,0,0,0,0,1.35,0.19
    RISE550_Peshany_V_Russia_4312_years,23.64,0.86,0,0,9.61,64.98,0.74,0,0,0,0,0.17
    RISE552_Ulan_IV_Russia_3940_years,30.94,1.6,0,0.01,2.06,61.11,0.39,0,0,0,3.1,0.78
    RISE553_Afontova_Gora_Russia_2731_years,8.7,6.44,0,0,22.08,49.77,0,0,0,7.85,5.16,0
    RISE554_Afontova_Gora_Russia_2782_years,3.5,49.91,0,1.04,2.74,28.28,0,0,0,14.54,0,0
    RISE555_Stalingard_Quarry_Russia_4082_years,25.27,0,2.15,0,7.91,64.67,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE559_Augsburg_Germany,5.7,0,0,0,40.1,37.15,0,0,0.19,0,16.87,0
    RISE560_Augsburg_Germany,15.69,0,0,0,42.42,41.88,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE562_Landau_an_der_Isar_Germany,19.88,0,0,0.22,34.62,45.28,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE563_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany,6.22,0,0,0,31.7,57.28,0.74,0.75,0,0.02,3.29,0
    RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany,0,0,0,0,42.81,40.34,0,0,0,0,15.97,0.88
    RISE566_Knezeves_Czech_Republic,4.28,0,0,0,38.81,56.91,0,0,0,0,0,0
    RISE567_Knezeves_Czech_Republic,10.74,0,0,0,17.83,66.34,0,0,0,0,5.1,0
    RISE568¬_Brandysek_Czech_Republic,0,0,0,0,22.05,72.67,0,0,0,0,5.28,0
    RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_~2000_years,1.84,0,0.54,0,32.28,57.63,0,0,0.38,0,7.29,0.05
    RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years,8.22,0,0,0,37.41,47.46,0,0.03,0,0,6.6,0.28
    RISE586_Moravska_Nova_Ves_Czech_Republic,5.1,0,0,0,47.08,45.72,0,0,0,0,1.5,0.61
    RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro,0,0,0,0,42.76,31.92,0,0,4.11,0,21.2,0
    RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro,13.18,0,0,1.56,44.91,30.81,0,0.51,0,8.66,0.37,0
    RISE598_Turlojiske_Lithuania_2590_years,0,1.29,0,5.75,6.65,76.06,0,0,8.78,0,1.47,0
    RISE600_Verh-Uimon_Russia,19.25,23.26,0,1.96,5.34,34.13,0,0,0,11.72,3.89,0.45
    RISE601_Verh-Uimon_Russia~2000_years,15.51,22.43,0.63,0,6.8,34.77,0.33,0,0,18.83,0.35,0.36
    RISE602_Sary-Bel_Russia_~2000_years,19.15,22.99,0,0,3.05,37.05,1.3,0,0,10.75,5.09,0.62
    RISE61_Kyndelose_Denmark_4071_years,7.42,0,0,0,38.76,48.91,0,0,0,0,3.34,1.57
    RISE71_Falshoj_Denmark_3701_years,6.7,0,1.89,0,34.77,50.7,0,0,0.16,0,5.78,0
    RISE94_Viby_Sweden_4025_years,14.87,0,0,0,30.51,52.6,0.29,0,0,0,1.49,0.24
    RISE97_Fredriksberg_Sweden_3590_years,5.12,0,0,0,39.72,54.22,0,0,0.94,0,0,0
    RISE98_L_Beddinge_56_Sweden_3736_years,10.01,0,0,0,34.38,54.13,0.7,0,0,0,0.01,0.76
    Thanks Jovialis. My results with source data above:




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    Here are my results with all samples for Dodecad K12b Ancient, to date:

    Distance to: Jovialis
    3.02061252 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    3.28542235 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    3.34644588 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.41667967 CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
    3.43008746 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    3.70737104 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    3.83489244 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    3.85554147 Collegno121
    4.06829202 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.18988067 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    4.49402937 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.91924791 R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    4.94132573 R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    4.96690044 R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.28137293 R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.77595879 R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    6.07903775 R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    6.10611169 R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.12550406 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    6.31027733 R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    6.31831465 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.32038765 R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    6.33613447 R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.55681325 R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    6.83668048 R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna






    Target: Jovialis
    Distance: 0.3729% / 0.37294830 | ADC: 0.25x
    30.8 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    21.2 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    19.6 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    19.0 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    9.4 CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53

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    Here are my results with all samples, sans post-Iron Age Roman, Crusader, Collegno, and Szolad samples:

    Distance to: Jovialis
    7.16297424 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    7.54746315 R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    9.30852835 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    9.40424372 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    10.01049949 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
    11.09522420 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
    11.65650033 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    13.15944908 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    13.23106950 I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
    14.30092305 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    14.42027739 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    14.50908681 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    14.54204937 R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
    14.73361802 I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    14.80892636 I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    15.44085814 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    15.67710432 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    15.93528475 I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    15.98208372 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.04018080 Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
    16.07932213 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    16.14707094 I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    16.24442366 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    16.46734344 I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus
    16.47135089 I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


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    my results using all the samples ancients , medieval etc

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    1.89726118 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.40054542 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
    4.63928874 R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    4.65249395 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    4.82277928 Collegno23
    4.86300319 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.02880702 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
    5.21492090 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    6.00532264 Szolad28
    6.60955369 Collegno49
    6.88000000 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    6.93799683 Collegno94
    7.28685117 R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.57478052 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    7.62312272 Collegno57
    7.70831369 Collegno36
    7.72828571 Collegno47
    7.79092421 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
    7.88022842 R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.89459942 Bavaria_BB_II5524
    7.93197958 Szolad45
    8.04563857 R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.04795626 I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    8.04854024 Szolad43
    8.12515231 Szolad27


    I added all the recent ones as well

    1.89 distant match with sample R55 seems very close

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    I am regular also with the updates so I remain faithful to my Lombard Szolad/Collegno fellows and to the unmistakable late Romans and Balkan metal age samples ;)

    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    3.43011662 Szolad31
    3.44400929 Szolad36
    3.71212877 Collegno36
    4.21513938 Szolad43
    4.68264882 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    4.83184230 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    4.97630385 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.34300477 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    5.55229682 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    5.57919349 Szolad37
    5.58678799 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    5.87326144 Collegno23
    6.25171976 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.43351381 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
    6.77911499 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
    7.07541518 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
    7.29406608 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    7.43797688 Szolad28
    7.65708169 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.93996222 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    7.97270970 Szolad1
    8.40716956 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    8.74874848 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.04734768 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.15007104 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    9.37029882 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    9.42395352 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    9.51321712 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    9.58711114 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    9.70952625 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    9.96859067 Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
    10.04569560 R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    10.11300153 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
    10.11412873 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    10.18781625 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    10.25222903 I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
    10.43630203 Collegno49
    10.57439360 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    10.68148866 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    10.76639680 R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    10.84505417 I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    10.94799068 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    11.14185353 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
    11.29806621 I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    11.50976107 I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
    11.59419251 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
    11.79700810 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    11.81108378 R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    11.83593258 CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
    11.86711001 IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498

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    my results for only BC time sample ..............hope i got rid of the others

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    4.40054542 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
    4.65249395 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    4.86300319 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    5.02880702 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
    6.88000000 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    7.57478052 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    7.79092421 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
    7.89459942 Bavaria_BB_II5524
    8.04795626 I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
    8.37730267 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    8.58770051 I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
    8.87062568 NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120
    9.21592643 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851
    9.46845288 I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    9.73437723 I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    10.40285057 I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    10.41393778 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    10.55301379 NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72
    10.91660662 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    10.96332066 I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    11.19849097 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    11.38562690 GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895
    11.41299698 I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    11.41299698 SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
    11.55023376 Roman-SoldierFN_2

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    All samples produced by Eupedia Team:
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    Stuvane: Same here, all ancient samples. I stopped at the Sicilian_Bell Beaker, don't wont to leave out my ancient cannoli and arancini friend. R52 and R56 have always had the top 2 spots in every run.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    2.76190152 R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.81037364 R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.27177322 R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    3.34701359 R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    3.84983117 R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    4.10471680 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    4.16370028 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.18976133 R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    4.32090268 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    4.40341913 Szolad40
    4.54783465 R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    4.57668002 R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    4.82952379 R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.83867751 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.03103369 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    5.08341421 Collegno121
    5.30245226 R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    5.32897739 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.43089311 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    5.46635162 R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.50746766 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    5.68175149 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    5.70777540 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    5.90403252 R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    6.04601522 R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    6.17554046 R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.46672251 R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    6.74800711 R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    6.76732591 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.77646663 R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.20115963 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    7.28579440 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.55757898 CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
    7.62057741 R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    8.11539894 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    8.21912404 R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    8.33180653 R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    8.41816488 I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
    8.85745449 R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    9.01662354 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.08190509 Collegno25
    9.08267582 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    9.08880080 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    9.26807963 R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    9.27144541 Collegno110
    9.42151262 R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
    9.64398258 Szolad19
    9.72580588 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    9.79056178 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    9.94731119 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.97097789 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    10.00080497 R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    10.29666451 Szolad36
    10.36353704 R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    10.71806886 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    11.38594748 Szolad31
    11.49942172 R133__Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    11.55112549 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    11.56716473 R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    11.63612049 R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    11.71591652 Collegno38
    11.85023628 Collegno30
    12.16258607 Szolad37
    12.24358199 I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus
    12.28268293 R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    12.32164762 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    12.32797226 R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    12.33247745 R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    12.46343452 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    12.64327489 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
    12.75264286 R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
    12.77108844 R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    12.80481941 Collegno36
    12.80763444 R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    12.84361320 I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    12.87494078 R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    12.99809217 I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    13.14625422 R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    13.23641568 R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
    13.25961161 R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    13.54447120 R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    13.54778949 R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    13.59141273 ASH068_Iron_Age1
    13.62262456 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    13.63247226 R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    13.67620927 Szolad43
    13.67693314 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    13.91724470 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    13.96867209 I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    14.00911489 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    14.24994035 R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    14.38200612 I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    14.52848581 R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    14.86477380 I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    15.05615821 Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
    15.21495974 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    15.61245336 I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
    15.76962587 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
    15.81303260 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    16.29658246 I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    16.42560501 I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.42978089 ANI159_ANI181_Varna
    16.54641653 R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    16.60320451 Szolad1
    16.70511000 Collegno23
    16.83746418 I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
    17.04939588 I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi
    17.08555823 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    17.09368012 CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
    17.27937210 R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    17.34458129 I1706_AG98_2_Early_Bronze_Age
    17.40331865 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    17.51228997 R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    17.59496235 I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
    17.61388089 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
    17.63311657 R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    17.63358160 R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    17.71219919 I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
    17.78634308 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
    17.85565737 Kumtepe004_Anatolian
    17.87940435 I0679_Krepost_Neolithic
    18.01735552 I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic
    18.04210354 I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    18.20627639 Kumtepe006_Anatolian
    18.25766688 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    18.28067559 Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
    18.28574035 I2424_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    18.29202285 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    18.29629197 I2427_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    18.31004369 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    18.31167114 MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425
    18.36492853 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    18.39318352 I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.41013036 ASH067_Iron_Age1
    18.57208389 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581
    18.67874996 I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    18.67918628 Szolad35
    18.70885619 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    18.80224189 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    18.86455406 I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.86455406 SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
    18.88968766 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644
    18.89246675 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    18.91112900 I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.94445565 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
    19.22978939 Szolad28
    19.23503834 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
    19.24926232 HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497
    19.25356850 R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    19.32237563 I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    19.36787288 R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
    19.50048205 I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
    19.53551126 I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    19.55444962 I2430_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    19.60122955 IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
    19.65921667 I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
    19.79989646 I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
    19.88351076 Collegno31
    19.93611045 CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457
    19.98692823 I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
    19.99103549 I2431_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    20.02307669 I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    20.05352338 R70_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    20.11438789 I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    20.19769789 I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno
    20.29788659 I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    20.37579692 I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    20.58426341 Scythian_SCY311
    20.67843563 I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    20.69572178 I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
    20.69839849 I0706_Balkans_Neolithic
    20.72054536 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    20.72742628 I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    20.77792097 I4089_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    20.83430824 I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
    20.87168656 ANI152_Varna
    20.92535065 I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here are my results with all samples, sans post-Iron Age Roman, Crusader, Collegno, and Szolad samples:

    Distance to: Jovialis
    7.16297424 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    7.54746315 R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    9.30852835 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    9.40424372 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    10.01049949 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
    11.09522420 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
    11.65650033 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    13.15944908 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    13.23106950 I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
    14.30092305 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    14.42027739 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    14.50908681 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    14.54204937 R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
    14.73361802 I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    14.80892636 I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    15.44085814 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    15.67710432 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    15.93528475 I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    15.98208372 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.04018080 Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
    16.07932213 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    16.14707094 I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    16.24442366 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    16.46734344 I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus
    16.47135089 I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE

    thanks

    do you have this sample ERS256892 or any other ERS ancient sample ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks

    do you have this sample ERS256892 or any other ERS ancient sample ?
    I don't thinks so, but if you can point me to the ebi.ac.uk/ link, I can produce it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Stuvane: Same here, all ancient samples. I stopped at the Sicilian_Bell Beaker, don't wont to leave out my ancient cannoli and arancini friend. R52 and R56 have always had the top 2 spots in every run.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    2.76190152 R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.81037364 R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.27177322 R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    3.34701359 R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    3.84983117 R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    4.10471680 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    4.16370028 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.18976133 R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    4.32090268 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    4.40341913 Szolad40
    4.54783465 R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    4.57668002 R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    4.82952379 R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.83867751 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.03103369 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    5.08341421 Collegno121
    5.30245226 R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    5.32897739 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.43089311 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    5.46635162 R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    5.50746766 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    5.68175149 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    5.70777540 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    5.90403252 R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    6.04601522 R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    6.17554046 R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.46672251 R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    6.74800711 R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
    6.76732591 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    6.77646663 R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    7.20115963 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    7.28579440 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    7.55757898 CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
    7.62057741 R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    8.11539894 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    8.21912404 R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    8.33180653 R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    8.41816488 I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
    8.85745449 R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    9.01662354 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.08190509 Collegno25
    9.08267582 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    9.08880080 R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    9.26807963 R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    9.27144541 Collegno110
    9.42151262 R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
    9.64398258 Szolad19
    9.72580588 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    9.79056178 I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    9.94731119 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.97097789 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    10.00080497 R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    10.29666451 Szolad36
    10.36353704 R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    10.71806886 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    11.38594748 Szolad31
    11.49942172 R133__Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    11.55112549 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    11.56716473 R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    11.63612049 R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    11.71591652 Collegno38
    11.85023628 Collegno30
    12.16258607 Szolad37
    12.24358199 I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus
    12.28268293 R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    12.32164762 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    12.32797226 R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    12.33247745 R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    12.46343452 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    12.64327489 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
    12.75264286 R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
    12.77108844 R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    12.80481941 Collegno36
    12.80763444 R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    12.84361320 I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    12.87494078 R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    12.99809217 I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    13.14625422 R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    13.23641568 R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
    13.25961161 R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    13.54447120 R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    13.54778949 R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
    13.59141273 ASH068_Iron_Age1
    13.62262456 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    13.63247226 R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    13.67620927 Szolad43
    13.67693314 I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    13.91724470 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    13.96867209 I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    14.00911489 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    14.24994035 R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    14.38200612 I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    14.52848581 R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    14.86477380 I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
    15.05615821 Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
    15.21495974 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    15.61245336 I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
    15.76962587 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
    15.81303260 I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
    16.29658246 I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
    16.42560501 I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    16.42978089 ANI159_ANI181_Varna
    16.54641653 R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    16.60320451 Szolad1
    16.70511000 Collegno23
    16.83746418 I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
    17.04939588 I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi
    17.08555823 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    17.09368012 CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
    17.27937210 R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    17.34458129 I1706_AG98_2_Early_Bronze_Age
    17.40331865 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    17.51228997 R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    17.59496235 I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
    17.61388089 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
    17.63311657 R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    17.63358160 R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    17.71219919 I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
    17.78634308 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
    17.85565737 Kumtepe004_Anatolian
    17.87940435 I0679_Krepost_Neolithic
    18.01735552 I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic
    18.04210354 I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    18.20627639 Kumtepe006_Anatolian
    18.25766688 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    18.28067559 Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
    18.28574035 I2424_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    18.29202285 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    18.29629197 I2427_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    18.31004369 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    18.31167114 MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425
    18.36492853 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    18.39318352 I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.41013036 ASH067_Iron_Age1
    18.57208389 LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581
    18.67874996 I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
    18.67918628 Szolad35
    18.70885619 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    18.80224189 R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    18.86455406 I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.86455406 SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
    18.88968766 HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644
    18.89246675 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    18.91112900 I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    18.94445565 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
    19.22978939 Szolad28
    19.23503834 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
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    @Palermo Trapani

    I would not say nonsense, and I never know how methodologically correct it is to use so many samples from even distant ages (probably not). But when I see that in these oracles some samples or combinations are recalled with a certain recurrence (well characterized historically and geographically), it becomes legitimate to me to suppose that the autosomal of some regional realities (and of each of us) was formed and stabilized in precise epochs, according to demographic and population patterns, now linear, now more complex, but also according to different timelines. For some cases, these are presences and mixtures originating almost completely in the protohistoric age with little external contributions, in other cases the "cocktail" was shaken in the height of antiquity or even in the Middle Ages, fusing older substrates with more recent superstrates in a more significant way...


    However imperfect and with their limitations, since they work on rough statistics, these are tools that can provide interesting indications. If I remember correctly, the coordinates of a friend of mine (he's from a rather peripheral and isolated area of ​​northern Italy), once made to run here, returned very high similarities to archaic samples, leaving the much more recent samples far behind. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.
    In your case I see that the most representative are the samples from the imperial and late antiquity, you are perhaps "son" of the most mature age in Rome :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    @Palermo Trapani

    I would not say nonsense, and I never know how methodologically correct it is to use so many samples from even distant ages (probably not). But when I see that in these oracles some samples or combinations are recalled with a certain recurrence (well characterized historically and geographically), it becomes legitimate to me to suppose that the autosomal of some regional realities (and of each of us) was formed and stabilized in precise epochs, according to demographic and population patterns, now linear, now more complex, but also according to different timelines. For some cases, these are presences and mixtures originating almost completely in the protohistoric age with little external contributions, in other cases the "cocktail" was shaken in the height of antiquity or even in the Middle Ages, fusing older substrates with more recent superstrates in a more significant way...


    However imperfect and with their limitations, since they work on rough statistics, these are tools that can provide interesting indications. If I remember correctly, the coordinates of a friend of mine (he's from a rather peripheral and isolated area of ​​northern Italy), once made to run here, returned very high similarities to archaic samples, leaving the much more recent samples far behind. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.
    In your case I see that the most representative are the samples from the imperial and late antiquity, you are perhaps "son" of the most mature age in Rome :)
    When I run all of my RawData, R58 - R59 are closer to me than myself.

    ... I’m thinking Reincarnation :) lol





    ... or maybe the ancient samples quality.

    (logic can be boring)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    @Palermo Trapani

    I would not say nonsense, and I never know how methodologically correct it is to use so many samples from even distant ages (probably not). But when I see that in these oracles some samples or combinations are recalled with a certain recurrence (well characterized historically and geographically), it becomes legitimate to me to suppose that the autosomal of some regional realities (and of each of us) was formed and stabilized in precise epochs, according to demographic and population patterns, now linear, now more complex, but also according to different timelines. For some cases, these are presences and mixtures originating almost completely in the protohistoric age with little external contributions, in other cases the "cocktail" was shaken in the height of antiquity or even in the Middle Ages, fusing older substrates with more recent superstrates in a more significant way...


    However imperfect and with their limitations, since they work on rough statistics, these are tools that can provide interesting indications. If I remember correctly, the coordinates of a friend of mine (he's from a rather peripheral and isolated area of ​​northern Italy), once made to run here, returned very high similarities to archaic samples, leaving the much more recent samples far behind. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.
    In your case I see that the most representative are the samples from the imperial and late antiquity, you are perhaps "son" of the most mature age in Rome :)
    Stuvane: Hey thanks for the well thought out post. I have absolutely have no problem being a son of the most mature age of Rome! I too, like you and your friend, am amazed how much I seem to cluster, I guess is the best term I could use, with Imperial and Late Antiquity individual Romans more so than modern Italian populations from the Regions of Sicily, Campania, Abbruzzo, which I get distances of under 5 consistently. At some level when I did my DNA testing I my ex ante predictions were I would show clustering with Greeks more so, and I do show affinity with Greeks as well as on National Geographic my 2 closest modern Reference populations are Modern Italians (Tuscany is the reference population they use) and Modern Greeks (I am not sure where National Geographic got their Greek Reference population).

    Btw, I hope you and your family are doing well in Milan at this time. Stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    When I run all of my RawData, R58 - R59 are closer to me than myself.

    ... I’m thinking Reincarnation :) lol





    ... or maybe the ancient samples quality.

    (logic can be boring)

    Good one! Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Stuvane: Hey thanks for the well thought out post. I have absolutely have no problem being a son of the most mature age of Rome! I too, like you and your friend, am amazed how much I seem to cluster, I guess is the best term I could use, with Imperial and Late Antiquity individual Romans more so than modern Italian populations from the Regions of Sicily, Campania, Abbruzzo, which I get distances of under 5 consistently. At some level when I did my DNA testing I my ex ante predictions were I would show clustering with Greeks more so, and I do show affinity with Greeks as well as on National Geographic my 2 closest modern Reference populations are Modern Italians (Tuscany is the reference population they use) and Modern Greeks (I am not sure where National Geographic got their Greek Reference population).

    Btw, I hope you and your family are doing well in Milan at this time. Stay safe.
    @ Salento: lol ... ahaha you conduct anthrogenic research directly with the time machine and/or spirit sessions :)))


    @ Palermo Trapani: thanks, we're fine here, locked in the house (for now!). I hope the same for you. Keep it up! :)


    What you say is very interesting. Perhaps in the past few decades a certain somewhat scholastic and approximate historical disclosure made the southern Italians "Greeks" in all respects, while the latest research seems to me to make us understand that reality is a little more intricate and complex. Perhaps at the outset a genetic composition already existed in the South which could already be very similar to that one of the archaic Greeks, but which arose locally. Certainly the "Greek" component properly called in the classical age was important and decisive along the coastal areas, but in the hinterland other peoples gravitated, and a local "Italic" element (pre-Roman or Roman) in their composition must however be considered, in a non-secondary way and was never undone.
    After that, we can roughly hold the results of Moots' recent paper on the genetic composition of Rome in the last millennia which sees the main part of the late ancient Romans rather shifted towards Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. I believe that in the South this "late antiquity" picture persisted even in the early Middle Ages for at least 3-4 centuries especially between Sicily and Calabria, and from there it has not moved much, as if some "open tap" had been maintained with Greece and with the Levant: the fugitives from mainland Greece due to the sixth century Slavic invasions, as described in the "Chronicle of Monemvasia", other arrivals of Greeks or Greek-Syrians from the Levant with the advent and Islamic expansion against the Byzantine empire, the iconoclastic crisis ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    @ Salento: lol ... ahaha you conduct anthrogenic research directly with the time machine and/or spirit sessions :)))


    @ Palermo Trapani: thanks, we're fine here, locked in the house (for now!). I hope the same for you. Keep it up! :)


    What you say is very interesting. Perhaps in the past few decades a certain somewhat scholastic and approximate historical disclosure made the southern Italians "Greeks" in all respects, while the latest research seems to me to make us understand that reality is a little more intricate and complex. Perhaps at the outset a genetic composition already existed in the South which could already be very similar to that one of the archaic Greeks, but which arose locally. Certainly the "Greek" component properly called in the classical age was important and decisive along the coastal areas, but in the hinterland other peoples gravitated, and a local "Italic" element (pre-Roman or Roman) in their composition must however be considered, in a non-secondary way and was never undone.
    After that, we can roughly hold the results of Moots' recent paper on the genetic composition of Rome in the last millennia which sees the main part of the late ancient Romans rather shifted towards Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. I believe that in the South this "late antiquity" picture persisted even in the early Middle Ages for at least 3-4 centuries especially between Sicily and Calabria, and from there it has not moved much, as if some "open tap" had been maintained with Greece and with the Levant: the fugitives from mainland Greece due to the sixth century Slavic invasions, as described in the "Chronicle of Monemvasia", other arrivals of Greeks or Greek-Syrians from the Levant with the advent and Islamic expansion against the Byzantine empire, the iconoclastic crisis ...
    If the Moots paper taught us anything, it's that the "change" in the area of Rome started taking place in the time of the Republic, and was pretty complete by the Imperial Era. After that, in Late Antiquity to the Medieval period, the "tail to the Levant" disappeared.

    Whether that wasn't the case in the South is something which must wait for ancient dna from the South ranging from the Neolithic to the present day, and including the Medieval period during which the Muslims dominated Sicily for over two hundred years.

    I can say that my husband, whose account I manage, is mostly Calabrian (three-quarters). He is extremely close to many of the Imperial Era "Romans" found in the Moots sample, but not to the ones who place in the Levant. So, there's no evidence of any "open tap" which has continued to affect his genetics beyond that time, and his ancestry is from Reggio Calabria, so Sikeliot's musings about this supposed huge movement of Sicilians to Calabria certainly didn't affect him. (Fwiw, to my knowledge most of the migration was in the opposite direction, as when Calabrians went in to settle in Messina after it was destroyed in the earthquake.)

    Big changes in genomic structure come from folk migrations, not a few thousand refugees.

    Even the Longobardi, who did arrive as a folk migration, didn't make a huge dent in Italy. All one has to do is look at the ydna.

    I know of no evidence whatsoever for the movement of such large numbers of Greeks, either from the mainland or "Syria", that they could change the genetic composition of Southern Italians.

    These are the musings of people like Sikeliot, whatever name he goes by currently here, and maybe that racist mad man from Lombardia, but it's not science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    @ Salento: lol ... ahaha you conduct anthrogenic research directly with the time machine and/or spirit sessions :)))


    @ Palermo Trapani: thanks, we're fine here, locked in the house (for now!). I hope the same for you. Keep it up! :)


    What you say is very interesting. Perhaps in the past few decades a certain somewhat scholastic and approximate historical disclosure made the southern Italians "Greeks" in all respects, while the latest research seems to me to make us understand that reality is a little more intricate and complex. Perhaps at the outset a genetic composition already existed in the South which could already be very similar to that one of the archaic Greeks, but which arose locally. Certainly the "Greek" component properly called in the classical age was important and decisive along the coastal areas, but in the hinterland other peoples gravitated, and a local "Italic" element (pre-Roman or Roman) in their composition must however be considered, in a non-secondary way and was never undone.
    After that, we can roughly hold the results of Moots' recent paper on the genetic composition of Rome in the last millennia which sees the main part of the late ancient Romans rather shifted towards Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. I believe that in the South this "late antiquity" picture persisted even in the early Middle Ages for at least 3-4 centuries especially between Sicily and Calabria, and from there it has not moved much, as if some "open tap" had been maintained with Greece and with the Levant: the fugitives from mainland Greece due to the sixth century Slavic invasions, as described in the "Chronicle of Monemvasia", other arrivals of Greeks or Greek-Syrians from the Levant with the advent and Islamic expansion against the Byzantine empire, the iconoclastic crisis ...
    I think the Greek ancestry is there in Sicily as the rest of the South, but I think the Greeks and many Italians seem to share many of the same Source populations, significant EEF, and what else? maybe CHG and Iran Neolithic, but there does seem to be this ancient Italic ancestry that was in Sicily even before the Greeks and Romans got there. Nobody disputes the Sicels were from the mainland of Southern Italy closely related to the Oenotrians. The Elymi, appear to me to be more and more related to the Ligures. The Sicani still not sure but this recent paper indicating the Steppe ancestry that reached Sicily early on seems to have come from Iberia might suggest the Sicani were Iberians as some of the ancient historians claimed. Other Italic Tribes that were in Sicily include the Ausonians and Mamertini who were from Campania and Morgete from Calabria, who were related to the Sicels. So yes the Pheonicians set up sea ports in the West, did not colonize, and the Greeks colonized all the way to Segesta and Selinunte in Trapani. So when the Romans get there in late 3rd century BC and Sicily is part of the Roman empire till 5th century, the DNA of Sicily seems to be in place. After fall of Western Empire, Sicily is then under the Eastern Roman Empire to the Saracen invasion which was followed by the Normans who brought in mainland Roman Catholic Priests to staff all the closed Churches and many of these Priests Parents and siblings must came in as well. Seems like they came from Rome, maybe Tuscany, some maybe from Genoa and Milan maybe. So despite some changes here and there, the genetic continuity seems to have been relatively stable over the last 3 millennia. As to who this Sikeliot fellow Angela talks about, I have heard about him and some of his posts are still archived here. He does seem to have an axe to grind with Sicilians and Southern Italians with his Levant hypothesis being the dominate Source DNA. I just don't think that is true. Some Levant admixture, yes, going back to Pheonicians and re-entering during Saracen invasion but every study I read puts the Levant/North-African Phoenician admixture in the 4-5% range.

    No doubt there were Greek Orthodox fleeing Islamic invasions from both Greece, Constantinople and Albania starting in the 14th century and up to the 15th century. I have noted this before, but on my maternal side, one of the my Great Grandparents was baptized in an Eastern Rite Catholic Church in Sicily, Byzantine Catholic church in communion with Rome. By Byzantine I am referring to the Liturgical Tradition of of the Church, not getting into Greek vs. Albanian rivals, which in my case, when I run Dodecad 12b updated, they both show up in my like top 25 modern distances.

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